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Nov 27 05:18:22 <lilstevie> gildean, you about?
Nov 27 08:46:00 <sefo> hi
Nov 27 08:46:15 <sefo> anyone have a hercules ecafe slim with ubuntu installed?
Nov 27 08:46:29 <sefo> Its netbook have a modified ubuntu thats i dont like
Nov 27 08:46:48 <sefo> this use uboot for boot kernel but i dont know how works it for install new ubuntu
Nov 27 09:44:08 <IamTrying> System is crashed??? ASUS Eee pad transformer i have (in tried to install Ubuntu).  e.g: http://i.imgur.com/E9o16.png
Nov 27 09:45:13 <IamTrying> I copied also the file rootfs.ext2 but why its showing that?
Nov 27 09:45:38 <lilstevie> IamTrying: which install is that
Nov 27 09:45:54 <lilstevie> clearly the outdated one from jhinta actually
Nov 27 09:46:11 <lilstevie> IamTrying: m.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19731842
Nov 27 09:46:15 <lilstevie> hm
Nov 27 09:46:33 <lilstevie> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19731842 even
Nov 27 09:47:32 <IamTrying> lilstevie, i did this one, i have splash screen but not booting to ubuntu http://eeepadhacks.net/transformer-hacks/how-to-install-native-ubuntu-on-eeepad-transformer/
Nov 27 09:48:10 <IamTrying> Once i boot > I see the splash penguin icons > And then i get > http://i.imgur.com/E9o16.png
Nov 27 09:48:48 <lilstevie> that information is outdated
Nov 27 09:49:58 <IamTrying> lilstevie, should i be doing then OLiFE? But is that same way?
Nov 27 09:50:38 <lilstevie> OLiFE is not quite the same, it uses the internal emmc
Nov 27 09:50:52 <IamTrying> OLiFE.tar.gz , OLiFE-Prime-Edition.tar.gz , Ubuntu.img.gz (3 files it got).
Nov 27 09:52:20 <lilstevie> OLiFE-Prime-Edition has a rom included
Nov 27 09:52:41 <lilstevie> OLiFE.tar.gz requires you to supply a rom, and the ubuntu.img.gz
Nov 27 09:53:05 <IamTrying> What confusing me is that. I use nvflash but i do not have any external MicroSD cards will Olife do that?
Nov 27 09:53:46 <IamTrying> Using SSHDroid i included the rootfs.exe2 files in /sdcard/Ubuntu/rootfs.ext2
Nov 27 09:54:03 <IamTrying> nvflash if i can tell to look into that directory i think it should work.
Nov 27 09:54:32 <lilstevie> not the same
Nov 27 09:54:59 <lilstevie> using olife it reflashes the entire emmc, including /sdcard
Nov 27 09:55:14 <lilstevie> and reparitions it so ubuntu has its own partition
Nov 27 09:55:24 <lilstevie> also, with that kit you used, it requires an external SDcard
Nov 27 09:55:31 <lilstevie> that is why you are getting that error
Nov 27 09:56:14 <IamTrying> I got it, but i do not have MicroSD card, i want to do it what i got now like not wait for SD card to buy etc.
Nov 27 09:56:18 <IamTrying> If i use Olife
Nov 27 09:56:22 <IamTrying> Can i at-least go back like i did with restore.sh?
Nov 27 09:56:31 <gildean> lilstevie: just woke up, why
Nov 27 09:57:16 <lilstevie> IamTrying: you can restore yes
Nov 27 09:57:39 <lilstevie> gildean: I saw in the logs you upgraded compulabs modified natty to oneiric on the trimslice
Nov 27 09:57:54 <gildean> yeah
Nov 27 09:58:00 <lilstevie> was just wondering what you did, cause every time I try it dies horribly
Nov 27 09:59:16 <gildean> i think it was just mostly using apt in apt the wrong way and changing the distro in sources.list
Nov 27 09:59:33 <IamTrying> lilstevie, that is great. Just to make sure before i make mistake 1) i followed this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1191141  2) I downloaded OLiFE-Prime-Edition.tar.gz 3) Does it have the latest Ubuntu ARM or its old?
