**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 22 02:59:57 2011 Sep 22 03:01:18 hrmmm, maybe Sep 22 03:27:03 infinity: I need to file a bug on this lack of swap so that it can be added to the release notes and because I may need to fail kubuntu desktop as a result. What should I file against? Sep 22 06:43:19 GrueMaster: livecd-rootfs, I suppose. We can wiggle it around if we have to. Sep 22 09:15:59 * ogra_ runs an ac100 install Sep 22 09:16:02 bbl Sep 22 10:21:49 ogra_: lool: ping Sep 22 10:22:11 i think we found a bug in dkms, how do you recommend that we report it? Sep 22 10:23:43 i sure can report in launchpad, but isn't that better if i report upstream directly? Sep 22 10:28:20 lool: hi. do linaro have access to the secret java tck tests that checks if the arm jvm follows the java specification? Sep 22 10:31:48 ndec: pong Sep 22 10:32:04 ndec: it's best if you report it upstream directly if it affects upstream, yep Sep 22 10:32:21 ndec: you can file it on launchpad as well as a meta-bug tracker to track it upstream, in ubuntu, in your project etc. Sep 22 10:32:29 lool: do you want a LP as well once (if) it's confirmed Sep 22 10:32:30 xranby: no Sep 22 10:32:31 argh.. Sep 22 10:32:43 xranby: at least not that I know of ;-) Sep 22 10:33:11 lool: ok, it would be good if someone with access to it could test the current armel and armhf packages Sep 22 10:33:26 ndec: I don't strongly care about having a LP bug for DKMS personally, up to you :-) Sep 22 10:33:34 lool: jamvm work on armhf.. so its simply up to ubuntu and debian to enable and package it Sep 22 10:33:36 xranby: armel and armhf packages of what? Sep 22 10:33:49 lool: openjdk6 and openjdk7 Sep 22 10:33:59 lool: the problem is that dkms status does not work if the module name has 'kernel' in the name. it was working with 10.10. it's broken in oneric. dkms add, build and install work fine though. but since CDBS will do add, build check with status if build was ok and then install. in 11.10 the module is built but not installed. Sep 22 10:34:23 xranby: so currently openjdk 6 uses jamvm, but it wouldn't work with openjdk 7; this is going to make it a real pain :-/ Sep 22 10:34:48 lool: jamvm can bootstrap itself using openjdk7 Sep 22 10:36:13 xranby: apparently some new opcode and API are missing Sep 22 10:36:24 lool: so everything that work using openjdk6 + jamvm work using openjdk7 + jamvm robert are working on adding the new bytecode that are used by some dynamic languages so we will get support for those as well Sep 22 10:37:18 xranby: Ok; I actually tried contacting Robert a couple of times on this topic, but I didn't manage to reach him Sep 22 14:37:29 hey guys, I've been trying to get ubuntu on a arm board for the last 2 days and had no luck with anything. there is a precompiled version of angstrom that comes with it. Is there anyway of installing / compiling ubuntu on that ? Sep 22 14:45:26 define "a arm board" Sep 22 14:45:28 :) Sep 22 14:45:56 a Technexion Thunderpack Sep 22 14:46:34 what cup is on there ? we only support certain cpu types in ubuntu Sep 22 14:46:44 s/cup/cpu/ Sep 22 14:47:07 OMAP 3530 Sep 22 14:47:21 well, theoretically we have omap3 images Sep 22 14:47:31 but they are built and tested for beagleboard only Sep 22 14:47:56 you could try one of them and see if it works Sep 22 14:48:39 will i have to change the uboot settings ? Sep 22 15:16:38 ogra_: the standard beagle image doesn't work Sep 22 15:31:05 sniperjo_: Try the beagle image with the MLO & u-boot from your system. See if that works. Sep 22 15:31:37 GrueMaster: how do i use my u-boot ? just simply copy it across? Sep 22 15:31:56 I've just tried the standard beagle image and got http://pastebin.com/xGSa9rL4 , couldn't read uImage Sep 22 15:32:47 What you should do is backup the first partition of the SD, reformat (mkfs.vfat -F 32 ), then copy IN ORDER: Your MLO, your u-boot, uImage, uInitrd, boot.scr. Sep 22 15:33:12 That's odd. Sep 22 15:33:58 I'm in a meeting atm. Hang tight and I should be able to help more in ~15-20 minutes. Sep 22 15:34:18 GrueMaster: amazing, thanks ! Sep 22 15:53:34 hi everyone. i want to do some research into querying hardware on arm devices in the