**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 18 02:59:57 2011
May 18 03:04:15 <Xase> Hi Xase_
May 18 03:04:21 <Xase_> Hi you sexy me.
May 18 03:34:20 <GrueMaster> I see internet weirdness has risen again.
May 18 06:32:33 <ndec1> lag: did you get your answer about the TI guy you were looking for?
May 18 07:02:27 <hrw> kgilmer: 01:33 is my sleeping time...
May 18 07:44:05 <lag> ndec: I did, thank you
May 18 07:44:19 <ndec> lag: cool... thx.. and sorry about the delay ;-)
May 18 07:44:47 <lag> ndec: NP :)
May 18 08:19:02 <ppisati> cool
May 18 08:19:17 <ppisati> so, usb enumeration (and thus booting) on omap3 is broken
May 18 08:19:28 <ppisati> while it works on panda
May 18 08:20:03 <ppisati> at this point i wonder if i shall try with the linaro kernel too...
May 18 08:53:22 <kgilmer> yeah hrw.  i got it figured out, didn't have to downgrade.  thx for the tip.
May 18 08:54:02 <kgilmer> on upgrades, i wish there was a "leave my ui just like it is" option.
May 18 08:55:48 <hrw> kgilmer: lot of people would love to
May 18 08:56:10 <hrw> kgilmer: I saw that you mvoed to 35 kernel
May 18 08:56:33 <kgilmer> yep
May 18 08:57:00 <kgilmer> you -> izzy, others in nyc, not me :)
May 18 08:57:22 <hrw> kgilmer: I meant BL
May 18 08:57:28 <kgilmer> seems to be working alright
May 18 08:58:13 <kgilmer> i'm also trying to support bug13 hw in my free time, maybe i told you
May 18 08:58:26 <kgilmer> MACHINE="bug", basically w/ angstrom
May 18 08:59:01 <hrw> kgilmer: I noticed on the list and blogs
May 18 08:59:11 <kgilmer> ah cool
May 18 08:59:34 <kgilmer> working on some refactoring now so at the app layer it is easier to combine different bits for different hw
May 18 09:00:02 <kgilmer> so i can have something like "bug for beagleboard" ... our long lost dream
May 18 09:00:47 <kgilmer> not that it's going to set the world on fire, but it's fun to work on.
May 18 09:07:03 <hrw> ;D
May 18 09:07:16 <hrw> kgilmer: I still have beaglebug board somewhere
May 18 13:40:01 <ppisati> it seems my flyswatter didn't survive the trip to budapest :(
May 18 13:50:31 <ppisati> ok, now i know we i've recompiled the x-loader :)
May 18 14:36:37 <rsalveti> ppisati: http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP4430_ES2.0_Public_TRM_vJ.pdf
May 18 14:36:45 <rsalveti> ppisati: for the omap 4 trm
May 18 14:37:02 <rsalveti> I believe you can find newer versions at the ti website
May 18 14:37:16 <rsalveti> but that's the document you were looking for
May 18 14:39:41 <cipher> when using the linux gadget framework what exactly does "platform code" mean....
May 18 14:39:45 <cipher> does that mean creating your own module and associated kernel options that get set in the .config?
May 18 14:42:25 <cipher> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/linux-usb-gadget-hid-driver-problem-840733/
May 18 14:42:45 <cipher> basically on this link... the guy responds to his own question, but I don't know where the platform_register_device should go?
May 18 15:07:10 <martyn> PXE patches are ready
May 18 15:07:21 <martyn> where should I post the u-boot PXE patches?
May 18 15:07:24 <martyn> server mailing list?
May 18 15:17:08 <rsalveti> martyn: did you post at the u-boot ml?
May 18 15:17:19 <rsalveti> jcrigby: can probably be interested on that too
May 18 15:17:22 <martyn> This patch is meant for us, first
May 18 15:18:21 <martyn> so we can get working now .. it will need to be upstreamed as it gets to be higher quality
May 18 15:18:36 <rsalveti> martyn: jcrigby is maintaining the u-boot we're using at our images
May 18 15:18:50 <martyn> jcrigby: You online?
May 18 15:19:02 <jcrigby> martyn, yes I'm here
May 18 15:19:09 <martyn> patch coming your way :)
May 18 15:19:28 <jcrigby> martyn, thanks!
May 18 15:19:30 <martyn> I'll do a git patch, then email?
May 18 15:20:41 <jcrigby> martyn, sounds good john.rigby@linaro.org
May 18 15:22:16 <martyn> okay .. know what's going on with the patches?
