**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 18 02:59:56 2011
Aug 18 03:44:01 <prpplague> cooloney: hey buddy!
Aug 18 03:44:15 <cooloney> prpplague: hey, man
Aug 18 03:44:27 <prpplague> cooloney: what's cooking today?
Aug 18 03:45:16 <cooloney> prpplague: heh, acutally i don't have much rice today
Aug 18 03:45:27 <prpplague> cooloney: hehe
Aug 18 03:45:59 <prpplague> cooloney: guess you'll have to use beer instead
Aug 18 03:46:17 <cooloney> prpplague: good idea. need buy beer then.
Aug 18 03:46:30 <cooloney> prpplague: will you goto plumbers conf?
Aug 18 03:46:31 <prpplague> hehe
Aug 18 03:46:43 <prpplague> cooloney: sorry no, too many things to work on
Aug 18 03:46:59 <cooloney> prpplague: ic
Aug 18 03:47:12 <cooloney> prpplague: i think you will go to Prague for ELC-E
Aug 18 03:47:19 <prpplague> cooloney: OH?
Aug 18 03:47:28 <prpplague> cooloney: you'll be able to make it
Aug 18 03:47:29 <prpplague> ?
Aug 18 03:47:55 <cooloney> prpplague: oh, i won't, i will go to Orlando for our UDS
Aug 18 03:48:23 <prpplague> cooloney: yea i figured as much
Aug 18 03:48:39 <prpplague> cooloney: we'll have to meet up in the spring
Aug 18 03:49:34 <cooloney> prpplague: right, might be during ELC in SFO.
Aug 18 03:49:47 <prpplague> cooloney: sounds like a plan
Aug 18 03:49:50 <prpplague> hehe
Aug 18 07:49:48 <ogra_> steev, thats on purpose, ubuntu-core is the bare minimum to *run* a machine, it isnt configured at all, thats up to you (and it is expected that you know what you are doing)
Aug 18 07:52:12 <ogra_> grr, mono killed all builds
Aug 18 07:52:24 <ogra_> s/builds/image builds/
Aug 18 12:27:41 <mahmoh> ok, so I was able to install to SD/MMC on the panda where I was seeing usb-stick problems during install yesterday (new build too though)
Aug 18 12:28:10 <mahmoh> cmagina: ogra_ ^
Aug 18 12:28:58 <cmagina> mahmoh: good to hear
Aug 18 12:29:02 <ogra_> yes, d-i was fixed
Aug 18 12:29:07 <mahmoh> I'm going to try again to the usb-stick just to ensure it's not a build change that fixed it, if it's still broke is it worth entering a bug against a particular usb-stick  install ?
Aug 18 12:29:09 <ogra_> (see oneiric-changes ;) )
Aug 18 12:29:31 <mahmoh> ogra_: so the problem may not have been the stick after all?
Aug 18 12:29:48 <ogra_> well, d-i was using an old kernel
Aug 18 12:30:09 <ogra_> thats also the reason why you get questions about the kernel package usually
Aug 18 12:30:32 <mahmoh> it was failing at kernel install time but installing an old kernel shouldn't fail, no?
Aug 18 12:31:15 <ogra_> heh, depends on the bugs in that kernel ;)
Aug 18 12:32:25 <mahmoh> here's another one for you, the net install prompts for a host mirror and pre-populates with "mirror" vs. ports.ubuntu.com, that's a bug too right?
Aug 18 12:32:57 <mahmoh> ogra_: ^?
Aug 18 12:33:15 <ogra_> yes
Aug 18 12:33:20 <ogra_> sounds like a preseed file issue
Aug 18 12:33:25 <mahmoh> if so, which package should that bug get assigned to?