absence of lspci Sep 22 15:53:46 is udev still usable? Sep 22 15:54:14 ls /sys Sep 22 16:10:10 sniperjo_: Any progress? Sep 22 16:11:33 GrueMaster: i was sort of waiting your return, but someone in the linux channel had what seemed to me a pretty good idea, put my original linux back onto NAND and then chroot into the sd card to try it Sep 22 16:12:01 janimo: Do you have a comprehensive list of timeout builds for me to shove on to pandas? Sep 22 16:12:23 That works too. If you want to do that, the easiest thing to do would be to pull a copy of ubuntu-core for armel from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com Sep 22 16:13:19 Use that as a base for your chroot. After chrooting to it, run apt-get update and apt-get install tasksel to pull in major package seeds (desktop, etc). Sep 22 16:14:16 ok, i was just following the manual trying to get it back on, i flashed my u boot off a well, how do i get that back on ? at the moment i am just cp -rfa /* /mnt/nand Sep 22 16:14:59 I have no idea. Never used that particular device. Sep 22 16:18:00 thats what the ins ructions say but I'm getting "cp: recursion detected, omitting directory " http://pastebin.com/2mQAEJDX Sep 22 16:23:39 infinity, I have an old list which may be not up to date but I can get you a new one Sep 22 16:27:11 janimo: That would be shiny. Sep 22 16:27:49 the old list in the meantime https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=arm-build-timeout Sep 22 16:28:01 washngo and ants definitely are still there Sep 22 16:28:09 the haskell one is building ATM Sep 22 16:29:32 infinity, yep, all on that list are still valid timeouts Sep 22 16:29:45 just checked Sep 22 16:32:23 since the haskell-src-ext package was given back on gourd which is an old builder it too will fail in about 10 h Sep 22 16:34:38 GrueMaster, does the beagle work with the same power cord as the panda? I do not remember having separate cables for it, but I am being extra careful now in light of recent....events Sep 22 16:34:50 it sure fits in the jack :D Sep 22 16:35:16 yes. Both work off the same power, as does the mx5 (conveniently). Sep 22 16:36:33 janimo: Also, is there a bug for the mx5 kernel issue? Sep 22 16:36:58 infinity, yes, jcrigby is on it Sep 22 16:37:18 janimo: (I was looking for a bug number) Sep 22 16:37:37 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-linaro-lt-mx5/+bug/856432 Sep 22 16:37:41 Ubuntu bug 856432 in linux-linaro-lt-mx5 "FFE: Enable CONFIG_LBDAF so mx5 image boots fine on EXT4 rootfs" [Undecided,New] Sep 22 16:37:50 janimo: Danke. Sep 22 16:38:05 jcrigby, infinity says thanks Sep 22 16:38:08 :) Sep 22 16:38:10 janimo, all TI boards use the same plug and 5v (different amps for different models though) Sep 22 16:38:35 5 v == 5 v Sep 22 16:38:47 * janimo betrays his deep understanding of all things electronic Sep 22 16:38:50 * ogra_ remembers that with babbage they even changed within one production line Sep 22 16:38:59 jcrigby / janimo: You people need nicks with different first characters. Sep 22 16:39:08 and its fun if you plug your 19v into a 12v board Sep 22 16:39:32 infinity, at least with different colors Sep 22 16:39:41 ogra_, I had my share of such fun for this dev cycle Sep 22 16:39:47 yeah, i saw Sep 22 16:39:48 :( Sep 22 16:39:56 I saw _and_ smelled Sep 22 16:40:03 last time we had such a disaster it was jamie bennett Sep 22 16:40:13 beginning with a j too Sep 22 16:40:17 who did exactly what i wrote above Sep 22 16:40:28 (19V inot a 12V board) Sep 22 16:41:03 the bad thing was that the PSUs looked all the same you could only tell them apart by reading the fineprint on the sticker Sep 22 16:41:15 smart boards would use 12 of that for powering and 7 v for fancy effects on the leds Sep 22 16:41:35 Thankfully, my ac100 and S10-3 seem to not mind me accidentall confusing their 19V and 20V PSUs (which makes sense, I'm sure their tolerance is wider than that), cause I do that constantly. Sep 22 16:41:52 heh Sep 22 16:42:07 ogra_: hey, you got a url link to ubuntu console image for panda? Sep 22 16:42:29 prpplague, natty headless you mean ? Sep 22 16:42:33 ogra_: yea Sep 22 16:42:53 Down with headless, up with server! Sep 22 