Nov 27 09:59:39 <gildean> then multiple upgrades and dist-upgrades
Nov 27 10:00:08 <gildean> first upgrade, then dist-upgrade, then dist-upgrade again and then upgrade && dist-upgrade
Nov 27 10:00:11 <gildean> iirc
Nov 27 10:00:23 <lilstevie> fair enough
Nov 27 10:00:28 <lilstevie> using do-dist-upgrade fails
Nov 27 10:00:38 <lilstevie> IamTrying: it is oneiric
Nov 27 10:00:55 <gildean> i did apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
Nov 27 10:01:11 <gildean> the first upgrade and dist-upgrade fail
Nov 27 10:01:12 <lilstevie> gildean: cool
Nov 27 10:01:27 <lilstevie> gildean: will try it in an hour or so :)
Nov 27 10:01:52 <lilstevie> gildean: tbh I have been considering getting a generic image running on it
Nov 27 10:01:53 <gildean> then the second dist-upgrade worked and then the last upgrade && dist-upgrade fixed the broken ones
Nov 27 10:02:03 <gildean> yeah, me too
Nov 27 10:02:07 <IamTrying> Ok, that is very latest to test with.
Nov 27 10:02:24 <lilstevie> IamTrying: I maintain that image, and installer
Nov 27 10:02:31 <gildean> actually i made a site for it already, just haven't had time to start the project in more depth
Nov 27 10:02:37 <lilstevie> fair enough
Nov 27 10:02:39 <gildean> http://julkinen.salaliitto.com/trimslice/
Nov 27 10:03:06 <lilstevie> hah I saw that the other day
Nov 27 10:03:08 <lilstevie> pretty cool
Nov 27 10:03:10 <IamTrying> Wow
Nov 27 10:03:27 <lilstevie> gildean: actually I would be interested in adding trimslice support to my image for the tf
Nov 27 10:03:31 <IamTrying> lilstevie, you are Genius
Nov 27 10:03:49 <lilstevie> IamTrying: not really
Nov 27 10:04:14 <IamTrying> :)
Nov 27 11:44:16 <IamTrying> lilstevie.... , I installed the OLiFE-Prime-Edition but now its doing a loop auto reboot 1) http://i.imgur.com/gmLrs.png  2) http://i.imgur.com/4ISkR.png  without stop its like loop.
Nov 27 11:45:28 <IamTrying> This is the steps i took https://gist.github.com/1397454
Nov 27 11:49:31 <lilstevie> ok yeah, sorry about that, can you switch the boot order
Nov 27 11:49:37 <lilstevie> you can do that without reflashing
Nov 27 11:49:52 <lilstevie> by going into the update menu
Nov 27 11:50:25 <lilstevie> there is an issue in the current kernel that doesn't allow ubuntu to be default
Nov 27 11:50:28 <lilstevie> only secondary
Nov 27 11:51:20 <IamTrying> lilstevie, https://gist.github.com/1397454    So i go to APX mode and reinstall and choose secondary?
Nov 27 11:52:04 <lilstevie> or go into the update menu
Nov 27 11:52:40 <IamTrying> Yes i am now in Update menu> its saying 2. Ubuntu/Linux kernel 4. Ubuntu Rootfs
Nov 27 11:52:46 <IamTrying> Should i take 2?
Nov 27 11:52:48 <lilstevie> so yeah
Nov 27 11:52:52 <lilstevie> option 1 and 2
Nov 27 11:52:59 * infinity is tempted to buy a TrimSlice...
Nov 27 11:53:18 <infinity> Because my desk isn't littered with enough little ARM devices...
