**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 23 02:59:57 2011 Mar 23 12:41:52 are the daily images for omap4 working? Mar 23 12:42:02 should, yes Mar 23 12:42:19 * ogra_ hasnt tested any graphical ones recently, only headless Mar 23 12:44:18 ogra_: ah, that's the part I'm worried about, linaro images apparently don't turn on the display Mar 23 12:44:38 the ubuntu ubuntu-netbook ones do Mar 23 12:44:45 just use these Mar 23 12:45:06 Yeah, I'm getting the one from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/current/ now Mar 23 12:46:33 that should be fine, if you have probs with it, the alpha-3 one definitely works and was tested Mar 23 12:46:40 (see topic for url) Mar 23 14:23:47 for those interested, there is a an ARM porting Jam on #linaro this time every week; it's not too busy but if anyone knows of particularly pesky ARM only bugs or if anyone needs help with ARM tools/porting, please come and ask Mar 23 14:24:13 davidgiluk, yes, we all get the gcal notifications ;) Mar 23 14:24:36 ogra_: I assumed those in this channel weren't all on these lists Mar 23 14:24:47 davidgiluk, but nobody will fix bug 739374 for me anyway :P Mar 23 14:24:48 Launchpad bug 739374 in eglibc "eglibc newer than 2.12.1 in natty results in alignment errors, SIGLILL and segfaults on tegra2 systems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739374 Mar 23 14:25:03 * davidgiluk looks Mar 23 14:26:27 ogra_: Youch, that's a nasty errata Mar 23 14:26:35 yes Mar 23 14:26:50 and no real fix for libc Mar 23 14:27:08 that indeed wont help to get nvidia on board with linaro ever Mar 23 14:27:27 (or with ubuntu) Mar 23 14:28:00 ogra_: Is the details of that errata public? Mar 23 14:28:29 well, the kernel code as well as bionic are public ... not sure what else you need Mar 23 14:28:53 i doubt nvidia released anything with more details Mar 23 14:29:18 ogra_: So what's the problem exactly - bit 20 always reads in one way or do you get junk out? Mar 23 14:30:13 i cant boot :) Mar 23 14:30:18 nor can i chroot Mar 23 14:30:26 so its a bit hard to debug at all Mar 23 14:30:57 chrooting immediately segfaults, booting dies very early with alignment errors and SIGILLs Mar 23 14:31:29 currently i use the natty libc pinned in apt to have a working system at all Mar 23 14:31:43 and i have no idea how to debug such early userspace issues Mar 23 14:33:48 ogra_: I'd probably start with a statically build busybox Mar 23 14:34:26 right, if i hadnt beta freeze tomorrow i would invest that time :) Mar 23 14:34:43 * ogra_ uses his tegra as main work machine so its a bit hard to tinker with it Mar 23 14:35:30 given the feedback from peter it seems like a pretty desparate issue anyway Mar 23 14:39:03 ogra_: I mailed Gary King of Nvidia who did that patch to ask if he can give any more detail on the failure mode Mar 23 14:39:26 sweet ! why didnt i think of that ! Mar 23 14:39:50 did you? Mar 23 14:40:37 no i didnt :) Mar 23 14:41:28 * davidgiluk admits to knowing very little about TLS, but it strikes me if the failure is anything other than returning random junk then it might be possible to align the allocation - still painful, but it might actually work Mar 23 14:42:01 well, you actually need to know you are on a tegra etc Mar 23 14:42:19 that will likely be hard to do inside libc Mar 23 14:42:28 ogra_: Nah Mar 23 14:42:36 ogra_: Messy, not hard Mar 23 14:42:44 well, messy yeah Mar 23 14:42:47 :() Mar 23 14:43:14 bionic just bends the headers at build time Mar 23 14:44:55 ogra: I'm fairly sure I saw something about some other hardware having specific TLS memory, so perhaps