Aug 18 12:33:31 <mahmoh> yeah
Aug 18 12:36:47 <mahmoh> ogra_: ^^
Aug 18 12:37:27 <ogra_> just go for debian-installer (and check if there arent bugs already, might not be arch specific)
Aug 18 12:48:53 <mahmoh> ok, so is there nayone to ping about this or just wait?   bug 828718
Aug 18 12:48:54 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 828718 in debian-installer "arm net install prepopulates archive with - mirror - vs. - ports.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828718
Aug 18 12:51:57 <mahmoh> ogra_: ^ ;)
Aug 18 13:10:06 <rsalveti> janimo: seems the pvr crash is somehow related with the new xorg =\
Aug 18 13:10:49 <rsalveti> first impression is that the fbdev is being loaded 2 times, and at the second time it gets loaded it crashes with a corrupted double-linked list
Aug 18 13:11:00 <rsalveti> investigating
Aug 18 13:11:18 <rsalveti> even with the linaro kernel I'm getting it, so it's not related with the kernel
Aug 18 13:22:08 <janimo> rsalveti, ok, for me it worked with a Xorg of last week, so maybe it will not be too hard to find the issue
Aug 18 13:22:27 <rsalveti> janimo: oh, good to know
Aug 18 13:22:37 <rsalveti> maybe I broke something :P
Aug 18 13:23:01 <janimo> rsalveti, it seems to me that setting setenv bootdelay in boot.scr on panda has no effect, as the default delay of 3 is used before actually starting the boot sequence?
Aug 18 13:23:39 <janimo> so reading boot.scr happens after the countdown
Aug 18 13:24:47 <rsalveti> janimo: yeah, guess this is happening before boot.scr
Aug 18 13:24:56 <rsalveti> so something to change at the source code
Aug 18 13:25:02 <janimo> ok.
Aug 18 13:25:03 <rsalveti> at the board specific header I guess
Aug 18 13:25:33 <janimo> or have it read boot.scr but not run anything from it, just load env values
Aug 18 13:26:08 <janimo> otherwise I am not sure how the autoboot was supposed to work if not settable from a non-default script
Aug 18 13:39:42 <rsalveti> janimo: yeah, makes sense
Aug 18 13:43:38 <rsalveti> janimo: seems u-boot in general is only setting autoboot at compile time, for all boards
Aug 18 13:44:00 <rsalveti> but what you want kind of make sense
Aug 18 13:44:10 <rsalveti> would work more like what we have at grub
Aug 18 13:44:31 <rsalveti> that the user can set up how many seconds before autoboot
Aug 18 13:44:51 <rsalveti> maybe something to improve at u-boot later on
Aug 18 13:45:03 <rsalveti> jcrigby should know it better, maybe this was discussed already
Aug 18 13:45:14 <rsalveti> guess jcrigby should be up in a few minutes ;-)
Aug 18 13:48:02 <jcrigby> janimo, rsalveti: I have noticed too that doing stuff in the boot script (either boot.scr or uEnv.txt) is not optimal since it happens "late".
Aug 18 13:48:39 <jcrigby> fwiw a patch hit the u-boot list this week that sets default boot delay to 3 seconds instead of 10
Aug 18 13:48:55 <rsalveti> janimo: ok, the segfault I'm getting is only happening with using the latest libs package as I removed the 99-pvr.conf file
Aug 18 13:49:14 <rsalveti> janimo: by trying to make xorg to find about the hw and driver without the need of a config file
Aug 18 13:49:26 <rsalveti> seems it works fine for natty, but for oneiric it doesn't
Aug 18 13:49:47 <rsalveti> will check that later, but if you enable that ppa it'll probably work fine, if you use the xorg config file for pvr
Aug 18 13:50:06 <rsalveti> just tested and it worked with the lt kernel, let me reboot at the ubuntu one now
Aug 18 13:50:24 <rsalveti> jcrigby: great, that helps already :-)
Aug 18 13:50:48 <rsalveti> jcrigby: seems that trying to load the boot.scr to at least set up the env vars would be useful in some way
Aug 18 13:50:56 <rsalveti> but don't know if it'd break some other stuff :-)
Aug 18 13:58:24 <janimo> rsalveti, ah indeed, I still needed pvr.conf , the linaro ppa libs (the newer ones) did not work without it
Aug 18 14:01:28 <rsalveti> janimo: yup, seems to work with the ubuntu kernel
Aug 18 14:01:33 <rsalveti> with the fixes I pointed at the email
Aug 18 14:01:54 <rsalveti> janimo: so, if you want to test it now, just grab the lt-ti kernel and the dkms and the libs packages available at the overlay
Aug 18 14:01:57 <janimo> rsalveti, great hopefully ppisati will upload them in the next round
Aug 18 14:02:07 <rsalveti> all available for oneiric
Aug 18 14:02:19 <rsalveti> the dkms should be in shape to push to ubuntu already
Aug 18 14:02:27 <janimo> rsalveti, I already have it running with the lt kernel, but needed the ubuntu one for easier install, and to also be able to run perf
Aug 18 14:02:36 <rsalveti> but the lib package still needs some love
Aug 18 14:02:45 <rsalveti> janimo: oh yeah, true
Aug 18 14:02:52 <rsalveti> can give you the packages later if you need
Aug 18 14:02:54 <rsalveti> meeting time
Aug 18 14:02:58 <janimo> ok
Aug 18 17:57:02 <austeregrim-gh> i'm surprised there isn't more action for ubuntu on arm devices
Aug 18 17:57:28 <infinity> There's a fair bit.