16:42:57 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/release/ Sep 22 16:43:12 prpplague, ^^ Sep 22 16:43:18 infinity, ++ Sep 22 16:43:19 thanks Sep 22 16:44:00 infinity, though for panda having minimal headless might make sense once we have real server HW and dont need to abuse pandas Sep 22 16:44:32 ogra_: just need something to do a quick test with Sep 22 16:44:32 ogra_: Other than the pool, they're pretty much the same thing anyway. So, it's just a bit of wasted disk space. That doesn't hurt my feelings. Sep 22 16:44:37 if we get extra headcount or so Sep 22 16:45:34 ogra_: But once we have "real server hardware", we could just blank the pool on the cell phone subarches, and a -server build on, say, omap4 or mx5 would end up being "headless". Sep 22 16:45:48 yeah Sep 22 16:46:20 well, what people asked for (which resulted in headless) was a tiny dev image you could download quickly Sep 22 16:46:30 I'm sort of dreaming of a day when we stop shipping for cell phone dev boards, but what are the odds that will ever happen? Sep 22 16:46:51 so dropping the pool on the non server arches sounds like a good idea if we actually want to keep that image type at all for these boards Sep 22 16:47:10 ogra_: With any luck, a combination of ubuntu-core and a quick tutorial on applying hwpacks should satisfy the need for "tiny". Sep 22 16:47:14 ogra_: I'm hoping. Sep 22 16:47:16 well, we have one netbook arch too :) Sep 22 16:47:21 is there a posted schedule for 11.10 ? Sep 22 16:47:28 * ogra_ hasnt seen tegra cellphones yet Sep 22 16:47:37 ogra_: My phone is a Tegra2. Sep 22 16:47:54 prpplague, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule Sep 22 16:48:03 pick your release :) Sep 22 16:48:12 infinity, oh, really ? Sep 22 16:48:21 ogra_: http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/LG-P999.jsp Sep 22 16:48:24 you got one of these hybrid motorolas ? Sep 22 16:48:27 ah Sep 22 16:48:33 that quite new Sep 22 16:48:39 * prpplague is totally frustrated with trying to keep up with android and ubuntu for panda Sep 22 16:48:40 Motorola Atrix has been out for quite a while now with the Tegra 2. Sep 22 16:48:40 i guess i'm behind :) Sep 22 16:48:55 prpplague, drop android, nobody uses it anyway :P Sep 22 16:49:03 Droid 3 has the omap4 processor. Sep 22 16:49:09 GrueMaster, well, thats a pocket-desktop ... not a phone Sep 22 16:49:27 now I'm getting a kernel panic "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" Sep 22 16:49:28 It's a smart phone with a clamshell docing station. Sep 22 16:49:37 *docking Sep 22 16:49:47 well, you said the same just differently phrased :) Sep 22 16:49:56 sniperjo_: Is this with your stock image? Sep 22 16:50:19 * prpplague wonders why this schedule info is not posted on pandaboard.org and omapedia.org Sep 22 16:51:15 GrueMaster: yes, http://pastebin.com/LsQe2D85 if you have a look near the end it i asking me to correct the boot option Sep 22 16:51:27 GrueMaster: and I'm confused! Sep 22 16:51:28 prpplague, yeah, at least until 2014 ... Sep 22 16:51:37 then we need new schedules :) Sep 22 16:52:14 ogra_: yea, well as you are aware, i normally do board bringup and validation, lately i've been getting hammered on the lists and channels about ubuntu and android support Sep 22 16:52:39 well, point them here or to the ubuntu-devel ML Sep 22 16:52:47 if you cant handle the load Sep 22 16:54:49 sniperjo_: I am not sure how much I can help as I don't have that hw or image. If you followed all the steps to get it back to stock, it should work. Sep 22 16:55:46 GrueMaster: ill give it all another go, you think this is the best way to get ubuntu running on it ? instead of changing the beagle settings Sep 22 16:56:26 ogra_: not only can i not handle the load, it isn't my area of expertise Sep 22 16:56:41 I honestly don't know. I haven't had much of a chance to work on ubuntu on non-supported systems. It should work though. Sep 22 16:57:21 prpplague: By all means, pass all ubuntu related questions to us. I regularly monitor the pandaboard mailing list, and respond where I can. Sep 22 16:58:05 GrueMaster: is there anyone that can update the omapedia.org wiki pages for ubuntu related stuff? Sep 