Nov 27 11:53:29 <lilstevie> infinity: heh
Nov 27 11:53:33 <IamTrying> Applied 2 asking 1. Turn device on or 2. Hold vol-down then press vol-up  ?
Nov 27 11:53:51 <lilstevie> press 2
Nov 27 11:55:48 <IamTrying> lilstevie, i have black screen now : https://gist.github.com/1397463
Nov 27 11:56:33 <lilstevie> ok,
Nov 27 11:56:44 <lilstevie> reboot the device hold vol-
Nov 27 11:56:47 <IamTrying> Now i started. And its again those loop
Nov 27 11:56:51 <lilstevie> and press vol+ when asked
Nov 27 11:57:49 <IamTrying> After power-on i have same loop again: 1) http://i.imgur.com/gmLrs.png 2) http://i.imgur.com/4ISkR.png  (auto restart and loop)
Nov 27 11:58:19 <infinity> lilstevie: Do you know off the top of your head what the odds are of us being able to do a generic tegra2 kernel that supports, say, AC100, TF101, and TrimSlice?
Nov 27 11:58:33 <infinity> lilstevie: The idea of shipping a different kernel image for every device is really off-putting.
Nov 27 11:58:48 <lilstevie> IamTrying: you didn't follow the instruction I just gave
Nov 27 11:59:03 <IamTrying> i did vol+ yes
Nov 27 11:59:03 <lilstevie> infinity: I was actually going to suggest something like that
Nov 27 11:59:17 <lilstevie> IamTrying: you wouldn't have had that pic
Nov 27 11:59:24 <IamTrying> lilstevie, i applied vol+ but still the same
Nov 27 11:59:30 <lilstevie> pressing vol- white writing would have appeared
Nov 27 11:59:34 <lilstevie> then you press vol+
Nov 27 11:59:49 <infinity> lilstevie: Suggest away.  Better yet, give me something based on our AC100 source that works on your TF101, I'll verify that it still works on my AC100, and we'll call it good. :P
Nov 27 11:59:53 <lilstevie> infinity: it would require patching device bootloaders though
Nov 27 11:59:56 <infinity> lilstevie: (Lather, rinse, repeat for TS)
Nov 27 12:00:06 <lilstevie> except for trimslice
Nov 27 12:00:15 <infinity> lilstevie: Oh, that sounds less pleasant (the bootloader hackery).
Nov 27 12:00:24 <lilstevie> to report a boardID
Nov 27 12:00:32 <infinity> lilstevie: Due to AC100 and TF101 using messed-up Android boot/partition semantics, I'm assuming?
Nov 27 12:00:40 <infinity> Oh, or just boardID?
Nov 27 12:00:45 <lilstevie> because all tegra2 tablets seem to report ventana as the board identifier
Nov 27 12:00:50 <infinity> We could perhaps fudge that heuristically.
Nov 27 12:00:57 <lilstevie> maybe
Nov 27 12:01:06 <lilstevie> that would be more plesant
Nov 27 12:01:19 <lilstevie> infinity: using in kernel pt hacks are probably a little bit better
Nov 27 12:01:36 <IamTrying> lilstevie,  I have first this screen 1) http://i.imgur.com/gmLrs.png  > Pressing vol- / + or vol + or only vol - just not responding its doing the same loop over and over.
Nov 27 12:01:37 <lilstevie> the TF101 uses GPT
Nov 27 12:01:47 <infinity> It does?
Nov 27 12:01:50 <infinity> Curious.
Nov 27 12:01:51 <lilstevie> IamTrying: you are still not following
Nov 27 12:01:55 <lilstevie> infinity: yeah
Nov 27 12:02:10 <lilstevie> GPT + forcing GPT on the commandline
Nov 27 12:02:38 <lilstevie> IamTrying: white writing will appear on screen telling you to press volume up to boot RCK
Nov 27 12:02:55 <lilstevie> you need to hold volume down while pushing power until that writing appears
Nov 27 12:02:56 <infinity> Well, assuming we're dealing with factory PT schemes, then, we could just assume nvflash+MBR is ac100, nvflash+GPT is TF101, and uBoot is TrimSlice.  That all falls apart when people do fun things like install uBoot on their AC100, though. ;)
Nov 27 12:02:58 <lilstevie> then press volume up
Nov 27 12:03:07 <infinity> I'm sure we can come up with saner ways to gently probe.
