**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 02:59:57 2011 Aug 24 05:17:16 Is ubuntu arm equivalent to debian's armhf? From the wiki page in /topic it looks like it, except maybe the thumb2 stuff. Aug 24 05:18:18 Hm, that page has "How does this differ from Debian's armel port?" but not the same for Debian armhf Aug 24 06:32:58 is there a known fix for the headless natty image on beagleboard to get the network interface up ? Aug 24 06:33:26 already in the system configuration phase, it complains that there were no network interfaces detected Aug 24 06:34:38 (I suppose technically the image "headless omap" image for natty Aug 24 07:14:17 anyone running oneiric with latest kernel on the panda? 3.0.0-1203-omap4 Aug 24 07:14:23 I get no ethernet with it Aug 24 07:16:02 twb, ubuntu arm is armel not armhf. It uses the soft-float ABI. There is work going on to have armhf ubuntu port by next cycle Aug 24 07:16:18 OK, thanks. Aug 24 07:17:23 Probably not as big a deal for me, I'm looking at the ASUS TF101, which is A9 not A8 Aug 24 07:19:17 A9 vs A8 have mostly performance differences, but otherwise the same core architecture. Orthogonal to armel vs armhf Aug 24 07:19:46 the wiki.d.o armhf post said they saw 40% speed improvements on A8, but expect smaller benefits for A9 Aug 24 07:20:06 "It's likely that the performance benefits are much larger on Cortex-A8 CPUs than on Cortex-A9 CPUs which have a faster VFP design and more conventional pipeline." Aug 24 07:20:10 http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort Aug 24 07:21:59 I want to create a rootfs using rootstock, but with some custom packages that I want to host on a local repo. I figured I could use the --extra-mirror file:///path/to/repo, but it seems to me as if it only accepts ubuntu-mirrors. It complains about not finding the repo/dists/natty/main/binary-armel/Packages file. I just created a minimal repo using dpkg-scanpackages hoping that would work. Aug 24 07:22:25 Any pointer to what I need to do to get custom packages into a rootstock build? Aug 24 07:30:37 Any multistrap fanboys in the audience? Aug 24 07:46:40 ogra_: You still alive? Aug 24 08:17:32 twb: biggest issue in A8 vs A9 is that nVidia decided to kill us all by not including the NEON instruction set Aug 24 08:17:44 A8's could all run with NEON if we wanted Aug 24 08:17:49 Yeah, I saw that Aug 24 08:18:21 that is going to be probably the biggest drawback with all hardfloat, catering for the one backwards company Aug 24 08:18:50 You don't need to convince me that nv are douchebags Aug 24 08:19:13 If there was a strong alternative to the TF101 I'd probably be looking at that instead, just to avoid nv Aug 24 08:37:49 lilstevie, I was not under the impression that neon is part of hardfp ABI. It is an optional extension to VFP Aug 24 08:38:05 one should still have armhf with optional neon Aug 24 08:38:26 Marvell Dove also lacks NEON Aug 24 08:38:31 janimo: it isn't no, just it is a hinderencce to not have it Aug 24 08:39:05 right. tegra3 is supposed to have neon Aug 24 08:39:47 I saw arm's Cortex-A15 page, and that also said NEON, so I guess all A15s have NEON Aug 24 08:41:12 janimo: I just mean like the likes of nv and marvell not including NEON are holding hf back Aug 24 08:42:21 At least it's better than armel Aug 24 08:42:49 heh true Aug 24 08:43:45 So does the TF101 just use normal nouveau/nvfb/nvidia GPU drivers? Aug 24 08:44:15 it uses the Linux4Tegra GPU drivers if you are using the right kernel Aug 24 08:44:18 otherwise fbdev Aug 24 08:46:15 lilstevie: is your git repo based on the one at git://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/linux-2.6.git ? Aug 24 08:46:23 armhf doesn't rely on NEON at all Aug 24 08:46:26 what's holding what back? Aug 24 08:47:15 twb: no, it is based off the asus source drop + patched up using the android kernel.org repo Aug 24 08:47:23 Hm, OK Aug 24 08:47:34 twb: however the one that allows acceleration is based off the chromeos kernel tree Aug 24 08:47:52 Grmph, yet another tree Aug 24 08:48:06 I hope all this work gets merged into the mainline