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Apr 15 12:28:24 <spych102> GrueMaster: Thanks, that explains why it still didn't work
Apr 15 20:31:52 <scientes> are any  of these new quad core arm's going to have hdmi?
Apr 15 21:26:45 <infinity> scientes: I'm sure the MX6 will, since the MX53 already does.
Apr 16 00:01:04 <delinquentme> so beagle boards run ubuntu ... how does one take a beagleboard and begin putting specific code on it? is it a USB connection?
Apr 16 00:01:17 <delinquentme> and its run in the linux environment right?
Apr 16 00:02:37 <scientes> delinquentme, yeah it has a RW sd card
Apr 16 00:02:54 <scientes> delinquentme, but binaries have to be compiled for ARM, x86 binaries wont run
Apr 16 00:03:34 <delinquentme> and this can be written in any language that can compile to ARM?
Apr 16 00:03:42 <scientes> correct
Apr 16 00:03:57 <scientes> or any interpreted language, that has interpreter support on ARM
Apr 16 00:04:17 <delinquentme> and how about the operation ... that code simply polls over and over ?
Apr 16 00:04:19 <scientes> and to be apecific armv7, which is what ubuntu targets
Apr 16 00:04:32 <scientes> delinquentme, linux is "tickless"
Apr 16 00:04:42 <delinquentme> its running *inside* the ubuntu operating system right? much like any language I run on my laptop ubuntu system
Apr 16 00:04:46 <scientes> so it only wakes up to meet the next deadline, if it doesn't get an interrupt
Apr 16 00:05:10 <scientes> yes it is the same ubuntu you run on your laptop, but recompiled for arm
Apr 16 00:05:42 <scientes> debian GNU/Linux did most of the porting work/troubleshooting
Apr 16 00:05:54 <delinquentme> and the code would be automatically read from the SD card?
Apr 16 00:06:00 <scientes> but armv7 hardfloat transition has been helped by ubuntu
Apr 16 00:06:11 <scientes> delinquentme, its just ext4 filesystem like you use on your hard drive
Apr 16 00:06:18 <scientes> so it has files just the same, and with the same layout
Apr 16 00:06:41 <scientes> delinquentme, you can actually run the beagleboard software on your laptop, using qemu-arm
Apr 16 00:06:56 <scientes> or qemu-arm-static
Apr 16 00:07:40 <delinquentme> so If i've got a desktop which connects to the beagleboard via ethernet ... and I want the beagle to issue machine commands to MCs that branch off of it
Apr 16 00:08:02 <scientes> " machine commands to MCs that branch off of it"
Apr 16 00:08:07 <scientes> i have no idea what you are saying here
Apr 16 00:08:11 <delinquentme> the beagle runs whatever compiled arm and would then issue commands via that beagleboard software to those branch MCs
Apr 16 00:08:27 <scientes> you can run all the same server software on e arm that you can run on x86
Apr 16 00:08:43 <scientes> postfix, dovecot, postgresql, etc
Apr 16 00:09:18 <scientes> now, the beagleboard is not the fastest arm board
Apr 16 00:09:26 <delinquentme> basically the beagle controlling a number of attached MCs
Apr 16 00:09:33 <scientes> what is a MC?
Apr 16 00:09:41 <delinquentme> microcontroller
Apr 16 00:09:56 <scientes> specifically.....?
Apr 16 00:09:59 <delinquentme>  ( sorry ) but yeah I'm trying to use the beagle to run steppers and the like
Apr 16 00:10:17 <delinquentme> been looking at this one : http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/DATA_BRIEF/DM00037955.pdf
Apr 16 00:10:24 <delinquentme> ~ 13 of those
Apr 16 00:10:51 <scientes> well that has yet another arm cpu inside of it
Apr 16 00:11:03 <scientes> however it has too little ram and flash to run linux
Apr 16 00:11:14 <delinquentme> oh yeah im not trying to run linux on those
Apr 16 00:11:24 <delinquentme> those are what controls the steppers and the sensors etc
Apr 16 00:11:31 <delinquentme> which then geed information back to the beagle
Apr 16 00:11:37 <delinquentme> geed = feed*
Apr 16 00:12:00 <scientes> is that black on the bottom audio?