it's not too unusual Mar 23 14:45:26 hmm Mar 23 14:46:00 Mar 23 14:46:11 ogra_: Well, the bad news is that his email address bounces Mar 23 14:46:25 bah Mar 23 15:01:54 ogra_: I've mailed a random other Nvidia person I found in a commit log :-) Mar 23 15:02:02 heh Mar 23 15:02:06 * ogra_ crosses fingers Mar 23 15:02:39 ... and goes back to bang his head against bug 736111 Mar 23 15:02:40 Launchpad bug 736111 in ubiquity "oem-config does not respect the console on serial tty" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736111 Mar 23 17:30:09 Are there any rootfs tars of Maverick available other than the pre-install image? I tried building one with rootstock, but I'm continually running into issues of it hanging during the process. Mar 23 17:56:10 amelim: a) use a recent qemu-linaro, if you're not running natty, you can use the ~linaro-maintainers/tools PPA and install qemu-user-static from there b) there are alternatives solutions to rootstock I can hint at if it doesn't help Mar 23 18:06:17 Is the preinstalled image supposed to turn on the screen before the first-run unpacking is complete or does it wait until after? Mar 23 18:06:32 wondering if I should give this time or dig out my serial adapter Mar 23 18:07:43 natty ? Mar 23 18:07:48 yeah Mar 23 18:07:55 do you use DVI ? Mar 23 18:08:10 no, HDMI plugged in to the first port Mar 23 18:08:23 the current image doesnt support HDMI, only DVI with fixed 720p Mar 23 18:08:30 *headdesk* Mar 23 18:08:51 new kernel with a fix that works like in maverick was just uploaded today Mar 23 18:09:06 should be in by the weekend Mar 23 18:09:18 until then you need to use DVI Mar 23 18:10:26 i guess i need to check and see if they got the regulator patch included Mar 23 18:10:35 I wouldn't have the proper adapter until the weekend anyway Mar 23 18:10:39 I don't even own a DVI cable :P Mar 23 18:19:00 Amaranth: The "DVI" port uses the same signalling as the HDMI port (except audio). Mar 23 18:19:11 So the same cable should just work. Mar 23 18:20:12 GrueMaster: So I can plug an HDMI cable in to it and it'll show something, just locked to 720p? Mar 23 18:20:20 Amaranth: http://pandaboard.org/content/resources/references Mar 23 18:20:21 yes. Mar 23 18:20:33 That's how I test here. Mar 23 18:20:34 Amaranth: there is a table there describing the different combinations Mar 23 18:21:38 ok, I guess it needs a reset to know to probe for it, hope it was done with the first boot extracting :P Mar 23 18:22:44 ooh I have an offset plymouth Mar 23 18:27:22 lool: I'm on a lucid distro, if I install qemu-user-static will I need to remove any other qemu packages for rootstock to run correctly? Mar 23 18:27:54 amelim: We renamed various packages around since lucid; what you'll be getting is an equivalent set of features, but provided by different package names Mar 23 18:28:19 amelim: You might have to upgrade other packages as well, but essentially it's different package names with same contents but newer versions Mar 23 18:28:38 and eventually, when you upgrade to some later Ubuntu versions, you'll have the same package names provided by Ubuntu Mar 23 18:28:43 (these are just backports) Mar 23 18:28:44 hmm, it seems to have rebooted and now plymouth is showing correctly, this seems promising Mar 23 18:28:54 ahhhh, ok Mar 23 18:30:26 yay it booted, thanks GrueMaster Mar 23 18:30:34 np. Mar 23 18:30:42 now fix compiz ! Mar 23 18:30:46 :) Mar 23 18:30:50 Are you trying the netbook image or the headless image? Mar 23 18:30:59 GrueMaster: netbook Mar 23 18:31:29 ogra_: Well, I have this code that compiles and I'm pretty sure