**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 09 02:59:58 2012 Feb 09 07:38:19 list ubuntu-arm Feb 09 08:07:45 hello , does ubuntu11.10 for panda has no h264enc codec? i run the gst to encode h264 failed, who knows ? Feb 09 08:20:26 can anybody help me with ARM NEON? Feb 09 08:29:39 Good morning, can anybody help me with vector permutation using ARM NEON? Feb 09 10:24:26 TheMuso, hey, i meant the other paz00/alc patches ... i dotn know if all of them made it into the recent version we have Feb 09 10:26:08 GrueMaster, I am looking at the two main FTBFS you brought up. thanks Feb 09 11:42:41 * ogra_ curses, seems my install is seriously scrwed :( Feb 09 11:48:19 * ogra_ curses mono Feb 09 11:49:36 ogra_, what does mono do in your install? Feb 09 11:49:59 fail the assembly install from the postinst Feb 09 11:50:16 but what requires it, it's not in default install right? Feb 09 11:50:31 note that my system got upgraded from natty over oneiric to precise, i have a lot of shit installed that shouldnt be there Feb 09 11:50:46 * ogra_ is just trying to get rid of mono Feb 09 11:51:07 also i hacked the alternatives for nvidiy-tegra, that fails too Feb 09 11:54:50 * ogra_ tries to purge everything with -cil in the name, lets see if makes it any better Feb 09 11:56:26 silly mono crap .... and nobody to fix it :( Feb 09 11:56:56 ogra_: the latest mono at least installed on my machine but its asserting all the time Feb 09 11:57:18 right, for me it seems to already breal when the assembly update happens Feb 09 11:57:27 luckily we dropped it from the images Feb 09 11:57:37 still thats a basd situation Feb 09 11:57:45 *bad Feb 09 12:08:32 grmbl Feb 09 12:11:02 update-alternatives: error: alternative nvidia_drv can't be slave of arm-linux-gnueabi_egl_conf: it is a slave of gl_conf Feb 09 12:11:15 i really wonder how i broke that Feb 09 12:12:40 ogra_: i fixed it on my machine by removing the slave of gl_conf Feb 09 12:13:10 in the nvidia-tegra package ? Feb 09 12:13:28 i think the bug are simply that the old nvidia-tegra package added the slave for gl_conf Feb 09 12:13:54 so the bug is in the state saved in update-alternatives Feb 09 12:14:18 well, thats bad, the new package should have a fix for it Feb 09 12:16:06 i think i ran update-alternatives --remove gl_conf Feb 09 12:16:12 before configuring the new package Feb 09 12:16:27 it will remove gl_conf and all associated slaves Feb 09 12:19:10 ogra_: try ask someone who better understand this alternative system Feb 09 12:19:49 how the transition from non-multiarch to multiarch are supposed to work Feb 09 12:19:55 well, i know enough about alterbnatives, i'm just to lazy to weed through all the postinst scripts :P Feb 09 12:20:34 the QA team will have a fun time hitting all these upgrade QA issues Feb 09 12:20:49 when testing oneiric -> precise upgrades Feb 09 12:21:06 i dont think they test ac100 upgrades Feb 09 12:34:15 ogra_, the alternatives issue I saw as well, but was not sure if it is not caused by my broken manual alternatives renaming earlier Feb 09 12:34:43 maybe preinst should have something to remove the early names indeed Feb 09 12:35:09 but I do not understand alternatives well either Feb 09 12:35:14 yeah, something like that ... i fiddled with the alternatives as well, though Feb 09 12:36:47 i think the prob is that egl is already a slave of gl ... the driver wants to create a slave for a slave Feb 09 12:37:37 * ogra_ purges mesas egl stuff for a test Feb 09 12:39:04 hmm, intreasting, that removes gimp Feb 09 12:40:05 who would have guessed :) Feb 09 12:40:23 im surprised that gimp needs egl Feb 09 12:42:06 well, it also installs a ton of QT packages that seem to have been held back Feb 09 12:44:04 i wonder