**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 19 02:59:58 2011 May 19 03:31:54 tim: You're probably better off installing Debian. May 19 03:34:12 i agree May 19 03:34:52 when i installed ubuntu many moons ago, it was because the installer had the firmware bundled with it, whereas debian needed the ethernet firmware May 19 05:39:07 rsalveti: ping May 19 05:41:08 Does anyone here know which tool chain I should be using to cross compile for the Ubuntu 11.04 ARM build? May 19 05:41:48 I am not having a merry old time with the standard code sourcery toolchains I use for all my other targets; I get of host of undefined symbols May 19 06:00:07 Does anyone know why there are spans of libraries inside of a arm-linux-gnueabi folder inside of /usr/lib May 19 06:00:47 I have never seen this convention used before; not even in the Ubuntu 10.10 image I ran on the panda board May 19 06:01:10 Again, any insight would be appreciated as this kind of info makes for labourious googling May 19 06:01:39 * dcarr_home will barter Qt knowledge for insight into the mores of Ubuntu cross compilaiton May 19 07:05:26 anyone willing/able to lend a hand with a linking issue? May 19 07:14:38 rsalveti: it seems i was using an x-loader from a bete image May 19 07:14:42 rsalveti: i'll check later May 19 07:23:31 rsalveti: hi May 19 07:24:18 rsalveti: i have been told that glmark-es crashes X on 11.04 (during the shader tests). are you aware of this? May 19 07:52:47 rsalveti: ping May 19 08:16:16 ogra_: know about http://trimslice.com/web/ ? It seems to have native sata May 19 08:34:08 Would people expect the -B argument supplied to a cross compiler to adequate adjust the search dirs to successfully cross compile for ubuntu targets? May 19 08:34:40 I am trying to use a standard code sourcery compiler, is this stupid of me? May 19 08:34:48 is there any way to make it work? May 19 08:35:00 Again, any help would be greatly appreciated May 19 08:37:12 dcarr_home, seen the topic ? there is a link about cross building May 19 08:37:37 beyond that, hrw is the cross compiler expert here in the channel May 19 08:38:58 ogra_: Thanks for the response. I glanced over the documentation, and it indicated how to set up an entire environment for cross compiling all of Ubuntu May 19 08:39:01 dcarr_home: ok, one by one May 19 08:39:20 ogra_: I have your rootfs, it would be nice to use a standard code sourcery compiler May 19 08:39:22 dcarr_home: 'apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi' will give you cross toolchain May 19 08:39:37 gcc/g++/gfortran/gobjc/gobjc++ are available May 19 08:40:05 hrw: That is convenient, and it is very nice, but requires one to use Ubuntu as his primary dev machine May 19 08:40:17 dcarr_home: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/ on arm board is result of multiarch which allows to install more then one arch libs on system May 19 08:40:29 * dcarr_home is a Troll (Trolltech residue) May 19 08:40:40 dcarr_home: I will work on providing our toolchain for other linux systems and then also for windows May 19 08:40:53 dcarr_home: so @nokia or not anymore? May 19 08:41:19 hrw: I was surprised that I could not simply adjust the search dirs to handle the additional arm-linux-gnueabi May 19 08:41:23 hrw: Still at Nokia May 19 08:41:49 hrw: We tend to stick May 19 08:42:35 hrw: I am failing with this: May 19 08:42:39 /opt/toolchains/arm-2011.03-41-arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ --sysroot=/opt/rootfs/ti/omap4/ubuntu11.04 -B /opt/rootfs/ti/omap4/ubuntu11.04/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi -B /opt/rootfs/ti/omap4/ubuntu11.04/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi foo May 19 08:43:35 hrw: I am a little unsettled as our resident guru indicated I should compile g++ myself using your arguments May 19 08:43:57 as if it were impossible to override the necessary configure time options at runtime May 19 08:44:15 looks like multiarch change broke some external toolchains May 19 08:44:57 * dcarr_home is surprised g++ would lack provisions for runtime configuration. (qmake hardcoding always seemed evil) May 19 08:45:07 hrw: Thanks for the answers May 19 08:45:17 I will install it on a local box May 19 08:45:25 and swipe it across to my arch machine May 19 08:46:53 * dcarr_home wants to demo his Panda board at Meego Conf May 19 08:47:09 The 11.04 build looks pretty damn nice on first inspection May 19 08:47:30 well, the SD card slowness bites a bit during demos May 19 08:48:21 ogra_: I can believe it May 19 08:48:51 ogra_: The Intel targets I get tend to ship with full sata drives for this very reason May 19 08:48:57 if you really want to demo, i would actually recommend to find a fast usb key, format that and copy the second SD partition onto it May 19 08:49:26 (after running the complete install on the sd indeed) May 19 08:49:26 ogra_: Thanks, that is what we do in general although I have not done so on the Panda to date May 19 08:50:24 you will need to edit root= in /boot/boot.script and run sudo flash-kernel to have the system pick up the change May 19 08:50:43 .oO( why dont we have a wikipage for that ) May 19 08:51:07 ogra_: You dudes have ample wiki pages :) May 19 08:51:24 wiki is where information goes to perish May 19 08:53:01 well, its still easier to point to a wikipage than having to type the above every time :) May 19 08:53:15 as long as i know the page is correct at least May 19 08:53:51 ogra_: If it makes you feel any better, people keep on being bitten by Qt's default options May 19 08:54:06 Especially companies from a historically non-Linux background May 19 08:54:26 People keep on being hit by the same damn issues May 19 08:55:02 ogra_: So our documentation of best practises