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Jan 04 07:40:30 <doko> janimo, does the linux-ac100 3.0.8-3.1 kernel have the mmap patch for arm?
Jan 04 07:40:39 <janimo> doko, yes
Jan 04 07:40:43 <janimo> forgot to close the bug
Jan 04 07:40:44 <doko> precise
Jan 04 07:40:51 <doko> ok, thanks
Jan 04 07:41:08 <janimo> so ac100 is fine on both oneiric and precise
Jan 04 07:41:19 <doko> cool, thanks
Jan 04 10:01:42 <hrw> guys: any new information about moving arm(el,hf) from ports.ubuntu.com to normal repo?
Jan 04 10:08:31 <ndec> hrw: +1 ;-)
Jan 04 10:45:33 <janimo> hrw, maybe ask on ubuntu-devel?
Jan 04 10:46:07 <janimo> wrt arm moving from ports to regular archives
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Jan 04 12:24:44 <ogra_> hrw, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release is the place to ask about arm moving to archive.u.c ... but i wouldnt bet on it happening in the forseeable future
Jan 04 12:25:40 <hrw> ogra_: here I can usually meet ubuntu/ARM people which may know more and often respond faster then ML
Jan 04 12:25:43 <hrw> ;)
Jan 04 12:26:35 <ogra_> well, all i know is that i'm told off every time i ask (which i do once every year at least) because we dont want to piss off our mirros
Jan 04 12:26:41 <ogra_> *mirrors
Jan 04 12:27:23 <ogra_> a.u.c is generally mirrored ... ports isnt (apart from a bunch of inofficial mirrors)
Jan 04 12:29:45 <hrw> k
Jan 04 15:31:04 <[cc]smart> i'm looking at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/precise-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+ac100.bootimg and find that the md5 sum doesnt match the MD5SUMS file, did retries, find the tar.gr match the MD5 sum. should be concerned ?
Jan 04 15:54:09 <ogra_> [cc]smart, just take an older one, someone tried to do a manual build that failed, so whats in current/ might actually be messed up
Jan 04 15:58:16 <[cc]smart> ogra_, unfortunately, previous one shows the same symptoms. happen to kknow an alternative source for hf bootimages ?
Jan 04 15:58:28 <ogra_> no
Jan 04 15:58:36 <ogra_> what are the samptoms ?
Jan 04 15:58:39 <ogra_> *sym.
Jan 04 15:58:43 <[cc]smart> thx anyways
Jan 04 15:58:50 <[cc]smart> mismatch in md5sum
Jan 04 15:58:59 <ogra_> the md5 of the bootimg file really shouldnt matter
Jan 04 15:59:06 <ogra_> as long as the tarball one is right
Jan 04 15:59:26 <[cc]smart> ok, i will in this case try current
Jan 04 16:06:37 <RoyK> erm... small issue here - I have ubuntu installed on a pandaboard, and in this small program, I try to call getuid(), but it seems to block on the getuid32() call: getuid32()                              = 0
Jan 04 16:06:41 <RoyK> any idea?
Jan 04 17:00:56 <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Do you know if the correct settings for the 4460 ever made it into the kernel/u-boot for Precise?
Jan 04 17:01:28 <ogra_> there are in the tree
Jan 04 17:01:39 <ogra_> not sure they made it into the packages yet
Jan 04 17:01:41 <GrueMaster> Ok.
Jan 04 17:02:07 <GrueMaster> I've been limiting my 4460 uptime as I didn't want to have a core meltdown.
Jan 04 17:02:46 <ogra_> i just put a cup of cold coffee on top ...
Jan 04 17:02:59 <ogra_> so its warm in the evening :P
Jan 04 17:03:43 <GrueMaster> Chip is too small and my coffee mug too big.  I'm afraid the mug would topple over or the board would shatter from the weight.
Jan 04 17:04:05 <ogra_> take "light coffee" then :)
Jan 04 17:04:14 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: they should all be in already
Jan 04 17:04:19 <GrueMaster> I have a small heatsink on it now.
Jan 04 17:04:24 <rsalveti> but depends a bit on the last rebase from ppisati
Jan 04 17:04:30 <ogra_> right
Jan 04 17:04:31 <rsalveti> but you should need only a newer kernel
Jan 04 17:04:32 <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Excellent.  I just hadn't heard what the status was.
Jan 04 17:21:17 <ppisati> the last P/omap4 should have all we need for 4460
Jan 04 17:21:28 <ogra_> awesome
Jan 04 17:21:30 <ppisati> GrueMaster: do you have overheating with P kernel?