22 16:58:21 prpplague, someone from omappedia i guess :) Sep 22 16:58:35 ogra_: hehe which means no one Sep 22 16:58:38 I suppose I can help (as time allows), but I don't know if I have write access. Sep 22 16:58:52 GrueMaster: public wiki Sep 22 16:59:18 http://omapedia.org/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Main Sep 22 16:59:40 Ok. Will add to my never-ending todo list. Sep 22 17:00:31 GrueMaster: main issues are people are confused about which versions are supported, which ones have PPA's , which ones have wifi support, and what the future releases are going to have Sep 22 17:01:20 GrueMaster: i'd be willing to spring for a pandaboard to someone who would keep the ubuntu stuff uptodate on omapedia.org Sep 22 17:01:23 usually all the same versions as all other arches modulo LTS are supported Sep 22 17:01:44 thats why we are ubuntu-arm and not linaro ;) Sep 22 17:01:48 Right, ok. I can help clarify that. Part of the problem we have is making releases work with new board changes, but we have been proactively trying to stay on top of that. Sep 22 17:02:06 GrueMaster: yea it is more of a communication issue Sep 22 17:02:25 So having new boards that change stuff would be nice. Sep 22 17:02:56 I just got an A3 last Friday for example. No issues with Oneiric, but haven't tested the other releases yet. Sep 22 17:03:02 GrueMaster: yea, all of the A1 to A3 should be pretty much the same, the A4's will have a few tweaks Sep 22 17:03:10 GrueMaster: ahh Sep 22 17:03:35 a4 has the next gen SoC ? Sep 22 17:03:41 4460 or so ? Sep 22 17:03:42 A4 tweaks? We need to know how that affects us asap for Oneiric release support. Sep 22 17:03:44 ogra_: ES2.3 of the 4430 Sep 22 17:03:50 ah Sep 22 17:04:05 GrueMaster, didnt we just discuss that in the meeting ? Sep 22 17:04:13 in the linaro topic Sep 22 17:04:23 only major item is the pullup resistors on the edid signals Sep 22 17:04:24 not sure if prpplague was in the meeting. Sep 22 17:04:32 no Sep 22 17:04:37 can the beagle board with the extension board (RS232, eth) output uboot/kernel boot messages on said serial console Sep 22 17:04:38 ? Sep 22 17:04:54 GrueMaster, he surely wasnt ... only people paid to get up that early come Sep 22 17:04:55 :) Sep 22 17:05:10 janimo: You mean the zippy board? Sep 22 17:05:17 janimo: the standard uart on the beagleboard cna be used for kernel output Sep 22 17:05:34 prpplague, and on the zippy ? Sep 22 17:05:43 prpplague, standard uart needs some type of connector I don't have. I have null modem cable only Sep 22 17:06:05 GrueMaster, BeagleBuddy Zippy rev-A Sep 22 17:06:22 janimo: the zippy can not be used as the console without modifying the code, you need to get the correct cable Sep 22 17:06:41 I have one, but haven't tested it yet. Need to add a header to my beagle for it to mount. Sep 22 17:06:49 prpplague, so there's no kernel cmdline option to switch to that? Sep 22 17:07:00 hahaha Sep 22 17:07:03 janimo: no Sep 22 17:07:04 this is how I got my beagle Sep 22 17:07:14 that is sad. How is that port used then? Sep 22 17:07:56 janimo: http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16144&cat=0&page=1&featured Sep 22 17:07:57 I hope the hdmi output works at least Sep 22 17:08:09 prpplague, I am not buying more cables :) Sep 22 17:08:22 hdmi? on a zippy? Sep 22 17:08:24 I have enough cruft already that confuses me :) Sep 22 17:08:29 GrueMaster, on the beagle Sep 22 17:08:42 DVI on a HDMI slot Sep 22 17:08:48 On the beagle it works fine. Sep 22 17:09:05 I can bring you a serial cable for your beagle to UDS. Sep 22 17:09:07 janimo: well without the cable you have very little chance of actually getting things working proplery Sep 22 17:09:07 at least if you dont have a zippy connected :) Sep 22 17:09:23 ok, thanks. bye bye people, I am plugging this monitor into the beagle to test daily :) Sep 22 17:10:06 * janimo hopes desktop image starts up on the monitoe fine Sep 22 17:10:08 janimo: daily desktop will fail misserably due to no swap file. Sep 22 17:10:42 Lots of oom errors (showing up as pager errors). Sep 22 17:10:50 yeah, we had that before Sep 22 17:11:20 * ogra_ remembers fiddling with compcache like crazy to get plars some