**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 29 02:59:57 2011
Mar 29 09:47:01 <ogra_> wohoo, karmic EOL !
Mar 29 09:48:08 <hrw> so no more support for armv6 even
Mar 29 09:48:25 <ogra_> yeah, finally
Mar 29 09:48:37 <lilstevie> :o
Mar 29 09:48:52 * ogra_ likes to have a clear set of supported bits 
Mar 29 09:49:53 <lilstevie> heh
Mar 29 10:06:00 <Lopi> it's a sad day ;(
Mar 29 10:06:12 <ogra_> ??
Mar 29 10:06:21 <Lopi> karmic EOL
Mar 29 10:06:28 <Lopi> I have an armv6 device ;p
Mar 29 10:06:40 <hrw> Lopi: use debian then
Mar 29 10:07:00 <ogra_> yeah
Mar 29 10:07:11 <ogra_> use debian for evverything thats not v7
Mar 29 10:09:27 <ppisati> ogra_: do we have the datasheet for omap4&c?
Mar 29 10:11:10 <ogra_> ppisati, i dont think we have the full one, what bits do you need, ndec should be able to get you access
Mar 29 10:11:28 <ogra_> btw, ndec did you meet ppisati already ? he is our new arm kernel guy
Mar 29 10:13:23 <lool> Lopi: Note that karmic was only support for 18 months on ARM anyway  :-)
Mar 29 10:13:56 <lilstevie> I'm glad that I updated from a v6 device to the hummingbird
Mar 29 10:53:01 <ppisati> ogra_: well, from time to time i would find it handy to have a reference with regs, bits, etcetc
Mar 29 11:32:07 <sebjan> ppisati: public TI omap4 specs are available here: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbudocumentcenter.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12037 - see in section "Technical Documents"
Mar 29 11:32:59 <sebjan> ppisati: the TRM probably contains most of the info you are looking for
Mar 29 11:41:22 <ppisati> sebjan: cool, thanks
Mar 29 11:41:48 <sebjan> np
Mar 29 12:44:41 <ndec> ogra_: hi. no haven't met ppisati
Mar 29 12:44:45 <ndec> ppisati: hi!
Mar 29 12:54:35 <ppisati> ndec: hi! :)
Mar 29 12:57:23 <ndec> ppisati: nice to meet you ;-)
Mar 29 13:07:38 <ndec> ppisati: have you discussed with sebjan, he is the kernel guy on our end
Mar 29 13:11:42 <ppisati> ndec: nope, just got in touch with him
Mar 29 13:12:09 <ppisati> ndec: so, you and sebjan are from... Linaro? TI?
Mar 29 13:12:27 <ndec> ppisati: TI, both.
Mar 29 15:31:33 <GrueMaster> ogra_: It looks like the images are being rebuilt.  Can you make sure headless is added to the rebuild mix?
Mar 29 15:33:19 <ogra_> asked cjwatson
Mar 29 15:33:31 <ogra_> but i think he works down the crontab entries anyway
Mar 29 15:47:14 <GrueMaster> ok
Mar 29 15:48:09 <GrueMaster> ogra_: Does/will the headless image autodetect between serial console and kvm?
Mar 29 15:48:19 <ogra_> no
Mar 29 15:48:27 <GrueMaster> Serial only?  Ok.
Mar 29 15:48:47 <ogra_> i was wondering if we should add a boot-no-serial.scr by default that you can copy over boot.scr
Mar 29 15:49:03 <ogra_> to make switching back and forth easy
Mar 29 15:49:40 * ogra_ finds the need for mkimage pretty annoyong
Mar 29 15:49:51 <ogra_> (or so ... cant type today)
Mar 29 15:49:57 <GrueMaster> Not a bad idea.  Would need to add a default environment to uboot so the user can just run it.
Mar 29 15:54:00 <ogra_> rsalveti, thanks for confirming the cpuinfo stuff
Mar 29 16:00:44 <rsalveti> ogra_: np
Mar 29 16:03:31 <GrueMaster> ogra_: What was the environment setting used before launching minicom?  TERM=vt100?
Mar 29 16:03:51 <ogra_> GrueMaster, i would really recommend screen
Mar 29 16:04:03 <ogra_> screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
Mar 29 16:04:19 <GrueMaster> I know, just adding a warning to the wiki for minicom purists.
Mar 29 16:04:20 <ogra_> to exit it ctrl+a+k
Mar 29 16:04:39 <ogra_> vt100 or vt102 or posix will work
Mar 29 16:04:42 <GrueMaster> I'm using byobu and finding it works rather well.