Jan 04 17:21:55 <GrueMaster> I haven't tested on it yet.  Doing that now.
Jan 04 17:23:01 <GrueMaster> I have been doing most of my testing on my other pandas.  I just hadn't heard the status of this fix, that's why I asked.
Jan 04 17:23:08 <ppisati> k
Jan 04 17:23:50 <GrueMaster> I do occasionally fire up the 4460, but I don't run it for extended periods (the other systems are on 24/7 reimaging and testing core daily).
Jan 04 17:27:42 <ndec> if you have DVFS and thermal management, you should be good
Jan 04 17:27:48 <ogra_> i think it has a builtin fuse mechanism to shut down the power if it gets to hot
Jan 04 19:11:25 <shadeslayer> lilstevie: hey! :)
Jan 04 19:13:07 <shadeslayer> lilstevie: Any new breakthrough's on the transformer situation?
Jan 04 19:54:21 <GrueMaster> Hrm.  Using netinstall for precise armhf (possibly armel as well) to install Ubuntu Desktop to USB, Network Manager refuses to handle eth0.  System has connectivity, but doesn't list it in the applet.
Jan 04 19:55:02 <rcn-ee> it's not still in /etc/network/interfaces ?
Jan 04 19:55:07 <GrueMaster> Not sure how to file a bug on this one.  needs more testing.
Jan 04 19:56:03 <GrueMaster> rcn-ee: No, it is there.  Just not showing up in the applet, even after manually adding it to the wired connections list.
Jan 04 19:56:31 <GrueMaster> ifconfig shows a link as well.
Jan 04 19:56:54 <rcn-ee> you should drop it from there then, as last i check network-manager won't manage anything already listed in /etc/network/interfaces..
Jan 04 19:57:05 <infinity> GrueMaster: That doesn't sound like something that would be even remotely arch-specific.
Jan 04 19:57:29 <infinity> And yes, eth* shouldn't be in interfaces(5) at all on a fresh install.
Jan 04 19:57:38 <infinity> Unless you manually configured the adaptor.
Jan 04 19:57:39 <GrueMaster> No, I doubt it is even platform specific.  Just that I am currently testing armhf.
Jan 04 19:57:57 <infinity> Did you statically configure it in the installer?
Jan 04 19:58:22 <GrueMaster> Probably in my preseed.
Jan 04 19:58:27 <infinity> That would do it.
Jan 04 19:58:46 <infinity> network-manager won't show interfaces with a static config in inerfaces.
Jan 04 19:59:07 <GrueMaster> ah.
Jan 04 19:59:17 <GrueMaster> Well.  That sucks.
Jan 04 19:59:28 <infinity> It's by design.
Jan 04 19:59:51 <infinity> interfaces is considered canonical, network-manager and connman and other high-level tools shouldn't be allowed to override it.
Jan 04 20:00:16 <GrueMaster> Need the static conf in the preseed for automation, but need to remove it post-install.  Hrm.
Jan 04 20:00:27 <infinity> Eh?
Jan 04 20:00:40 <infinity> You can netboot with dhcp.
Jan 04 20:00:45 <infinity> I see no reason for a static config.
Jan 04 20:00:54 <GrueMaster> It is dhcp.
Jan 04 20:01:01 <rcn-ee> GrueMaster,  d-i preseed/late_command ;)
Jan 04 20:01:42 <GrueMaster> rcn-ee: My late_command is gettng a bit long as it is.
Jan 04 20:01:52 <infinity> Oh, you mean you're telling d-i it's a dhcp interface, and it's writing out interfaces(5) with "iface eth0 inet dhcp"?
Jan 04 20:02:30 <infinity> Fixing that could be complicated. :/
Jan 04 20:03:02 <GrueMaster> yep.
Jan 04 20:03:08 <infinity> Could just be one of the subtle d-i versus ubiquity differences we get to live with.  But there might be some clever way around it.
Jan 04 20:03:22 <infinity> (The problem is that we need precisely that behaviour for anything !desktop)
Jan 04 20:03:44 <infinity> So, there would have to be a package in ubuntu-desktop that actually reverts that setup.
Jan 04 20:03:47 <infinity> And only on install.
Jan 04 20:03:54 <infinity> So, a udeb produced from n-m or something equally icky.
Jan 04 20:04:01 <GrueMaster> http://paste.ubuntu.com/793062/ is my preseed for precise.
Jan 04 20:04:01 <rcn-ee> ah, mine was too, eventually i just added another script to "/usr/lib/finish-install.d/08-something" to the patched netinstall initramfs  and run a big script in a chroot..