at some point Aug 24 08:51:18 lag, i am now :) Aug 24 09:03:27 ogra_: Hey Aug 24 09:03:44 yo Aug 24 09:03:47 ogra_: On my snowball, when I start xterm using the serial console ... Aug 24 09:03:58 ogra_: It starts but I can see lots of 1111111111111111111111111111's appear Aug 24 09:04:03 ogra_: Any ideas? Aug 24 09:04:12 ogra_: No keyboard is connected Aug 24 09:04:25 are the serial settings correct ? Aug 24 09:05:23 or wait, you export DISPLAY and run it from serial ? Aug 24 09:05:26 The 11111111111111's aren't appearing on the serial console Aug 24 09:05:31 Yeah Aug 24 09:05:34 hmm Aug 24 09:05:43 check ~/.xsession-errors Aug 24 09:05:51 and /var/log/Xorg.0.log Aug 24 09:06:10 if there are input layer issues you should see it there Aug 24 09:08:21 ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/673646/ Aug 24 09:10:07 line 3 is intresting Aug 24 09:10:46 that doesnt look like an xterm though Aug 24 09:12:21 your power manager looks pretty unhappy ... but that shouldnt print 1111 Aug 24 09:13:25 to be honest i dont see anything that could cause this but i also dont see any indication of an xterm session Aug 24 09:13:27 ogra_, have you started to run omap etc tests on oneiric yet? Aug 24 09:13:47 diwic, what kind of tests ? Aug 24 09:13:55 GrueMaster tests the images regulary Aug 24 09:14:06 ogra_, checking if things work? E g the new pulseaudio version Aug 24 09:14:21 no, i dont think we have tested that much yet Aug 24 09:14:45 everyone is so focused on server stuff atm, i'll make sure we test it asap Aug 24 09:14:48 ogra_, as the UCM patches are currently not included Aug 24 09:15:04 and I haven't heard you scream about it ;-) Aug 24 09:15:06 i think the 3.0 kernel for omap4 also lacks alsa bits atm Aug 24 09:15:17 i have to check that forst ... Aug 24 09:15:20 *first Aug 24 09:15:46 (i'm currently a bit focused on ac100 work and getting the last beta workitems done) Aug 24 09:16:23 ogra_, no sound news on ac100, I assume? Aug 24 09:17:50 diwic, no, suspend made some progress but sond not yet Aug 24 09:17:52 *sound Aug 24 09:19:33 okay Aug 24 09:20:04 yeah, hadn't had a moment to do anything here either Aug 24 10:19:35 janimo, hey, i added mx5 to cdimage and fired off a first livefs testbuild Aug 24 10:19:46 ogra_, cool Aug 24 10:19:59 for server (so archive skew doesnt bite us) Aug 24 10:20:04 thanks Aug 24 10:20:18 lets see if something comes out at the rear end :) Aug 24 10:20:50 janimo, do we have a landing page for mx5 install instructions etc ? Aug 24 10:21:13 this makes the live image, but did you add the boot/post-boot scripts too? Aug 24 10:21:19 ogra_, only the linaro one Aug 24 10:21:34 I'll add one to our wiki once we have the images Aug 24 10:21:47 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/20110824.1/ ... have a look, i re-arranged the arch specific bits for preinstalled images a bit, mx5 will currently just say "For i.MX5x boards" Aug 24 10:22:07 but i think it would be good if it also pointed to a wikipage with instructions Aug 24 10:23:32 ogra_, will push here as well bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/ ? Aug 24 10:23:56 or just pastebin the change and i'll add it Aug 24 10:29:16 ogra_, skeleton page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/MX5 Aug 24 10:29:40 I wonder if they could work on MX51 too, the kernel supports it. Aug 24 10:29:55 Although if Uboot, as I suspect is different, it is too much to add mx51 back Aug 24 10:30:48 well, i left everything generic for now in the texts Aug 24 10:31:03 k, i'll add that page to the arch stuff Aug 24 10:32:08 that page can then have instructions how to modify the image for mx51 Aug 24 10:32:33 (if thats possible by i.e. just replacing u-boot.bin Aug 24 10:32:35 ) Aug 24 10:39:02 janimo: it seems the .ddeb kernel pkg should do it (at least it works for i386 and amd64), testing it now... Aug 24 10:39:13 janimo: talking about the systemtap support Aug 24 10:51:56 ppisati, thanks. There may be binaries already, but then I just did not find them :) Aug 24 10:52:14 the linaro systemtap wikipage points to some older