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Oct 21 03:09:55 <davidm> jkfangTW, I'm not sure that TI has put everything into the PPA yet
Oct 21 03:10:10 <davidm> I hope they will do it soonish
Oct 21 04:34:55 <Netham46> Three things: 1) I have a USB headset that has drivers for x86(-64) but none for ARM. Know where I would look to get the sources, and how to build/use 'em? 2) I'm running on an android tablet. Is there any way I could run my Android apps natively on ubuntu? 3) Know of an onlive client for ARM?
Oct 21 04:36:08 <Netham46> Other than the audio meter being a bit wonky, my onboard audio is working great, btw. Also, the controls for my headset (vol+/vol-/mute) all work as expected.
Oct 21 04:36:38 <Netham46> Also, is Kubuntu Mobile a real thing? o.O
Oct 21 04:38:11 <twb> Netham46: that kinda depends on the headset
Oct 21 04:38:30 <Netham46> Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000
Oct 21 04:38:42 <twb> Netham46: if you're talking about out-of-kernel (third-party) drivers, you should probably write to the vendor and ask for the source.
Oct 21 04:39:01 <Netham46> Something tells me that MS didn't make Linux drivers for it
Oct 21 04:39:28 <twb> How do you have drivers for x86-64 then
Oct 21 04:39:57 <Netham46> THey came w/ the distro.
Oct 21 04:40:05 <Netham46> and, tbh, I'm not 100% sure how the driver thing works on *nix. I've only ever messed with network stuff.
Oct 21 04:41:12 <twb> Well, unlike e.g. Windows, most drivers ship with the kernel itself -- they're available everywhere, unless the distro decides to remove them
Oct 21 04:41:25 <twb> If that's the case for your device, it should work just as well on ARM
Oct 21 04:41:54 <twb> If you're using something like Ubuntu on x86-64, though, they do include a handful of third-party drivers, and the state of those varies wildly
Oct 21 04:42:25 <Netham46> Well, it worked as expected on x86-64 out-of-box
Oct 21 04:48:17 <twb> As to your second question, I don't know anything about android but I guess it would depend on someone porting dalvik to ubuntu
Oct 21 04:49:19 <Netham46> Kk.
Oct 21 04:49:43 <Netham46> I've pretty much given up on OnLive on it for now, too, heh. I was just seeing if someone might know something I've missed.
Oct 21 04:57:06 <Netham46> Oh yea, one last question, is there any solution to get flash?
Oct 21 04:58:09 <twb> I have no idea; I don't use GUIs
Oct 21 04:58:19 <twb> I suppose you could use an open-source implementation like gnash
Oct 21 04:59:35 <twb> And obviously e.g. mplayer supports the FLV codec, so you don't need flash for youtube or whatever
Oct 21 05:00:32 <Netham46> I'd like to get Hulu and Pandora to run. Right now, I'm using a dedicated Pandora app.
Oct 21 05:01:14 <twb> This would be pandora the America-only music thing, not Pandora the hand-held ARM-based game console?
Oct 21 05:01:28 <Netham46> pandora the americal-only music thing
Oct 21 05:01:34 <Netham46> Didn't realize it was region-locked, though
Oct 21 05:01:35 <twb> I don't know anything about that, sorry.
Oct 21 05:01:47 <Netham46> The web client is flash-based
Oct 21 05:11:51 <Amaranth> hrm, oneiric feels likes it's at least twice as slow as natty on panda
Oct 21 05:12:03 <Amaranth> Netham46: The web client is HTML5
Oct 21 05:13:24 <Netham46> Amaranth, in both FF and Chromium it asks me to install Flash
Oct 21 05:13:26 <twb> Can GCC build thumbee binaries?
Oct 21 05:14:07 <Netham46> also, KDE is much better in oneiric for me, I'm not getting random crashes anymore
Oct 21 05:14:19 <Netham46> now if only nvidia could release drivers that aren't complete garbage for the tegra 2
Oct 21 05:14:40 <jkfangTW> Amranth, have you done some bechmarks ? I'm also  testing oneiric and Natty on my pandaboard .
Oct 21 05:14:56 <Amaranth> If nvidia could release drivers that aren't complete garbage for anything other than Windows I'd be shocked
Oct 21 05:15:10 <Amaranth> jkfangTW: No, just going in feeling
Oct 21 05:15:19 <Netham46> Their PC drivers are pretty decent
Oct 21 05:15:23 <Netham46> far better than ATIs
Oct 21 05:15:37 <twb> Netham46: you're only saying that because you haven't seen the source
Oct 21 05:15:42 <Netham46> Fair enough
Oct 21 05:16:02 <Netham46> That and I only tend to use Linux on platforms where Windows isn't available
Oct 21 05:22:55 <GrueMaster> Netham46: For Pandora, you can install pithos from the ubuntu universe repository on any system that will run 11.10.  I am running it now on a TI omap4 pandaboard.
Oct 21 05:23:51 <netham45_tab> yea, that's what I'm using rightn ow.
Oct 21 05:24:26 <GrueMaster> Flash is a whole nother ball game.  It requires either a fast processor (x86) or hardware decoding (arm).  On the arm side, there are ways of getting a version to run on Ubuntu, but I am not sure how.  Need Google search.
Oct 21 05:25:52 <netham45_tab> kk.