Jan 04 20:05:04 <GrueMaster> I used tasksel post-install to install ubuntu-desktop.  Will try a preseed with ubuntu-desktop added.
Jan 04 20:06:11 <infinity> GrueMaster: I suspect it will end up the same either way.
Jan 04 20:06:51 <infinity> GrueMaster: Does it do the wrong thing if you change choose_interface to auto?
Jan 04 20:06:55 <GrueMaster> yea, probably.
Jan 04 20:07:28 <GrueMaster> It used to.  Not sure if it works properly.  Will run a quick spin to find out.
Jan 04 20:08:34 <infinity>     - Call /usr/lib/NetworkManager/ifblacklist_migrate.sh from
Jan 04 20:08:34 <infinity>       finish-install if present, so that 'auto dhcp' interfaces are disabled
Jan 04 20:08:35 <infinity>       if network-manager is in use.  May be preseeded away with
Jan 04 20:08:35 <infinity>       netcfg/network-manager.
Jan 04 20:08:36 <infinity> Hrm.
Jan 04 20:08:45 <infinity> Looks like netcfg has code to deal with this.
Jan 04 20:09:30 <infinity> And, supposedly, the code triggers by default...
Jan 04 20:09:49 <GrueMaster> Obviously well documented (considering the pain I went through to get this far with the preseed).
Jan 04 20:10:08 <infinity> Well, the preseed is an inverse.  You only need to preseed to PREVENT the mangling.
Jan 04 20:10:12 <infinity> It's meant to happen by default.
Jan 04 20:10:28 <infinity> So, maybe something's preventing netcfg's finish-install from running correctly.
Jan 04 20:10:34 <GrueMaster> Well, so far it seems to at least connect during netinstall with auto.
Jan 04 20:11:03 <GrueMaster> I'll know in ~15 minutes if this changes things.
Jan 04 20:11:39 <infinity> Hrm.  It might be that /usr/lib/NetworkManager/ifblacklist_migrate.sh is missing.
Jan 04 20:11:46 <GrueMaster> Seems to me I had to add that in for different platforms, and never changed it when I started using different preseeds for different systems.
Jan 04 20:11:56 <GrueMaster> Oh?
Jan 04 20:12:12 <infinity> Well, that's a wild guess.  Haven't looked at the precise n-m package yet.
Jan 04 20:12:56 <infinity> Oh!
Jan 04 20:12:58 <infinity> Wait.
Jan 04 20:13:05 <infinity> You used tasksel after the install was complete?
Jan 04 20:13:21 <infinity> As in, after d-i was done and you were dumped at a loging?
Jan 04 20:13:24 <infinity> login*
Jan 04 20:13:31 <infinity> If so, then yeah, preseeding ubuntu-desktop will fix it.
Jan 04 20:13:37 <GrueMaster> yea.  My bad?
Jan 04 20:13:42 <GrueMaster> ok.
Jan 04 20:13:50 <infinity> Cause this finish-install magic in netcfg is in the udeb (ie: in d-i), but it's checking if n-m is in the target.
Jan 04 20:13:53 * GrueMaster feels sheepish.
Jan 04 20:13:56 <infinity> So, n-m needs to be installed before d-i is done.
Jan 04 20:14:33 <GrueMaster> Well, better to raise the question here than in a launchpad bug report.
Jan 04 20:14:38 <infinity> Heh.
Jan 04 20:15:06 <infinity> S'ok, every time someone asks something like this, I research and learn a little bit more.
Jan 04 20:15:17 <infinity> Eventually, my head will explode, and paint the walls with d-i internals.
Jan 04 20:15:19 <infinity> It'll be pretty.
Jan 04 20:15:57 <GrueMaster> Yea, if you like crimson & gray walls.
Jan 04 20:16:14 <infinity> Pfft, it's d-i.  Yellow and blue walls.
Jan 04 20:17:16 <infinity> (I still refuse to admit that kirkland changed the terminal color palette for Ubuntu's d-i, yellow and blue for life!)
Jan 04 21:01:30 <badZeppelin> hi folks! I have managed to install sgx opengl drivers on my beagleboard now but only the powervr demo apps make use of those sgx libraries when I check with ldd
Jan 04 21:01:56 <badZeppelin> stock opengl apps like es2gears point to some other library that uses mesa software rasterizer
Jan 04 21:02:17 <badZeppelin> does anyone have a clue how I make all applications use the ones in /usr/lib
Jan 05 00:35:34 <nOStahl> hi guys
Jan 05 00:41:49 <nOStahl> so this arm stuff... it will be full featured ubuntu?