Apr 16 00:12:19 <scientes> and the top usb is just the power (5v)?
Apr 16 00:12:49 <scientes> "one audio DAC" yeah, audio
Apr 16 00:13:59 <delinquentme> i think theres also a 5v in
Apr 16 00:14:25 <scientes> seems to me that you use the "SWD" to communicate to it
Apr 16 00:15:02 <scientes> "digital accelerometer and digital
Apr 16 00:15:02 <scientes> microphone, one audio DAC with integrated class
Apr 16 00:15:02 <scientes> D speaker driver, LEDs and push buttons and an
Apr 16 00:15:02 <scientes> USB OTG micro-AB connector.
Apr 16 00:15:02 <scientes> "
Apr 16 00:15:05 <scientes> so i guess that is what it does
Apr 16 00:15:08 <delinquentme> how to check if it can run communications over the micro usb
Apr 16 00:15:22 <scientes> well since it says that all that is needed, it probably can
Apr 16 00:15:51 <scientes> what do you want to do with it?
Apr 16 00:16:07 <delinquentme> make a liquid handling robot
Apr 16 00:16:18 <delinquentme> it has a number of modular cores
Apr 16 00:16:34 <scientes> that thing seems to be audio-oriented
Apr 16 00:16:42 <scientes> microphone and mono audio out
Apr 16 00:17:02 <delinquentme> yeah I'm not really sure how the MC industry works
Apr 16 00:17:07 <scientes> "digital microsoft" (does that mean it has a ADC ?)
Apr 16 00:17:19 <delinquentme> like it can send signals and thats all I really need
Apr 16 00:17:32 <delinquentme> i could probably go much simpler TBH
Apr 16 00:17:33 <scientes> gcc supports compiling firmware IIRC
Apr 16 00:17:52 <scientes> its the arm-non-gnueabi target for armv5+
Apr 16 00:17:56 <scientes> *none
Apr 16 00:17:59 <delinquentme> but I dont have the capability to design printed circuit boards ... so i need to buy something thats already assembled
Apr 16 00:19:23 <scientes> and it only has one usable button
Apr 16 00:19:26 <delinquentme> so yeah just write come C code .. compile it with GCC stick it on a MC like that and let it poll for commands from the beagle
Apr 16 00:19:49 <delinquentme> yeah I don't really see myself using anything other than a reset button
Apr 16 00:19:53 <scientes> well, event-based would sure be nicer
Apr 16 00:20:06 <scientes> delinquentme, you can do that without any MC
Apr 16 00:20:12 <scientes> you can do that with a seial port
Apr 16 00:20:28 <scientes> or even a usb keyboard/mouse
Apr 16 00:21:22 <delinquentme> well for programming it I can attach it however
Apr 16 00:21:24 <scientes> but yeah that board is designed for audio uses, it doesn't seem applicable for you
Apr 16 00:23:08 <delinquentme> how does one go about finding a good board for an application?
Apr 16 00:23:31 <scientes> all the IC vendors have huge lists
Apr 16 00:23:34 <delinquentme> ( i'm kind of expecting there to be a tool like new egg where there are drop downs and I select the chips and things I want on it
Apr 16 00:23:42 <scientes> freescale, marvell, broadcom
Apr 16 00:23:49 <scientes> newark
Apr 16 00:23:55 <delinquentme> and these are all programmed effectively the same way?
Apr 16 00:24:19 <scientes> well im still not sure what youwant/are trying to do
Apr 16 00:25:08 <scientes> arduino is pretty hot these days
Apr 16 00:25:44 <delinquentme> true but they're also super costly
Apr 16 00:26:21 <scientes> so is the beagle board
Apr 16 00:26:26 <delinquentme> ahh yeah that might help :D  .. I've got 2 steppers, 1 linear string pot, 1 linear actuator and 2 physical switches
Apr 16 00:26:37 <scientes> compared to, like, the rasberri pi
Apr 16 00:28:38 <scientes> delinquentme, how about this: http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/productcatalog/app?page=productSelectorPage
Apr 16 00:30:07 <delinquentme> oooooo
Apr 16 00:30:14 <scientes> http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/application.jsp?code=APLSTEMOT
Apr 16 00:34:05 <delinquentme> DSC ?