if we missed a transition here Feb 09 13:33:18 cooloney: ok, I'm spinning a source package now with the change to changelog (guess I need to retag too :-/) Feb 09 13:33:37 I'll dump my branch onto zinc once its done Feb 09 13:34:30 cooloney: also need to delete all non-revelant changelog entries Feb 09 13:35:12 NCommander: yeah, please send me patch Feb 09 13:35:31 let me update the git tree Feb 09 13:36:01 cooloney: great Feb 09 13:36:04 give me a sec to continue smacking Feb 09 13:36:51 argh Feb 09 13:36:56 Freaking changelog manager Feb 09 13:37:03 * NCommander headthunks Feb 09 13:37:46 we have a manager for that ? Feb 09 13:37:59 how much does he earn per month ? Feb 09 13:38:01 :P Feb 09 13:39:51 * NCommander hits ogra_ with a brick Feb 09 13:40:25 hey, one day i'll build a house... i already have a good collection of your bricks Feb 09 13:41:58 * NCommander his ogra_ with a rock Feb 09 13:42:01 *hits Feb 09 13:42:07 * ogra_ reboots after that dist upgrade finally finished (that took half my workday, sigh) Feb 09 13:42:26 * ogra_ throws a mono stack at NCommander Feb 09 13:42:44 * NCommander cuts it in half with his libO foo Feb 09 13:47:05 cooloney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/835214/ - plz apply Feb 09 13:47:38 * NCommander dumps linux-armadaxp into a PPA to testbuild properly Feb 09 13:50:27 wm8650 Feb 09 13:51:33 NCommander: meta will be ready soon. thx janimo Feb 09 13:52:34 uploading to a ppa now to testbuild (not sure all the necessary changes to get the _all packages to build prpoerly made it in) Feb 09 13:53:17 going to go get some food, will return Feb 09 13:53:27 cooloney, you're welcome Feb 09 13:54:19 janimo: for testing build meta, what's kind of build target should i use? Feb 09 13:54:27 fdr clean; fdr binary? Feb 09 13:54:44 hmm, I think I just used debuild -us -uc when testing Feb 09 13:55:03 as it builds very fast - nothing to actually build but the metadatat under debian/ Feb 09 13:55:24 what you say is equivalent I guess Feb 09 13:55:58 janimo: yeah, i got it Feb 09 14:03:59 NCommander: i saw you patch, did you miss to change 3.0.0 to 3.0.17? Feb 09 14:08:03 cooloney: infinity gave a good reason not to include it Feb 09 14:08:39 NCommander: i miss that reason, why? Feb 09 14:09:00 NCommander: let me change back the meta package from 3.0.17 to 3.0.0 Feb 09 14:09:26 cooloney: because its a leftoer when we used 2.6.x, including the sub-minor just means the version number cahnges a LOT and is a pain Feb 09 14:09:34 NCommander: looks like we have to stick to the tradition Feb 09 14:09:42 yeah Feb 09 14:18:14 NCommander: how about i fold your patch to my previous commit Feb 09 14:18:28 NCommander: and i will push out this change again Feb 09 14:18:40 cooloney: that's fine. you'll probably get a few more patches as I'm not sure this will build onteh buildds (doing a PPA test build to check) Feb 09 14:20:42 NCommander: great Feb 09 14:22:14 NCommander: meta package is here, git://kernel.ubuntu.com/roc/linux-meta-armadaxp.git Feb 09 14:22:21 great Feb 09 14:22:36 NCommander: please help to review and upload. Feb 09 14:23:26 or the gitweb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=roc/linux-meta-armadaxp.git/.git;a=summary Feb 09 14:33:32 NCommander: kernel git tree is also updated with your patch Feb 09 14:33:46 * cooloney gonna go to sleep Feb 09 14:33:55 good night, folks Feb 09 14:44:13 cooloney: sleep well Feb 09 14:50:37 ogra_, are the armhf omap sgx drivers coming? Feb 09 14:50:55 janimo, at some point, yeah ... with dropping of el Feb 09 14:51:03 NCommander, cooloney wonder why is linux-armadaxp building for i386 too Feb 09 14:51:04 TI will only support one Feb 09 14:51:29 janimo: arch-all voodoo, whichis