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Mar 20 09:39:15 <sveinse> I'm running natty and every time I reboot, I need to run "sudo update-binfmts --enable qemu-arm" to be able to run armel binaries on intel. Is there a recent policy change disabling these binfmts at every boot?
Mar 20 11:24:54 <Laney> Could someone spare 2 minutes to try a test build on an arm{el,hf} (shouldn't matter) porterbox for me? http://paste.debian.net/160402/
Mar 20 11:36:24 <shadeslayer> rsalveti: poke
Mar 20 11:37:00 <shadeslayer> Laney: I have a armel pbuilder setup, would that work?
Mar 20 11:37:09 <Laney> possibly
Mar 20 11:37:20 <Laney> not sure if ghc will work there, mind
Mar 20 11:37:42 <shadeslayer> ghc? I'm not quite familiar with that acronym
Mar 20 11:38:19 <shadeslayer> Laney: uh, this is for debian? I have a precise armel pbuilder ...
Mar 20 11:38:48 <Laney> ghc is a haskell compiler, and the target distro shouldn't matter
Mar 20 11:38:52 <shadeslayer> ok
Mar 20 11:41:51 <shadeslayer> Laney: uh, I didn't have  haskell-devscripts, it's going to take a bit :)
Mar 20 11:41:57 <shadeslayer> about 10 minutes or so
Mar 20 11:43:06 <shadeslayer> ok so I have a problem where upstream stores double precision values in databases
Mar 20 11:43:19 <shadeslayer> but that won't work on arm obviously
Mar 20 11:43:37 <shadeslayer> so how do I work around databases getting tainted between arch's ?
Mar 20 11:44:37 <shadeslayer> ( the data being stored is geolocation data, seems like it's important to store it in double )
Mar 20 11:46:13 <janimo`> shadeslayer, the ARMv7 processors that Ubuntu runs on have good double precision support
Mar 20 11:46:22 <janimo`> even hardware registers for it :)
Mar 20 11:46:39 <shadeslayer> janimo`: ok weird, then why does the build fail ?
Mar 20 11:46:54 <shadeslayer> lemme get the build log
Mar 20 11:47:26 <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/4:2.5.0-1ubuntu1/+build/3215910
Mar 20 11:47:30 <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/4:2.5.0-1ubuntu1/+build/3215911
Mar 20 11:47:59 <shadeslayer> /build/buildd/digikam-2.5.0/extra/kipi-plugins/photolayoutseditor/widgets/canvas/CropWidgetItem.cpp:343:62: error: no matching function for call to 'qMin(qreal, double)'
Mar 20 11:48:21 <shadeslayer> and ever since I made that to qMin(qreal, qreal) everything works just fine
Mar 20 11:50:00 <janimo`> shadeslayer, that is a Qt programming issue that only occurs on ARM and indeed has roots in ARM traditionally not being good at double precision
Mar 20 11:50:11 <janimo`> qreal is defined as float on ARM and double elsewhere in Qt
Mar 20 11:50:22 <shadeslayer> ok, so for ARM7 and above Qt should now define qreal as double?
Mar 20 11:50:30 <shadeslayer> and this would make it a Qt issue
Mar 20 11:50:35 <janimo`> when qreal and double are used interchangeably that is not an issue (x86)
Mar 20 11:50:53 <janimo`> but when that code gets built on ARM float != double and gcc complain
Mar 20 11:50:58 <shadeslayer> right
Mar 20 11:51:16 <shadeslayer> janimo`: so essentially, qreal needs to be typedef'd to double on ARMv7 and above
Mar 20 11:51:38 <janimo`> I am not sure it is possible anymore to change it back on ARMv7 in Qt, it likely breaks linking with binaries using Qt before the change
Mar 20 11:52:07 <janimo`> so qreal stays float on ARM, but code needs to be careful and use qreal qhen qreal is meant and not use double liberally in its place
Mar 20 11:52:07 <shadeslayer> hmm, yes, but I could report this issue upstream, might be fixed in time for Qt5
Mar 20 11:52:26 <janimo`> shadeslayer, that would be good indeed, Qt5 could be a place to fix this
Mar 20 11:52:52 <janimo`> until then the kde apps using qMin must pass two qreals to that function
Mar 20 11:52:58 <shadeslayer> gotcha
Mar 20 11:53:02 <janimo`> so not identifiers declared as double
Mar 20 11:53:27 <janimo`> lots of KDE or Qt based app have this issue still in Ubuntu and likely upstream
Mar 20 11:54:14 <janimo`> Laney, will check your patch, took a while to get all build-deps sorted in a chroot
Mar 20 11:56:05 <Laney> janimo`: thanks. I think it's straightforward - skein.cabal just doesn't set the define for unknown arches and skein_port.h errors with #error if it isn't set
Mar 20 11:56:37 <janimo`> Laney, I just added that debian/rules change and now waiting for it to finish one way or another
Mar 20 11:58:55 <janimo`> Laney, yes, finished successfully with that change.
