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Mar 03 04:49:01 <dustin> Hello everyone
Mar 03 04:49:42 <dustin> Is there anyone around that might be able to help me with a problem?
Mar 03 05:07:46 <GrueMaster> Depends on the problem.  There are a few awake, others will be waking shortly.
Mar 03 06:42:08 <dustin> Last night I installed used https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall to install 10.10 on a 4GB microSD. However when I try to boot the BeagleBoard it gets to "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel." and then halts for a while after which it reboots. Do you have any idea what might be going on?
Mar 03 07:09:51 <GrueMaster> dustin: This is normal.  The images are designed for a system with a monitor.  The first time you boot, a script in the initramfs expands the root partition to fill the empty space on the SD card, then reboots.  The second boot will start X with oem-config so you can configure the language, timezone, and user info.
Mar 03 07:10:52 <GrueMaster> If you are looking for an image that doesn't require a monitor, we should have a minimal image that can be configured via serial port when we release natty.  Stay tuned.
Mar 03 07:11:06 <GrueMaster> Or use rootstock to create one.
Mar 03 07:11:23 <dustin> np, I can attach a monitor for now. Thanks!
Mar 03 07:11:39 <GrueMaster> You will also need a keyboard & mouse.
Mar 03 07:12:39 <dustin> makes sense
Mar 03 07:12:55 <dustin> I have everything for that configuration, just not at my house
Mar 03 07:13:02 <dustin> Quick question
Mar 03 07:13:34 <GrueMaster> Real quick.  It is bedtime for me.  :P
Mar 03 07:14:07 <dustin> Will it still require the monitor/mouse/keyboard after it's setup? I would like to run it headless once it's setup.
Mar 03 07:16:52 <GrueMaster> Unfortunately yes, but you can make some tweaks to make it headless.  After you go through oem-config and return to gdm, you can log in and install openssh-server so you can ssh into it.  You can also create a serial login by making a /etc/init/ttyO2.conf file (may be ttyS2 for maverick).  Use one of the existing tty.conf files as a guide.
Mar 03 07:17:44 <dustin> great, thanks again. Have a good one.
Mar 03 10:22:05 <ogra_> NCommander, hey ... i adjusted Bug #727468 a bit, dont set bugs to high if they dont affect all arches (i have been slapped for that by the bugteam in the past)
Mar 03 10:22:06 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 727468 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "ubiquity-slideshow tears down oem-config on armel" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727468
Mar 03 10:22:58 <ogra_> err
Mar 03 10:23:03 <NCommander> ogra_: Critical
Mar 03 10:23:06 <ogra_> dont set them to critical
Mar 03 10:23:09 <ogra_> yeah
Mar 03 10:23:11 <NCommander> and I didn't, it was already critical when I got there
Mar 03 10:23:16 <ogra_> ah
Mar 03 10:23:17 <NCommander> I just made the other bit match
Mar 03 10:23:22 <ogra_> must have been tobin then
Mar 03 10:23:29 <ogra_> yeah, thanks for that
Mar 03 10:23:45 <NCommander> ogra_: yeah, the work around works, GrueMaster tested it before he went to sleep
Mar 03 10:23:50 <ogra_> i added the slideshow to the loop, though its probably disputable to just add webkit directly
Mar 03 10:23:58 * NCommander is "enjoying" insonima
Mar 03 10:24:07 <ogra_> NCommander, yup, i saw that in the backlog
Mar 03 10:24:18 <ogra_> NCommander, awesome work of you two tonight !!!
Mar 03 10:24:46 <NCommander> ogra_: its been known to happen ;-)
Mar 03 10:24:46 <ogra_> thanks for taking over the last (but most important) bit of that
Mar 03 10:25:04 <NCommander> ogra_: I'm just happy we didn't need to keep you up to sponsor + do respins
Mar 03 10:25:08 <ogra_> i hope ricardo has a magic idea for webkit now ;)
Mar 03 10:25:15 * NCommander cheers
Mar 03 10:25:19 <NCommander> I don't get the sucky bug for once!
Mar 03 10:25:31 <ogra_> he picked it faster :P
Mar 03 10:25:41 <NCommander> (and I probably doomed myself for o-cycle ...)
