**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 18 02:59:57 2011
Oct 18 06:11:01 <MrCurious_> time to test 11.10 on a panda
Oct 18 06:11:29 <twb> lilstevie: still remember me? :P
Oct 18 06:13:10 <lilstevie> nope :p
Oct 18 06:13:28 <twb> :-(
Oct 18 13:08:26 <berco> ogra_: ping
Oct 18 13:14:21 <ogra_> berco, yes ?
Oct 18 13:14:25 <berco> ogra_: have you tried the oneiric ubuntu-core minimal fs on panda?
Oct 18 13:14:43 <berco> ogra_: I'm having issues to boot it...
Oct 18 13:15:56 <ogra_> boot it ?
Oct 18 13:16:17 <ogra_> hwo do you boot it ? its an unconfigured base system to buuild other images on top
Oct 18 13:16:34 <berco> yes, I put my mlo, u-boot and kernel.
Oct 18 13:16:38 <ogra_> not intended for usage without a lot of configuration or modification
Oct 18 13:16:56 <berco> I was expecting to get at least up to a console
Oct 18 13:17:09 <ogra_> i.e. if you would build a settop box or IVI image you would use it to put your user-less UI on top for example
Oct 18 13:17:11 <berco> I'm stuck with last message "mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth"
Oct 18 13:17:30 <ogra_> how did you configure it ?
Oct 18 13:17:43 <ogra_> did you install a kernel packge, roll an initrd etc ...
Oct 18 13:18:14 <ogra_> it is not intended to work OOTB at all, unless you look for a cheap way to get a chroot
Oct 18 13:18:59 <berco> okay, so it's not at all intended to be a basic fs. I need to customize it first
Oct 18 13:19:16 <ogra_> it is just enough OS to execute apt, nothing more
Oct 18 13:19:35 <ogra_> no users, no root access etc
Oct 18 13:19:48 <ogra_> you should get a console if you configure it right though
Oct 18 13:20:01 <ogra_> on framebuffer ...
Oct 18 13:20:13 <berco> okay, I don't event get this
Oct 18 13:20:45 <ogra_> it should get you a console on screen
Oct 18 13:20:55 <ogra_> but there is no user and root is locked by default
Oct 18 13:21:13 <berco> I only have the 2 pinguins displayed on the screen, so it starts...
Oct 18 13:21:18 <ogra_> it *wont* get you any login on serial since it is (on purpose) not configured for that
Oct 18 13:21:22 <ogra_> no
Oct 18 13:21:25 <ogra_> your kernel starts
Oct 18 13:21:31 <berco> yes
Oct 18 13:21:33 <ogra_> penguins have nothing to do with userspace
Oct 18 13:22:24 <berco> I agree. I see the FS is mounted in the debug output and nothing else then
Oct 18 13:22:51 <ogra_> on hdmi, right ?
Oct 18 13:23:01 <berco> yes, I'm on HDMI
Oct 18 13:23:13 <ogra_> then you should eventually see a login prompt
Oct 18 13:23:30 <ogra_> with no option to log in though, unless you configured that
Oct 18 13:23:49 <berco> I have the latest kernel from sebj with drm, etc.. maybe I should try with an older kernel
Oct 18 13:25:45 <ogra_> likely ... what initrd are you using, the mountsall issue looks like your initrd is messed up
Oct 18 13:26:49 <berco> I need to check for initrd.
Oct 18 13:27:24 <ogra_> also if you dont use an initrd or a messed up one, make sure to not use UUID for root= on your cmdline
Oct 18 13:27:39 <ogra_> the kernel isnt capable of using that, it needs the initrd
Oct 18 13:28:28 <berco> okay, I just checked: my last test was without initrd and I use root=/dev/mmcblk...
Oct 18 13:28:41 <ogra_> k
Oct 18 13:28:48 <berco> I also removed spash from cmdline
Oct 18 13:28:59 <berco> spash=splash
Oct 18 13:29:16 <ogra_> *theoretically* it should work without inird, but since there are no initrd less images in ubuntu,. nobody actively tests that
Oct 18 13:29:41 <ogra_> so i would always recommend to use one ...
Oct 18 13:29:46 <berco> okay, I'll test to add it
Oct 18 14:08:21 <berco> ogra_: with uInitrd, I get to the login screen now :)
Oct 18 14:09:23 <ogra_> great
Oct 18 14:10:28 <berco> so now as I understood from you there is no user or root login possible. I need to customize the fs, right
Oct 18 14:11:48 <ogra_> yes
Oct 18 14:18:37 <brandini> this news tech article says late 2012 early 2013 for A15's to hit the market
Oct 18 14:18:42 <brandini> I don't think I buy that
Oct 18 14:19:41 <brandini> broadcom has licenses for a tablet already
Oct 18 14:23:11 <brandini> maybe it's true
Oct 18 18:49:05 <shadeslayer> lilstevie: do i need to root my transformer to use your scripts?