Jan 05 00:42:39 <infinity> s/will be/is/
Jan 05 00:43:41 <nOStahl> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/cubox-is-a-sexy-ice-cube-sized-arm-computer-20111221/
Jan 05 00:43:47 <GrueMaster> We have full Ubuntu desktop and Server images now.
Jan 05 00:43:57 <nOStahl> so something like that could be a decent computer for a web developer?
Jan 05 00:44:43 <GrueMaster> Might.  Looking.
Jan 05 00:44:54 <infinity> Yeah.
Jan 05 00:45:01 <infinity> And that article is wrong.
Jan 05 00:45:02 <GrueMaster> 1G ddr3, Armv7.  Not bad.
Jan 05 00:45:13 <infinity> It claims "ARM7" where they meant "ARMv7"
Jan 05 00:45:47 <nOStahl> interesting
Jan 05 00:45:47 <infinity> nOStahl: But, yes, other than the part where we don't ship a kernel in the archive for that box, it will run Ubuntu just fine.
Jan 05 00:45:57 <GrueMaster> Hrm.  Marvell Armada 510.  could be arm7.
Jan 05 00:46:04 <infinity> GrueMaster: No, the 510 is v7.
Jan 05 00:46:13 <GrueMaster> ok
Jan 05 00:46:29 <nOStahl> ubuntu arm needs to be marketed to the Off grid crowd
Jan 05 00:46:37 <nOStahl> people that live on solar and wind power systems
Jan 05 00:46:48 <nOStahl> they are very interested in low wattage computers :)
Jan 05 00:47:13 <infinity> But this article makes it sound like the Pi is "better" since 11 is a bigger number than 7.
Jan 05 00:47:20 <infinity> They really need to fix that. :P
Jan 05 00:47:41 <nOStahl> Pi is cheaper :)
Jan 05 00:48:02 <infinity> Yeah, but Ubuntu won't run on the Pi.
Jan 05 00:48:22 <GrueMaster> nOStahl: If you get one of these and can get a working image assembled, I think we can add it to the community supported list.
Jan 05 00:48:24 <infinity> The Pi is also fairly crippled.  Fun toy device, likely frustrating to people who want to run a general purpose OS.
Jan 05 00:48:28 <nOStahl> the Pi shipped with an ubuntu image
Jan 05 00:48:37 <nOStahl> I read in an article on the PI
Jan 05 00:49:01 <infinity> nOStahl: Err.  Shipped to who?
Jan 05 00:49:10 <nOStahl> let me find it.
Jan 05 00:49:16 <nOStahl> they auctioned off 10 demo boards
Jan 05 00:49:45 <infinity> Yeah.  They've only barely started shipping, AFAIK.  And there's no way they're running Ubuntu, since it would have to be an ancient release (karmic or earlier).
Jan 05 00:50:02 <nOStahl> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/raspberry-pi-the-25-usb-sized-ubuntu-pc/
Jan 05 00:50:16 <nOStahl> 9.10 I think it said
Jan 05 00:50:35 <GrueMaster> 9.04.
Jan 05 00:50:36 <GrueMaster> Yuck
Jan 05 00:50:53 <infinity> That's just plain not true.
Jan 05 00:51:07 <GrueMaster> We were barely dabbling in arm back then.  And that was armv5.
Jan 05 00:51:07 <infinity> Unless they did a scorched earth rebuild.  Which seems unlikely.
Jan 05 00:51:18 <infinity> Oh, wait.
Jan 05 00:51:23 <infinity> I'm getting my years mixed up.
Jan 05 00:51:38 <infinity> 9.04 would run on it, yeah.
Jan 05 00:51:49 <infinity> I still can't see them shipping with it, though.
Jan 05 00:52:04 <infinity> Since they even amended their own FAQ to point out that Ubuntu isn't compatible...
Jan 05 00:52:08 <nOStahl> it would be great for running video displays in public restrooms :)
Jan 05 00:52:25 <GrueMaster> 9.04 - armv5.  9.10 - armv6+vfp.  10.04-11.10 - armv7 soft float.
Jan 05 00:52:46 <GrueMaster> Heh.
Jan 05 00:53:11 <infinity> Anyhow.  Way far afield.  If you want a Pi, run Debian.  Beats running an ancient and unsupported Ubuntu.
Jan 05 00:53:15 <infinity> But that other box should run Ubuntu great.
Jan 05 00:53:33 <infinity> And if someone wants to send me one...