Mar 03 10:25:46 <ogra_> probably not knowing what he got himself into
Mar 03 10:25:50 <XorA> morning
Mar 03 10:26:00 <NCommander> ogra_: I feel like now would be a great time to suddenly go on vacation
Mar 03 10:26:50 <ogra_> wrong ... now would be the time to get a quad core, 4G, SATA ARM board ;)
Mar 03 10:27:33 <hrw> ;D
Mar 03 10:28:42 <NCommander> ogra_: pfft. webkit can not be as bad as openoffice.org
Mar 03 10:29:35 <ogra_> no, its more in the area of QT :)
Mar 03 10:30:11 <NCommander> ogra_: Qt still only took a day to build
Mar 03 10:30:35 <ogra_> yeah, nothing compared to OO.o :P
Mar 03 10:31:25 <NCommander> ogra_: OO.o took two and a half with four Babbage boards
Mar 03 10:31:39 <ogra_> it takes 36h atm iirc
Mar 03 10:31:44 <ogra_> look at LP :)
Mar 03 10:31:48 <NCommander> building in and of itself was an interesting experiment in-
Mar 03 10:31:55 <NCommander> ogra_: bah, we've gotten better hardware :-/
Mar 03 10:32:04 <ogra_> no, still same HW
Mar 03 10:32:14 <ogra_> well, we got some XMs in the pool
Mar 03 10:32:20 <ogra_> but they are as slow as babbage
Mar 03 10:33:02 * ogra_ just got a hack for the ac100 kernel that makes SD access actually run at 20M/s
Mar 03 10:33:14 <NCommander> ogra_: weee
Mar 03 10:33:20 <NCommander> can we get a 35 kernel
Mar 03 10:33:20 <ogra_> i wonde if the same hack is missing at the omap4 kernes
Mar 03 10:33:43 <ogra_> seems you didnt follow #ac100 for a while :)
Mar 03 10:33:56 <ogra_> work on .36 is pretty far
Mar 03 10:34:08 <ogra_> it boots, kbd, screen and touchpad work
Mar 03 10:34:42 <NCommander> ogra_: nifty. where's the ubuntu image ;-)
Mar 03 10:34:46 <ogra_> they are still working on getting the clocks right but it looks like i can roll a natty image with a 36 kernel which is mostly mainline+chromeos
Mar 03 10:34:59 <ogra_> will come
Mar 03 10:35:10 <ogra_> but i want a stable kernel first
Mar 03 10:35:19 <ogra_> its close but not fully ready
Mar 03 10:35:26 <NCommander> cool
Mar 03 10:35:37 <NCommander> wish I had the motivation/drive to help with that
Mar 03 10:35:40 <ogra_> oh, and there was an android 2.2 update
Mar 03 10:35:56 <ogra_> which means that toshiba will release a .32 kernel soon
Mar 03 10:36:37 <hrw> ogra_: you can run even 2.3 with 2.6.29 kernel
Mar 03 10:37:13 <NCommander> I'm going to probably go to sleep
Mar 03 10:37:14 <ogra_> hrw, yes, but the 2.2 update uses .32 on the ac100
Mar 03 10:37:19 <hrw> cool
Mar 03 10:37:30 <ogra_> NCommander, yeah, get some sleep before the meeting
Mar 03 10:38:02 <NCommander> ogra_: my alarm is set, but my brain might be on autopilot if I don't pass out
Mar 03 10:38:15 <ogra_> we'll make tobin poke you ;)
Mar 03 10:38:32 <hrw> argh.. gtk+2.0 depends on libqt3 to build
Mar 03 10:38:38 <ogra_> heh
Mar 03 10:38:44 <ogra_> collaboration ftw
Mar 03 10:38:47 <hrw> at least according to xdeb
Mar 03 10:40:25 <NCommander> hrw: ow
Mar 03 10:40:41 * NCommander notes that our collaboration went too far when a library called libqtgconf came into existance :-(
Mar 03 10:45:56 <ogra_> heh
Mar 03 10:46:10 <ogra_> wait for libqtgnome and libgtkkde
Mar 03 11:17:51 <lool> ogra: Hey
Mar 03 11:18:05 <lool> ogra: ISTR you told me someone would look into https://code.launchpad.net/~sveinse/project-rootstock/apt-source-fix/+merge/47387 but I don't remember who?