May 18 15:22:41 <martyn> this is for the arm server 11.10 .. we need PXE, so calxeda is putting in our PXE patches
May 18 15:23:35 * hrw thought that tftp is enough
May 18 15:23:39 <martyn> Nope
May 18 15:23:56 <martyn> we need to be able to do everything that x86 server can do
May 18 15:23:59 <martyn> that includes pxe install :)
May 18 15:24:19 <martyn> heck, I'm even going to take a stab at implementing TCP so we can do HTTP install
May 18 15:24:21 <martyn> (gpxe)
May 18 15:24:28 <martyn> but the PXE patch is ready now
May 18 15:24:34 <hrw> I had arm boards which booted uboot from flash and then tftp-ed kernel to boot
May 18 15:25:03 <martyn> hrw : Refer to notes from UDS : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-arm-server
May 18 15:25:22 <hrw> ok
May 18 15:34:25 <Xase_> ... GrueMaster what was that target rsalveti mentioned, stupid webchat crashed, and my irc client hadn't joined the room till after he mentioned it.
May 18 15:35:19 <GrueMaster> [19:47:31] <rsalveti> CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- make omap4_panda_config
May 18 15:35:19 <GrueMaster> [19:47:42] <rsalveti> CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- make u-boot.bin
May 18 15:35:55 <GrueMaster> And I noted that you will want omap3621_evt1a
May 18 15:38:41 <Xase> Yeah thanks :D GrueMaster gonna compile that soon as I get samba up
May 18 15:39:44 <martyn> jcrigby: Do you want the patch we used to change the configuration on ca9x4_ct_vxp as well?  It's a good reference
May 18 15:40:00 <martyn> (I'm just using git diff to generate the patch)
May 18 15:40:42 <jcrigby> martyn, thats fine
May 18 15:50:29 <Xase> Man...
May 18 15:50:36 <Xase> Samba sucks to set up
May 18 15:51:25 <Xase> I got it working on windows to access ubuntu... but ubuntu can't open the network for some reason
May 18 15:57:19 <Xase> THERE
May 18 15:57:25 <Xase> Finally, here comes the source...
May 18 15:57:38 <Xase> I'll figure out why I can't see the computer from Ubuntu's end later...
May 18 16:04:21 <GrueMaster> Windows doesn't play well with others.
May 18 16:08:49 <Xase> Great and now some how I've misplaced my natty img
May 18 16:12:55 <GrueMaster> oops
May 18 16:27:42 <Xase> wtf... now that mount command asks for filetype
May 18 16:29:13 <Xase> GrueMaster: what was that mount command again -_-? I have this: sudo mount /home/jase/wrkspc/natty-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img /home/jase/wrkspc/NATTYHAXYO/ -o loop,offset$((512*63))
May 18 16:29:58 <GrueMaster> should be offset=$((512*63)).  Missing =
May 18 16:30:24 <Xase> You are mighty sir@ GrueMaster
May 18 16:30:30 <GrueMaster> heh
May 18 16:31:34 <Xase> now, I'll only have to replace u-boot.bin?  @ GrueMaster , or will I have to compile some other files?
May 18 16:31:56 <GrueMaster> x-loader as well.
May 18 16:32:26 <Xase> so build x-loader and u-boot, and just copy over my resultant files?
May 18 16:34:29 <Xase> make: *** No rule to make target `omap3621_evt1a'.  Stop.
May 18 16:36:32 <GrueMaster> Xase: I am not sure what the name of the config is for the nook.  I haven't had a chance to look through it.
May 18 16:36:50 <Xase_> Would it be in the nook source?
May 18 16:36:59 <Xase_> I'll ask in NookDevs and Cyanogen mod
May 18 16:37:40 <GrueMaster> It should be
May 18 16:41:35 <Xase> I assume I'm looking for a .mk file@ GrueMaster?
May 18 16:41:56 <GrueMaster> Let me look. Give me a sec.
May 18 16:42:37 <Xase> Well I see several.
May 18 16:42:40 <Xase> Take your time.
May 18 16:44:33 <Xase> there's config.mk i386_*.mk m68k_*.mk microblaze_*.mk mips_*.mk  nios2_*.mk nios_*.mk and ppc_*.mk here
May 18 16:44:47 <Xase> oh and arm_*.mk
May 18 16:44:50 <Xase> and a blackfin one
May 18 16:46:50 <Xase_> make -j2 omap3621_evt1a_config  @ GrueMaster according to Nookdevs.com
May 18 16:47:45 <Xase> jase@xike:~/wrkspc/distro/u-boot$ CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- make omap3621_evt1a_config
May 18 16:47:47 <Xase> Configuring for omap3621_evt1a board...
