**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 21 02:59:57 2011 Sep 21 03:12:24 howdy. I would like to install ubuntu on an ARM machine for hacking/server usage Sep 21 03:12:40 dash: what kind of ARM machine Sep 21 03:12:45 but I don't know if a machine suitable for that exists :) Sep 21 03:13:01 twb`: that is my question! where can I find an ARM box that has, like, SATA connections Sep 21 03:13:12 and a non-tiny amount of RAM Sep 21 03:13:24 "box", it's not, but the Freescale i.MX53 QuickStart has SATA. Sep 21 03:14:39 Whatever Debian's armel porter boxes run (efikamx?) are probably good for that role Sep 21 03:15:01 yeah i was looking at the efika smarttop Sep 21 03:15:16 Which is a motorol^W freescale underneath Sep 21 03:15:22 The quickstart's definitely faster. Sep 21 03:15:36 (And Debian's new buildds are those) Sep 21 03:15:48 infinity: who do you buy one from? Sep 21 03:16:11 I got mine from DigiKey. Sep 21 03:16:14 I mean presumably they're BGA so you need to get a mobo+soc combination Sep 21 03:16:45 http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=IMX53QSB Sep 21 03:17:09 Huh, I never heard of them but they sound big Sep 21 03:17:58 It's about 4 inches square... Sep 21 03:18:25 I meant the company Sep 21 03:18:35 "Digi-Key is the fourth largest electronic component distributor in North America" Sep 21 03:18:51 Oh. Yeah. Sep 21 03:18:58 http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=2621773&k=mx53 Sep 21 03:19:15 Assuming that works without my cookie... Their catalog can be annoying. Sep 21 03:19:35 That gives me: (Download)Save file to: dksus.dll Sep 21 03:19:44 Yeah, figured it might. Useful. Sep 21 03:19:53 This is why I avoid .com domains Sep 21 03:20:43 Just searching for mx53 and clicking on General Embedded Dev Boards will bring it up. Sep 21 03:40:21 GrueMaster: Grr. Despite this fs size bug, everything still works fine on one of my cards. :/ Sep 21 03:41:00 infinity: that looks nice. Sep 21 03:41:23 1GB RAM and sata connector means you could use it for something real :) Sep 21 03:41:52 pity it's the A8 instead of the A9, but whatever Sep 21 03:42:22 Yeah, A8 is its only failing, really. Well, that and being a dev board. :P Sep 21 03:43:13 meh, i've got gaffer tape :) Sep 21 03:44:17 i'm just looking for a dinky home server that i can build some software on Sep 21 03:44:26 to replace my thinkpad t42 whose fan just died Sep 21 03:44:59 dash: My MX53 is my Debian and Ubuntu mirror, among other things, when it's not busy rebooting for dev work. Sep 21 03:45:09 dash: Works fairly solidly. Sep 21 03:45:56 nice Sep 21 03:46:12 well i could always turn my old athlon back on Sep 21 03:46:25 but that's loud and hot :) Sep 21 03:46:43 Yeah, same reason most of my POWER systems aren't on. :/ Sep 21 03:49:55 hmm, welp Sep 21 03:50:10 this is the first piece of kit i've wanted this year that fry's hasn't had :D Sep 21 03:50:48 DigiKey is next day FedEx for 8 bucks (or maybe less in the US?), free for orders over 200. Sep 21 03:50:52 So, not the end of the world. Sep 21 03:51:32 At least, that's what they do for Canadians. Maybe they're more cruel to locals. :P Sep 21 04:02:19 1GB is pretty standard these days surely Sep 21 06:00:51 Holy crap Sep 21 06:01:05 why didn't i notice trimslice.com before i ordered that mx53 :) Sep 21 06:02:38 They're tegra 250s, not as nice Sep 21 06:03:12 oh really Sep 21 06:03:32 i haven't compared tegra vs