Apr 16 00:34:19 <delinquentme> Digital Signal Controller
Apr 16 00:36:08 <delinquentme> actually I should totally be able to email customer support @ these places and just be like
Apr 16 00:36:12 <delinquentme> "this is what I need"
Apr 16 00:36:15 <delinquentme> does u have?
Apr 16 00:36:29 <delinquentme> also!
Apr 16 00:36:46 <delinquentme> these are all chips .. is there a name used for the units when they're already attached to a board?
Apr 16 00:38:14 <scientes> yeah ive come across that prob too
Apr 16 00:38:25 <scientes> i dont really have an answer for you
Apr 16 00:40:21 <delinquentme> haha im glad im not nuts :D
Apr 16 00:40:28 <delinquentme> scientes, what do you do with all this coolness
Apr 16 00:40:34 <delinquentme> specifically ubuntu arm chips?
Apr 16 00:41:37 <scientes> well i actually dont have a armv7 comp yet
Apr 16 00:41:41 <scientes> i only have the sheevaplug
Apr 16 00:41:48 <scientes> which is armv5, running debian
Apr 16 00:42:02 <scientes> but i really want a armv7, or better yet armv8 + quad core
Apr 16 00:42:11 * scientes wants to experiment with big.LITTLE too
Apr 16 00:42:40 <delinquentme> OOo the sheevaplug
Apr 16 00:42:48 <delinquentme> thats like mischief no?
Apr 16 00:42:48 <scientes> its kinda old now
Apr 16 00:43:30 <delinquentme> is this like PHD research scientes ?
Apr 16 00:44:44 <delinquentme> you can basically hook that sheevaplug up to something and just let it sniff away at wireless packets
Apr 16 00:46:37 <scientes> the one i have doesn't have wifi
Apr 16 00:47:02 <scientes> but considering its size and power consumption that sort of use would certainly be feasable
Apr 16 00:47:07 <scientes> and a good fit for the device
Apr 16 00:47:34 <scientes> it also has gigabit ethernet, so you could access it remotely at high speed
Apr 16 02:08:51 <pnphi> configure: error: "PAM libraries not found"
Apr 16 02:08:58 <pnphi> how to fix ?
Apr 16 02:11:36 <pnphi> configure: error: "PAM libraries not found"  how to fix ?
Apr 16 02:13:23 <scientes> pnphi, what piece of software?
Apr 16 02:14:22 <pnphi> i'm building the package gdm
Apr 16 02:15:18 <twb> This error is coming from ./configure ?
Apr 16 02:16:37 <pnphi> no , dpkg-buildpackage -aarmel
Apr 16 02:16:54 <scientes> pnphi, could be systemd-logind's pam module
Apr 16 02:17:03 <scientes> try turning off systemd
Apr 16 02:18:25 <pnphi> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
Apr 16 02:18:32 <pnphi> and this problem
Apr 16 02:19:27 <twb> pnphi: pastebin the full transcript
Apr 16 02:19:41 <pnphi> detail ?
Apr 16 02:25:05 <infinity> I assume you're missing libpam-dev.
Apr 16 02:26:09 <twb> infinity: I thought dpkg-buildpackage would, like debuild, bitch about missing dependencies before getting to that point
Apr 16 02:26:20 <infinity> It does.
Apr 16 02:26:29 <twb> So he's doing something silly.
Apr 16 02:26:36 <twb> And the pastbin will tell us what
Apr 16 02:26:58 <infinity> But he may well either (A) have built with -d, or (B) be building sources with bad build-deps.
Apr 16 02:27:11 <twb> Nod
Apr 16 02:28:46 <infinity> (When you call debuild, it's dpkg-buildpackage that's bitching; debuild is only a very thin wrapper around it)
Apr 16 02:58:56 <pnphi> checking for pam_start in -lpam... no configure: error: "PAM libraries not found" make: *** [debian/stamp-autotools] Error 1 dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
Apr 16 02:59:09 <pnphi> I don't know to fix this problem
Apr 16 02:59:11 <pnphi> !!!
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