Mar 20 11:59:42 <Laney> janimo`: great thanks, uploading to debian now then
Mar 20 11:59:54 <janimo`> Laney, cheers
Mar 20 12:00:29 <janimo`> Laney, no public ARM porter boxes for you to play with when needed?
Mar 20 12:00:40 <Laney> there are, but you have to wait a while for BDs to be installed
Mar 20 12:00:47 <Laney> thought it might be quicker to ask here ;-)
Mar 20 12:01:11 <janimo`> Laney, sure np, just wanted to make sure you are not blocked on this when testing ARM changes ;)
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Mar 20 13:36:57 <jadahl> am I supposed to be able to easily install ARM versions of libraries alongside the others on my x86_64 system in Ubuntu 12.04?
Mar 20 13:37:17 <jadahl> my purpose of doing so is cross compiling and running in QVM on the same computer
Mar 20 14:10:06 <infinity> dannf: Your highbank branch ( https://code.launchpad.net/~dannf/flash-kernel/highbank-support ) doesn't include updates to debian/f-k-i.postinst
Mar 20 14:10:37 <dannf> infinity: ok - i'll take a look.
Mar 20 14:10:56 <infinity> dannf: Don't ask why all that code is duplicated, it is what it is. :P
Mar 20 14:12:51 <dannf> infinity: do you know if we'll be rebasing on debian's version at any  point?
Mar 20 14:13:00 <infinity> dannf: Not before precise.
Mar 20 14:13:13 <infinity> dannf: But yes, some day we'll switch.
Mar 20 14:13:35 <dannf> *nod*
Mar 20 14:18:01 <ogra_> :q
Mar 20 14:19:34 <infinity> E37: No write since last change (add ! to override)
Mar 20 14:20:48 <ogra_> hehe
Mar 20 14:21:10 <ogra_> silly unity, alt-tab never gets me where i expect to land
Mar 20 14:52:11 <jadahl> are the repository containing arm packages not under archive.ubuntu.com ?
Mar 20 14:54:15 <ogra_> jadahl, nope, they never were
Mar 20 14:54:24 <infinity> jadahl: ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
Mar 20 14:54:29 <jadahl> ah
Mar 20 14:54:32 <ogra_> armhf (and the old armel) are on ports.ubuntu.com
Mar 20 14:54:39 <infinity> (and powerpc)
Mar 20 14:54:43 <jadahl> nice, thanks
Mar 20 14:54:50 <infinity> More easily stated as everything !x86. :P
Mar 20 15:07:11 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: lightdm seems to be quite slow even on panda
Mar 20 15:07:24 <rsalveti> at least while moving the cursor the cpu gets easily consumed
Mar 20 15:07:57 <GrueMaster> rsalveti: I haven't been paying attention.  Working on arm server workload test development.
Mar 20 15:07:58 <rsalveti> after launching unity-2d it works fine, but back to lightdm makes it slow again
Mar 20 15:08:15 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: ok, will open a bug for that
Mar 20 15:08:29 <rsalveti> would like to have perf available to check, but that is another bug
Mar 20 15:08:36 <rsalveti> ppisati: were you able to check the broken perf bug?
Mar 20 15:13:06 <rsalveti> ogra_: infinity: attached a debdiff at bug 959928 with the fix
Mar 20 15:13:06 <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 959928 in xorg-server "Driver fallback for ARM loads the vendor driver twice and gets invalidated with the error" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959928
Mar 20 15:13:20 <rsalveti> so we can have the pvr driver loaded without a xorg.conf file
Mar 20 15:13:36 <rsalveti> another fix needed to have the working pvr driver at the archive
Mar 20 15:17:42 <GrueMaster> It would be super cool to have the drivers available for Beta 2.  Is this the armhf version?
Mar 20 15:18:05 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: yup
Mar 20 15:18:15 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: I got the drivers already in place, updating the bug in a few
Mar 20 15:18:19 <GrueMaster> awesome.