Aug 18 17:57:39 <austeregrim-gh> I'm interested
Aug 18 17:58:01 <austeregrim-gh> I've got a toshiba thrive, I've got some interest in trying to put ubuntu on it...
Aug 18 17:58:31 <austeregrim-gh> but the ubuntu pages lack alot of basic info... for arm.
Aug 18 17:59:05 <infinity> Well, every new device requires some hacking and fiddling to make go.
Aug 18 17:59:28 <infinity> And we don't tend to focus much on tablets, except for hobby hacking, since Ubuntu isn't (yet) a particularly useful tablet OS.
Aug 18 17:59:32 <austeregrim-gh> we've got an unlocked boot loader, and have rooted the android os on it... just looking to go one step further
Aug 18 18:00:31 <austeregrim-gh> i agree ubuntu isn't ready for tablets yet... but there's a usb port on it, that I can pop a keyboard into
Aug 18 18:01:51 <austeregrim-gh> im sure as tablets increase in userbase, ubuntu will eventually follow into ... but I'll admit, I'm new to it... but I understand alot. :-P
Aug 18 18:04:19 <infinity> If it's based on the nvidia tegra (I'm guessing it might be, but I can't find proper tech specs), the work we've done for the Toshiba ac100 netbooks might directly translate over.
Aug 18 18:04:26 <austeregrim-gh> tegra2
Aug 18 18:04:43 <infinity> Yeah, the ac100 is tegra2 as well.
Aug 18 18:04:57 <infinity> And likely very similar under the hood, though I'd make no promises.
Aug 18 18:05:08 <austeregrim-gh> thats what I was thinking.. but the ac100's page (via ubuntu's wiki) is old and hasn't been updated in a while
Aug 18 18:05:27 <infinity> We'll refresh some of those docs once our ac100 images are shipping (which is soon).
Aug 18 18:05:56 <infinity> If we can turn the ac100 stuff into a more generic toshiba-tegra image or something, that would be shiny.  But I've never actually even touched a Thrive, so...
Aug 18 18:06:55 <austeregrim-gh> would there be a posibility of getting a test image?
Aug 18 18:08:00 <infinity> That would require our tests images to be useful.  Give it a day or two, though, ogra's hard at work on that.
Aug 18 18:08:28 <austeregrim-gh> no worries, it was more of a put my toes in the water to see what fish bite..
Aug 18 18:10:44 <austeregrim-gh> also if theres anything that I can get from the thrive to assist, information wise. I can probably get it.. whatever linux reports from android.
Aug 18 18:11:28 <austeregrim-gh> for general comparison, about hardware
Aug 18 18:12:31 <infinity> Currently, I think we have too much on our plate right now, unless a community member steps up (you?) to learn how it all works and make it go. :P
Aug 18 18:12:43 <infinity> But I'm perfectly willing to change my position on that when I'm less busy. ;)
Aug 18 18:13:24 <infinity> I wouldn't be at all shocked to discover that the thrive is just the ac100 without a keyboard, though.  The ac100 always felt more like a proof-of-concept product than a finished deal.
Aug 18 18:13:41 <austeregrim-gh> I've been on the forefront of rooting the thrive in android, working with the tabletroms.com folks...
Aug 18 18:14:13 <austeregrim-gh> so I would see me taking to ubuntu (or linux in general) as my next plausible step
Aug 18 18:16:04 <infinity> *nod*
Aug 18 18:16:15 <infinity> Well, I'd recommend talking to ogra about his ac100 stuff as a start.
Aug 18 18:16:26 <infinity> But, like I said, giving him a few days to deliver it might help. ;)
Aug 18 18:16:34 <austeregrim-gh> understood
Aug 18 18:19:31 <austeregrim-gh> btw, Thrive model = AT105 (does not surprise me if your theory is at all correct)
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