does the right things but GLES is apparently broken in mesa for sandy bridge so I haven't been able to run it Mar 23 18:31:34 Thus getting real hardware going Mar 23 18:31:43 There is a bug in jasper that breaks video output after first boot. Mar 23 18:32:03 GrueMaster, hmm, how so Mar 23 18:32:18 i dropped all special casing for video stuff recently Mar 23 18:32:30 it hands through the cmdline directly now Mar 23 18:32:37 ogra_: Your fix hasn't landed in an image yet. Mar 23 18:32:50 hmm, it should be in headless Mar 23 18:32:54 As the current image is 20110321. Mar 23 18:33:02 Not in netbook Mar 23 18:33:06 no, indeed Mar 23 18:33:12 blame kdelibs Mar 23 18:33:13 crap Mar 23 18:33:23 Oh, I blame KDE for everything, don't worry Mar 23 18:33:27 heh Mar 23 18:33:36 and glib too Mar 23 18:34:01 first glib was out of sync, now kdelibs held up a lot of subsequent stuff (like compiz) Mar 23 18:34:21 How do you add icons to either the launcher or places in unity-2d? Mar 23 18:34:34 we should drop these crappy graphical images and just resort to headless everywhere :P Mar 23 18:34:38 And how does kdelibs hold up compiz? Mar 23 18:34:49 heh, compiz build depends on them Mar 23 18:34:55 no idea why Mar 23 18:34:58 compiz pulls in _everything_ Mar 23 18:35:01 Very odd. Mar 23 18:35:27 kdecompat plugin (plasma stuff), kde4-window-decorator, and the kconfig compizconfig backend Mar 23 18:35:48 And people say they don't work with other environments...sheesh. :P Mar 23 18:35:53 If you need to make sure you have -dev packages for every possible GUI app you ever want to build just apt-get build-dep compiz Mar 23 18:37:00 So, back to my unity-2d question... Mar 23 18:37:11 no idea Mar 23 18:38:16 places should be connected to nautilus places Mar 23 18:38:20 somehow Mar 23 18:38:40 and that gets updated...how? Mar 23 18:38:41 so adding one in nautiluxs might show up in the launcher Mar 23 18:39:05 Isn't nautalis used in the une-efl? Mar 23 18:39:59 hmm, this doesn't look like 720p Mar 23 18:40:05 looks more like 640x480 Mar 23 18:40:29 Amaranth: Yea, that's the jasper bug. Mar 23 18:41:11 You can fix it by editing the /boot/boot.script. Mar 23 18:41:54 Don't I have to extract that from boot.scr then regenerate it? Mar 23 18:42:07 add "omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x1024MR-32@60 omapdss.def_disp=dvi" to the bootargs, then you need to rerun mkimage on the file. Mar 23 18:42:39 The /boot/boot.script is a text version of the u-boot script. Mar 23 18:43:17 might as well enable the serial console while I'm in there, in case I screw it up :) Mar 23 18:43:53 It is in the root partition. After editing it, rerun "mkimage -A arm -O linux -T script -d mnt/boot/boot.script boot.scr". Then umount the second partition, and copy the boot.scr to the fitst partition. Mar 23 18:44:11 huh ? Mar 23 18:44:17 sudo flash-kernel Mar 23 18:44:19 Kind of a pita, but the next image should fix this. Mar 23 18:44:26 no need to run any mkimage Mar 23 18:44:47 ogra_: That is assuming you are already running. oem-config has major issues on 640x480. Mar 23 18:44:47 (on the running system) Mar 23 18:44:54 I am running Mar 23 18:44:55 ah, k Mar 23 18:45:06 oem-config has zero issues if you know alt-button1 moves the window around :) Mar 23 18:45:09 My steps can be done on the desktop system. Mar 23 18:45:11 * ogra_ didnt know oem-config misbehaves Mar 23 18:45:50 oem-config windows are designed for *x600 screen height. Mar 23 18:46:07 Amaranth, well, just edit /boot/boot.script and run sudo flash-kernel afterwards then Mar 23 18:46:19 on next reboot the new config will