why I wanted to do a test build to see if it actually will build properly. Feb 09 14:51:31 for the brave that want to run armada kernels on pentiums :) Feb 09 14:51:35 ogra_, are they waiting for something or next release will automatically be armhf? Feb 09 14:51:54 janimo, next will ... they dont have time and manpower, so we have to wait Feb 09 14:52:00 ok Feb 09 14:52:18 * ogra_ finally finds the time to test janimo's new kernel ... Feb 09 14:52:24 do we wait with switching images over to armhf only until they arrive? Feb 09 14:52:27 though thats probably brave right before a meeting :) Feb 09 14:52:41 ogra_, heh, as long as you don't suspend it should not be an issue :) Feb 09 14:52:49 janimo, nope, we switch when we switch ... up to them to react then Feb 09 14:53:27 ah, they may not want to put any effort in it until it is 100% 12.04 is armhf primarily Feb 09 14:53:52 might be, we wont wait for them though Feb 09 14:54:34 * ogra_ installs Feb 09 14:54:41 sure. what about nvidia/ac100? Not sure if they even promised armhf this cycle Feb 09 14:54:50 no idea Feb 09 14:54:54 likely not Feb 09 14:55:13 I'd still switch to armhf by default on ac100 Feb 09 14:55:14 same thing for omap3 ... ask rsalveti about that one Feb 09 14:55:36 ok, in today's meeting probably Feb 09 14:55:46 yeah, me too i guess, though that means a cross grade or some such for me ... i dont want to lose all my data Feb 09 14:56:02 nvidia have produced armhf drivers for meego in the past Feb 09 14:56:07 * ogra_ reboots into new kernel Feb 09 14:56:16 do we have any nvidia person to ask directly? Feb 09 14:56:49 * janimo wonders what kind of unbackupable/unrestorable heaps of data may ogra's ac100 hold that he cannot just wipe and reinstall armhf Feb 09 14:57:17 i doubt they will support it officially but they may create an armhf build for distribution with a specific distribution Feb 09 14:57:44 xranby, well a binary dump as their current driver is would suffuce Feb 09 15:05:26 janimo: i think it basically boils down to find someone who have access to nvdeveloper.nvidia.com and ask for a rebuild Feb 09 15:05:51 the build will then be uploaded to NV online for use by a specific distribution Feb 09 15:06:37 this request can possibly be made by someone with influence in the oem team Feb 09 15:06:55 xranby, yes, I know some of them work with nvidia occasionally Feb 09 15:08:36 try pull one of those strings, i think thats the only way to get a driver into armhf at this point Feb 09 15:09:53 xranby, last I heard we needed a new armel rebuild for the new x11 abi. But I am not sure if that arrived or not Feb 09 15:10:20 janimo, that happened two uploads before you touched the package ;) Feb 09 15:10:33 janimo: for armel nvidia was kind to at least include a v11 abi version next to the v10 abi version Feb 09 15:10:42 in the same upstream tarball Feb 09 15:11:00 so i think we have that allready :) Feb 09 15:11:04 yep Feb 09 15:11:11 * ogra_ is currently using it Feb 09 15:11:29 well I saw xabi6 through 11 in the upstream binaries but was not sure the last one was ok or needed a newer rebuild Feb 09 15:11:32 and given ui checked the changelog today i can say that it was switched at -0ubuntuX still Feb 09 15:11:50 it has issues with the 11 abi though Feb 09 15:12:01 i have a lot of composite messups on my screen Feb 09 15:12:17 ogra_, yes, I think that is what I remembered, it may not be 'the final abi11 rebuild' Feb 09 15:12:35 hopefully Feb 09 15:12:51 well, its still usable and i like that it saves so much ram Feb 09 15:13:07 so i'll keep it running, hoping the best from nvidia Feb 09 18:48:19 no usb-creator for arm? Feb 09 18:50:54 apparently not. Odd, considering it is just a python script (I