Mar 29 16:05:00 <ogra_> ah, never used byobu
Mar 29 16:06:05 <GrueMaster> It is a window manager for screen.  Quite handy.
Mar 29 16:06:33 <ogra_> i know what it is, i just never used it
Mar 29 16:06:54 <ogra_> as i dont use tabbed terminal windows
Mar 29 16:07:01 <ogra_> but i know they exist ;)
Mar 29 16:09:57 <GrueMaster> Check http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ARM/Headless and see what you think.
Mar 29 16:14:19 <ogra_> GrueMaster, thats not what i meant :)
Mar 29 16:14:41 <GrueMaster> ??
Mar 29 16:14:54 <GrueMaster> What did I miss?
Mar 29 16:15:03 <ogra_> after zcat'ing your SD card, plug it out and in again and copy boot-no-serial.scr over the boot.scr file
Mar 29 16:15:21 <ogra_> thats rather what i meant
Mar 29 16:15:37 <ogra_> (but we dont have that file atm, thats post beta stuff)
Mar 29 16:16:21 <GrueMaster> That only works if you have a linux host system.  My method will work regardless of host os.
Mar 29 16:16:42 <ogra_> its vfat ;)
Mar 29 16:16:47 <GrueMaster> (granted, Ubuntu Linux is preferred).
Mar 29 16:16:48 <ogra_> will work on every system
Mar 29 16:19:08 <ogra_> the idea behind having that file was exactly that you dont have to type any commands like mkimage or even something at the u-boot prompt
Mar 29 16:19:27 <ogra_> i.e. that if you want a minimal system with framebuffer you dont need to have serial at all
Mar 29 16:21:11 <ogra_> GrueMaster, but anyway, we dont have that file yet, remove these lines
Mar 29 16:21:44 <GrueMaster> done
Mar 29 16:22:26 <ogra_> and can we put healessInstall in the right namespace please
Mar 29 16:22:27 <GrueMaster> So, why were the images rebuilt?
Mar 29 16:22:37 <GrueMaster> ?
Mar 29 16:22:39 <ogra_> oem-config changes
Mar 29 16:23:17 <GrueMaster> ok
Mar 29 16:23:37 <GrueMaster> ??? re:  <ogra_> and can we put healessInstall in the right namespace please
Mar 29 16:23:51 <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall is the page we use for the netbook images ... we will have OMAPNattyInstall for natty (linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP)
Mar 29 16:24:07 <ogra_> sorry, took a min to collect the existing links
Mar 29 16:24:21 <GrueMaster> Why?  The procedure has not changed between Maverick & Natty.
Mar 29 16:24:39 <ogra_> errata have and it might change in O
Mar 29 16:24:44 <GrueMaster> And I would assume the Headless image install won't change over time.
Mar 29 16:25:02 <ogra_> in any case you should (like all the download pages) just link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
Mar 29 16:25:30 <ogra_> and link the headless install from there
Mar 29 16:25:53 <ogra_> while i think you could drop the release name you need to have the subarch name in the namespace
Mar 29 16:26:18 <ogra_> we will likely produce mx51 images for the community that will work different (due to HW differences)
Mar 29 16:27:04 <ogra_> and if we get dove back we will have another way of using it
Mar 29 16:27:09 <GrueMaster> I honestly didn't know https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP existed.  I was going off of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall as that was all you gave me in the past.
Mar 29 16:27:31 <ogra_> OMAP is linked from each and every dowbnload page we have
Mar 29 16:27:32 <GrueMaster> Will make changes.
Mar 29 16:27:37 <ogra_> thanks :)
Mar 29 16:28:05 <ogra_> we should possibly discuss the concept at UDS over a beer or so if you feel like
Mar 29 16:28:42 <ogra_> in the past the install methid changed with every release we had ArchReleasenameBoard for all past images
Mar 29 16:29:03 <ogra_> i agree that if the install procedure doesnt change we should probably change that
Mar 29 16:29:16 <ogra_> with preinstalled everything got easier ;)
Mar 29 16:32:18 <GrueMaster> Will https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPNattyHeadlessInstall work?  Maybe we should use more subdirectories in the tree, like <ARCH>/<Release>/<Image>
Mar 29 16:32:49 <GrueMaster> Or  <ARCH>/<Platform>/<Release>/<Image>
Mar 29 16:32:51 <ogra_> that would work, though after your comment above i wonder if we actually should have the release name in it
Mar 29 16:33:15 <ogra_> OMAPHeadlessInstall seems sufficient
Mar 29 16:33:23 <GrueMaster> So  <ARCH>/<Platform>/<Image>
Mar 29 16:33:43 <ogra_> where is persia if you need him :P
Mar 29 16:33:56 <GrueMaster> I would prefer to have some subdirectory structure for readability.