working images back in the days Sep 22 17:11:37 that was before we dicided for a swap file Sep 22 17:17:41 GrueMaster, hmm thanks. I'll try something else the now Sep 22 17:18:23 I'll fire mine up shortly. I can swap it in place of the mx5 for now. Sep 22 17:19:00 FYI: for anyone interested, i am willing to provide a free pandaboard to anyone who will spend some time updating the omapedia.org wiki pages for ubuntu support Sep 22 17:32:25 prpplague: sweet :-) Sep 22 17:34:01 I think for ease of documenting, it would be better to have omappedia point to wiki.ubuntu.com as we have to keep our own set of documentation and I try to keep it uptodate with current release info. Sep 22 17:34:20 +1 Sep 22 17:34:42 Otherwise there are two sets of docs that can get out of sync really fast. Sep 22 17:35:17 what good is a wiki if it isnt 90% falsehood and lies :-) Sep 22 17:35:37 but that does basically mean a free pandaboard for some deletes and a link :-) Sep 22 17:36:07 We have wiki.ubuntu.com for that. :P Sep 22 17:46:02 ogra_: hmm, yeah I vaguely remember that Sep 22 17:57:57 GrueMaster: is the documentation there panda specific? Sep 22 17:58:50 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP Sep 22 17:59:03 Covers both beagle & panda Sep 22 17:59:06 And a few others Sep 22 18:05:48 GrueMaster: hmm, i'll have to check with jay Sep 22 18:10:14 GrueMaster: i am almost tempted to change the link to your wiki pages for now Sep 22 18:10:32 Give in to temptation. Sep 22 18:14:22 janimo: Booting preinst-server on my beagle. No problems so far (other than lack of network). Sep 22 18:15:03 Could be that it doesn't care for my zippy or I missed a few pins while soldering. Or the kernel just doesn't know about it (u-boot detected it). Sep 22 18:15:58 GrueMaster: most likely it doesn't know about it Sep 22 18:16:22 Not sure. Have to seen my soldering skills? :P Sep 22 18:16:52 I've never seen you solder, but I've seen you, in general. I'm not sure you'd be my first choice to perform delicate work. Sep 22 18:17:02 Just sayin'. :P Sep 22 18:17:28 hehe Sep 22 18:17:38 Just because I had a role in Disney's Fantasia in a previous life... Sep 22 18:17:54 GrueMaster: As the wave chasing Mickey? Sep 22 18:18:20 More the hippo in the pink tutu. Sep 22 18:18:37 Oh god, the mental image. Sep 22 18:18:39 Get it out. Sep 22 18:19:04 Is noon too early to start drinking heavily? Sep 22 18:19:19 Why wait til noon? Sep 22 18:19:26 Cause that's what time it is. :P Sep 22 18:19:39 If could go back in time and be drunk before you made that comment, I would. Sep 22 18:21:25 GrueMaster: hmm there isn;t a link for the 10.10 download Sep 22 18:22:06 GrueMaster: found it, but it isn't on the page Sep 22 18:22:20 grmbl. Must have been deleted. Sep 22 18:22:24 * GrueMaster fixes. Sep 22 18:24:54 There. Fixed that link. Sep 22 18:25:28 I've copied my sd / to a mount with mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4, so i can boot off NAND, so i should be trying to do something like setenv bootargs root=/dev/mtdblock4 in u-boot right ? Sep 22 18:26:36 sniperjo_: I really do not know how that system comes preconfigured or how to revert to stock. I did find documentation at http://www.technexion.com/index.php/support-center/downloads/ti-cpu-modules/tao-3530/549-tao-3530-userguide-0953 Sep 22 18:27:13 GrueMaster: i am just going to go ahead and change the omapedia pages to point ubuntu Sep 22 18:27:21 Without hardware, our support is limited to ubuntu pool issues. Sep 22 18:27:50 prpplague: Ok. I still need to copy the Maverick Known Issues over to our wiki. Will work on that now. Sep 22 18:28:02 GrueMaster: yeah, Im following that documentation now, from what it looks like, couldn't this just be u-boot not having the proper root ? seeing as it boots the kernal Sep 22 18:28:51 It appears to be a cmdline issue or maybe rootfs on the wrong nand partition. Not sure. Sep 22 18:30:16 GrueMaster: I've followed the instructions, putting it in the correct NAND act… or at least i am pretty sure i have Sep 22 18:30:50 are there some folks about that would be willing to sponsor / comment on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libjpeg-turbo ? would