May 18 16:48:36 <Xase> Compiling now @ GrueMaster
May 18 16:48:51 <GrueMaster> yep.
May 18 16:49:10 <Xase> Can't believe all  I was missing was _config :D
May 18 16:50:27 <GrueMaster> Do the same for x-loader once you have u-boot.
May 18 16:50:31 <Xase> Don't I have to also build the kernel ?
May 18 16:50:51 <GrueMaster> Yea, probably.
May 18 16:51:07 <GrueMaster> Like I said before, I haven't really had time to explore this.
May 18 16:51:36 <Xase> Well I'll just wing it, and reference nookdevs.com. Get back to what you're doing boss man.
May 18 16:55:38 <GrueMaster> heh
May 18 16:58:49 <Xase> GrueMaster: Building that kernel now, then I'll dd the image to my SD Card and reply with the results
May 18 16:59:07 <GrueMaster> cool
May 18 17:08:59 <Xase> GrueMaster: one more teensy thing... that command to mount didn't give read write access did it?
May 18 17:09:19 <Xase> or only to root?
May 18 17:09:42 <GrueMaster> It should have, but it may be root only write access.  You could also just flash and SD and mount it.
May 18 17:10:02 <GrueMaster> brb
May 18 17:10:06 <Xase> Meaning like... if I already have a prepared sd card?
May 18 17:42:22 <GrueMaster> Flash the image to the SD, then mountthe first partition and copy your files to it.
May 18 17:43:26 <cipher> has anyone had some success at making a platform hid device with the linux gadget framework?
May 18 17:43:52 <cipher> I've got my device up but no transfer between /dev/hidg0 (device side) and /dev/hidraw0 (host side)
May 18 17:53:54 <Xase_> When I plug in the device, and boot it with the card in, it shows up as an omap3630 GrueMaster
May 18 17:54:08 <Xase_> No display comes up though
May 18 17:54:17 <GrueMaster> Hmm.
May 18 17:54:49 <GrueMaster> Plug it in where?
May 18 17:54:53 <Xase_> I wish there was a way to communicate with the device over usb... but I've been googling for hours and haven't found anything.
May 18 17:54:59 <Xase_> My windows PC
May 18 17:55:06 <GrueMaster> Oh.
May 18 17:55:13 <Xase_> It's just what my nook cord happened to be plugged into.
May 18 17:55:20 <GrueMaster> Have you flashed the sd card with the natty image?
May 18 17:55:23 <Xase_> Yup
May 18 17:55:30 <GrueMaster> ANd rebooted?
May 18 17:55:34 <Xase_> Yep
May 18 17:55:45 <GrueMaster> But nothing?  Interesting.
May 18 17:55:49 <Xase_> Devmgr didn't report an omap 3630 last time though I think.
May 18 17:56:28 <Xase_> I built mlo uboot and uimage
May 18 17:59:11 <Xase_> I hear windows detecting it, and then failing to register it.
May 18 18:00:07 <Xase_> Is there perchance a way to see if anything is happening over usb?
May 18 18:00:18 <Xase_> Via linux of course.
May 18 18:01:06 <GrueMaster> not really.  But when I looked at u-boot, it looked like I would need to make some changes so that it loads initrd properly along with our boot.scr
May 18 18:01:24 <Xase> Hmm
May 18 18:01:41 <Xase> So more work to tweak.
May 18 18:01:44 <Xase> Yay
May 18 18:01:50 <GrueMaster> As I said, I haven't had a chance to really dive in for the last 2 weeks.
May 18 18:02:07 <Xase> Stuff that's over my head :), Well let me know what I can do to help and whatnot, and I can be your ears and eyes
May 18 18:02:15 <GrueMaster> And I really won't be able to focus on it until next week.
May 18 18:02:41 <Xase> Yeah, I'll see if I can equip my self with some developers of +1 intelligence :p
May 18 18:02:58 <GrueMaster> Sounds good.  BTW:  there is a thread on xdadevelopers that has a rudamentary ubuntu running on it through vnc.
May 18 18:03:16 <Xase> Yeah, that is an old trick.
May 18 18:03:21 <Xase> I used to do that on my G1
May 18 18:03:22 <GrueMaster> look for nookbuntu
May 18 18:03:38 <Xase> Think that ubuntu image would help some how?
May 18 18:03:42 <GrueMaster> Ah, so you are familiar with it.
May 18 18:03:51 <GrueMaster> Might for the boot portion.
May 18 18:06:02 <Xase> Yeah, I saw that, and said PFFT
May 18 18:06:11 <Xase> It's rather useless
May 18 18:06:17 <Xase> But I'll take a look at it.