think). Feb 09 18:55:27 Probably because it depends on i386/amd64 only packages (syslinux). Feb 09 19:26:44 GrueMaster: Definitely because of that, in fact. Feb 09 19:30:57 GrueMaster: btw i tried applying those two patches that were posted on that analog sound -panda board bug and no love Feb 09 19:31:42 Ok, good to know. make sure you update the bug report. Thanks. Feb 09 19:32:07 ah you mean i need to create a launchpad account Feb 09 19:32:11 ;) Feb 09 19:32:48 (totally joking, ill update the bug) Feb 09 19:32:57 heh Feb 09 19:40:35 comment posted Feb 09 19:41:12 and a little more info added Feb 09 20:07:28 btw: Do you have a Panda or a Panda ES? Feb 09 20:07:37 pbuckley: ^^^ Feb 09 20:08:32 es Feb 09 20:08:46 have two of em on my desk right now Feb 09 20:09:08 one is my desktop, the other is my development target Feb 09 20:09:35 I think the alsaucm rules need to be changed for that system. Feb 09 20:10:01 any idea what too? my alsa foo is non-existant other then knowing where the config files exist Feb 09 20:12:35 I'm booting up to look. Feb 09 20:13:20 cool thank you Feb 09 20:17:36 I think there may be a couple of places this needs fixing. First, /lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-ucm.rules, then /usr/share/alsa/ucm. Feb 09 20:22:48 The 90-alsa-ucm.rules is a simple fix. Just run "sudo sed -i 's/Panda/Panda|PandaES/g' /lib/udev/90-alsa-ucm.rules". Feb 09 20:23:46 The /usr/share/alsa/ucm part is a little more involved. Need to copy the Panda directory to PandaES, then edit all the files inside to reflect PandaES instead of Panda. Feb 09 20:25:25 vi sweet Feb 09 20:25:34 my ears thank you.. trying it now Feb 09 20:31:29 I'll file a new bug on alsa-utils & libasound2, then go about getting them fixed. Even if the kernel is still borked, they will need these fixes. Feb 09 20:33:59 GrueMaster: Yay, I get to duplicate that code again? :) Feb 09 20:34:26 ??? Feb 09 20:34:48 GrueMaster: The alsa ucm bits. Feb 09 20:35:00 I suppose we can just ship symlinks. Feb 09 20:35:06 Oh, no. We can't, Feb 09 20:35:13 Cause the board ID is in the files. Feb 09 20:35:16 *grumble* Feb 09 20:35:20 Oh. Nah, simple fix. Already on it. Feb 09 20:35:22 Now I remember why I copied it all. Feb 09 20:36:04 I got this one. You can fix ksysguardd. :P Feb 09 20:36:22 Heh. Feb 09 20:36:31 Or, I can attend more meetings! Feb 09 20:36:35 \o/ Feb 09 20:38:11 meetings, huzzah! Feb 09 20:39:54 Meetings == snooze time. Feb 09 20:40:21 $ alsaucm -c PandaES set _verb HiFi Feb 09 20:40:22 Im setting defaults Feb 09 20:40:22 ALSA lib main.c:276:(execute_sequence) unable to execute cset 'name='HS Left Playback' 1' Feb 09 20:40:24 ALSA lib main.c:1460:(set_verb_user) error: failed to initialize new use case: HiFi Feb 09 20:40:28 alsaucm: error failed to set _verb=HiFi: No such file or directory Feb 09 20:40:30 i probably foobar'd something Feb 09 20:40:32 hrmm Feb 09 20:43:11 for file in *; do sudo sed -i 's/Panda/PandaES/g' $file; done Feb 09 20:43:13 basically just did that Feb 09 20:43:26 in the /usr/share/alsa/ucm/PandaES directory Feb 09 20:43:33 (ill just wait for you to commit a fix) Feb 09 20:45:45 wip. Any chance you can post your new shiney kernel (just the uImage) for me to test here? Feb 09 20:45:59 Otherwise I'll have to rebuild it. Feb 09 20:48:01 ogra_: afaik those other patches are for the kernel I think. Feb 09 20:50:22 yeh, where do you want it? Feb 09 20:50:28 i have the deb's too if you want Feb 09 20:50:41 Someplace accessible. Feb 09 20:50:56 hrm that might tricky.. can you do dcc? Feb 09 20:51:47 I might. Not sure if quassel-core can handle it. Give it a whirl, worst case it blows up my rack of servers. :P Feb 09 20:51:53 heh Feb 09 20:52:40 get it? Feb 09 20:52:59 