Jan 05 00:53:35 <infinity> *shifty look*
Jan 05 00:53:37 <nOStahl> what kind of options are there for netbooks
Jan 05 00:53:51 <infinity> Netbook selection is woefully crap still, which is sad.
Jan 05 00:54:09 <GrueMaster> Well, funny you should ask.  Currently, we have a release for the Toshiba AC100.
Jan 05 00:54:22 <nOStahl> googling
Jan 05 00:54:29 <infinity> But the Tranfsormer Prime (ie: tablet + keyboard dock) can pretend to be a Netbook quite well.  And with recent announcements of a bootloader unlocker from ASUS, I expect we'll ramp up support for them "soon".
Jan 05 00:54:51 <GrueMaster> I hear there is work being done in the community to get running on the Asus Prime, but I don't know the status of that endeavor.
Jan 05 00:55:03 <infinity> (And I'd rather have a Prime than an only-available-on-eBay AC100)
Jan 05 00:55:17 <GrueMaster> Very true.
Jan 05 00:55:34 <GrueMaster> It's sad that M$ pretty much killed the netbook market.
Jan 05 00:55:55 <infinity> It's sad that the hardware vendors let them.
Jan 05 00:55:59 <nOStahl> I Have an asus eeepc 901
Jan 05 00:56:12 <nOStahl> I get 8 hours on a charge easy with it. little atom guy
Jan 05 00:56:22 <infinity> If that insane artificial 1GB RAM limit hadn't been enforced, netbooks would have been great.
Jan 05 00:56:29 <nOStahl> what kind of battery lengths will arm platforms give me
Jan 05 00:56:34 <GrueMaster> I have an Acer Aspire One 532h.  64 bit and with an ssd, boots Ubuntu in ~12 seconds.
Jan 05 00:56:51 <infinity> nOStahl: My AC100 will run under heavy load all day.  The difference is that it's less than half the weight of your Atom netbook.
Jan 05 00:57:04 <GrueMaster> My AC100 lasted for well over 5 hours while flying across the US.
Jan 05 00:57:29 <GrueMaster> recompiling & testing banshee the whole way.
Jan 05 00:58:09 <infinity> My Lenovo S10-3 (Atom N450) and AC100 (Tegra2) last around the same under similar loads.  But the former burns my lap, while the latter doesn't get warm.  And the former is heavy as heck.  The latter is pretty much the weight of a pad of paper.
Jan 05 00:58:52 <GrueMaster> Yea, the AC100 is a lot smaller.  I can fit two in the same sleave I use for my Acer.
Jan 05 00:59:03 <GrueMaster> Smaller meaning thinner.
Jan 05 01:00:34 <nOStahl> ya my 901 has two ssd's in it.
Jan 05 01:00:57 <nOStahl> the new one I bought for it is dead now though
Jan 05 01:01:16 <nOStahl> kernel paniced randomly tried a diff installation on it and it cant finish installing now heh
Jan 05 01:04:30 <nOStahl> so ubuntu -arm can watch youtube videos and everything? (flash support)
Jan 05 01:04:43 <GrueMaster> I had similar issues on my first Acer Aspire One with the proprietary Intel SSD.  Har to rma it twice (first time Acer just dumped Windows back on it and moved the partition table).
Jan 05 01:08:32 <nOStahl> its going to be a neat world in 5 years
Jan 05 01:11:38 <nOStahl> I can see myself with a little arm media server hooked up to the tv
Jan 05 01:16:32 <GrueMaster> You can pretty much do that now with a panda board.
Jan 05 01:16:57 <GrueMaster> I haven't tried it, but it should work well as a mythtv client system.
Jan 05 01:20:15 <nOStahl> all of my viewing online comes from hulu.com or crackle.com etc.
Jan 05 01:20:24 <nOStahl> occasional redbox
Jan 05 01:20:37 <nOStahl> keeps me from having to buy hard drives all the time :P
Jan 05 01:34:33 <infinity> nOStahl: Flash on ARM is usually a non-starter, unless you hack and slash binaries from Android devices.
Jan 05 01:34:48 <infinity> nOStahl: But youtube has an html5 option now.
Jan 05 01:46:07 <nOStahl> ah
Jan 05 01:46:30 <nOStahl> I was just reading article of speculation of apple moving from intel to arm processors
Jan 05 01:46:43 <nOStahl> brb
Jan 05 01:46:47 <nOStahl> rebooting
Jan 05 01:53:31 <twb> "speculation"?  What do you think their iOS kit runs on
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