May 18 18:12:46 <robclark> hey rsalveti, do you know if the patch for panda to take ethernet MAC addr from bootargs is gone?
May 18 18:13:13 <robclark> guy next to me just switched to same kernel, and now we both have the same MAC addr on our pandas, which is a bit inconvenient..
May 18 18:18:13 <robclark> ahh, yeah, looks like the patch for macaddr in cmdline is reverted
May 18 18:24:26 <prpplague> GrueMaster / rsalveti question for you guys
May 18 18:24:42 <GrueMaster> Shoot.
May 18 18:26:20 <prpplague> GrueMaster / rsalveti if you had an LCD adapter available for the pandaboard, would you prefer to have a large +5v wall wart that is used for the +5 and generates +12v for the lcd backlight, or would you prefer to have support for +9V or larger wall wart that drives the backlight and regulates down to +5v for the panda?
May 18 18:27:20 <GrueMaster> Personally I would prefer a brick.  No room for wall warts left (I already have 5 powerstips in my office).
May 18 18:28:02 <GrueMaster> But one power source for both would be easier to manage.
May 18 18:28:50 <prpplague> GrueMaster: right, but something like +12v and drop to +5v , or +5v push up to +12v
May 18 18:28:54 <prpplague> GrueMaster: i'm stuck on tht
May 18 18:29:30 <GrueMaster> I don't know enough about electronics to know the pros/cons of either.
May 18 18:30:29 <GrueMaster> I do know most laptops use 19v DC and down convert for devices.
May 18 18:31:03 <prpplague> GrueMaster: yea it is easier to down convert
May 18 18:31:30 <GrueMaster> Plus most cars are 12v, so someone doing in-car dev work would prefer that I think.
May 18 18:31:50 <prpplague> GrueMaster: indeed
May 18 18:46:05 <martyn> What's NCommander's canonical email add?
May 18 18:46:16 * martyn is sending out pxe patches now
May 18 18:57:13 <martyn> patches sent
May 18 18:57:15 <martyn> enjoy
May 18 19:46:24 <Xase_> So the pre-installed image goes to OEM setup right?
May 18 19:46:53 <Xase_> Anyway to set ssh or vnc to start and connect over to it that way?
May 18 19:47:14 <Xase_> To see if anything is actually functioning?
May 18 20:05:57 <NCommander> martyn: thanks
May 18 20:06:14 <martyn> It's a start :)
May 18 20:11:13 <Xase_> Beh, now this is no fun :(
May 18 20:14:18 <rsalveti> robclark: I think it was reverted, but it's now using the omap die id to create the mac address
May 18 20:14:43 <martyn> Huh .. I think Java is broken on my natty installation
May 18 20:14:44 <rsalveti> I know the first version of this patch was getting the wrong values from the omap die id, so all macs were all the same
May 18 20:14:45 <martyn> *grumpy*
May 18 20:14:52 <rsalveti> robclark: which kernel are you using?
May 18 20:15:02 <robclark> rsalveti, yeah, I saw that in the code..
May 18 20:15:11 <robclark> I'm using your drm branch ;-)
May 18 20:15:27 <robclark> not sure if we have same die-id (at least in the bits it is reading)?
May 18 20:15:48 <rsalveti> robclark: it should be unique
May 18 20:16:01 <rsalveti> at least with my current kernel I'm getting different macs for all my 3 pandas
May 18 20:16:04 <martyn> where does the OMAP normally get it's MAC address?
May 18 20:16:09 <martyn> it doesn't store it in nvram?
May 18 20:16:14 <rsalveti> robclark: could be that my branch is missing this fix
May 18 20:16:15 <robclark> OMAP doesn't have a MAC..
May 18 20:16:23 <martyn> OMAP/pandaboard
May 18 20:16:26 <martyn> sorry :)
May 18 20:16:33 <rsalveti> martyn: missing eeprom at the smsc hardware
May 18 20:16:38 <martyn> urk
May 18 20:16:38 * robclark just being over-precise
May 18 20:16:52 <robclark> rsalveti, do you have a pointer to the right patch?  I can double check that..
May 18 20:16:53 <martyn> No, it's good.  There certainly are lots of OMAP boards out there
May 18 20:17:07 <rsalveti> robclark: sure, hold on
May 18 20:17:10 <robclark> thx
May 18 20:17:16 <martyn> rsalveti: It uses that damned SMSC usb->ethernet hardware?
May 18 20:17:24 <rsalveti> martyn: yup
May 18 20:17:26 <rsalveti> same as beagle xm
May 18 20:17:29 <martyn> yuk
May 18 20:17:32 <robclark> martyn, fwiw, there is no eeprom/nvram, which makes life a bit more difficult..