Mar 20 15:18:22 <rsalveti> would need a review and someone to sponsor
Mar 20 15:18:31 <rsalveti> and this xorg fix to be included as well
Mar 20 15:40:41 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: infinity: ogra_: bug 959924 properly updated
Mar 20 15:40:42 <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 959924 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] pvr sgx driver and kernel module for Pandaboard" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959924
Mar 20 15:40:55 <rsalveti> needs a review and someone to sponsor the packages as well
Mar 20 15:41:14 <rsalveti> just tested and it worked fine here on both 4430 and 4460
Mar 20 15:41:18 <rsalveti> for ARMHF
Mar 20 15:41:26 <ogra_> thx
Mar 20 15:41:50 <rsalveti> once that lands we can also enable the notification for users to install the driver once they install the images
Mar 20 15:41:57 <rsalveti> like what we have for radeon or nvidia
Mar 20 15:47:46 <ogra_> you mean jockey
Mar 20 15:47:56 <ogra_> that will likely require some changes
Mar 20 15:49:30 <rsalveti> ogra_: yes
Mar 20 15:49:39 <rsalveti> ogra_: something on my todo to check
Mar 20 15:50:01 <rsalveti> would be great to have that notification
Mar 20 15:50:08 <rsalveti> and with just one click, boom, sgx working :-)
Mar 20 15:50:30 <rsalveti> and then people can install TI's PPA for a newer driver, with the newer kernel and such
Mar 20 15:50:49 <rsalveti> but the default is already enough to get it to work with opengles applications
Mar 20 15:53:32 <ogra_> yeah
Mar 20 15:56:02 <ppisati> ops
Mar 20 15:56:06 <ppisati> rsalveti: checking it
Mar 20 15:56:16 <rsalveti> ppisati: thanks
Mar 20 15:56:18 <ppisati> rsalveti: it seems it's in the code ($somewhere)
Mar 20 15:56:35 <ppisati> rsalveti: it's not a config issue, and upstream is ok
Mar 20 15:57:07 <rsalveti> ppisati: would be useful to check with jessi and andy, I remember we had a similar issue in the past with 3.1
Mar 20 15:57:19 <rsalveti> might be missing one patch or two
Mar 20 15:57:29 <ppisati> rsalveti: i'll shot them an email then, thanks
Mar 20 15:57:41 <rsalveti> ppisati: great
Mar 20 16:01:21 <jadahl> yay. it's very possible to run arm binaries seamingly under x86_64 (via qemu) just as if they were normal binaries
Mar 20 16:02:45 <jadahl> and install third party libraries into /usr/arm-linux-gnueabi
Mar 20 16:03:58 <ppisati> rsalveti: you mean jesse barker?
Mar 20 16:04:55 <rsalveti> ppisati: http://www.linaro.org/about/meet-the-team/jaswinder-singh/
Mar 20 16:05:03 <ppisati> rsalveti: k
Mar 20 16:10:21 <GrueMaster> Wishlist?  rsalveti, your pvr sgx packaging bug has been marked as a wishlist item.  I would think it is higher importance than that.
Mar 20 16:10:41 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: that's the default for needs-packaging
Mar 20 16:10:51 <rsalveti> afaik
Mar 20 16:10:54 <GrueMaster> ah, ok.
Mar 20 16:15:04 <rsalveti> ppisati: also, can you check why the patches for cross compiling to make it compatible with dkms got reverted?
Mar 20 16:15:08 <rsalveti> ppisati: bug 666267
Mar 20 16:15:10 <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 666267 in linux-ti-omap4 "Cross compiled headers package breaks DKMS compilation" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666267
Mar 20 16:15:30 <rsalveti> that's useful for TI, as they want to be able to cross compile the kernel and still be able to use dkms-based packages
Mar 20 16:15:41 <ppisati> rsalveti: becaseu they broke cross-cmpiling in a chroot
Mar 20 16:15:46 <ppisati> iirc
Mar 20 16:15:56 <rsalveti> ppisati: can't we just fix?
Mar 20 16:16:19 <rsalveti> *fix that?
Mar 20 16:16:38 <ppisati> rsalveti: so, these patches fix the DKMS problem ok? i'll see what we can do
Mar 20 16:17:18 <rsalveti> ppisati: great, thanks :-)
Mar 20 16:17:24 <rsalveti> you'll make ti happy with that
Mar 20 16:20:41 <ppisati> rsalveti: will they make my battery last longer in that case? :)
Mar 20 16:21:07 <rsalveti> ppisati: haha, don't think so ;-)
Mar 20 17:18:17 <hstimer> Anyone here using arm server under qemu?
Mar 20 17:37:46 <danboid> If I download the latest precise desktop build can I expect to get a picture out of HDMI on my panda or should I just stick with the server image?
Mar 20 17:38:18 <danboid> (during install)
Mar 20 17:39:12 <danboid> as I presume the desktop builds still don't support serial console output by default?
Mar 20 17:43:53 <GrueMaster> danboid: The desktop images will never support serial console by default, as that is not the nature of desktop images.
Mar 20 17:44:07 <GrueMaster> It has always supported HDMI video.
Mar 20 17:46:23 <danboid> GrueMaster, Hi!
Mar 20 17:47:11 <danboid> GrueMaster, Last time I tried a daily for precise desktop armhf I got no picture via hdmi - not even a fb console
Mar 20 17:47:42 <danboid> GrueMaster, but that was before it was supposed to work
Mar 20 17:47:43 <GrueMaster> That's odd.  I'm running the daily from yesterday, works just fine here.