Mar 03 12:13:41 <ogra> lool, ricardo
Mar 03 12:14:07 <ogra> lool, heh and i told you you would get complaints for the mx51 stuff *g*
Mar 03 12:14:17 * ogra is happy he wasnt the one 
Mar 03 12:35:32 <janimo> quite a few LP users have armel in their names, making the team subscription require a few clicks
Mar 03 12:37:55 <ogra> use ubuntu-armel
Mar 03 12:37:56 <janimo> ogra, NCommander webkit is probably smaller than QT as QT includes webkit as a submodule :)
Mar 03 12:38:05 <janimo> regarding pkg build times
Mar 03 12:38:08 <ogra> pfft, details :)
Mar 03 12:39:11 <doko_> ogra, janimo, GrueMaster: libreoffice did build in natty. could somebody of you test it?
Mar 03 12:39:27 <janimo> doko_, oh I did not notice a new upload. Great
Mar 03 12:40:02 <janimo> doko_, where? Last upload still FTBFS
Mar 03 12:40:09 <janimo> since a few days ago
Mar 03 12:40:19 <doko_> janimo: kakadu/~doko/lo/3.3/
Mar 03 12:40:30 <doko_> not yet uploaded
Mar 03 12:40:34 <janimo> ah ok
Mar 03 12:40:45 <janimo> Can it be tested on kakadu via ssh -X ?
Mar 03 12:40:59 <janimo> that's what I'd test anyway on my panda as I have no monitor hooked up now
Mar 03 12:41:08 <ogra> heh
Mar 03 12:41:28 <ogra> if you have a very very fast internet connection you could probably test it in a chroot
Mar 03 12:41:52 <janimo> ah, it is in a chroot, forgot that had issues with remote X
Mar 03 12:44:58 <ogra> its only packages actually
Mar 03 12:45:33 <ogra> kakadu is a porter box, i dont think you have any environment available to test X packages, you would have to set up a chroot for that first
Mar 03 12:45:57 <ogra> and then somehow bend the shh X proxy to output to the internet
Mar 03 12:46:09 <ogra> *and* have a very fast connection ;)
Mar 03 12:46:31 <ogra> theoretically its possible i think, practically its surely faster to test locally
Mar 03 12:46:36 <hrw> define 'very fast'
Mar 03 12:46:51 <hrw> for some 1Mbps is very fast, for others 10Mbps is slow
Mar 03 12:47:20 <doko_> janimo: no, no custom package installs, and no X forwarding
Mar 03 12:47:28 <ogra> i dont think running X apps over less than 10Mbps is usable
Mar 03 12:48:20 <ogra> at least through an ssh tunnel ... XDMCP might be better here
Mar 03 12:48:48 <ogra> but elmo will kill you and your firstborn if you inject XDMCP into a porter box in the DC ;)
Mar 03 13:10:08 <lool> rsalveti: Did you intend to look at that rootstock merge request I mentioned earlier?
Mar 03 13:10:14 <rsalveti> lool: I'm not going to merge this for next release, that should be around next week
Mar 03 13:10:34 <ogra> s/not// ?
Mar 03 13:10:43 <rsalveti> for now I just want bug fixes, but will merge after next release
Mar 03 13:11:09 <ogra> ah
Mar 03 13:11:52 <rsalveti> there are enough bugs for a bugfix only release
Mar 03 13:12:05 <ogra> indeed
Mar 03 15:57:35 <Hairo> hello
Mar 03 16:01:11 <Hairo> speaking about arm-powered devices...
Mar 03 16:02:05 <Hairo> what about linux-powered smartphones
Mar 03 16:02:07 <Hairo> ??
Mar 03 16:03:38 <GrueMaster> Um, heard of android?
Mar 03 16:10:20 <Hairo> no, i mean linux embedded devices...
Mar 03 16:10:54 <Hairo> like some motorolas (ie: rokr e8, zine zn5)
Mar 03 16:11:25 <Hairo> armv6
Mar 03 16:12:34 <GrueMaster> Well, all work on this channel is armv7 based, so it wouldn't work anyways.
Mar 03 16:12:57 <Hairo> ok :(
Mar 03 16:13:19 <ogra> not android based though :)
Mar 03 16:13:26 <ogra> we dont do java ;)
Mar 03 16:15:43 <ogra> Hairo, if you find a v7 smartphone and do work on stuff this channel is right though
Mar 03 16:18:52 <Hairo> no, only v5, v6 is what i have... sorry...
