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Oct 04 10:48:23 <ogra_> infinity, hmm, instead of the mkdir you added to jasper we should instead add a dep on app-install-data which creates that dir
Oct 04 10:49:43 <infinity> ogra_: No, you should instead be using the ti-omap4-software-channel package you created and forgot about. :P
Oct 04 10:49:53 <ogra_> heh
Oct 04 10:49:55 <infinity> ogra_: But at this point, what's in jasper works, and I don't want to touch it.
Oct 04 10:50:04 <ogra_> well, emmet wanted to work on it back a release
Oct 04 10:50:16 <infinity> ogra_: The mkdir wasn't a fix anyway, it was just paranoia.  Never copy without a destination.
Oct 04 10:50:23 <infinity> ogra_: The fix was the last line in the function.
Oct 04 10:50:26 <ogra_> sure
Oct 04 10:50:30 <ogra_> yep, saw that
Oct 04 10:50:44 <ogra_> and thanks !
Oct 04 10:51:12 <infinity> Landing an apt fix today to make update-apt-xapian-index less vicous on ARM.
Oct 04 10:51:33 <ogra_> wohoo
Oct 04 10:51:37 <infinity> And after that, unless I can reproduce some Tobin-only issues, I think we're running out of things we can reasonably fix in this cycle.
Oct 04 10:51:48 <ogra_> banshee :)
Oct 04 10:52:01 <ogra_> we could stare at it as a team :)
Oct 04 10:52:21 <ogra_> watching it die ...
Oct 04 10:54:28 <xranby> ogra_: who does it die?  somebody know?
Oct 04 10:54:46 <xranby> im observing it dying as well
Oct 04 10:55:31 <ogra_> xranby, no, we dont know yet, suspicion is that its a mono SMP issue, NCommander has some experience with that and looks into it, i'm sure he would appreciate some help
Oct 04 10:58:39 <xranby> ogra_: kind of odd since it works fine on i386 smp systems
Oct 04 10:59:32 <xranby> it do throw a nice exception on arm
Oct 04 11:02:33 <xranby> NCommander: this are what i see when i startup banshee http://paste.ubuntu.com/702190/    have you filed a bugreport for this to work on  ?
Oct 04 11:05:07 <ogra_> yes
Oct 04 11:13:06 <ppisati> why my panda is aking me for the "ubuntu" user password?
Oct 04 11:15:15 <ogra_> ppisati, bug i guess
Oct 04 11:17:04 <ppisati> "Failed to summon the GConf demon; exiting.  Failed to activate configuration server: Failed to execute program /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgconf2-4/gconfd-2: Success"
Oct 04 11:17:11 <ppisati> ?!?!?
Oct 04 11:17:25 <ogra_> sounds like a readonly FS or full disk
Oct 04 11:18:38 <ppisati> /dev/sda1             459G   14G  422G   4% /
Oct 04 11:18:40 <ppisati> nope :)
Oct 04 11:19:54 <ogra_> well, asking for a ubuntu user and pw doesnt look like you used one of our images, we definitely never create such a user anywhere
Oct 04 11:21:08 <ppisati> that's a... natty? installation upgraded recently to O
Oct 04 11:21:14 <ppisati> anyway, let's see...
Oct 04 15:13:28 <ogra_> NCommander, how are you progressing on banshee ? any insight yet ? (we need to make a decision by thu about what we ship=
Oct 04 15:13:29 <ogra_> )
Oct 04 15:28:23 <GrueMaster> ogra_: I did some extensive testing with rhythmbox and it worked ok, making it a viable alternative.  The only issue is Ubuntu One integration (doesn't exist that I am aware of).
Oct 04 15:28:45 <ogra_> yeah, which is bad
Oct 04 15:28:55 <ogra_> i would really prefer to have a plan for banshee instead
Oct 04 15:29:05 <GrueMaster> Well, better than crashing but...
Oct 04 15:29:31 <ogra_> doesnt need to be fixed before release, but we need to know we *can* fix it (i.e. without having to update the whole mono stack etc)
Oct 04 15:30:01 <ogra_> if we see no perspective we need to switch indeed, but that should only be last resort
Oct 04 15:32:21 <GrueMaster> sigh, no daily for today.  grmbl.
Oct 04 15:32:35 <ogra_> heh
Oct 04 15:32:45 <ogra_> you expected miracles ?
Oct 04 15:33:06 <GrueMaster> No, just to be able to work.  Silly me.  :P
Oct 04 15:33:28 <ogra_> well, try banshee on a system booted with nosmp :)
Oct 04 15:33:31 <GrueMaster> I haven't had a desktop image get past oem-config since last week.
Oct 04 15:33:42 <ogra_> try the ac100 ;)
Oct 04 15:33:53 <ogra_> to have some successfull install
Oct 04 15:33:56 <GrueMaster> I have.  Fail.  It fails the same way on beagleXM and MX53.
Oct 04 15:34:01 <ogra_> huh ?
Oct 04 15:34:08 <GrueMaster> I have my AC100 updated now from Natty.