Mar 29 16:33:57 <ogra_> he surely has pros and cons for exactly that ;)
Mar 29 16:34:03 <ogra_> somewhere to copy/paste them
Mar 29 16:34:14 <GrueMaster> I.e. Arm/Omap/HeadlessInstall
Mar 29 16:34:33 <GrueMaster> We can fix this later before release.
Mar 29 16:34:49 <ogra_> well, do as you like but keep them consistent
Mar 29 16:35:26 <GrueMaster> Ok.  I'll add a task to confer with the grand master and come up with a standard.  :P
Mar 29 16:35:34 <ogra_> heh
Mar 29 17:00:38 <GrueMaster> ogra_: Ok, made some changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP for headless.  Also minor reformatting overall.  Check it over and give me some feedback.
Mar 29 17:01:40 <ogra_> looks ok for now
Mar 29 17:02:05 <ogra_> "No keybourd"
Mar 29 17:02:08 <ogra_> :)
Mar 29 17:02:36 * ogra_ perfers keybelts to bourds :P
Mar 29 17:04:19 <ogra_> GrueMaster, "that can be configured and controlled via serial console", probably "have to be..." since we dont offer any other way yet ?
Mar 29 17:06:13 <GrueMaster> I think I would rather leave it and add the feature post beta.  It will only take 5-10 minutes to add the feature, less time than rewording the instructions, then reverting back.
Mar 29 17:06:23 <ogra_> k
Mar 29 17:06:29 <ogra_> no objections
Mar 29 17:06:40 <ogra_> well, looks ok to me
Mar 29 17:07:25 <GrueMaster> And even if the system is currently configured only via serial, it will still support keybord, mouse, and monitor post-install.
Mar 29 17:07:41 <ogra_> sure
Mar 29 17:08:05 <ogra_> and you still can edit boot.scr, its just more effort
Mar 29 17:24:33 <ogra_> GrueMaster, can you please default to the zcat method on the headless page (so we have consistency and dont waste gigs of space on users disks)
Mar 29 17:25:37 <GrueMaster> No.  I have had too many issues with that method, as it doesn't allow for buffered writes on SD compatible boundaries.
Mar 29 17:25:39 <ogra_> and we should also add the screen line to use (and how to get out of screen again afterwards) oem-config in minicom looks really shitty
Mar 29 17:25:50 <ogra_> sorry, but i dont get what issues you have still
Mar 29 17:25:50 <GrueMaster> I would prefer to have a more stable method.
Mar 29 17:26:01 <ogra_> and nobody has proven that there are actual issues
Mar 29 17:26:27 <GrueMaster> I have had these issues on all but two of my SD cards.
Mar 29 17:26:33 <ogra_> i have exactly met one person here that in the end admitted that he wasnt sure it was the issue
Mar 29 17:26:57 <ogra_> please make dd optional
Mar 29 17:28:15 <ogra_> feel free to blame me if someone comes around who actually has issues with it
Mar 29 17:28:42 <ogra_> i really dont want to add 10min of uncompressing and 2G of wasted diskspace to the process
Mar 29 17:30:54 <GrueMaster> I'll experiment with a zcat|dd pipe.  I would rather have the best experience overall.
Mar 29 17:31:13 <ogra_> thats what just struck me as well
Mar 29 17:31:20 <GrueMaster> Might even recommend a simple tool to flash the sd card with.
Mar 29 17:31:20 <ogra_> why not just pipe them together
Mar 29 17:31:39 <ogra_> if i get to it before release i'll add a pipe to usb-imagewriter
Mar 29 17:32:00 * ogra_ has that long on his list but with low prio
Mar 29 17:32:02 <GrueMaster> Ugh.
Mar 29 17:32:08 <ogra_> ??
Mar 29 17:32:30 <GrueMaster> I don't like that utility much personally.
Mar 29 17:32:46 <ogra_> you also know how to use dd :)
Mar 29 17:33:10 <ogra_> gunzip ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+<omap image>.img.gz| sudo dd bs=4M of=/dev/<device name>
Mar 29 17:33:14 <ogra_> that line might work
Mar 29 17:33:16 <GrueMaster> Actually, I have a script I use now.  Saves having to type all the dd crap.
Mar 29 17:34:01 <ogra_> oh, another typo ...