be used Mar 23 18:49:22 hrm, says something is using /dev/mmcblk0p1 so it can't unmount it Mar 23 18:49:50 but as far as I can tell the mount point is one flash-kernel is creating Mar 23 18:51:19 But it seems to be writing things properly, just not completing umount afterward so I guess it's reboot time Mar 23 18:53:17 dang, mode not supported, guess it's a good thing I put that serialtty bit in there Mar 23 18:53:58 well, you can always use GrueMaster's method above with your desktop PC Mar 23 18:54:35 that's no fun :) Mar 23 18:55:02 No one ever said my job was fun. :P Mar 23 19:02:33 so with the next kernel update none of this will be needed, right? Mar 23 19:03:11 yes Mar 23 19:03:25 will behave exactly like in maverick Mar 23 19:05:40 Ok, figured out how to hack in the ti addons icon into unity-2d. The method is anything but user friendly. :( Mar 23 19:05:49 But it looks good. Mar 23 19:06:29 oh, for favorites ? Mar 23 19:06:37 thats trivial, there is a gconf key Mar 23 19:07:24 That's what I was asking about. Mar 23 19:07:28 Thanks. Mar 23 19:07:36 no, you asked about adding an icon to the launcher Mar 23 19:07:43 or to places Mar 23 19:07:56 nothing indicated you wanted a new favorite Mar 23 19:08:09 And the launcher currently has it's own list of favorites. Mar 23 19:08:10 jasper should take care post beta Mar 23 19:08:18 yeah Mar 23 19:08:29 same goes for hiding behavior Mar 23 19:08:32 sigh. Mar 23 19:09:39 and the method doesnt need to be user friendly, no user should use it ;) Mar 23 19:10:50 No user would ever want to add their own favorite app to the favorites? Mar 23 19:11:36 You're kidding, right? Mar 23 19:12:11 not programmatically Mar 23 19:12:29 drag and drop is implemented in the latest upload afaik Mar 23 19:12:44 Nope. I'm running unity-2d daily. Mar 23 19:12:51 For Maverick. Mar 23 19:12:52 users will never have to fiddle with the gconf system default Mar 23 19:13:04 maverick ... Mar 23 19:13:09 Well, until D&D works... Mar 23 19:13:20 it makes use of unity features for that afaik Mar 23 19:13:26 so needs natty Mar 23 19:13:28 The unity-2d is from the ppa. Mar 23 19:13:47 but not the unity :) Mar 23 19:13:57 it uses the dash backend afaik Mar 23 19:16:20 ogra_: I thikn you can close multiple bugs with LP: #123, #456 Mar 23 19:16:39 lool, but that wouldnt give me the ascii art :) Mar 23 19:17:09 it would give you a different one Mar 23 19:17:34 yeah Mar 23 19:17:49 i'll use it next time or teach upstream about using dch Mar 24 00:15:54 crap, got a kernel oops during apt-get upgrade and it made my filesystem go read-only Mar 24 00:15:57 This is going to suck to recover Mar 24 00:30:20 Amaranth, any chance do you still have the oops? Mar 24 00:31:42 rcn-ee: I don't, completely forgot to save it before I tried to reboot Mar 24 00:34:24 whoa, it's really broken Mar 24 00:34:51 fsck fails, says to run it manually, then everything else fails because the filesystem is still readonly Mar 24 00:35:42 ouch, where you running anything special for a kernel? Mar 24 00:35:53 nope, just installed the latest netbook image Mar 24 00:37:33 wow I think it's more corrupt than not, fsck is just streaming "Inode 132 was part of the orphaned inode list." Mar 24 00:42:26 wow, and now I got this mess http://pastie.org/pastes/1706348/text Mar 24 00:42:33 Think it's time to reimage Mar 24 00:43:39 ouch, haven't seen that one before.. Mar 24 00:45:27 It's weird because that partition wasn't touched Mar 24 00:45:40 And I don't think I've made it out of the initramfs at that point **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 24 02:59:58 2011