**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 09 02:59:58 2011
May 09 08:38:54 <peter__> ubuntu arm desktop use  gnome?
May 09 08:40:20 <arune> gnome or unity-2d?
May 09 08:42:17 <peter__> the gnome depend mono?
May 09 08:42:48 <peter__> Is unity-2d desktop manage system?
May 09 08:51:21 <lilstevie> peter__: what version of ubuntu
May 09 09:00:14 <peter__> lilstevie, 10.10
May 09 10:42:41 <ogra_> rsalveti, added ...
May 09 10:43:31 <rsalveti> ogra_: awesome, thanks a lot!
May 09 10:43:38 <ogra_> :)
May 09 10:45:29 <rsalveti> ogra_: need to grab you a beer later ;-)
May 09 10:45:40 <ogra_> heh
May 09 10:45:55 <ogra_> lets first see that we get you through DMB
May 09 10:51:55 <rsalveti> ogra_: haha, sure :-)
May 09 10:56:09 <rsalveti> robclark: check with alf__, my cable is with him
May 09 10:56:21 <rsalveti> robclark: and he need just for tomorrow's session
May 09 10:56:27 <rsalveti> robclark: so it should be ok for you to take it
May 09 10:56:34 <robclark> rsalveti: ok, cool
May 09 12:31:17 <hrw> DMB...
May 09 12:31:26 <hrw> rsalveti: you attend today's DMB meeting?
May 09 12:31:49 <rsalveti> hrw: yup, we both need to attend :-)
May 09 12:32:21 <rsalveti> hrw: it is schedule for 16:15, am I right?
May 09 12:32:30 <hrw> yes
May 09 12:33:30 <rsalveti> cool
May 09 12:34:13 <hrw> notes from cross-toolchain-uses starts looking nicer
May 09 12:48:06 <rsalveti> robclark|n900: you'll be able to find alf__ at the mem management summit
May 09 12:48:11 <rsalveti> guess you're also going to be there
May 09 12:48:50 <rsalveti> hrw: are you updating it directly at etherpad?
May 09 12:49:27 <rsalveti> hrw: would also be good to check what use cases we should focus on the second session
May 09 12:49:38 <rsalveti> hrw: are you creating this additional blueprint?
May 09 12:59:03 <NCommander> lool: https://launchpad.net/mukluk
May 09 13:02:15 <NCommander> ogra: session time
May 09 13:02:19 <ogra_> NCommander, hey, you should make a spec for that
May 09 13:02:27 <ogra_> NCommander, on my way
May 09 13:09:35 <hrw> rsalveti: I added to whiteboard
May 09 14:22:41 <rsalveti> hrw: ok, cool
May 09 14:37:47 <rsalveti> hrw: congrats! :D
May 09 14:37:57 <hrw> thx
May 09 14:38:06 <hrw> rsalveti: your turn in <1h
May 09 14:38:14 <rsalveti> we'll see :-)
May 09 14:45:02 <hrw> rsalveti is preparing his 'introduce yourself' speech for DMB meeting ;D
May 09 14:45:19 <rsalveti> hrw: yeah, don't want to spend more time that I have
May 09 14:45:34 <rsalveti> have to drive a session at 17:05
May 09 14:45:43 <hrw> ouch
May 09 15:06:04 * ogra_ will be in the room in 5min
May 09 19:24:11 <dcordes> hi
May 09 19:25:12 <dcordes> Few days ago I tried some natty omap4 image on htcleo machine and had some heavy glitching in unity-2d . I'm wondering if it's worth retrying now that the release is there.
May 09 19:30:34 <arune> dcordes: works fine on my ac100
May 09 19:30:47 <arune> with released natty
May 09 19:31:43 <dcordes> arune: ok. ogra_ already stated pre release version works on ac100
May 09 19:32:29 <dcordes> arune: are you able to install normal gnome desktop in your natty release image on ac100 ?
May 09 19:32:49 <dcordes> I need an alternative to unity-* in natty omap4 images
May 09 19:35:38 <arune> I installed ogras rootfs for maverick and then did dist upgrade to natty
May 09 19:36:18 <arune> I think I can choose "normal" gnome and also unity-3d at login but did not try any of them after upgrade to natty
May 09 19:38:01 <dcordes> arune: cool. can you try the gnome ?
May 09 19:40:41 <arune> dcordes: tomorrow? bed time now ;)
May 09 19:42:46 <arune> dcordes: remind me
May 09 19:45:32 <dcordes> arune: tjhanks
May 09 19:51:23 <rsalveti> dcordes: well, unity-2d always worked fine for the other platforms
May 09 19:51:37 <rsalveti> so it could be that you're facing some graphics issues in general
May 09 19:51:52 <dcordes> rsalveti: that's what I'm suspecting
May 09 19:52:24 <dcordes> rsalveti: I'm looking to create an easy to install rootfs for use on the hd2 in the fashion of maverick images by phh et al
May 09 19:52:48 <dcordes> rsalveti: and I don't think using maverick again is progress so I'm considering old gnome session
May 09 19:53:03 <dcordes> rsalveti: ... in natty since I doubt I can fix unity-2d
May 09 19:54:52 <dcordes> *maverick images by phh et al. for ac100
May 09 19:55:08 <rsalveti> well, just use rootstock and build the rootfs you need
May 09 19:55:22 <rsalveti> you can also install unity-2d for maverick, we have a ppa for that
May 09 19:55:37 <dcordes> I need it vice versa :)
May 09 19:55:40 <rsalveti> and actually see if it's a user space issue with natty or if it's actually something triggered by Qt
May 09 19:55:56 <dcordes> unity-2d is qt based ?