Mar 29 17:34:10 <ogra_> 11.04, not 10.10 in the image name ;)
Mar 29 17:36:11 <ogra_> GrueMaster, actually the above command looks better than the zcat variant, i have supported plenty of people that messed up the single quotes from the sh -c
Mar 29 17:37:58 <GrueMaster> There.  Fixed the wiki.
Mar 29 17:38:24 <ogra_> the note ablow should be bigger and bold
Mar 29 17:38:44 <GrueMaster> Picky picky.
Mar 29 17:38:46 <ogra_> and there should be a note somewhere that you should really really write to the raw device and not a partition
Mar 29 17:39:00 <ogra_> thats the most common failure i have seen yet
Mar 29 17:39:47 <ogra_> ah, we have it in MaverickInstall
Mar 29 17:43:54 <GrueMaster> See how this looks.  I added bold to the note to make it stand out without getting larger, and added the raw device info.
Mar 29 17:44:40 <ogra_> yeah, better
Mar 29 17:57:28 <GrueMaster> ogra_: Ok, reformatted the minicom section and added screen
Mar 29 17:57:54 <rbelem> rsalveti, ping
Mar 29 17:59:54 <ogra_> GrueMaster, looks cool !
Mar 29 18:25:48 * GrueMaster twiddles thumbs while waiting for new image builds to post.
Mar 29 19:48:50 <micahg> what do I need to test an armel image on an imx51?
Mar 29 19:49:56 <ScottK> First you'd need us to have such an image.
Mar 29 19:52:05 <micahg> ScottK: I signed up to test xubuntu on arm
Mar 29 19:52:39 <ScottK> AFAIK no mx.51 images exist at the moment.  ogra_ and I are going to work on it next week.
Mar 29 19:52:51 <micahg> oh, hmm
Mar 29 19:52:53 <ScottK> You'd need to have some mx.51/53 device.
Mar 29 19:54:16 <micahg> ScottK: ok, so I guess I'm off the hook for that testing
Mar 29 19:54:20 <micahg> at least until beta 2
Mar 29 19:54:34 <ScottK> Hopefully we get it sorted before the.
Mar 29 19:54:36 <ScottK> n
Mar 29 19:54:46 <ScottK> micahg: What device do you have for testing?
Mar 29 19:57:27 <micahg> ScottK:  I have an efika mx
Mar 29 19:57:42 <ScottK> micahg: smarttop or smartbook?
Mar 29 19:58:05 * ScottK has smarttop.
Mar 29 19:58:15 <micahg> ScottK: I have both actually
Mar 29 19:58:23 <ScottK> Ah.  Cool.
Mar 29 19:58:46 <micahg> but I have no idea how to test an ISO on either
Mar 29 19:58:52 <ScottK> The reports I've heard is that the linaro kernel we have works OK with smarttop, not so much with smartbook, but maybe you can test.
Mar 29 19:59:19 <ScottK> All work for next week.
Mar 29 19:59:22 <micahg> yeah, I'll have to find my restore SD card before I start trying that
Mar 29 20:53:12 * stgraber finally received his pandaboard !
Mar 29 20:54:01 <stgraber> I now have more ARM boards and devices than x86 (2x beagle + 1x panda + 1x smarttop + 1x n900)
Mar 29 20:54:28 <GrueMaster> Is that all?  :P
Mar 29 20:56:12 * GrueMaster has lots of dev systems, but no toys (i.e. smarttop/smartbook, n900, etc).
Mar 29 20:56:34 <stgraber> I like toys, especially useful toys like the n900 :)
Mar 29 20:56:42 <GrueMaster> Closest I have to a toy is my Droid 2 global, but I don't want to hack it.
Mar 29 21:38:48 <rbelem> GrueMaster, ping
Mar 29 21:50:51 <GrueMaster> rbelem: pong
Mar 29 22:04:34 <rbelem> GrueMaster, i need your help :-)
Mar 29 22:04:49 <GrueMaster> ok.  What can I do for you?
Mar 29 22:05:01 <rbelem> GrueMaster, do you have some free time to test kubuntu-mobile omap4 images?
Mar 29 22:05:25 <GrueMaster> Release testing?  Sure, after I do the normal images.
Mar 29 22:05:48 <GrueMaster> Shouldn't be too difficult to get them tested.  I have the hardware.
Mar 29 22:07:13 <rbelem> GrueMaster, yup
Mar 29 22:07:41 <rbelem> GrueMaster, thank you very much :-)
Mar 29 22:08:04 <GrueMaster> Not a problem. (personally I am a closet fan of KDE)  :P
Mar 29 22:08:23 <rbelem> :-D
Mar 29 22:08:39 * rbelem hugs GrueMaster 
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