May 18 20:17:44 <martyn> I like the ones that use the ram interface better
May 18 20:17:46 <martyn> 1911
May 18 20:18:00 <robclark> anyone know what snowball or the other low cost arm boards are doing?  I assume it is a common problem..
May 18 20:18:06 <martyn> BRB -- I'm taking a look at the pandaboard that Trevor has here
May 18 20:18:11 <martyn> because that's just a silly decision :)
May 18 20:18:30 <martyn> snowball has an SRAM interface ethernet
May 18 20:18:47 <martyn> I'll bet you it stores a mac address in flash :)
May 18 20:19:04 <robclark> ok, so has eMMC or something like that on the board?
May 18 20:19:09 <martyn> looking at the CALAO website now
May 18 20:19:32 <martyn> Ethernet is a SMSC LAN9221 on the Snowball
May 18 20:19:51 <martyn> Wireless is the Azurewave NH580
May 18 20:21:00 <martyn> 8GByte eMMC
May 18 20:22:25 <prpplague> martyn: picking one up?
May 18 20:22:33 <martyn> ten
May 18 20:22:48 <prpplague> robclark: snowball doesn't have eeprom either
May 18 20:22:57 <martyn> prpplague: But it does have eMMC
May 18 20:23:05 <prpplague> martyn: right
May 18 20:23:09 <martyn> which means you can load a MAC address in via u-boot
May 18 20:23:17 <rsalveti> robclark: just apply this patch: http://rsalveti.net/tmp/0001-OMAP2-Common-CPU-DIE-ID-reading-code-reads-wrong-reg.patch
May 18 20:23:43 <GrueMaster> Most dev boards don't have eeprom/nvram for mac addresses.  It requres registration with a standards body to get a mac range.
May 18 20:25:00 <prpplague> martyn: have they updated the ship dates?
May 18 20:25:15 <martyn> no.
May 18 20:25:16 * prpplague wishes the #igloo channel was on freenode instead of oftc
May 18 20:25:20 <martyn> but we pre-ordered
May 18 20:25:27 <prpplague> right as did i
May 18 20:26:43 <martyn> Hmm .. according to the SMSC spec sheet for the LAN9221 .. we -can- burn a MAC into it
May 18 20:26:54 <martyn> seems trivial to do so
May 18 20:27:30 <martyn> Ah, I see
May 18 20:27:35 <martyn> "optional EEPROM interface"
May 18 20:27:37 <martyn> boooo
May 18 20:28:01 <martyn> And they save a -whooooole-  eight bytes of storage
May 18 20:29:23 <Xase_> GrueMaster: any tips for where I should head from here?
May 18 20:36:57 <GrueMaster> Not yet.  I was going to work from a post-installed image.  Do you get video?
May 18 20:43:25 <Xase_> I get nothing on the screen.
May 18 22:07:53 <martyn> ogra_: Damnit man .. your serial cable is STILL IN MY BAG
May 18 22:07:55 <martyn> AaaaaaaaaAAAaa!@
May 18 22:08:00 <martyn> I found it this morning
May 18 22:08:04 <ogra_> LOL
May 18 22:08:20 <martyn> It's like the famous cat from the song 'the cat came back'
May 18 22:08:27 <martyn> PXE patches submitted
May 18 22:08:58 <martyn> ncommander and jcrigby have 'em
May 18 22:08:59 <ogra_> just keep it :)
May 18 22:09:13 <martyn> I'll keep it in the 'to lend' hardware pile
May 18 22:13:50 <tim> hi, i did a 'do-release-upgrade' on my NSLU2 running jaunty, and it died in the ass in a big way:
May 18 22:13:58 <tim> ERROR got an error from dpkg for pkg: '/var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.10.1-0ubuntu19_armel.deb': 'subprocess new post-removal script killed by signal (Illegal instruction)'
May 18 22:14:43 <tim> i've read that support for the NSLU2 was dropped after jaunty, but do you know how i can clean this thing up so i can use it again? as in roll back to jaunty
May 18 22:16:34 <ogra_> reinstall is your only option i fear
May 18 22:19:15 <tim> apt and dpkg still seem to function OK, but it is missing things like ldconfig and locale, lol
May 18 22:20:15 <ogra_> well, if the new libc is already installed you will definitely run into probs, karmic was all compiled for armv6
May 18 22:27:51 <Matt_O> tim, that sounds pretty grave
May 18 22:39:31 <tim> ah well, gotta keep it interesting somehow :)
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