TheMuso: I'm getting ready to patch alsa-libs & alsa-utils for PandaES. Should I just push them into bzr branches or do you want me to push to alsa-project as well? Feb 09 20:53:02 12:52 DCC SEND request sent to gruemaster: linux-image-3.2.0-1405-omap4_3.2.0-1405.7+soundfix_armhf.deb Feb 09 20:53:37 pbuckley: I see the request. Not sure how to handle it. One sec. Feb 09 20:53:45 /dcc accept? Feb 09 20:54:23 hrm. Feb 09 20:54:35 TheMuso, oh, ok, i just noticed that there were more patches in the list archive, if its all kernel it should be fine Feb 09 20:55:06 unfortunately the deb is 20MB which is a little to big for my email system.. lets see if i can sneak it on a web server Feb 09 20:55:07 GrueMaster: Push them into a bzr branch for now. I was actually going to ask you guys about the ucm files for the ARM stuff, we currently carry that. DO you want it all to go upstream? Feb 09 20:55:24 pbuckley: No dice. Quassel doesn't support it yet. Give me a minute. Feb 09 20:55:28 k Feb 09 20:56:01 BTW how is armhf looking for precise, as in supportability etc? Feb 09 20:56:07 TheMuso: I think they should, yes. I haven't updated my alsa git trees in ages, but it isn't a big deal. Feb 09 20:56:27 armhf is rock solid (with a few cracks). Feb 09 20:56:32 ive been having pretty good luck with armhf Feb 09 20:56:32 Ok, I know they are not upstream yet. Feb 09 20:57:20 I presume such cracks are no big deal, i.e they are not major. Feb 09 20:58:21 pbuckley: Ok, send it to my other nick (GrueMaster-web). Feb 09 20:58:39 sent Feb 09 20:59:09 12:59 gruemaster-web SEND: 0B of 19MB (0%) - 0.00kB/s - ETA (stalled) - Feb 09 20:59:30 how big can attachments be on gmail? Feb 09 20:59:48 lets see Feb 09 21:00:02 Not sure, but it should be smaller than the dirty jokes my mother sends. Email away. Feb 09 21:00:13 lol Feb 09 21:00:19 email? Feb 09 21:00:23 (address that is) Feb 09 21:00:54 gruemaster@gmail.com (what else would I be :P) Feb 09 21:01:01 leet Feb 09 21:01:43 sending Feb 09 21:01:51 my internet here isn't the fastest.. give it like 10min Feb 09 21:02:43 np. Feb 09 21:02:57 Not like I have nothing else to do. :P Feb 09 21:05:03 rsalveti: Linaro is already working on the alsa-ucm??? Good to know. Feb 09 21:05:17 k Feb 09 21:05:19 it should be sent Feb 09 21:05:28 let me know if you need the headers deb too Feb 09 21:16:16 GrueMaster: receive the email ok? Feb 09 21:16:36 yes, installing now. thx Feb 09 21:17:12 no no, thank you :) Feb 09 21:45:37 WOOT! Sweet stereo analog on Panda ES is back. Feb 09 21:46:06 Dosen't help that they change the control names for every release. Feb 09 21:48:49 sweet, so that kernel worked? Feb 09 21:49:01 hello. could someone point me to a hardfp build of ubuntu? Feb 09 21:49:12 nm Feb 09 21:49:14 i am silly. Feb 09 21:49:14 Between your kernel and me mucking with the ucm config files, yes. Feb 09 21:49:28 nice! thats great news.. that just means im doing something stupid Feb 09 21:50:13 I'm going to pasebin the /usr/share/alsa/ucm/PandaES/hifi file for you. Hang on. Feb 09 21:50:18 thank you Feb 09 21:51:07 http://paste.ubuntu.com/8358000 Feb 09 21:51:36 Oops. remove one 0 Feb 09 21:52:14 got it.. brb going to reboot with that kernel Feb 09 21:52:36 Make the ucm change first. That way you only need one reboot. Feb 09 22:26:50 I HAVE SOUND! Feb 09 22:26:51 :D Feb 09 22:27:43 thanks GrueMaster Feb 09 22:28:17 Excellent. Feb 09 22:30:44 GrueMaster: the multimedia working group is trying to get it properly fixed Feb 09 22:30:46 for all the boards Feb 09 22:31:03 Great. Feb 09 22:31:10 it's a working in progress atm, but tgall_foo is also trying to get it working at our images Feb 09 22:31:18 so then we can simply push a new change to precise Feb 09 