like to get this into universe for oneiric Sep 22 18:32:24 GrueMaster: lucid isn't listed on that page, are we not doing direct support for that? Sep 22 18:32:53 prpplague: Lucid was a tech preview for beagle only. Not supported. Sep 22 18:33:10 First officially supported image for omap was Maverick. Sep 22 18:33:25 GrueMaster: ahh ok Sep 22 18:37:44 GrueMaster: nitpick time, since the headless download is on the same page as the netbook, shouldn't the url point to the same location on both? Sep 22 18:37:53 GrueMaster: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/release/ Sep 22 18:38:23 I can't move the images around on cdimage, but I can add the link to the wiki. Sep 22 18:40:11 GrueMaster: He means that the headless link on ARM/OMAP doesn't have the /release/ bit at the end. Sep 22 18:40:26 Thankfully, it's a wiki. :P Sep 22 18:40:58 prpplague: Fixed. Sep 22 18:41:25 GrueMaster: ok, so I'm going to drop the put the old back into NAND and chroot, when i try to use the beagle image i get an error , Unsupported machine 0x0000060a, supported machines : 00000b14, would i be able to change those two values somewhere and give the beagle sdcard a go ? Sep 22 18:41:36 prpplague: You should be able to fix such minor things yourself too (and, please do!) Sep 22 18:41:54 infinity: i @#$^% up enough stuff....... Sep 22 18:42:10 Heh. Sep 22 18:42:30 11.04 and 10.10 need to do anything for wifi support, i.e. install a ppa? Sep 22 18:42:35 Sadly, none of us are (even remotely) technical writers, so this stuff only gets written through sheer force of will. More community involvement in that is always nice. Sep 22 18:42:35 sniperjo_: Where is this error? u-boot or kernel? Sep 22 18:43:12 infinity: indeed, same issue here Sep 22 18:43:14 GrueMaster: it appears after "Starting Kernel…." Sep 22 18:43:23 prpplague: Not sure on 10.10. May be ppa. 11.04 just works (on desktop images). Sep 22 18:43:34 infinity: i have begged TI to hire wmat on to do some of this stuff Sep 22 18:43:52 sniperjo_: So our kernel doesn't support your system. Use your kernel and our rootfs. Sep 22 18:44:00 prpplague: I would kill to have a tech writer at my beck and call. Sep 22 18:44:32 infinity: wmat is awesome Sep 22 18:44:38 prpplague: People don't seem to grasp the concept that programmers may know how to explain things to other technical people, but we often lack the skills (and almost always lack the motivation) to explain it to others. Sep 22 18:44:41 GrueMaster: ok how ? can you send me in the right direction ? Sep 22 18:44:51 infinity: indeed Sep 22 18:45:13 I thought I had earlier. Use the ubuntu-core-armel image as your rootfs. Sep 22 18:46:19 I'm not sure if we have instructions for working on non-supported systems. Sep 22 18:46:32 And it really is a bit beyond my area of expertise. Sep 22 18:46:45 GrueMaster: you were telling me earlier how to download it and chroot in after, but i can't do that now Sep 22 18:48:46 sniperjo_: Follow the instructions for your system on buuting from SD, except use our ubuntu-core-armel tarball for your rootfs. Sep 22 18:48:58 *booting Sep 22 18:49:26 http://omapedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Pre-built_Binaries_Guide Sep 22 18:49:31 GrueMaster: can i just copy across the files in the boot from my stock to the beagle boot sd ? Sep 22 18:50:12 Not easily, as our image does a lot of first boot stuff that is in the initramfs. Sep 22 18:50:33 And it is really a process for me to try to walk you through mucking that whole mess together. Sep 22 18:50:45 Best to start with ubuntu-core and build from there. Sep 22 18:51:33 ok will do Sep 22 18:51:34 prpplague: http://omapedia.org/wiki/Prebuilt_ubuntu_binaries might want to point to dailies for both desktop (the link you have there) and server ( http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/ ) Sep 22 18:52:38 infinity: will do Sep 22 18:53:27 prpplague: I'm going to have to bow out of more wiki editing this week as I have no glasses (broke last week). I'll have replacements next week and can happily wiki away then. Sep 22 18:53:28 prpplague: You could probably also replace the very complex minicom setup page with "install screen and type 'screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200'" Sep 22 18:53:50 prpplague: screen's terminal emulation seems to agree slightly more with debian-installer than minicom (and it's a ton easier) Sep 22 18:54:02 GrueMaster: np Sep 22 18:54:36 infinity: is that already documented on the ubuntu wiki? Sep 22 18:54:49 prpplague: Dunno. Sep 22 18:54:54 GrueMaster: ^? Sep 22 18:55:33 Yeah, it is. Sep 22 18:55:41 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPHeadlessInstall#Booting_the_image Sep 22 19:00:34 Man, I'd give good money for the omap4 kernel to be about 99% less spammy in dmesg. Sep 22 19:00:52 hehe Sep 22 19:01:14 infinity: funny, i usually change the default message level to be as noisy as possible, hehe Sep 22 19:09:55 GrueMaster: Oh, datapoint for you, jasper (and the images in general) still work great on my 32G card. Sep 22 19:10:12 GrueMaster: So, people having issues with "large cards" earlier were having issues with specific ones, not largeness in general. Sep 22 19:10:15 k Sep 22 19:10:23 (Just re-installed server on my 32G Lexar) Sep 22 19:10:44 Being a large guy, I didn't think the issue was general. Sep 22 19:10:53 ;) Sep 22 19:13:35 Okay, so the last time ogra tested this whole "make a swapfile from jasper" thing, he must have been using some seriously bad media. Sep 22 19:13:45 He said it took 10-20 minutes? Sep 22 19:13:53 536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 28.4706 s, 18.9 MB/s Sep 22 19:14:00 30 seconds seems reasonable to me. Sep 22 19:14:54 Maybe this is due to the ext4 bump. Sep 22 19:15:15 I'm reminded of the bizarre benchmarks that showed ext4 being nearly 4x faster than ext3 for many/most write patterns on SD/MMC. Sep 22 19:15:35 But do we really want to add it to jasper? Sep 22 19:15:58 I dunno. Creating swap is something installers should do, not something we should ship in the image. Sep 22 19:15:59 I thought the idea was to kill it with a titanium spork Sep 22 19:16:13 The only reason we shipped it in the image was because it was apparently "too slow" to do it real-time. Sep 22 19:16:27 True, but we have no installer. Sep 22 19:16:36 When we kill jasper (or, rather, move it to d-i proper), d-i itself can and does make swap. Sep 22 19:16:46 For now, our "installer" is jasper. Sep 22 19:16:52 That is, installer-type hacks have to go there. Sep 22 19:17:02 When you do netinstalls, you get swap. Sep 22 19:17:06 Right, but we also found that a swap partition on SD is worse than a swap file. Sep 22 19:17:09 Or, you get offered, anyway. Sep 22 19:17:18 d-i can do files too. Sep 22 19:17:33 It can? Cool. Sep 22 19:17:43 Yeah. it's just not the default option. Sep 22 19:18:07 We could certainly hack those bits to suggest a file if you're on MMC. Sep 22 19:18:15 Though I'm really curious about those benchmarks, and how they came to be. Sep 22 19:18:29 On a journalling FS, swapping to files should, generally, be slower than partitions. Sep 22 19:19:25 I don't think performance was the issue. Not sure. Sep 22 19:20:07 Anyhow. I view pretty much all of this as evil PoC hacks anyway. Sep 22 19:20:24 Running a full-featured distro on SD/MMC is just silly. Sep 22 19:20:26 GrueMaster, is the beagle supposed to support the zippy ethernet in natty? Sep 22 19:20:39 all my hw is broken for one reason or another :( Sep 22 19:20:53 janimo: Set it on fire, that seemed to help your Panda. Sep 22 19:21:01 janimo: Not sure, never tested. I just got a zippy when NCommander cleaned out his car. Sep 22 19:21:16 while I am sure it will help the beagle - but not my situation Sep 22 19:22:04 did I mention I hate hardware? Sep 22 19:22:12 It's come up. Sep 22 19:22:15 I am really wondering if I am in the right team Sep 22 19:22:17 To be fair, it seems mutual. Sep 22 19:22:43 my microsoft keybaord loves me and that too is mutual Sep 22 19:22:44 janimo: Apply for the next desktop opening? :) Sep 22 19:22:52 It isn't part of the default hardware, so I am less inclined to care. Sep 22 19:22:53 but all this crazy SoCs, brrr Sep 22 19:23:33 I woulnd't care either - I even proposed taking my beagle to one of the conferences this year to give it to someone who can use it. Sep 22 19:23:49 and