cortex very closely Sep 21 06:04:29 tegra is a9 Sep 21 06:04:33 But no SIMD NEON Sep 21 06:04:53 And reflashing them is a PITA, you have to use stupid nvidia proprietary flashing tool Sep 21 06:05:10 oh right Sep 21 06:05:15 had to do that with my phone Sep 21 08:27:22 Note to self: next time doing a dist-upgrade within a chroot on a foreign architecture, do --download-only Sep 21 08:27:36 * twb watches dpkg chug along from within a qemu userspace emulation Sep 21 10:41:01 janimo, no updated mx5 images ? Sep 21 10:41:37 ogra_, apparently none with the newer jasper Sep 21 10:41:41 still at .60 Sep 21 10:42:23 why didnt infinity start a rebuild, do you know ? Sep 21 10:42:32 jasper should be long done Sep 21 10:47:17 no idea, I was asleep Sep 21 10:48:32 ok, there were issues with ca-certificates and a mozilla update Sep 21 10:48:53 seems new builds were started around 6am UTC by pitti Sep 21 10:49:13 so we should have them this afternoon (about 6h for one build) Sep 21 10:53:30 janimo, within the next 2h we should have them Sep 21 10:54:52 ok Sep 21 10:55:14 so let me find that silly wlan debug setting Sep 21 10:55:26 hello, I'd like to use ubuntu 10.10 without desktop ... the question is ... how disinstall gnome? Sep 21 10:55:51 morning Sep 21 10:55:56 janimo, phy0 -> rt2800usb_txdone_entry_check: Warning - TX status report missed for queue 2 entry 47 ... thats the message in dmesg you get thanks to it ... one every few mins Sep 21 10:56:20 then i will want to start my own QT/QML ... based on Qt 4.7.4 Sep 21 10:56:50 ogra_, ah, so not _that _ spammy - I thought it was flooding dmesg Sep 21 10:56:55 janimo, CONFIG_RT2X00_DEBUG Sep 21 10:56:59 it can actually be a good debugging clue Sep 21 10:57:00 is available a debian package for qt4.7.4 for arm with prebuilded libraries? Sep 21 10:57:19 well, spammy enough that you cant read the actual dmesg messages because of it at times Sep 21 10:57:51 its not as bad as one line per second, but still annoying and nothing for a release :) Sep 21 10:59:05 huge, I know there are qt 4.7.4 libs in Ubuntu Oneiric, technically debian packages but not sure it's what you're after Sep 21 10:59:05 sigh, but 6h for one desktop image build run is pretty bad, we will need way more livefs builders next release Sep 21 10:59:15 I put my usb SSD in and my CF And booted the daily server and things seem to have gone better Sep 21 10:59:18 but right now it's stopped at "Waiting for network configuration" Sep 21 10:59:22 ogra_, why does a debootstrap take that long? Sep 21 10:59:28 what else is happening there? Sep 21 10:59:34 janimo, i think for Qt they package upstream and dont sync Sep 21 10:59:49 (i might be wrong, but i think i remember something like that) Sep 21 11:00:05 janimo, which debootstrap ? Sep 21 11:00:14 ogra_, no idea, how do live images get built? Sep 21 11:00:17 you mean running it locally ? Sep 21 11:00:20 ah Sep 21 11:00:20 not by debostrapping initially? Sep 21 11:00:29 well, there si debootstrap involved Sep 21 11:00:40 did you ever use rootstock ? Sep 21 11:00:45 yes Sep 21 11:00:47 it functions pretty much the same Sep 21 11:00:57 huge: debian currently have 4.6.5 in testing/unstable. the quickest way to remove gnome are apt-get remove gdm and then apt-get install kdm Sep 21 11:00:59 but that did never take close to 6 hours here Sep 21 11:01:02 an hour at most maybe Sep 21 11:01:11 debootstrap -> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ Sep 21 11:01:18 then configure some stuff Sep 21 11:01:34 ah they happen natively that's why it is slow? Sep 21 11:01:34 and roll the whole into a filesystem image of any kind Sep 21 11:01:42 they have to Sep 21 11:02:42 while we dont really require fast disks for normal buildds (usually CUP and RAM are more important there), livefs builds totally depend on disk speed Sep 21 11:03:20 and thats something we heavily miss (even with fast USB disks you are limited to the bus speed) Sep 21 11:03:52 we shoudl consider an mx5 cluster for livefs builders, so we can use SATA Sep 21 11:58:42 hello, i've problems with ubuntu-omap4-extras, after installation ubuntu (10.10) does not work fine any more Sep 21 11:58:56 graphics does not work properly Sep 21 11:59:05 how to fix this issues?? Sep 21 12:07:10 some help? Sep 21 12:09:08 huge: are xorg running? Sep 21 12:09:26 huge: did graphics stop after you installed the package? Sep 21 12:10:49 yes ... after reboot ubuntu is starting in graphics mode but it is not usable Sep 21 12:11:14 xorg is running. Sep 21 12:11:27 my HW is pandaboard Sep 21 12:12:34 huge: fist check that your pandaboard gets enough power.. how many A can your powersupply deliver? Sep 21 12:13:25 huge: try reduce powerconsumption from the board by connecting keyboard and mouse to a self powered usb hub instead of directly connecting them to the board Sep 21 12:14:05 power supply is +5V Sep 21 12:14:38 huge: how many A at 5V can your powersupply deliver i want to know how many Watt (A *V) Sep 21 12:14:52 ah ... sorry Sep 21 12:15:06 2.4 A Sep 21 12:15:46 huge: ok thats a bit on the low side Sep 21 12:16:02 huge: do you have a watt meter? Sep 21 12:16:16 yes Sep 21 12:16:37 what to do? Sep 21 12:18:16 huge: check that you do not use more than 12W or else you risk a brownout when using the board Sep 21 12:18:27 huge: since you powersupply can only deliver 12W Sep 21 12:18:47 huge: a brownout will manifest itself like random crashes and segfaults Sep 21 12:19:06 huge: since the board will not get enough power Sep 21 12:19:24 janimo, did you care for mx5 vto be on the iso tracker ? Sep 21 12:19:35 huge: if you exceed 12W or are close to using 12W then buy a better powersupply Sep 21 12:19:37 pitti just asks in #ubuntu-release Sep 21 12:19:59 huge: that can deliver say 4A 5V+ Sep 21 12:22:07 ogra_, no idea. I know too little about the iso tracker and what the implications are for an image to be there Sep 21 12:22:21 we want to have the image usable so probably yes i'd say Sep 21 12:22:30 can you tell pitti you want mx5 (and where on the tracker it should go) Sep 21 12:22:43 so i have need a 20W powersupply?? Sep 21 12:22:59 huge: remember that one usb device connected to the panda can consume up to 2.5w so if you connect two usb devices you allready use 5W of the 12W Sep 21 12:23:10 leaving only 7w left for the board itself Sep 21 12:23:39 you really only need the 4A if you drive a lot of USB devices on the pand Sep 21 12:23:39 a Sep 21 12:24:06 2.5 to 3.0 should be fine for normal operations off an SD card Sep 21 12:24:50 ogra_: huge's powersupply are 2.4A Sep 21 12:26:01 yes, i saw that Sep 21 12:26:13 for bare SD card installation that should still be ok Sep 21 12:28:45 huge: still you have not mentioned why your graphics mode is not usable Sep 21 12:28:51 huge: is it stalled ? Sep 21 12:30:50 no is it not stalled ... the mouse pointer is evil ... when