Oct 18 18:59:47 <prpplague> XorA: hey hey
Oct 18 18:59:57 <prpplague> XorA_: hey hey
Oct 18 19:00:56 <XorA> hey
Oct 18 19:01:21 <XorA> forgetting I already had an xchat :-)
Oct 18 19:01:24 <prpplague> XorA: you going to make it to ELC-E?
Oct 18 19:01:36 <XorA> prpplague: no :-(
Oct 18 19:01:54 <prpplague> XorA: doh
Oct 18 20:13:27 <davidm> prpplague, are you going to ELC-E?
Oct 18 20:13:40 <prpplague> davidm: yea
Oct 18 20:14:06 <prpplague> davidm: got something that needs to go?
Oct 18 20:14:11 <davidm> I'll see you there then
Oct 18 20:44:04 <lilstevie> shadeslayer: for you to be even asking that means you need to do more research
Oct 18 20:44:48 <shadeslayer> lilstevie: well, your instructions don't even mention rooting, which is why I'm a bit lost, I rebooted into recovery and the device doesn't show up ...
Oct 18 20:45:19 <shadeslayer> I can't even figure out how to use the mmc on the device when it's booted in Android
Oct 18 20:45:48 <shadeslayer> ( I don't get the option to mount the mmc over USB like I do on my phone )
Oct 18 20:46:32 <shadeslayer> I haven't had alot of time to poke around which is why I'm asking
Oct 18 20:46:38 <lilstevie> shadeslayer: what I mean is you need to do more research, like learn about nvflash
Oct 18 20:47:04 <lilstevie> the very fact you are asking if you need to be rooted is telling me you haven't even looked into what nvflash is
Oct 18 20:47:26 <shadeslayer> I did go through it, which means I obviously missed something
Oct 18 20:47:39 <shadeslayer> I'll look at it again
Oct 18 21:12:08 <prpplague> ogra_ / GrueMaster for 11.10, is there a command line change i need to do tell the install to use the DVI as primary instead of hdmi?
Oct 18 21:12:53 <ogra_> not that i know of, we dont maintain the kernel anymore so i could only guess
Oct 18 21:12:55 <GrueMaster> prpplague: Not sure.
Oct 18 21:13:19 <prpplague> hmm
Oct 18 21:13:27 <GrueMaster> robclark may know.
Oct 18 21:16:01 <GrueMaster> I'd say ask on #pandaboard, but then you'd probably smack me.  :P
Oct 18 21:16:19 <prpplague> GrueMaster: hehe, indeed i would
Oct 18 21:17:32 <robclark> prpplague, drm will light up all monitors that it detects a connection on..
Oct 18 21:18:18 <prpplague> robclark: yea, but it seems that ubuntu is selecting the hdmi for some reason
Oct 18 21:18:29 <robclark> prpplague, there is a (*detect) fxn ptr in omap_dss_driver..  you just need to make sure that is returning sane values
Oct 18 21:18:45 <robclark> prpplague, it should select both.. in theory..
Oct 18 21:18:56 <robclark> (well, that is, if you have hdmi attached)
Oct 18 21:18:57 <prpplague> robclark: can i use the video bootargs?  video=DVI-I-1:1024x768@85 video=TV-1:d
Oct 18 21:19:13 <prpplague> robclark: no hdmi attached
Oct 18 21:19:33 <robclark> hmm.. that sounds suspicious..
Oct 18 21:19:37 <robclark>  @ your desk?
Oct 18 21:20:22 <prpplague> yea
Oct 18 21:20:40 <robclark> k, I'll swing by
Oct 18 21:27:42 <prpplague> GrueMaster / ogra_ any special boot args to use to get console working with the 11.10 prebuilt desktop images?
Oct 18 21:38:41 <GrueMaster> console?  You mean serial console?
Oct 18 21:39:30 <prpplague> GrueMaster: yea
Oct 18 21:41:02 <GrueMaster> For serial console, you just need to create a /etc/init/ttyO2.conf with the proper settings.  Use /etc/init/tty2.conf as a template, changing the tty port and speed.
Oct 18 21:42:00 <GrueMaster> If you are trying to figure out the dvi stuff, you might be better off with a server image.  You can boot and configure it from the serial console, then tweak from there.
Oct 18 21:43:37 <prpplague> GrueMaster: hmm
Oct 18 21:43:58 * prpplague doesn't like this aspect of ubuntu
Oct 18 21:44:13 * prpplague does an install using hdmi first
Oct 18 21:44:18 <GrueMaster> Why not?
Oct 18 21:44:35 <GrueMaster> How many desktop image do you usually configure through a serial port?
Oct 18 21:44:57 <robclark> GrueMaster, ogra_, it looks like a plymouth issue.. or perhaps plymouth vs omapdrm..
Oct 18 21:45:13 <robclark> but the splash screen is lighting up HDMI, but not DVI..
Oct 18 21:45:13 <GrueMaster> That's possible.
Oct 18 21:45:27 <robclark> so if you plugin just DVI, you see busybox instead of plymouth
Oct 18 21:45:30 <prpplague> GrueMaster: just prefer to have an easier way of enabling the serial console
Oct 18 21:45:37 <GrueMaster> You can mute plymouth by removing splash from the kernel cmdline.