Oct 04 15:34:08 <ogra_> not for all the people in #ac100
Oct 04 15:34:22 <ogra_> neither for me
Oct 04 15:34:35 <GrueMaster> Banshee?
Oct 04 15:34:38 <ogra_> (though i personally didnt do much testing post-beta)
Oct 04 15:34:43 <GrueMaster> Or oem-config?
Oct 04 15:34:45 <ogra_> GrueMaster, the installer
Oct 04 15:34:50 <ogra_> and oem-config
Oct 04 15:35:12 <ogra_> banshee fails the same way everywhere i tested it ... but i havent tested without smp yet
Oct 04 15:35:16 <GrueMaster> I haven't been testing AC100 much.  Too much focus on why oem-config crashes on omap4.
Oct 04 15:35:38 <ogra_> yeah, i was just suggesting it to get y successfull install to get your mood up :)
Oct 04 15:35:42 <GrueMaster> banshee fails on my UP systems the same way, so it isn't an SMP issue.
Oct 04 15:35:53 <ogra_> ah, thanks !
Oct 04 15:36:03 <ogra_> can you put that info in the bug ?
Oct 04 15:36:20 <GrueMaster> I thought I already did?
Oct 04 15:36:37 * ogra_ didnt see it but that doesnt mean much
Oct 04 15:36:56 <GrueMaster> bug #?
Oct 04 15:37:47 <ogra_> bug 857299
Oct 04 15:37:48 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 857299 in banshee "banshee window remain white on startup on pandaboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857299
Oct 04 15:38:01 <ogra_> not even triaged yet (sorry i should have done that)
Oct 04 15:38:37 <GrueMaster> Doing it now.
Oct 04 15:42:15 <GrueMaster> Ok, triaged and added some comments.  Also assigned to NCommander, but may want janimo to look at if he has time.  More eyes is better.
Oct 04 15:42:37 <ogra_> yeah, even you, me and infinity should look
Oct 04 15:42:49 <ogra_> the more the better since its our worst bug we have left
Oct 04 15:43:16 <GrueMaster> I plan on looking from a different angle.  I will test other mono apps (f-spot, etc).
Oct 04 15:45:17 <ogra_> GrueMaster, btw, when did we stop to subscribe u-arm ? i'm noticing that i miss a lot of bugs and bugmail
Oct 04 15:45:39 <GrueMaster> Oops.  Need to add that.
Oct 04 15:45:45 <ogra_> added already
Oct 04 15:45:57 <GrueMaster> We have only stopped because I haven't had time to go bug triaging.
Oct 04 15:45:58 <ogra_> but i noticed it on several bugs recently
Oct 04 15:46:04 <ogra_> ah
Oct 04 15:46:15 <ogra_> well, your work is noticeable then :) be happy :)
Oct 04 15:46:29 <ogra_> at least it is when itss not done ;)
Oct 04 15:46:49 <brandini> hello ogra_
Oct 04 15:46:54 <GrueMaster> I seriously was swamped with all of the server work items.  That's why desktop is in such shambles, and none of our bugs are triaged.
Oct 04 15:47:16 <ogra_> yeah, we need to make a fallback plan for the next time that happens
Oct 04 15:47:29 <ogra_> the team needs to take more duties off you in such situations
Oct 04 15:47:59 <GrueMaster> Well, I had put out an alert before Beta 1.
Oct 04 15:48:13 <ogra_> while everyone else was busy too
Oct 04 15:48:47 <ogra_> what i want is an emergency plan so you can just raise your hand and plan b applies for the teasm
Oct 04 15:48:49 <ogra_> *team
Oct 04 15:48:53 <GrueMaster> I understand.  I also put out the call to the community.
Oct 04 15:49:43 <ogra_> and to be honest it was clear to all of us from the beginning that desktop would suffer under your workload, i wish we had worked on such a plan back last UDS
Oct 04 15:50:22 <GrueMaster> At least during the Rally.
Oct 04 15:50:26 <ogra_> right
Oct 04 15:50:36 <ogra_> well, next UDS next chance :)
Oct 04 15:51:43 <brandini> big release happening?
Oct 04 15:52:04 <GrueMaster> brandini: This week is RC.  Next week is Final.  So...yes.
Oct 04 15:52:20 <brandini> very cool
Oct 04 15:52:24 <brandini> I've been testing
Oct 04 15:52:36 <brandini> I do dist-upgrade daily and run my Go webapps :)
Oct 04 15:56:36 <brandini> This page is being served up from my pandaboard running the latest daily http://eutonian.ath.cx
Oct 04 15:57:16 <ogra_> nice
Oct 04 15:58:24 <GrueMaster> brandini: I take it you are running the daily server image?
Oct 04 15:58:39 <brandini> ogra_: I got my arduino programmed to monitor my barometer and humidity, calculate dewpoint and other things and dump that data to my pandaboard
Oct 04 15:58:44 <brandini> GrueMaster: I am
Oct 04 15:58:52 <ogra_> cool !