i start application i see only green windows Sep 21 12:31:15 how can i'm sure that is not an sw problem? Sep 21 12:33:02 now i've downloaded SGX with Demo Package from http://neuvoo.org/neuvoo/distfiles/SGX-3.01.00.07-SDK.tar.gz ./OGLESEvilSkull Does not start Sep 21 12:33:27 huge: can you paste any error message? Sep 21 12:34:05 libGLES_CM.so is missing Sep 21 12:35:07 * ogra_ would recommend waiting for rsalveti or robclark Sep 21 12:35:24 they maintain the sgx drivers (one for TI, one for linaro/ubuntu) Sep 21 12:35:42 they are both on US timezones and should show up soon Sep 21 12:36:06 maybe can be a reason ... becouse i donìt have libgles2-sgx-omap4-dev installed Sep 21 12:37:30 huge: install -dev package Sep 21 12:37:32 huge: try sudo apt-get install libegl1-sgx-omap4 libgles1-sgx-omap4 libgles2-sgx-omap4 Sep 21 12:41:50 i've installed libgles2-sgx-omap4-dev ... but nothing changed Sep 21 12:47:18 now i've solved ... was missing a simbolic link for libGLES_CM.so ... but to start ./OGLESEvilSkull i need to have X up ... but in graphics mode ubuntu is not utilizable Sep 21 12:55:14 also on startx i've: startx (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/pvr_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/pvr_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) Sep 21 13:05:01 xrandy tried with usb hub ... same problems Sep 21 13:08:56 * ogra_ runs an ac100 test install ... brb Sep 21 13:09:36 xrandy what i don't understand ... is that X start, gnome start ... and seems fast ... then when i try to open a simple terminal (in graphic mode) i've white screen Sep 21 13:11:03 huge: sounds like a gfx driver bug Sep 21 13:11:19 huge: did you check your board powerusage witht he watt meter? Sep 21 13:11:26 just to rule out that source of error Sep 21 13:11:52 i'm going to do ... i need to reboot Sep 21 13:12:01 just 5 minutes Sep 21 13:17:39 done Sep 21 13:18:10 it is max 5 W Sep 21 13:20:05 so we can exclude problems about powerusage Sep 21 13:20:53 huge: great, hopefully robclark here and rsalveti know hot to debug the sgx drivers and can come up with an idea why you get a white screen when you launch the terminal Sep 21 13:23:04 thank you, robclark/rsalveti could you help me? Sep 21 13:26:43 it looks as though the install runs into issues if you don't have your CF card zero'd out before you start your install Sep 21 13:29:10 hello hello Sep 21 13:31:21 huge, umm, ok, what is the issue then? Sep 21 13:32:21 issues is that after omap4-extra installation, I can't use ubuntu in graphics mode Sep 21 13:32:57 robclark: (15.09.06) huge: xrandy what i don't understand ... is that X start, gnome start ... and seems fast ... then when i try to open a simple terminal (in graphic mode) i've white screen Sep 21 13:33:23 xterm? Or gnome-terminal? Sep 21 13:33:39 dmesg or /var/log/Xorg.0.log have anything interesting? Sep 21 13:34:00 gnome-terminal Sep 21 13:35:53 is this compiz, or metacity? Sep 21 13:36:20 and Sep 21 13:36:52 sgxCopy PVR2DBlt3D with error code -7 Sep 21 13:37:10 sgxComposite: failed to do composition Sep 21 13:37:17 k.. can you pastebin the xorg log? Sep 21 13:37:34 (and also check dmesg.. maybe we crashed sgx somehow) Sep 21 13:38:38 ok, i will ... Sep 21 13:41:38 i need to install telnetd and to reboot Sep 21 13:42:04 (or sshd) Sep 21 13:47:02 http://pastebin.com/JUd5dwwD Sep 21 13:47:15 var/log/Xorg Sep 21 13:48:40 dmesg seems ok Sep 21 13:48:47 * robclark looks Sep 21 13:49:50 error 0x00000003 is INVALID_PARAMS... Sep 21 13:50:13 I'm guessing something is fubar in the package.. Sep 21 13:50:32 maybe some patch merged badly or something like that? Sep 21 13:50:51 but sgxCopy shouldn't really fail like that.. it is a pretty basic operation Sep 21 13:51:51 huge: are you using the sgx packages from stable or trunk ppa? Sep 21 13:52:12 http://pastebin.com/RMDXYdng Sep 21 13:54:24 huge, yeah, kernel level stuff looks ok.. Sep 21 13:54:47 yes yes Sep 21 13:56:52 i don't understand really ... Sep 21 13:58:15 i've used this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/omap-trunk Sep 21 13:58:42 and followed this guide Sep 21 13:58:50 http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_OMAP_trunk Sep 21 14:25:04 GrueMaster, respin in progress, enjoy your morning coffee and relax :) Sep 21 14:32:01 planned on it. Sep 21 14:32:36 seems pitti didnt think that üpreinstalled needs ubiquity at all Sep 21 14:32:51 so we have a broken oem-config still Sep 21 14:33:08 (crashing very badly if you do a non networked install) Sep 21 14:38:44 sigh Sep 21 15:22:20 robclack ... some help ? :) Sep 21 15:52:07 rsalveti : do you suggest to use sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release ?? Sep 21 15:52:18 instead of trunk? Sep 21 15:56:39 huge: trunk in theory works Sep 21 15:56:54 unless something else changed and broke the ppa Sep 21 15:57:36 so how to solve my isuess? :( Sep 21 15:58:14 ogra_: jasper is still broken. Sep 21 16:10:30 GrueMaster, on mx5 ? Sep 21 16:10:42 janimo, ^^^ Sep 21 16:11:24 ogra_: nevermind. Appears my mirror sync was not sync'd. It gets confused when we start triggering builds manually. Sep 21 16:11:56 .oO( would really be helpful if that was discussed here and not in teh other channel ) Sep 21 16:11:58 ;) Sep 21 16:12:09 GrueMaster, thanks for notifying here :) Sep 21 16:12:59 I tend to go where the people that can fix things pop their heads up. Kind of like whack-a-dev. Sep 21 16:13:46 (since so few of you guys seem to use windowed IRC systems and only hover over one channel at a time). Sep 21 16:14:12 i dont :) Sep 21 16:15:07 Ew? Sep 21 16:15:12 Err, "Eh". Sep 21 16:15:29 I get lovely annoyances when people correctly nick highlight me. :P Sep 21 16:15:41 And I blissfully ignore even the window I'm "watching" when they don't. Sep 21 16:17:02 infinity: This is based on years of conditioning on this team. Not everyone is the same, however I tend to follow best practices for all. Sep 21 16:18:13 And when I see a critical release-stopping issue, I go hunting for immediate assistance. You should have seen the flack a few releases ago when I didn't. Sep 21 16:20:14 well, stop making up excuses we all fail in that regard (including me) and use the wrong channel to often Sep 21 16:24:45 infinity: I still don't see a 0.62 tag in jasper bzr. Sep 21 16:24:54 infinity, so there are people poking me about a partitioner in the ac100 installer ... which i refuse to write ... i'm wondering, since you wanted to move the jasper bits into d-i, we could probably also have a tarball installer udeb Sep 21 16:26:14 I do see your patch to fix partition detection. Sep 21 16:27:14 GrueMaster: That would be because I didn't tag it. :P Sep 21 16:27:56 GrueMaster: There. Happy? ;) Sep 21 16:28:20 Like I said yesterday, I am just keeping everyone on their toes. Sep 21 16:28:34 ogra_: Yeah, it should all