Mar 03 16:19:26 <ogra> then debian is for you i'd guess
Mar 03 16:19:37 <Hairo> mmm
Mar 03 16:19:48 <ogra> they are compatible down to v4t
Mar 03 16:19:55 <Hairo> O.o
Mar 03 16:20:06 <Hairo> thanks for the info...
Mar 03 16:21:42 <Hairo> bye
Mar 03 16:31:02 <ericb2> looks like people are not welcome on #debian-arm
Mar 03 16:31:07 <ericb2> => You have been kicked from #debian-arm by ChanServ (Invite only channel)
Mar 03 16:31:18 <ogra> on OFTC ?
Mar 03 16:31:26 <ericb2> ogra: no, freenode
Mar 03 16:31:30 <ogra> note the debian channels arent on freenode
Mar 03 16:31:41 <ericb2> ogra: interesting
Mar 03 16:31:47 <ericb2> ogra: thanks
Mar 03 16:32:53 <ericb2> ogra : works better :)
Mar 03 16:42:40 <rsalveti> janimo: seems we have gles support for mythtv, but it's currently upstream only
Mar 03 16:42:46 <rsalveti> not integrated to the version we're using at natty
Mar 03 16:43:02 <rsalveti> and there are more than 10 patches for it to work, it seems
Mar 03 16:43:45 <rsalveti> this support would probably fix the ftbfs, and also add a new feature
Mar 03 16:44:12 <rsalveti> useful for arm, but don't know if the mythtv team wants to have it now or just fix the ftbfs by disabling opengl on arm
Mar 03 19:22:01 <prpplague> rsalveti: ping
Mar 03 19:22:11 <rsalveti> prpplague: pong
Mar 03 19:22:41 <prpplague> rsalveti: do you happen to know if the current ubuntu dev tree has support for the dvi interface on the panda?
Mar 03 19:23:05 <rsalveti> prpplague: we're working on that to be integrated probably next week
Mar 03 19:23:08 <rsalveti> with the 38 kernel
Mar 03 19:23:29 <prpplague> rsalveti: ahh ok
Mar 03 19:24:01 <rsalveti> heavily based on http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=roc/ubuntu-natty.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ti-omap4-dev-linaro
Mar 03 19:24:18 <rsalveti> we'll probably just put some more fixes and then change it to be our default one
Mar 03 19:24:22 <GrueMaster> Is that rework that you did back in October required for DVI?  If so, I won't be able to test it.
Mar 03 19:24:27 <rsalveti> we're still using the 35 one
Mar 03 19:24:52 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: prpplague should know better
Mar 03 19:26:29 <prpplague> GrueMaster: techincally no, you can drive the DPI inteface from the DSS_FCLK, but the divisors are limited and you don't get exact clocks
Mar 03 19:27:02 <prpplague> GrueMaster: my suggestion is that if you have an older board with the DSI2_PLL unpowered, you need to get with nipuna and have it swapped out asap
Mar 03 19:27:25 <GrueMaster> So short answer (for us non-HW engineers) is no?
Mar 03 19:28:00 <GrueMaster> Mine is the EA1.
Mar 03 19:28:06 <rsalveti> probably maybe :-)
Mar 03 19:28:20 <rsalveti> as we got some pre-production boards
Mar 03 19:28:45 <prpplague> GrueMaster: short answer is that your board will work, but you can only test one of the two possible configurations
Mar 03 19:28:49 <GrueMaster> rsalveti: From what I remember, 2 of the boards we got at the October rally were reworked, and 4 were not.
Mar 03 19:29:08 <GrueMaster> Yours & Brian's iirc.
Mar 03 19:30:25 <prpplague> GrueMaster: i'd contact nipuna and get your swapped out, let him know you are doing DVI testing
Mar 03 19:31:07 <GrueMaster> Ok.  I'll go through davidm.  Might just swap with him as he has new ones for the ppa pool (which won't need DVI).
Mar 03 19:31:39 <GrueMaster> Faster turn around this way.
Mar 03 20:11:33 <hrw> ericm|ubuntu: do you plan to have imx xserver in ubuntu?
Mar 03 22:56:31 <dustin> Can anyone help me get networking working?
Mar 03 22:57:56 <dustin> nm, got it! :D
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