22:31:29 and get it all working not one day before the release :-) Feb 09 22:31:31 yes .. "work in progress" is important to keep in mind Feb 09 22:32:00 Feature freeze is also important to keep in mind... Feb 09 22:32:12 I'd prefer having any ucm configs in precise by FF. Feb 09 22:33:40 The "Work in progress" part bothers me a bit. This is a simple fix. I have it working here out of tree (took 10 minutes). I can easily push it to alsa-lib and alsa-utils and have it working in the next image (assuming the kernel update also lands soon). Feb 09 22:34:15 (ive duplicated the success for what its worth) Feb 09 22:35:20 GrueMaster: alsa-utils is currently being tested at least for x86 in ~ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa, so what would you prefer be done? Wait till they come out of testing and are uploaded to precise proper, or get them uploaded now, and merged back when the update to 1.0.25 of alsa-utils is done? Feb 09 22:36:39 TheMuso: The alsa-utils fix is just a fix for 90-alsa-ucm.rules (and I need to check to see if it even needs fixing). Feb 09 22:36:51 The other part is alsa-lib which has the ucm config changes. Feb 09 22:37:21 I haven't checked, but I don't think they are upstream. Feb 09 22:39:06 GrueMaster: it is being developed upstream but you're right I don't believe it's captured in a current alsa release , wei_feng would know for sure Feb 09 22:39:27 * Dr_Who points to #linaro-multimedia tho i don't see feng at the mo Feb 09 22:39:46 Dr_Who: I'm updating my alsa-project git trees now and not seeing anything. Feb 09 22:39:57 (not counting the drivers). Feb 09 22:40:55 I'd recommend talking to Feng, he's the expert Feb 09 22:59:42 pbuckley: Looks like the fix is even easier than I thought. No need to change /lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-ucm.rules. Just a minor tweek to the ucm configs (sudo sed -i 's/HS/Headset' /usr/alsa/ucm/Panda/*) and it works. Feb 09 23:00:01 Plus your kernel patches. Feb 09 23:02:14 nice.. hopefully that makes it easier to get into the mainline (right terminology? im new to this whole open source dev thing) Feb 09 23:02:49 Yea. Feb 09 23:04:04 TheMuso: looking at the ppa, alsa-libs isn't there. No update for it? Feb 09 23:09:24 GrueMaster: I accdidentally jumped the gun and its in precise already, may be reverting though as there may be issues with flash of all things... But not sure if the new libc may have had something to do with it or not. Still testing that out here. Feb 09 23:10:01 Heh. I just blame flash. Feb 09 23:10:27 I'd like to but... Feb 09 23:10:47 yea, I know... Feb 09 23:12:54 can we all just move to html5 already Feb 09 23:13:10 heh. Feb 09 23:14:02 I thought the goal was to move to Silverlight? :P Feb 09 23:15:07 TheMuso: The flash/libc thing should be fixed in today's upload. Feb 09 23:15:18 that was even a joke inside of microsoft (at least the group i was in). (disclaimer, i didn't intentionally get a job there. They acquired a company I was working for) Feb 09 23:16:09 TheMuso: It was related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/929713 Feb 09 23:16:11 Launchpad bug 929713 in eglibc "audio unreliable with eglibc 2.15" [Critical,Fix released] Feb 09 23:19:11 pbuckley: It would be a better joke if it wasn't widely deployed by Netflix. :/ Feb 09 23:19:49 yeh i need to bug some of my buddies who went over there to find out the real reason they are using it Feb 09 23:19:54 my guess is microsoft gave them a pile of cash Feb 09 23:20:01 as per their sop Feb 09 23:20:53 I can't get Hulu in Canada so don't know much about it. Is it in the same boat, or did they go with saner tech? Feb 09 23:21:01 hulu is flash Feb 09 23:21:14 Well, I'm not sure that's "saner", but... It's not Silverlight? Feb 09 23:22:36 true.. and they do have a reasonable explanation why they haven't switched to html5. That is if you agree with the whole concept of intellectual property. Feb 09 23:23:03 I don't really understand how Flash and Silverlight became video delivery media anyway. Feb 09 23:23:04 infinity: Ah ok thanks. Feb 09 23:23:27 they were better then the

tags available at the time Feb 09 23:23:38 and they have support for drm Feb 09 23:23:41 I agree with the concept of IP. I don't agree with the draconian DRM and absurdly high prices. Feb 09 23:23:48 We solved the streaming video thing more than a decade ago... And then, due to "if you have a hammer, everything looks like nails" web developers, we started using VECTOR-BASED ANIMATION ENGINES to stream video? Feb 09 23:23:52 Brilliant. Feb 09 23:24:43 pbuckley: As someone who doesn't live in the US, DRM and I are usually not on good terms. Feb 09 23:24:59 infinity: Hey, at least flash isn't doing pixel based rendering on Linux anymore. Feb 09 23:25:02 have you tried the x-forward-for thing? Feb 09 23:25:08 that gets around alot of the drm right now Feb 09 23:25:13 There's absolutely nothing more frustrating than the dozens of links from FB/G+/Twitter/etc to news stories, TV clips, and such that "aren't available in my area". Feb 09 23:25:19 (at least for geoip based drm) Feb 09 23:25:29 pbuckley: Yeah, I could just proxy. It's not worth the effort. Feb 09 23:25:54 the x-forward-for thing is just to prepend something like x-forward-for: Feb 09 23:26:03 to the html header Feb 09 23:26:13 As in, pretend that I'm proxying for a US client? Feb 09 23:26:20 yeh Feb 09 23:26:31 Are there ffox plugins to spoof that with minimal fuss? Feb 09 23:26:38 i think so Feb 09 23:26:48 i had to do it a couple months ago when i was in mexico Feb 09 23:26:58 let me see if i can find it in my bookmarks Feb 09 23:27:03 I might look into that. An extra 40 bytes on every HTTP request doesn't sound too bad to get around some stupidity. Feb 09 23:27:30 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/x-forwarded-for-spoofer/ Feb 09 23:28:00 And I'll have to re-pack the xpi. Feb 09 23:28:08 Not available for FF10, my ass. Feb 09 23:28:13 pbuckley: But thanks. :) Feb 09 23:28:14 lol Feb 09 23:28:15 np Feb 09 23:28:26 pbuckley: I'll fiddle with the manifest later and give it a whirl. Feb 09 23:28:36 If this lets me watch Comedy Central clips, I'll be a happy camper. Feb 09 23:28:54 Every time someone links to a Daily Show clip, I get progressively more annoyed. Feb 09 23:29:08 * pbuckley links to a daily show clip Feb 09 23:29:14 * pbuckley hides Feb 09 23:29:14 Especially given the irony that, I suspect, Jon Stewart would be more than happy with everyone in the world watching it. Feb 09 23:42:59 infinity: This may be your lucky day. I can't reproduce the ksysguardd crash on today's build. Feb 09 23:55:35 0!0@ Feb 09 23:55:51 whoops Feb 10 00:05:33 GrueMaster: Shiny. Feb 10 00:10:14 @0!0@ <-- ferengi Feb 10 00:11:32 heh Feb 10 00:31:23 Hi, rabbitmq-server won't run on my ubuntu-arm (precision server edition) Feb 10 00:31:42 tried activemq? Feb 10 00:31:52 Here is the error i always get - http://www.fpaste.org/wRVS/ - on installing it. Feb 10 00:32:25 /var/log/rabbitmq/startup <- whats in here? Feb 10 00:34:18 http://www.fpaste.org/WOdt/ Feb 10 00:34:34 thats useful :\ Feb 10 00:34:37 hrmm Feb 10 00:36:21 is there an init/upstart-job? looked at the init script to see how its calling it and tried calling it directly? Feb 10 00:36:26 sorry im not a rabbidmq expert Feb 10 00:36:37 s/rabbid/rabbit Feb 10 00:36:56 micadeyeye: I'll take a quick look at it. It is on the list of needs testing for 12.04 release. Feb 