now when I need it, the first time since I have it, it does not have ethernet Sep 22 19:23:54 oh well Sep 22 19:24:03 Not saying it isn't a useful product, I just don't have the resources to test all addon hardware as well as the base systems. Sep 22 19:24:32 I use usb ethernet to test with on it. Sep 22 19:24:52 I am not expecting are asking you to test it, just that you are the default go-to source with ubuntu on arm suppott questions Sep 22 19:25:13 having the largest number of ARM SoCs per ft^2 in your house or something Sep 22 19:25:13 Cakk Sep 22 19:25:21 Call in 6 or so Sep 22 19:25:29 davidm: -ECHAN Sep 22 19:26:24 yep my bad Sep 22 19:26:29 infinity, desktop team does to much packaging and fighting with autoconf. That I hate more than broken hw Sep 22 19:27:08 janimo: Perhapsa lovely new career in botany? Sep 22 19:27:21 actually gardening was on my mind after writing that last sentence Sep 22 19:27:30 too bad I don't really like flowers Sep 22 19:28:18 I need to listen to some good music to cheer me up. I know a good source of elevator music Sep 22 19:28:24 * janimo exits stage right Sep 22 19:35:12 GrueMaster: so when i have downloaded the headless image and dd'd it to the sdcard, what am i supposed to do after ? copy my /boot from the sd card that boots? Sep 22 19:47:12 I run Ubuntu 10.10 on pandaboard. freshly installed, added ppa:tiomap-dev then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade Sep 22 19:48:10 however, I can't install the ubuntu-omap4-extras package, because ubuntu-omap4-extras-multimedia and ...-extras-connectivity "are not going to be installed" Sep 22 19:48:25 why that? what's wrong with the system? Sep 22 19:52:42 GrueMaster: here is one of those items ----> sauerbraten Sep 22 19:53:15 see prpplague ? :P Sep 22 19:53:35 sauerbraten: I'll take a look in a bit (maybe tomorrow). I am still wrapped up with oneiric Beta 2 release testing. Sep 22 19:53:59 take a look in where? Sep 22 19:54:03 Can you try Natty (11.04) instead? I recommend it over Maverick. Sep 22 19:54:17 GrueMaster, the TI video drivers don't work there Sep 22 19:54:26 no 720p/1080p :( Sep 22 19:54:31 sauerbraten: I will try to reproduce the issue here and see why it fails. Sep 22 19:55:07 GrueMaster: is that the cause that the TI sgx doesn't work for 11.04? Sep 22 19:55:16 It worked before. Not sure what chaned, unless someone at TI deleted files in the ppa. Sep 22 19:55:34 on maverick. Sep 22 19:55:54 the strange thing is, just yesterday I was said to use maverick and it should be fine. The guy used 10.10 at a demo just couple of days ago :/ Sep 22 19:55:58 On natty, I'm not sure. I have been wrapped up in server stack pipe cleaning since May. Sep 22 19:56:33 * GrueMaster desparately needs to find lunch and resume beta testing. Will look at tomorrow. Sep 22 19:56:57 well, I tracked the error of extras-multimedia down to libmp4v2-0 I believe. Though there is no such package in my repos Sep 22 19:57:17 alright GrueMaster take your time ;) Sep 22 19:57:40 GrueMaster: by the way, the headless image was the same, diddnt like it because it wasn't a beagle Sep 22 19:57:43 sauerbraten: ppa's and updates are pushed all the time, so breakage happens Sep 22 19:58:43 btw, is it important to use the panda A2 specific MLO and u-boot.bin? I don't use them atm Sep 22 19:58:54 what exactly do they change? RAM usage? Sep 22 19:59:30 sauerbraten: are you seeing some instructions that tell you about an a2 panda mlo and u-boot? Sep 22 19:59:58 yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall Sep 22 20:01:19 sauerbraten: that is strickly to update some items for the board id and cpu id Sep 22 20:01:26 sauerbraten: no major changes per se Sep 22 20:05:50 prpplague, ok so I'll stick with this version Sep 22 20:06:35 sauerbraten: do you have an a1 board? Sep 22 20:07:05 no, A2 Sep 22 20:07:20 sauerbraten: right, so make sure you use the a2 mlo and u-boot Sep 22 20:07:35 so, is it important now or not? Sep 22 20:07:43 np major changes per se --> not so important Sep 22 20:07:47 *no Sep 22 20:08:07 sauerbraten: yes you need to use the correct mlo and u-boot for the board revision Sep 22 20:08:27 hence the instructions Sep 22 20:08:31