Nov 27 12:03:10 <infinity> Or something.
Nov 27 12:03:13 <lilstevie> heh
Nov 27 12:03:15 <infinity> I dunno.  Something to toss around anyway.
Nov 27 12:03:34 <lilstevie> well personally I am moving to u-boot as soon as it is more stable on the tf101
Nov 27 12:03:41 <infinity> Three kernel images won't kill us either.  At the very least, we should generate them from the same source, so it's a bit more maintainable.
Nov 27 12:04:11 <lilstevie> at the moment though u-boot is small enough to put the MBR at the start of "rest of flash" as per swarrens brain dump
Nov 27 12:04:29 <lilstevie> the tf101 does a similar thing with boot blocks on emmc
Nov 27 12:04:41 <infinity> Yeah.
Nov 27 12:04:47 <lilstevie> that take up the first 0x38000000
Nov 27 12:05:03 <infinity> I'd like to fast forward ~5 year to when most ARM devices boot with a sane and standardised method.
Nov 27 12:05:12 <lilstevie> yeah
Nov 27 12:05:12 <infinity> s/year/years/
Nov 27 12:05:27 <lilstevie> I actually am an advocate for standardising the boot process on arm
Nov 27 12:05:59 <infinity> I think almost everyone is.
Nov 27 12:06:11 <infinity> But getting people to agree on what should be the standard has been a nightmare.
Nov 27 12:06:13 <lilstevie> I am also wanting to have a minimal kernel core
Nov 27 12:06:22 <infinity> Oddly enough, I think our largest competitor may help a lot there.
Nov 27 12:06:39 <infinity> Cause Microsoft (quite rightly, and I wish we had the balls to do this) just refuses to work with people who don't all boot shit the same way.
Nov 27 12:06:43 <lilstevie> that gives us room for a reasonably large kernel but most of it being modular
Nov 27 12:06:49 <lilstevie> yeah
Nov 27 12:07:08 <lilstevie> tbh I would be happy even if it were u-boot
Nov 27 12:07:52 <infinity> I'd die laughing if uBoot became the standard first-stage BIOS/firmware that chained into Windows8 on ARM.
Nov 27 12:08:01 <infinity> Given that uBoot is 95% cargo-culted linux kernel code.
Nov 27 12:08:19 <lilstevie> heh
Nov 27 12:08:29 <lilstevie> well I know come win8 it will be UEFI
Nov 27 12:08:39 <lilstevie> but that is not going to be feasable for current devices
Nov 27 12:08:46 <IamTrying> lilstevie, i did by following the screen it was saying what you mentioned. But after that now i have this screen nothing happening: http://i.imgur.com/xzy6n.png
Nov 27 12:08:58 <infinity> Well, yes, but UEFI is a spec, not an implementation.  What actually implements it is still up in the air.
Nov 27 12:09:17 <lilstevie> IamTrying: just wait a moment with that, it is resizing the filesystem to fit the partition
Nov 27 12:09:23 <lilstevie> infinity: heh
Nov 27 12:11:04 <IamTrying> WOW, lilstevie yea it works, thanks a lot Guru.
Nov 27 12:16:04 <lilstevie> infinity: anyway, I would like to see a universal arm kernel
Nov 27 12:16:14 <lilstevie> for more than just tegra2 as well
Nov 27 12:16:22 <infinity> That's much further down the road.
Nov 27 12:16:34 <lilstevie> yeah of course
Nov 27 12:16:35 <infinity> But ACPI and/or DT will get us there some day.