Oct 21 05:26:57 <netham45_tab> bah, I went to do a search for libflashplayer.so and apparantly that's a valid domain. has a placer on it.
Oct 21 05:30:31 <GrueMaster> Try this version for arm.  http://kotelett.no/ac100/phh/Android2.2/libflashplayer.so
Oct 21 10:14:37 <ndec> ogra_: are you doing something 'somewhere' to configure the audio on panda on first boot?
Oct 21 10:14:56 <ogra_> ndec, nopw
Oct 21 10:15:00 <ogra_> i dont think so
Oct 21 10:15:22 <ndec> we don't have audio on Blaze by default...
Oct 21 10:15:35 <ndec> so i was thinking that something is done for Panda somewhere...
Oct 21 13:30:09 <ndec> ogra_: i think you lied to me ;-) see /lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-ucm.rules
Oct 21 13:30:28 <ogra_> ndec, thats on all ubuntu images
Oct 21 13:30:37 <ndec> grep Panda ;-)
Oct 21 13:30:37 <ogra_> not special by any means
Oct 21 13:31:03 <ogra_> grep SDP
Oct 21 13:31:05 <ogra_> ;)
Oct 21 13:32:43 <ogra_> ndec, that file comes with alsa and as long as the blaze still uses proper device naming it should be fine
Oct 21 13:32:56 <ndec> yeah... but it does not ;-)
Oct 21 13:33:10 <ndec> we are debugging why!
Oct 21 13:33:11 <ogra_> is the devce still called SDP4430 ?
Oct 21 13:33:16 <ndec> yes
Oct 21 13:33:20 <ogra_> weird
Oct 21 13:33:40 <ndec> we will need to look in the udev log
Oct 21 13:35:20 <ogra_> i think you can also monitor udev somehow
Oct 21 13:35:32 <ogra_> beyond the log ... i.e. the daemon
Oct 21 13:37:01 <ndec> yes. that's what i meant indeed.
Oct 21 14:49:09 <dabukalam> is the beagleboard xM omap3 or omap4?
Oct 21 14:49:45 <ogra_> 3
Oct 21 14:50:39 <dabukalam> ogra_, thx
Oct 21 14:52:30 <prpplague> techincally its DM3xxx , but that is splitting hairs
Oct 21 16:05:51 <dabukalam> just installed oneiric server on a beagleboard
Oct 21 16:06:07 <dabukalam> but did all the installation through serial
Oct 21 16:06:50 <dabukalam> why doesn't it output to a monitor?
Oct 21 16:08:50 <ogra_> because its a server image ?
Oct 21 16:09:07 <ogra_> it shoudl offer a tty for login after install on the monotor though
Oct 21 16:09:21 <dabukalam> that's what I mean
Oct 21 16:09:51 <dabukalam> aha
Oct 21 16:09:53 <dabukalam> got it
Oct 21 16:34:50 <dabukalam> ogra_, I dunno if you remember, but I was trying to put core on an i.MX53.
Oct 21 16:34:57 <ogra_> yep
Oct 21 16:35:06 <dabukalam> ogra_, now I'm trying to the same thing with a beagleboard xM
Oct 21 16:35:16 <ogra_> ah
Oct 21 16:35:31 <ogra_> should work the same way, module kernel/bootloader
Oct 21 16:35:34 <dabukalam> yeah
Oct 21 16:35:36 <ogra_> *modulo
Oct 21 16:35:38 <dabukalam> that's what I assumed
Oct 21 16:35:46 <dabukalam> but oneiric server images
Oct 21 16:35:53 <dabukalam> are only two partitins
Oct 21 16:35:55 <dabukalam> *partitions
Oct 21 16:35:57 <dabukalam> not 3
Oct 21 16:36:03 <dabukalam> same with the desktop ones
Oct 21 16:36:14 <dabukalam> (for omap as opposed to mx)
Oct 21 16:36:43 <ogra_> as i said, modulo the bootloader/kernel bits :)
Oct 21 16:42:36 <dabukalam> where would the kernel be located?
Oct 21 16:47:04 <dabukalam> ogra_, just the image in /boot?
Oct 21 16:47:22 <ogra_> for the beagle ?
Oct 21 16:48:05 <dabukalam> ogra_,
Oct 21 16:48:06 <dabukalam> ya
Oct 21 16:49:16 <ogra_> well, in different places
Oct 21 16:49:23 <ogra_> there is vmlinuz in /boot
Oct 21 16:49:34 <ogra_> and there is the boot partition that carries a uImage
Oct 21 16:53:07 <dabukalam> yeah yeah ofc
Oct 21 16:53:15 <dabukalam> i just leave that partition the way it is
Oct 21 16:55:36 <GrueMaster> dabukalam: If you are just setting up a beagle to boot from sd with root on usb or network, it may be easier to just run the netinstall.
Oct 21 16:55:40 <GrueMaster> That is supported for omap.
Oct 21 17:08:01 <ogra_> GrueMaster, he is supposed to set up core on several differnnt arches
Oct 21 17:08:51 <GrueMaster> Ah.  Well, it should work.  Just takes a little tweaking.  I have used it as a chroot and as a nfs-root.
Oct 21 17:09:21 <ogra_> yep, me too, i have never natively booted it though, good to see it works :)
Oct 21 19:57:27 <dabukalam> ogra_, you here?
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