binaries Aug 24 10:56:08 Building dependency tree... Aug 24 10:56:08 E: Unable to locate package linux-mx5 Aug 24 10:56:08 E: Unable to locate package linux-meta-linaro-lt-mx5 Aug 24 10:56:08 P: Begin unmounting filesystems... Aug 24 10:56:11 janimo, ^^^ Aug 24 10:56:41 seems to need some livecd-rootfs changes Aug 24 10:57:56 ogra_, I wrote that part before the packages landed, but I thought I had gotten the names right .hmm Aug 24 10:58:50 janimo, i guess thats the automatic bit trying to do the generic kernel installation Aug 24 10:59:04 it somehow assembles the package name from flavour etc Aug 24 10:59:13 ah linux-image-linaro-lt-mx5 Aug 24 10:59:36 oh, so the naming convention of the package is not in line with others? :( Aug 24 10:59:50 it has linaro in the package name Aug 24 11:00:16 it should still work if you seed it as you do atm though Aug 24 11:03:17 ogra_,I will commit a change Aug 24 11:03:51 yep, tell me if it hits ports.u.c, then i can trigger a new build Aug 24 11:04:02 s7if/when/ Aug 24 11:05:02 although I wonder where the linux-mx5 was gotten from, that is not put in the file Aug 24 11:05:12 is that the automatically generated name? Aug 24 11:05:39 likely, yes Aug 24 11:06:00 infinity knows that code deeper :) Aug 24 11:06:20 i never know where he pulls the code snippets from he shows me :P Aug 24 11:06:29 I had the source package name added initially, before it was built and I thought binary name would match Aug 24 11:07:24 yeah, with the binary it shoudl work, if not, we need to dig deeper and add it to the pattern that aut-creates the package names Aug 24 11:07:59 though i fear that will get hairy, while adding -linaro- might be trivial, adding the -lt- could get tricky Aug 24 11:09:12 you could indeed most easily work around it by just making the meta create a binary linux-mx5 metapackage :) Aug 24 11:09:17 ogra_, it is probably linux-$SUBARCH Aug 24 11:09:24 we have linux-omap omap4 and ac100 Aug 24 11:09:28 but not linux-ac100 Aug 24 11:09:40 we do Aug 24 11:09:45 linux-ac100 exists Aug 24 11:09:48 sorry, but not linux-mx5 Aug 24 11:09:51 yeah Aug 24 11:09:59 contradicted myself above Aug 24 11:12:21 the linux-SUBARCH packages just seem to depend on the generic image binary Aug 24 11:12:26 not sure why the indirection Aug 24 11:13:11 jcrigby, ^. Would it be too much hassle or counter to linaro naming conventions to provide a linux-mx5 package that depends on the current generic mx5 image ? Aug 24 11:13:25 that is the way ubuntu kernel packages are from what I see Aug 24 11:15:07 Package: linux-mx5 Aug 24 11:15:08 Architecture: armel Aug 24 11:15:08 Section: metapackages Aug 24 11:15:08 Priority: optional Aug 24 11:15:08 Depends: ${misc:Depends}, linux-image-linaro-lt-mx5 (= ${binary:Version}) Aug 24 11:15:14 Description: .... Aug 24 11:15:59 just add that bit to debian/control in the linux-meta-linaro-lt-mx5 package Aug 24 11:16:44 (and massage the new binary through the NEW queue) Aug 24 11:25:33 I just had my first relatively pleasant UDD experience (hope it also gets built :). First time I did not spend more on looking up debcommit & co docs for more than 5 minutes Aug 24 11:25:47 I do packaging so seldom that I keep forgetting how UDD works :( Aug 24 11:26:04 i stay away from if if i can ... Aug 24 11:26:32 * ogra_ still prefers dealing with source packages Aug 24 11:26:59 hack code + changelog || debcommit || hack changelog || debcommit -r || bzr push || bzr bd -S || dput Aug 24 11:27:04 UDD in a tweet :) Aug 24 11:32:01 how sync requests should go now? Aug 24 11:32:18 gtk-gnutella 0.97-2 needs to be synced to fix bug 823709 Aug 24 11:32:19 Launchpad bug 823709 in gtk-gnutella "gtk-gnutella version 0.97-1 failed to build on armel" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/823709 Aug 24 11:32:24 use the requestsync script as usual ? Aug 24 11:32:55 ok Aug 24 11:36:36 bug 832692 then Aug 24 11:36:38 Launchpad bug 832692 in gtk-gnutella "FFe: Sync gtk-gnutella 0.97-2 (universe) from Debian sid (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832692 Aug 24 12:41:05 janimo, new livefs