Oct 04 15:59:31 <brandini> Yes, there is still a bug in the lcd library that keeps me from being able to use the lcd at teh same time the data dumps to the serial console
Oct 04 15:59:51 <brandini> but I watched the barometric pressure rise yesterday and sure enough... sunshine today!
Oct 04 16:38:58 <robclark> is it normal that I have no /lib/udev/rules.d/50-firmware.rules ? (natty filesystem..)
Oct 04 16:41:56 <robclark> oh, hmm, /lib/udev/rules.d/...
Oct 04 16:43:35 <jayabharath> davidm: ping
Oct 04 16:43:59 <davidm> Hi jayabharath
Oct 04 17:22:45 <GrueMaster> infinity: I managed to get past oem-config on 20111003, but not gracefully.  I enabled trim support for ext4.  Makes the initial install a little slower (but not by much).  And oem-config didn't respawn, but it also failed to uninstall.
Oct 04 17:28:08 <GrueMaster> Hey, a crash dump from oem-config-remove-gtk.
Oct 04 18:00:22 <GrueMaster> And audio is worse.  Is that even possible?
Oct 04 18:00:30 <GrueMaster> No devices, not even HDMI Audio.
Oct 04 18:19:48 <GrueMaster> Ok, removing trim fixed audio.  How odd.
Oct 04 18:24:55 <GrueMaster> ogra_: Any reason we removed libreoffice from the desktop image?  There are no office suites installed now.
Oct 04 18:37:24 <robclark> hmm, does anyone else actually use udev for firmware loading on arm?
Oct 04 18:37:44 <robclark> udev appears to (from what I see on kernel side) to abort the fw load
Oct 04 18:37:57 <robclark> (for no particular reason that I can see)
Oct 04 19:30:58 <GrueMaster> f-spot appears to be working ok.  Slow on SD, but ok.  So I don't think the problem is mono, just banshee.
Oct 04 20:29:01 <ogra_> GrueMaster, we havent shipped libreoffice since 3 releases now
Oct 04 21:38:21 <GrueMaster> ok.  Didn't know.
Oct 04 23:22:29 <NCommander> GrueMaster: great, lovely. At least that makes it easier to narrow down, might be one of the bindings is broken
Oct 04 23:25:40 <NCommander> oh, weird. SO when run over X11 forwarding, banshee semi-draws
Oct 04 23:26:54 <GrueMaster> I noticed libwaland0 is installed only on armel images (not on x86).
Oct 04 23:27:10 <GrueMaster> Could be a function call difference?
Oct 04 23:27:50 <GrueMaster> NCommander: ^^^
Oct 04 23:28:00 <NCommander> possibly
Oct 04 23:28:06 <NCommander> I thnk its more an issue with Gtk#
Oct 04 23:28:56 <NCommander> gtk-sharp was uploaded Published on 2011-07-12
Oct 04 23:29:46 <NCommander> it throws an exception which is uncaught
Oct 05 00:12:22 <NCommander> so rebuilding gtk-sharp causes the GUI to appear but it doesn't actually wokr
Oct 05 00:12:25 <NCommander> grumble
Oct 05 00:26:20 <NCommander> GrueMaster: try testing with the debs in my panda homefolder 192.168.0.60
Oct 05 00:26:23 <NCommander> ubuntu:ubuntu
Oct 05 00:26:57 <twb> NCommander: you know that's a private address, right? ;-)
Oct 05 00:27:10 <NCommander> twb: I live with GrueMaster :-P
Oct 05 00:27:19 <twb> You poor man
Oct 05 00:27:34 <NCommander> twb: him or me :-P
Oct 05 00:28:13 <brandini> yes
Oct 05 00:29:40 <twb> +1 brandini
Oct 05 00:36:16 <NCommander> GrueMaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/853539
Oct 05 00:36:17 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 853539 in banshee "Banshee wont start" [Undecided,Triaged]
Oct 05 00:38:53 <GrueMaster> NCommander: Wrong arch.  Read the bug details.  May be similar, but since it works on x86, I'm doubting it.  Also, this is for 2.1.4.  We are on 2.2.0
Oct 05 00:39:06 <NCommander> ugh
Oct 05 00:42:39 <GrueMaster> following the gconftool-2 instructions has no effect.
Oct 05 00:44:17 <GrueMaster> And the bug you want to follow is Bug #857299
Oct 05 00:44:19 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 857299 in banshee "banshee window remain white on startup on pandaboard" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857299
Oct 05 00:57:09 <NCommander> so the code that throws the exception only throws it if something is <0
Oct 05 01:03:48 <NCommander> I'm blocking ATM on how to debug this
Oct 05 01:04:04 <NCommander> but it is breaking in Banshee (Hyena.Gui)
Oct 05 01:09:29 <GrueMaster> I'm still loading build dependencies.  Seems apt-get build-dep doesn't get all of them (gmcs, boo so far).
Oct 05 02:52:12 <GrueMaster> Interesting.  I may have found the issue.  http://banshee-media-player.2283330.n4.nabble.com/Banshee-crashes-after-updating-compiled-version-tp3862966p3862966.html appears to say that banshee 2.2 requires mono-addins 0.6.2,  We have 0.6.1.
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