10 00:37:39 root@localhost:/# /etc/init.d/rabbitmq-server start Feb 10 00:37:39 Starting rabbitmq-server: FAILED - check /var/log/rabbitmq/startup_{log, _err} Feb 10 00:37:39 rabbitmq-server. Feb 10 00:37:49 GrueMaster, okay. Feb 10 00:38:27 * micadeyeye I can't run Openstack on Ubuntu-arm, at least for now. too bad!! Feb 10 00:40:10 That might be the reason I am getting this error - http://www.fpaste.org/E2LC/ Feb 10 00:40:25 I can't run any of the nova commands. Feb 10 00:43:51 micadeyeye: It may have been a libc issue. There was an update that broke a lot of things. It has now been fixed and should be uploaded to the pool today. Feb 10 00:45:56 Is this armhf or armel that you tried? Feb 10 00:46:26 armhf Feb 10 00:47:25 Ok. I'm launching a couple of pandas to reimage to precise tip. Will take ~20 minutes, then I can check. Feb 10 00:48:28 okay. Feb 10 00:50:15 It appears to be running ok on another test system even after updates to current. I'll still need to wait for the other systems though. This system has been thrashed and will need reimaging soon. Feb 10 00:50:48 That would be rabbitmq. right? Feb 10 00:51:00 rabitmq-server Feb 10 00:51:09 okay. Feb 10 00:52:32 I will try and use 11.04. I am not too sure if the headless ver. would be better the netbook ver. Feb 10 00:52:48 Use 11.10. Feb 10 00:52:55 okay. Feb 10 00:53:14 headless/netbook or armhf/armel? Feb 10 00:53:23 I know it was tested. We did a "pipe cleaning" session last cycle. Feb 10 00:53:40 Okay. Feb 10 00:54:06 ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-server-armel Feb 10 00:54:07 Do you know of anyone running Openstack on Ubuntu-arm? Feb 10 00:54:33 No, but it is also on the todo list. rbasak may have done some work on it. Feb 10 00:54:57 rbasak, hi! Feb 10 00:55:06 hello! Feb 10 00:55:13 what do you mean by openstack on ubuntu-arm, exactly? Feb 10 00:55:24 brb. Need to pick up a car from the shop. Should be back in 20-30 minutes max. Feb 10 00:55:37 okay Feb 10 00:56:26 I wanted to install the Openstack cloud project on my Pandaboard, which has the Ubuntu-arm OS on it. Feb 10 00:57:16 Doesn't openstack rely on some functional virtualisation? Or do we have it all working with lxc now? Feb 10 00:57:45 All on one pandaboard? Feb 10 00:58:12 I only need the nova compute. Feb 10 00:58:22 I would like to use the PB as a node. Feb 10 00:58:25 lxc is working on armhf in precise Feb 10 00:58:33 But if I could install all, that would be great. Feb 10 00:58:43 and openstack does work with lxc. But I'm not aware of anyone having tried it thus far. Feb 10 00:59:02 lxc?? Feb 10 00:59:22 Daviey might know, and if we have any concrete plans for lxc on precise. But like me he's in UTC+0 so tomorrow might be better Feb 10 00:59:58 WHat's lxc? Feb 10 01:00:07 linux containers Feb 10 01:00:08 The software implementation end of virtualisation on ARM isn't finished yet. AFAIK there is progress on both Xen and KVM Feb 10 01:00:38 LXC is pretend virtualisation - everything runs under the same kernel, but processes are shielded from each other so they see themselves as owning the machine Feb 10 01:00:38 rbasak: Sure, but even if Xen and KVM were done, paravirt is only supported on the A15. Feb 10 01:00:38 okay. Feb 10 01:01:16 Yeah so KVM is never going to work on a pandaboard Feb 10 01:02:05 Nope. Feb 10 01:02:22 Well, it could be done in full emu mode, but that would be a Very Bad Thing. Feb 10 01:02:36 If you want PV, you need an A15. Feb 10 01:02:47 Of which we have so many... Feb 10 01:22:33 back Feb 10 01:23:23 And I have rabbitmq-server installed on a freshly imaged panda running precise armhf. Looking for some tests now. Feb 10 01:30:55 GrueMaster: hey, man. -:) Feb 10 01:31:08 Hey. Feb 10 01:31:28