be in d-i somehow or other. Sep 21 16:28:35 * ogra_ whacks infinity Sep 21 16:28:47 use debcommit ! Sep 21 16:29:07 it auto tags if the changelog is right Sep 21 16:29:39 Meh. Sep 21 16:30:55 I'm actally completely opposed to people trying to switch source packages to bzr repositories, I might be avoiding tagging as a subconscious protest. :P Sep 21 16:31:19 oh, i fyou actuvely do it i will join in Sep 21 16:31:39 * ogra_ prefers source debs too, but gave up on fighting for it Sep 21 16:31:48 it doesnt look like it has much chance Sep 21 16:32:39 I have no problems with package collaboration in a VCS, I have huge issues with building directly from that VCS. Maemo did that, and it wasn't an improvement over the old skool Debian way in any way. It just made people feel like they were more "cutting edge" or some crap. Sep 21 16:33:23 well, i still also prefer apt-get source ... edit, dpkg-buildpackage ... upload Sep 21 16:33:50 and theoretically UDD should DTRT with that and push it into the bzr branch Sep 21 16:34:21 ogra_: And some day, it might. I hope. Sep 21 16:34:46 ogra_: I dislike the idea that one person's workflow needs to be imposed on another. So, if that can all Just Work, cool. Sep 21 16:35:08 heh Sep 21 16:39:40 so I just took the time to zero out both SD cards and flash the preinstalled server image Sep 21 16:39:45 lets hope it works this time :( Sep 21 16:41:25 GrueMaster: Phew. Sep 21 16:41:30 GrueMaster: Resize works here. :P Sep 21 16:41:37 GrueMaster: Your stale mirror has me scared. :) Sep 21 16:41:42 s/has/had/ Sep 21 16:41:50 ok. Still pulling updated images here. Sep 21 16:42:23 So, who's good at partition math? Sep 21 16:42:32 * ogra_ hides Sep 21 16:42:39 It's as if zsync completely fell over for all the images I pull. Each one is taking ~15 minutes to pull. Sep 21 16:43:10 I suspect this is a bug we've had for months/years, but I think we're generating images that are a block short around 50% of the time. Sep 21 16:43:15 And my link light on my DSL router is blinking faster than my eyes can refresh. Sep 21 16:43:23 Which means losing a bit of random data off the end of the ext* filesystem. Sep 21 16:43:37 you mean it woulod try to write there ? Sep 21 16:43:54 I mean the partition is shorter than the filesystem. Sep 21 16:43:58 infinity: on the dailies? Sep 21 16:44:00 hmpf Sep 21 16:44:14 after resize or at build time ? Sep 21 16:44:14 brandini: Mmhmm. Sep 21 16:44:26 EXT4-fs (sdb2): bad geometry: block count 897024 exceeds size of device (897008 blocks) Sep 21 16:44:29 Build time. Sep 21 16:44:33 bah Sep 21 16:44:35 After resize, it's "fine". Sep 21 16:44:37 I notice it more with 16G SD. Not sure but could be layout related. Sep 21 16:44:39 Because it re-fits it. Sep 21 16:44:40 that's why all my daily attempts fail :( Sep 21 16:44:51 But that still means it's missing a tiny bit of data, and we have no idea what. :) Sep 21 16:44:58 me too, my 32GB SD works and my 16 doesnt :( Sep 21 16:45:14 infinity, given that we add 50M spare space .... Sep 21 16:45:22 ogra_: Err, where? Sep 21 16:45:28 chances are good its just empty space Sep 21 16:45:32 brandini: If you are trying daily-preinstalled this week, it fails for a whole lot of reasons. Next build "should" be better. Sep 21 16:45:38 infinity, in the TI contract :) Sep 21 16:45:40 ogra_: Oh, you mean on the livefs itself. Sep 21 16:46:03 infinity, i originally added 50M to the post-boot scripts, if