Mar 20 17:47:55 <danboid> GrueMaster, about 2 weeks ago :)
Mar 20 17:48:02 <GrueMaster> Are you using the hdmi port closest to the usb/nic plugs?
Mar 20 17:48:09 <danboid> yep
Mar 20 17:48:26 <danboid> I'll try the desktop one then
Mar 20 17:48:35 <danboid> it ,ay be fine now
Mar 20 17:48:39 <GrueMaster> Beta 1 also worked.
Mar 20 17:48:55 <GrueMaster> How are you powering your panda?
Mar 20 17:48:57 <danboid> GrueMaster, OK, thats handy to know
Mar 20 17:49:10 <danboid> GrueMaster, 5V 4A PSU
Mar 20 17:49:42 <GrueMaster> ok.  Sometimes I see people having issues when powering over min-usb from a laptop.
Mar 20 17:49:53 <danboid> GrueMaster, Do you know of any interesting apps that support GLES except KDE? What about epsxe?
Mar 20 17:50:37 <danboid> GrueMaster, or any good games of course! :)
Mar 20 17:50:40 <GrueMaster> Not off hand.  I haven't done much testing on that because before now, video drivers were post-release.
Mar 20 17:50:57 <GrueMaster> You could try pts or Open Arena.
Mar 20 17:51:20 <danboid> Yes, Q3 is the only other thing I know of
Mar 20 17:51:29 <danboid> (open arena)
Mar 20 17:52:14 <danboid> I'm hoping epsxe or that other psemu support GLES
Mar 20 17:52:39 <danboid> Thats something I'll be looking into soon
Mar 20 17:54:00 <danboid> I just updated the main ubuntu kernel compilation guide to cater for us arm (Linaro) users btw
Mar 20 17:54:36 <danboid> ie how to know which config file to edit :)
Mar 20 17:59:28 <danboid> is the blaze actually a working cell phone too?
Mar 20 18:02:27 <GrueMaster> I don't know.  Might be.  Not sure if it has 3G or what.
Mar 20 19:33:34 <prpplague> rsalveti: ping
Mar 20 20:29:35 <rsalveti> prpplague: pong
Mar 20 20:30:54 <prpplague> rsalveti: just fyi, i wasn't planning to attend Connect
Mar 20 20:31:18 <prpplague> rsalveti: otherwise i would be happy to present if i were going
Mar 20 20:33:18 <rsalveti> prpplague: yeah, would be nice, but it's a quite long trip
Mar 20 20:33:40 <rsalveti> guess we'll be able to present something at least
Mar 20 20:33:44 <rsalveti> with help of jcrigby
Mar 20 20:33:52 <prpplague> rsalveti: hehe, don't mind the length of the trip, but the $$ , hehe
Mar 20 20:33:57 <prpplague> rsalveti: dandy!
Mar 20 20:34:33 <rsalveti> prpplague: yeah, must be quite expensive, didn't yet check
Mar 20 20:34:58 <rsalveti> prpplague: hopefully we'll be able to show the support for the main boards we're maintaining at linaro
Mar 20 23:46:19 <djshotglass> cheapest arm board i can buy today?
Mar 20 23:46:34 <djshotglass> only needs usb and ethernet or wifi
Mar 20 23:49:24 <rsalveti> djshotglass:
Mar 20 23:49:32 <rsalveti> djshotglass: I'd recommend a beaglebone
Mar 20 23:49:43 <djshotglass> thats almost $100 :/
Mar 20 23:49:50 <djshotglass> i was looking for something like $25
Mar 20 23:50:00 <djshotglass> because i need 4 of them
Mar 20 23:50:01 <rsalveti> then you'd need to grab a raspberry pi
Mar 20 23:50:22 <djshotglass> cant get a rasp for months
Mar 20 23:50:53 <djshotglass> pogoplugs on ebay for $25ish
Mar 20 23:50:58 <djshotglass> hmm
Mar 20 23:51:04 <rsalveti> that might work
Mar 20 23:51:42 <GrueMaster> Just remember that neither pogoplug or raspberry pi will work with ubuntu.
Mar 20 23:51:51 <djshotglass> what why
Mar 20 23:51:56 <rsalveti> yup, you'd need to use debian
Mar 20 23:52:00 <rsalveti> because they are not armv7
Mar 20 23:52:03 <GrueMaster> Ubuntu==armv7.
Mar 20 23:52:24 <djshotglass> meh i can live with that
Mar 20 23:52:35 <GrueMaster> Cheapest armv7 (that I know of) is the beaglebone.  http://beagleboard.org
Mar 20 23:54:43 <rsalveti> you might be able to buy some used beagleboards as well on ebay
Mar 20 23:54:44 <rsalveti> or similar
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