Nov 27 12:17:07 <lilstevie> solving just one cpu type is going to be enough
Nov 27 12:17:57 <IamTrying> I do not have Keyboard, for this Device. Is there any way System configuration i can skip my username/password i can not type, and its not showing any virtual keyboard.
Nov 27 12:19:21 <lilstevie> IamTrying: there is an option for that
Nov 27 12:19:23 <lilstevie> in the menu
Nov 27 12:19:24 <IamTrying> I mean here: http://i.imgur.com/Imqim.png
Nov 27 12:20:27 <lilstevie> yeah as I said
Nov 27 12:20:33 <lilstevie> menu option in OLiFE
Nov 27 12:20:48 <lilstevie> activates onscreen keyboard via usb
Nov 27 12:21:14 <IamTrying> Aha, wow i must have to, is this in the OLiFE.sh?
Nov 27 12:21:26 <lilstevie> yes
Nov 27 12:21:27 <IamTrying> Oh yea got it
Nov 27 12:23:48 <IamTrying> Thanks got it. 1) https://gist.github.com/1397487 2) http://i.imgur.com/enL8j.png
Nov 27 12:26:48 <lilstevie> just don't disconnect until you have finished initial setup
Nov 27 12:27:06 <IamTrying> Sure, Touch keyboard is it normal? When i press wireless password: 14788 it just keeps one typing more
Nov 27 12:27:21 <IamTrying> s/one/on
Nov 27 12:27:38 <lilstevie> ldm and unity allow you to invoke it, but ubiquity doesn't
Nov 27 12:28:05 <lilstevie> um, yea I have noticed that, I don't know why it happens
Nov 27 12:28:39 <IamTrying> Maybe because i made the keyboard bigger? My finger is large and the default layout was very tiny.
Nov 27 12:29:09 <lilstevie> no, it is random, no matter what size the keyboard is
Nov 27 12:29:18 <lilstevie> I personally do not undock my tf101
Nov 27 12:30:30 <IamTrying> This is horrible keyboard. I am typing username: sun and its typing suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Nov 27 12:30:41 <lilstevie> yeah it happens sometimes
Nov 27 12:31:23 <lilstevie> infinity: actaully the other thing I wouldn't mind setting up is a preinstall image like what panda and beagle have, but for tegra
Nov 27 13:03:18 <IamTrying> After installation. 1) ./adb shell 2) export DISPLAY=:0.0 && xterm ;  does not open anything is it normal?
Nov 27 13:03:43 <IamTrying> "xterm Xt error: Can't open display: %s"
Nov 27 13:04:29 <IamTrying> Ok it works, i needed to su s
Nov 27 13:06:46 <lilstevie> why would you need to do that?
Nov 27 13:06:57 <lilstevie> you can launch onboard from unity
Nov 27 13:07:37 <IamTrying> lilstevie, i am searching a keyboard lol i dont find anymore and OLiFE is not after installation not loading that virtual keyboard.
Nov 27 13:08:20 <lilstevie> it is called onboard
Nov 27 13:08:49 <IamTrying> Aha wow its there, thank you.
Nov 27 13:23:23 <IamTrying> It is almost impossible to use onboard to put the password for my Wifi: 14788. Is there any command line way i can configure this? I still can not make the internet connection because of the onBoad is randomly putting invalid numbers.
Nov 27 18:41:00 <IamTrying> This is second boot and now its not booting anymore e.g: http://i.imgur.com/SURhE.png
Nov 27 18:41:06 <IamTrying> How to resolve this?
Nov 27 20:20:57 <Xase> Question... building a kernel for an omap3621 on the Nook Color, would using the default config file for the board suffice, or are there any other changes I should make, to make sure Ubuntu runs correctly?
Nov 27 22:12:21 <robclark> btw, anyone know if there is a way to get debuild to recompile something (ie. not a clean from-scratch build)?
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