Oct 18 21:45:58 <robclark> is plymouth showing status msgs during the partition-resizing magic?
Oct 18 21:46:33 <GrueMaster> It should show a few.  Not many.
Oct 18 21:46:50 <prpplague> robclark: none with just dvi plugged in, only with just hdmi plugged in
Oct 18 21:46:57 <GrueMaster> But it may also ve treating the dvi port as a second monitor source.
Oct 18 21:47:30 <prpplague> GrueMaster: right that is what it appears to be doing
Oct 18 21:47:36 <robclark> GrueMaster, on my laptop, splashscreen is coming mirror'd if I boot up w/ 2nd display attached..
Oct 18 21:48:09 <GrueMaster> robclark: Might need to talk to the omap fb driver developer.
Oct 18 21:48:22 <GrueMaster> Oh, wait....
Oct 18 21:48:32 <robclark> there were some new support in drm for unaccelerated "dumb scanout buffer", which might not be in the version of omapdrm in 11.10... but on other hand, I'm not sure if plymouth is using those yet..
Oct 18 21:48:52 <robclark> so big question is whether plymouth is using drm/kms kernel API or falling back to fbdev..
Oct 18 21:49:20 <GrueMaster> Not sure.  Let me see if I can get slangasek to answer.
Oct 18 21:50:00 <robclark> could someone point me at what kernel you are using?  I can check what revision of omapdrm you are using..
Oct 18 21:50:45 <GrueMaster> 3.0.0-1205.10
Oct 18 21:50:52 <GrueMaster> Is on the release image.
Oct 18 21:51:18 * robclark was looking for a git tree + tag..
Oct 18 21:52:07 <robclark> ok, think I found it
Oct 18 21:53:42 <prpplague> GrueMaster: when i use the prebuilt 11.10 images, what should i expect to see on the hdmi display?
Oct 18 21:53:46 <robclark> ok, GrueMaster, I think I added support for the "dumb scanout API" (which libkms can use) at same time I added GEM support...  so not in the version of driver you have..
Oct 18 21:54:03 <robclark> so plymouth might be falling back to some legacy fbdev mode
Oct 18 22:00:44 * prpplague grumbles
Oct 18 22:06:33 <slangasek> robclark, GrueMaster: plymouth requires a per-drm-driver backend; I don't think plymouth knows about omapdrm
Oct 18 22:06:49 <robclark> slangasek, ok, it doesn't use libkms?
Oct 18 22:07:08 <slangasek> I have never heard of libkms, so I guess not :)
Oct 18 22:07:09 <robclark> (which has backends for different drm drivers, and also a backend that can use the new "dumb scanout" API..)
Oct 18 22:07:19 <robclark> it is in libdrm git tree
Oct 18 22:07:33 <slangasek> ok - nope, not being used, at least not in the version we have
Oct 18 22:07:38 <PDunny> Does anyone here know anything about getting ubuntu on mobiles/tablets?
Oct 18 22:07:38 <robclark> ok
Oct 18 22:07:58 <robclark> then I guess there may be some plymouth work to do at some point..
Oct 18 22:08:14 * slangasek nods
Oct 18 22:08:41 <robclark> or if it uses the "dumb scanout" ioctls, then it should work out of box with omapdrm which is going upstream... the slightly newer one with GEM support
Oct 18 22:08:43 <slangasek> I don't think we would want to refactor plymouth's drm support in 12.04; a bit risky for an LTS
Oct 18 22:09:15 * robclark would recommend to have the dumb scanout ioctls as fallback
Oct 18 22:09:25 <slangasek> but the current drm support is not great (we even have radeondrm blacklisted right now, due to multimonitor issues), so I would love to see this improved in the future
Oct 18 22:09:28 <robclark> that won't work for omapdrm in 11.10 but will work in 12.04
Oct 18 22:10:40 <robclark> slangasek, http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/drm/drm_mode.h#L347  (fyi)
Oct 18 22:11:01 <slangasek> robclark: have you spoken with plymouth upstream about this, by any chance?
Oct 18 22:11:09 <robclark> those ioctls will give an API that can be used to allocate/mmap a buffer for any drm device (supporting GEM at least)
Oct 18 22:11:15 <robclark> not really..
Oct 18 22:11:21 * robclark has no idea who that is ;-)
Oct 18 22:11:23 <slangasek> #plymouth :)
Oct 18 22:11:27 <robclark> ahh
Oct 18 22:11:38 <slangasek> best if the support could land there first
Oct 18 22:11:48 <robclark> I guess they must know about those APIs..  they were added pretty much for the purpose of things like plymouth..
Oct 18 22:12:07 <robclark> but I think they are pretty recent
Oct 18 22:12:23 <slangasek> looks like there's preliminary support for libkms upstream since Aug 2010
Oct 18 22:12:50 <slangasek> there hasn't been an upstream release since then, however
Oct 18 22:12:53 <robclark> hmm.. well, if they finish that, they get the dumb-scanout buffer stuff for free..
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