May 09 19:56:45 <dcordes> my framebuffer driver lacks some functions (I also get x error messages) it's really basic. and I never really tried anything qt so the issue might be centered around qt libs
May 09 19:56:55 <dcordes> as the efl works flawlessly.
May 09 20:01:38 <rsalveti> dcordes: could be the case
May 09 20:01:47 <rsalveti> dcordes: yes, it uses Qt
May 09 20:02:02 <rsalveti> you can try different graphics system
May 09 20:02:08 <rsalveti> by default it's using raster
May 09 20:02:17 <rsalveti> so you could also try x11 (native)
May 09 20:02:29 <rsalveti> or even a simple Qt application to understand what is the isue
May 09 20:02:32 <rsalveti> *issue
May 09 20:03:05 <dcordes> rsalveti: raster ?
May 09 20:03:05 <rsalveti> if you're willing to fix it
May 09 20:03:26 <dcordes> rsalveti: that's interesting. I thought I were running normal xorg
May 09 20:03:35 <rsalveti> dcordes: Qt can use different graphics system engines
May 09 20:03:52 <dcordes> rsalveti: is it some run time setting ?
May 09 20:04:00 <rsalveti> like raster (sw optimized), native (x11, using xrender calls) and opengl (using gl or gles)
May 09 20:04:25 <rsalveti> dcordes: yes, you can call any qt application with -graphicssystem foobar
May 09 20:05:18 <rsalveti> I know unity-2d is setting raster at the code itself, but last time I checked the command line option has a higher priority when setting the engine
May 09 20:05:21 <rsalveti> so it should work
May 09 20:05:21 <dcordes> rsalveti: ok so I will just killall unity-2d ... ?
May 09 20:05:47 <rsalveti> dcordes: well, unity-2d is a combination of different applications
May 09 20:05:53 <dcordes> eek
May 09 20:05:57 <rsalveti> launcher, dash, bar, spread
May 09 20:06:15 <dcordes> right.. I remember the launcher in ps -A
May 09 20:06:39 <rsalveti> dcordes: what kind of issues did you have?
May 09 20:06:43 <dcordes> flickering
May 09 20:07:20 <dcordes> iirc the unity pricesses automatically reappeared after killing
May 09 20:07:55 <rsalveti> dcordes: yes, you can't easily kill the panel and launcher I believe
May 09 20:08:16 <rsalveti> you have someone else looking over it to restart it once it's killed
May 09 20:08:37 <rsalveti> but I noticed that if you start it quickly you should be fine
May 09 20:08:50 <rsalveti> like running killall -9 unity-2d-places; unity-2d-places &
May 09 20:09:38 <rsalveti> dcordes: so I'd first recommend you to try the normal gnome interface
May 09 20:09:52 <rsalveti> if it works, then you can start a normal qt application and see if that also works fine
May 09 20:10:05 <rsalveti> and then you can start unity-2d pieces by pieces by hand
May 09 20:10:12 <rsalveti> until you see the problem
May 09 20:10:21 <rsalveti> and understand where the bug is
May 09 20:13:19 <dcordes> rsalveti: thanks! that sounds like a nice plan. Also if I fail debugging unity-2d I still can use the gnome image. What must I add to --seed in order to get a full gnome-desktop ?
May 09 20:13:47 <dcordes> rsalveti: the ubuntu-desktop meta package equivalent
May 09 20:14:11 <dcordes> rsalveti: iirc I was desperate about not being able to find a gnome meta package in the pre release natty arm image
May 09 20:27:53 <rsalveti> dcordes: gnome is still there, so once you installed ubuntu-desktop you should have it
May 09 20:28:18 <rsalveti> for natty it's still just an option you have while login in
May 09 20:31:01 <dcordes> rsalveti: seems like I was too fast about removing the rootfs ..
May 09 20:31:21 <rsalveti> yup :-)
May 09 20:31:27 <dcordes> rsalveti: assuming it wasn't installed I was searching for the package instead of looking for the option
May 09 20:33:42 <rsalveti> yeah, a lot of people got confused by the unity migration as the default desktop
May 09 21:08:14 <dcordes> rsalveti: thanks a lot for the advise. I will let you know the outcome about unity-2d-* -graphicssystem x11 thing
May 09 21:10:25 <rsalveti> dcordes: cool
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