thats not there anymore, ask who removed it Sep 21 16:46:04 ogra_: Still, the partition being short for the FS is broken. :P Sep 21 16:46:09 sure Sep 21 16:46:26 ogra_: Wait. No, I'm confused. You're adding 50M padding to the partition, or to the filesystems? Sep 21 16:46:35 but if the overlap is for empty space and the partitioning is fine after install, thats not a biggie Sep 21 16:46:38 ogra_: Cause I see no padding on the partitions. Sep 21 16:46:45 to the fs indeed Sep 21 16:46:48 Which is sort of the problem.. Sep 21 16:46:54 GrueMaster: :( Sep 21 16:46:55 so TI can modify the panda images for blaze Sep 21 16:47:12 well, the 50M are added before the partitions are created Sep 21 16:47:56 iirc we are creating an img file with 50M more than the chroo occupies Sep 21 16:48:00 ogra_: I must be missing where that happens. Sep 21 16:48:00 *chroot Sep 21 16:48:19 ogra_: Or it doesn't anymore. :P Sep 21 16:48:20 should be in post-boot Sep 21 16:48:31 I've been staring at post-boot for the last day. Sep 21 16:48:36 that might be, i havent touched the omap/omap4 script in a release Sep 21 16:48:44 Though, mostly that one block of shell arithmetic. Sep 21 16:48:48 sounds like more craknschpiel. Sep 21 16:48:48 That I think is off by a block. Sep 21 16:48:52 i think only NCommander did Sep 21 16:50:18 the 50M are essential though Sep 21 16:50:31 so I should use the 11.04 release instead? Sep 21 16:51:07 Current oneiric server images seem fine. Sep 21 16:51:18 Keep in mind that some cards will just hate you, too. :P Sep 21 16:51:22 :) Sep 21 16:51:25 they all do! Sep 21 16:52:00 infinity, oh, might be that we did it in livefs.sh, not in post-processing code Sep 21 16:52:05 * ogra_ chaks livecd-rootfs Sep 21 16:53:24 ogra_: That would make more sense, if the goal is to have a bigger FS. Sep 21 16:53:35 ogra_: Since a bigger partition doesn't actually give you a bigger filesystem. :) Sep 21 16:53:36 yes Sep 21 16:53:44 I really wish I could boot off my usb drive Sep 21 16:54:19 livefs_ext2() Sep 21 16:54:19 { Sep 21 16:54:19 # Add 1024MiB extra free space for first boot + ext3 journal + swapfile Sep 21 16:54:19 size=$(($(du -ks ${ROOT} | cut -f1) + (1024000))) Sep 21 16:54:23 there it is Sep 21 16:54:49 no idea why thats not 50M anymore Sep 21 16:55:38 infinity, oh, btw, are we still properly creating the swapfile in live-build ? else beagle C4 wont work anymore Sep 21 16:55:53 * ogra_ just noticed we moved that into livecd.sh Sep 21 16:57:23 I doubt it. Sep 21 16:57:25 (C4 will OOM if you try to run desktop and have no swap) Sep 21 16:57:42 But nothing there was turning it on either... Sep 21 16:57:50 jasper does Sep 21 16:58:00 Then jasper can create it too? Sep 21 16:58:01 it also used to create the file Sep 21 16:58:12 but that adds 10.15 min to the jasper run Sep 21 16:58:17 10-15 Sep 21 16:58:20 Eh? Sep 21 16:58:23 It should be instant. Sep 21 16:58:27 no Sep 21 16:58:35 you have to dd 512MB Sep 21 16:58:46 You can dd it sparse. Sep 21 16:58:48 sawpfiles cant have zeros Sep 21 16:58:55 or holes Sep 21 16:59:13 mkswap will refuse to use it, try it Sep 21 16:59:34 (ignore that i said zeros above :) ) Sep 21 17:02:40 root@vishnu:~# time dd if=/dev/zero of=test.swp bs=512 count=0 seek=1048576 Sep 21 17:02:40 0+0 records in Sep 21 17:02:41 0+0 records out Sep 21 17:02:41 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 6.2626e-05 s, 0.0 kB/s Sep 21 17:02:41 real 0m0.011s