mx5 build running Aug 24 12:49:59 ogra_, works without the linux-mx5 metapackage? Aug 24 12:50:10 no idea, running Aug 24 12:50:16 didnt fail yet Aug 24 12:50:26 though that usually takes a while Aug 24 13:10:18 janimo, ... Aug 24 13:10:20 Reading package lists... Aug 24 13:10:20 Building dependency tree... Aug 24 13:10:20 E: Unable to locate package linux-mx5 Aug 24 13:10:20 P: Begin unmounting filesystems... Aug 24 13:10:35 ogra_, right, the missing meta package , as expected Aug 24 13:10:55 well, i had hopes we could get around it Aug 24 13:11:24 did you work around it elsewhere? Aug 24 13:11:47 nope Aug 24 13:12:09 i was hoppig it is clever enough to recognize that we have a kernel in place already Aug 24 13:12:23 but it apparently isnt, so we should change the metapackage Aug 24 13:14:42 right Aug 24 13:16:13 jcrigby, ogra https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-linaro-lt-mx5/+bug/832744 Aug 24 13:16:14 Ubuntu bug 832744 in linux-meta-linaro-lt-mx5 "please provide linux-mx5 meta-package binary" [Undecided,New] Aug 24 13:29:40 janimo, ogra_ : looking at your conversation above... Aug 24 13:30:01 you should be able to just copy/paste what i dumped into the channel above Aug 24 13:31:31 ogra_, and that replaces this:Depends: ${misc:Depends}, linux-image-${kernel-abi-version}-linaro-lt-mx5, linux-firmware Aug 24 13:31:48 just add it additionally to the existing bits Aug 24 13:33:11 (not replacing anything, i assume teh existing binaries have a usecase) Aug 24 13:33:45 ogra_, ahh ok, this is a section that disappeared in my first meta for linaro the the linaro build was changed to deal with it. Sorry, I didn't really have a clue what I was doing back then. Still fuzzy on some things even now:) Aug 24 13:34:08 no, what you did is perfectly fine for your typical packages Aug 24 13:34:42 its just if we want to use your kernel with the ubuntu buildsystem that a package named linux-$flavour needs to exist Aug 24 13:34:53 got it Aug 24 13:35:00 if you would have done the same with omap i would have shouted ;) Aug 24 13:35:03 ok, thats easy, I'll do it right now Aug 24 13:35:14 since there we have linux-omap already and that would clash Aug 24 13:35:20 mx5 is special here Aug 24 13:35:24 ahh Aug 24 13:37:16 janimo, if that change has landed you can actually drop everything but the bootloader stuff from your live-build/auto/config line Aug 24 13:39:26 GrueMaster, why did you set preseed testing for preinstalled to BLOCKED ? i thought we talked about that before your vac. presseding works fine but you have to do it on cmdline Aug 24 13:41:18 (that shouldnt block testing) Aug 24 13:56:09 ogra_, in debian-cd what is the separation of boot and post-boot scripts for? Aug 24 13:56:22 the different subarchs do not use those consistently Aug 24 13:56:37 you likely wont need boot Aug 24 13:58:44 post-boot is fine, ignore the other Aug 24 13:58:49 * janimo learns about apt-cache policy Aug 24 13:58:54 ogra_, ok Aug 24 14:01:27 ogra_, jcrigby : Don't make a linux-mx5 metapackage, it will break some other code assumptions. Aug 24 14:01:33 janimo too. Aug 24 14:01:43 infinity, huh ? Aug 24 14:01:47 I have to run to a doctor's appointment, but I'll help you deal with this in a sec. Aug 24 14:01:51 ogra_: Just trust me. Aug 24 14:01:55 why ? it doesnt break for ac100 either Aug 24 14:02:13 ogra_: It doesn't break for ac100 because ac100 is actually your kernel flavour. Aug 24 14:02:17 mx5 isn't. Aug 24 14:02:18 weird ... but we'll wait for enlightenment :) Aug 24 14:02:23 ok, I'll wait for you smart folks to figure this out before pushing anything Aug 24 14:02:40 Anyhow. Back ina couple of hours. Tonsil specialist appointment. :/ Aug 24 14:02:45 mx5 isnt ? what does uname have ? Aug 24 14:02:52 oh my, good luck Aug 24 14:02:56 linaro-lt-mx5 Aug 24 14:03:01 urgh Aug 24 14:03:03 *runs* Aug 24 14:03:32 janimo, so seems we need to change the pattern matching in livecd-rootf Aug 24 14:03:35 s Aug 24 14:03:44 (or live-build effectively) Aug 24 14:06:20 Before I run.. Aug 24 14:06:54 In the SUBARCH case statement, something like