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Apr 30 11:40:51 <lilstevie> ogra_: you said the other day that gles unity should be available in precise yes? is there something special you need to do?
Apr 30 11:41:19 <ogra_> install compiz from -proposed (if it didnt move to -updates yet)
Apr 30 11:41:44 <ogra_> (dont leave proposed enabled after that, it might see broken packages at times)
Apr 30 11:42:54 <marvin24> ogra_: did you heard that (pre-alpha) hf drivers were released?
Apr 30 11:43:06 <ogra_> oh, no, i didnt
Apr 30 11:43:16 <lilstevie> ok cool
Apr 30 11:43:17 <ogra_> if they work, that might qualify for an SRU
Apr 30 11:43:30 <lilstevie> yeah thats what I am running now
Apr 30 11:43:33 <lilstevie> they work ogra_
Apr 30 11:43:41 <ogra_> awesome
Apr 30 11:43:44 <marvin24> well, I only got unity 2d running but opengles works
Apr 30 11:43:52 <marvin24> maybe need some more testers ...
Apr 30 11:44:02 <marvin24> lilstevie: unity-3d?
Apr 30 11:44:02 <lilstevie> I installed the nvidia-tegra package then pushed the hf drivers from the hf package over the top
Apr 30 11:44:07 <lilstevie> this is on tegra3
Apr 30 11:44:13 <marvin24> oh
Apr 30 11:44:16 <lilstevie> marvin24: no, that part is what I was just asking about
Apr 30 11:44:22 <ogra_> marvin24, 3d only works with the compiz in -proposed/-updates
Apr 30 11:44:38 <marvin24> ah, so it is not a driver problem
Apr 30 11:44:40 <ogra_> (not sure where it currently is)
Apr 30 11:44:44 <ogra_> shouldnt
Apr 30 11:44:56 <ogra_> i know 3d works on the snowball as well as on the panda
Apr 30 11:44:59 <lilstevie> but it at least works for gles
Apr 30 11:45:13 <marvin24> will test the new compiz later on
Apr 30 11:45:14 <ogra_> so it should be driver independent
Apr 30 11:45:44 <marvin24> btw, got kms and unity graphics running on 3.4-rc5
Apr 30 11:45:53 <marvin24> using the kms driver
Apr 30 11:45:55 <ogra_> nice !
Apr 30 11:46:02 <lilstevie> I really need to migrate my install to eMMC my micro is not running very fast
Apr 30 11:46:07 <ogra_> only 2d i assume ?
Apr 30 11:46:11 <marvin24> sure
Apr 30 11:46:17 <lilstevie> marvin24: nice, will have to wait for T3 support
Apr 30 11:46:20 <marvin24> xf86-video-modeset driver
Apr 30 11:46:27 <ogra_> does the kms driver have Xv support ?
Apr 30 11:46:45 <marvin24> I think no, just basic init
Apr 30 11:46:49 <ogra_> ah, k
Apr 30 11:47:09 <marvin24> I hope some people from nv/nouveau will now jump upon this one
Apr 30 11:47:18 <ogra_> yeah, that would be good
Apr 30 11:47:22 <lilstevie> will be interesting to see where it goes
Apr 30 11:47:30 <lilstevie> but should help cut the tether from nvidia
Apr 30 11:47:39 * marvin24 think it will go up to the sky
Apr 30 11:48:06 <lilstevie> if it weren't for the fb drivers we could be running the prime on mainline
Apr 30 11:52:14 * ogra_ needs to commute from berlin back to kassel ... will be back in 2-4h (depending on traffic)
Apr 30 13:44:06 <lilstevie> ogra_: I updated to compiz in -proposed and ubuntu-2d
Apr 30 14:48:59 <lilstevie> actaully my problem is probably related to alternatives
Apr 30 15:14:49 <lilstevie> alternatives are not playing nice
Apr 30 15:14:59 <lilstevie> mesa keeps taking priority for some reason
Apr 30 15:57:35 <prpplague> GrueMaster: ping
Apr 30 16:01:11 <GrueMaster> prpplague: pong
Apr 30 16:01:42 <prpplague> GrueMaster: looking for a recent kernel that supports v4l for omap44xx, any idea if the ubuntu kernels support it?
Apr 30 16:02:50 <GrueMaster> I think we disabled the driver because most pandas don't have them. I'm not sure, but I was told the TI-ppa kernel does have it.
Apr 30 16:03:34 <prpplague> got a like to the TI-ppa kernel?
Apr 30 16:03:50 <GrueMaster> btw, I am no longer working on panda.  I'll share what knowledge I have for a while.
Apr 30 16:04:17 <GrueMaster> I'll have to look for the link.  It was where the video drivers were.