Sep 21 17:02:43 user 0m0.000s Sep 21 17:02:49 sys 0m0.000s Sep 21 17:02:49 root@vishnu:~# time mkswap test.swp Sep 21 17:02:51 mkswap: test.swp: warning: don't erase bootbits sectors on whole disk. Use -f to force. Sep 21 17:02:54 Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 524284 KiB Sep 21 17:02:56 no label, UUID=87833675-2023-43d1-83a8-63afbd948484 Sep 21 17:02:59 real 0m1.531s Sep 21 17:03:01 user 0m0.000s Sep 21 17:03:04 sys 0m0.010s Sep 21 17:03:06 ogra_: ^--- Not seeing a problem. Sep 21 17:03:08 swapon ? Sep 21 17:03:24 Oh. :P Sep 21 17:03:31 You said mkswap would refuse to use it. ;) Sep 21 17:03:37 * ogra_ would have been surprised :) Sep 21 17:03:48 sorry, its a year ago i had to do with it ... Sep 21 17:03:56 so it was swapon Sep 21 17:04:05 i just know it doesnt work Sep 21 17:04:32 That's a bit silly, given that I can create files on a filesystem on a loopback device with holes. Sep 21 17:04:48 In fact, I could create a swapfile on a filesystem on a loopback with holes, and it would work! Sep 21 17:04:56 well, swapon would refuse too in that case i bet Sep 21 17:05:03 Nope. Sep 21 17:05:20 (Hint: Our SD card image has "holes") Sep 21 17:05:25 sure Sep 21 17:05:48 the swapfile itself doesnt Sep 21 17:06:06 not sure how that gets handled on fs level if your fs has holes though Sep 21 17:06:24 Well, holes are a temporary inconvenience. Sep 21 17:06:33 The VFS layer masks around sparse files. Sep 21 17:07:01 I can only assume that VMM is doing nasty things to VFS, and they should sit down for a timeout. Sep 21 17:07:55 might be ... Sep 21 17:08:24 Anyhow. That whole swap creation thing has been broken/nonexistant for months (ever since the live-build switch), and no one has complained. :P Sep 21 17:08:35 well, in any case we need to look into that for post beta Sep 21 17:09:16 likely because not even GrueMaster tests desktop on C4 anymore :) Sep 21 17:09:47 That was sort of my point. Sep 21 17:09:50 I haven't tested desktop on much of anything in the last few weeks. Sep 21 17:09:53 I suspect no one tests or uses it. Sep 21 17:10:01 (On that hardware) Sep 21 17:10:02 well, but if we offer images for it, it has to work Sep 21 17:10:11 or we restrict what we support Sep 21 17:10:15 or drop the image Sep 21 17:10:32 We offer images for "omap", we don't specify which boards... Sep 21 17:10:39 * ogra_ wouldnt mind to drop C4 support Sep 21 17:10:45 Can't drop the image. It still supports XM Sep 21 17:10:54 That's like saying Ubuntu Desktop works on every x86 machine (it doesn't). Sep 21 17:11:00 infinity, we offer omap3 images for beagleboards Sep 21 17:11:14 ogra_: Yes, there are lots of beagles that it works on. Sep 21 17:11:16 we need to make clear ^that we dont support C4 imho Sep 21 17:11:21 We can limit what we support, and leave other systems to user discression. Sep 21 17:11:34 especially since the C4 was our only supported TI board for a while Sep 21 17:11:48 XM in, C4 out for desktop. Sep 21 17:11:54 right Sep 21 17:11:58 ogra_: Well, the other option is to have jasper take that 10 minutes to dd a swapfile if (and only if) you're on a C4. Sep 21 17:12:00 needs to go into the release notes Sep 21 17:12:11 * ogra_ will happily see the swapfile crap die Sep 21 17:12:30 infinity: Anything on C4 takes a lot longer than on other platforms. Sep 21 17:12:38 infinity, well, i didnt like that hack when i added it, i dont like it more today :) Sep 21 17:12:43