FLAVOURS=linaro-lt-mx5 in the mx5 case statement should do the trick. Aug 24 14:07:03 * ogra_ must admit he doesnt really get why uname has any influence though, given we dont actually run the kernel Aug 24 14:07:03 Since FLAVOURS normally is jst set to SUBARCH. Aug 24 14:07:16 ah, cool, thats easy Aug 24 14:07:20 ogra_: There's pattern matching elsewhere that makes it matter. Aug 24 14:07:28 ah Aug 24 14:07:28 ogra_: Since uname also lands in the filenames. Aug 24 14:07:39 Kay, gone now. :) Aug 24 14:07:40 of the build host ? Aug 24 14:07:43 weird Aug 24 14:08:01 ogra_: No, uname of the kernel is in the filenames of the kernel and initrd, and we pattern match on those like craz. Aug 24 14:08:04 crazy* Aug 24 14:08:09 ah, k Aug 24 14:08:15 * ogra_ gets it now Aug 24 14:09:38 aha Aug 24 14:09:39 KERNEL_FLAVOURS="${SUBARCH:-$KERNEL_FLAVOURS}" Aug 24 14:13:51 ok, the var is actually LB_LINUX_FLAVOURS Aug 24 14:14:13 janimo, ^^^ Aug 24 14:17:57 LB_LINUX_FLAVOURS="linaro-lt-mx5" should work Aug 24 14:53:28 ogra, janimoe: set kernel_flavours, not the lb_ variable. Aug 24 14:54:16 forgive the awful typong, lag on my phone in the waoting room sucks. :P Aug 24 14:55:59 janimo ^ Aug 24 15:09:05 infinity, I need to find those things Aug 24 15:10:25 janimo: the same case statement where you add you botloader packages for mx5, just set KERNEL_FLAVOURS to linaro-lt-mx5 Aug 24 15:11:06 janimo: and you don't need to explicitely install the kernek too, that variable will handle it. Aug 24 15:12:07 infinity, I see only core uses that variable ATM Aug 24 15:12:31 janimo: I can hep less awkwardly later today when I'm not typing on a touch screen with 3s latency. Aug 24 15:13:22 janimo: it's set 10 lines up to SUBARCH, which you don't want, hence overriding it in the mx5 case. Aug 24 15:13:40 * janimo wishes for a detailed dump of infinity's and other cdimage connoisseurs' brains into a wiki or something that can feed into other people's heads Aug 24 15:14:11 infinity, thanks. Let's hope this change will move things forward. Aug 24 15:14:21 does the linux-mx5 metapackage still has a purpose then? Aug 24 15:14:51 Theree shouldn't be one. Aug 24 15:15:01 this looks again like last cycle's headless-image taks, which I was assigned to and took me about 10 times as much as it would have for someone who know cdimage. Oh well Aug 24 15:15:51 * janimo tries out his still fresh UDD skills again on livecd-rootfs Aug 24 15:17:11 Kay, actually out of the waitong room now. Doctor time, back later. Aug 24 15:41:07 ogra_: on the preseed thing, you also told me that you needed to do something in jasper to get it to work. So I marked it as BLOCKED until that happens. Aug 24 15:41:56 In fact, you still have a work item to that affect. Aug 24 15:47:47 bug 809760 Aug 24 15:47:48 Launchpad bug 809760 in unison2.27.57 "unison2.27.57 version 2.27.57-4 failed to build on armel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/809760 Aug 24 15:48:15 can someone push 'retry build' on this page: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unison2.27.57/2.27.57-4/+build/2620947 Aug 24 15:48:18 ? Aug 24 16:05:24 GrueMaster, that WI is for one specific preseed option to switch serial on/off ... preseeding in general works fine if syou do it on the cmdline Aug 24 16:06:13 what doesnt work yet (but will hopefully tomorrow) is using a preseed file in the vfat ... that shouldnt block testing preseeding in general though Aug 24 16:07:39 I would prefer to test all options at once. I don't want to test it now and mark it DONE only to have it reverted yet again because I didn't test yet another as of yet un-implemented feature. Aug 24 16:09:56 k Aug 24 16:10:43 grr, my machine is wonky Aug 24 16:17:01 ogra_ keep up the good work =) Aug 24 17:02:38 Hi, can anyone pls let me know if USB OTG as Host is working on panda board, on Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.38 Aug 25 00:10:37 Howdy Aug 25 01:01:33 Anyone active here? Aug 25 02:21:47 anyone know why this would be happening? http://yfrog.com/h6bbx1j **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:58 2011