also clearly bites May 19 08:55:16 or its hidden to well :) May 19 08:56:08 (ours clearly is) May 19 09:08:25 sudo debootstrap --arch amd64 natty . http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu May 19 09:08:28 yum May 19 11:20:44 morning May 19 11:21:50 ndec: yup, that's exactly what I'm currently debugging May 19 11:22:15 rsalveti: ah... so you knew about this... May 19 11:22:17 cool May 19 13:17:28 ogra_: any idea when we'll get a fix for bug 746023? May 19 13:17:29 Launchpad bug 746023 in alsa-utils "No sound on omap4" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746023 May 19 13:17:49 don't know if you're still planning to fix it May 19 14:36:15 ogra_: asking again, any idea when we'll get a fix for bug 746023? May 19 14:36:16 Launchpad bug 746023 in alsa-utils "No sound on omap4" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746023 May 19 14:36:29 or if you're still planning to work on it May 19 15:02:50 rsalveti, well, feel free to grab it if you have a quick fix, else, yes, i will try to fix it May 19 15:04:48 ogra_: ok, just wanted to know if it was at your todo list :-) May 19 20:48:15 Hi, boys I wish to know if it is possible install Ubuntu 10.04 in ARM Cortex iMX515 May 19 20:48:20 Hi, boys I wish to know if it is possible install Ubuntu 10.04 in ARM Cortex iMX515? May 19 20:48:57 innovacion: yes, as long as you have a kernel for it May 19 20:49:17 10.04 was lucid, so yes. May 19 20:49:44 We supported lucid on the babbage3 (imx51). May 19 20:49:59 Well, the 10.04 kernel for i.MX51 was kinda specific to a certain board: it may need some hackery to run on other boards. May 19 20:52:24 Do you know something link guide? wiki ? May 19 20:53:44 innovacion, How does your device boot? May 19 20:55:39 If you can boot from SD *AND* your device is sufficiently supported by the kernel used for the Babbage reference board (I believe it was TO3), you can try the image at http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/ May 19 20:55:41 Jejeje ;), I am thinking to buy tablet PC, with ARM Cortex 8, 1 GHz, 512 MB ram. May 19 20:56:05 Ah, OK. That's *completely* different. May 19 20:56:17 But I don't like android, I wish install ubuntu or debian. May 19 20:56:48 We don't currently have any decent guides for installing Ubuntu on ${RETAIL_DEVICE}. May 19 20:57:54 Generally folk rely on the user communities for their device, and then semi-manually inject Ubuntu onto the target. May 19 20:58:22 Yes, I used google in spanish an english and i don't find nothing good May 19 20:58:57 The main issue is that, for the most part, each and every device has a different process by which one needs to do an install. May 19 20:59:42 And it can be even more complicated, because many devices are not designed to boot from alternate media to install, so one needs to follow a wide variety of "restore" procedures, with device-specific hackery along the way. May 19 21:00:24 I would suggest *against* trying to run 10.04 on any retail tablet. If you're willing to run 11.04 or newer (depending on when you get the tablet), your chances are substantially increased. May 19 21:01:06 In this case, I'd recommend picking a tablet where the community around that tablet has already established what needs to be done to perform the install. May 19 21:01:43 (and eventually we'll get documentation, but the documentation for Ubuntu on the N900 is still *very* rough, and people have been installing alternate environments on that since it was released) May 19 21:02:31 Ok, the ubuntu version can be 11.04 or 10.10 or debian, the most important is that I can install it linux ".debs" May 19 21:02:47 You very much can do this. May 19 21:03:06 Precisely how you do this depends entirely on the device (not the SoC, but the specific device) May 19 21:06:18 Ok, So then should be I to try with several ubuntu or kernels versions ? May 19 21:07:01 Check the user community for your device. May 19 21:07:08 innovacion: Do you already have this device? May 19 21:07:12 See if someone else has done an install on the device. May 19 21:07:35 Then follow those directions. Be aware that this may be tricky, and isn't yet entirely well supported. May 19 21:07:58 We can help some, but we're not yet at the point where we can confidently state that any released version of Ubuntu works properly on any retail device. May 19 21:10:02 (although we're *really* close for the Efika SB, the AC 100/Dynabook AZ, and the N900) May 19 21:11:35 Gure: No I don't have, I think to buy a Chinese Tablet with ARM with Cortex 8 iMX515, and Android? May 19 21:11:45 Gure: No I don't have, I think to buy a Chinese Tablet with ARM with Cortex 8 iMX515, and Android May 19 21:13:29 Personally I would shy away from them. I have read bad reviews (like the battery never charging and unable to boot when it goes flat). May 19 21:13:43 But your mileage may vary. May 19 21:14:46 There are a few tablets that have nVidia Tegra cpus that have been reported to work with Ubuntu (with some hacking). May 19 21:15:34 If you don't already have one, do some more research. Unless you really want to hack one up yourself. May 19 21:16:22 Nvidia Tegra uhmmm...., good information, I will think about it May 19 21:18:24 I am semi-noob and semi-expert linux, but so the I think that hack one Chinese tablet is all challenge May 19 21:19:25 Well, the software part is one thing. Having to hack the hardware just to keep it working is another. May 19 21:20:36 I did a little research, and came up with a nook color from barnes & noble. Only in North America unfortunately, but easily hackable. May 19 21:21:16 And I'm sure there are more options available to european and Asian markets. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 20 03:00:00 2011