Apr 30 16:05:25 <prpplague> GrueMaster: ahh right sorry i forgot
Apr 30 16:09:24 <GrueMaster> Heh, I don't appear to have the back door link anymore.
Apr 30 16:09:32 <GrueMaster> ogra_:  ^^^
Apr 30 16:12:18 <ogra_> prpplague, https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/omap-trunk or https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release ...
Apr 30 16:12:26 <ogra_> not sure which one
Apr 30 16:12:45 <ogra_> and no idea if there is a v4l kernel ...
Apr 30 16:13:10 <prpplague> ok thanks
Apr 30 16:13:42 * prpplague is really surprised at the lack of support
Apr 30 16:13:52 <ogra_> (thats all in TIs hand)
Apr 30 16:14:00 <ogra_> we dont maintain the PPA contents
Apr 30 16:16:45 <prpplague> yea, just figured it would have been one of those items that was of value
Apr 30 22:04:53 <prpplague> ogra_: can the current 12.04 release for panda play a mpeg2 video without any additional packages installed?
Apr 30 22:31:20 <ndec> prpplague: i don't think so. mpeg2 decoder are provided by ffmpeg or libmpeg2 which aren't in the default 'free' image
Apr 30 22:32:30 <prpplague> ndec: so you need to do an apt-get for those?
Apr 30 22:32:39 <ndec> yep
Apr 30 22:33:49 <ndec> i think you should install ubuntu-restricted-addons
Apr 30 22:34:15 <ndec> that should bring ffpmeg codecs, gst-ffmpeg , -bad and -ugly
Apr 30 22:38:36 <prpplague> ndec: ok thanks
Apr 30 22:38:55 <prpplague> ndec: i really didn't want to use the ubuntu builds but looks like i have no choice in the short term :(
Apr 30 22:39:22 <ndec> what do you mean?
Apr 30 22:40:17 <prpplague> ndec: was trying to setup some demo stuff to play back some videos without a gui, until i get all of that working, i'll have to use ubuntu
Apr 30 22:40:44 <ndec> but 12.04 won't give you v4l2 display...
Apr 30 22:41:06 <ndec> you will get s/w decoder, s/w color convert, s/w rendering...
Apr 30 22:41:08 <prpplague> no, but it will play a mpeg video
Apr 30 22:44:00 <ndec> prpplague: btw, did you try gst without X?
Apr 30 22:44:40 <prpplague> ndec: not as of yet, to many different combos of hwcomp, drm and such going on
Apr 30 22:45:27 <mythos> there is a framebuffersink for gstreamer
Apr 30 22:47:08 <ndec> prpplague: indeed... i just checked in a fb console on my laptop (no panda with me).
Apr 30 22:47:36 <ndec> you can do : gst-launch playbin2 uri=file:///home/<foo>/videofile, and it works...
Apr 30 22:47:48 <ndec> you need to be root in order to open /dev/fb0 though
Apr 30 22:48:31 <prpplague> ndec: i'll have to look to see how big it is, what the dependencies are, and see if it breaks any of the other items
Apr 30 22:54:29 <ndec> prpplague: well... mplayer -vo fbdev <video file> is working too.
Apr 30 22:56:29 <prpplague> hmm, i'll have to try a build of mplayer with oe to see what all it needs
Apr 30 22:57:57 <XorA> mplayer is pretty self contained
Apr 30 22:58:33 <XorA> and if you use the overlay fbdev it should be able to play video nicelay for you
Apr 30 22:58:59 <prpplague> hmm i'll see if can test that
Apr 30 22:59:10 <prpplague> all i need ot have available in the kernel is framebuffer support?
Apr 30 22:59:40 <XorA> pretty much
Apr 30 22:59:59 <XorA> well omap4 support and other drivers are useful as well
Apr 30 23:00:37 <XorA> surprised if you cant just generate what you need from narcissus
Apr 30 23:01:03 <prpplague> XorA: no combo really gives me what i need
Apr 30 23:01:19 <prpplague> the whole thing has been completely frustrating
Apr 30 23:01:30 <prpplague> its the only item i've every had a major issue with on panda
Apr 30 23:02:18 <XorA> well if you will be picky :-D
Apr 30 23:05:02 <prpplague> XorA: my need is very simple, minimal rootfs that can play a video without any acceleration and without a gui
Apr 30 23:05:25 <XorA> so what about that can narcissus not produce?
Apr 30 23:05:57 <XorA> you can have busybox + mplayer only if you want
Apr 30 23:06:16 <XorA> but this is a bit bad manners to discuss here :-)
Apr 30 23:06:28 <prpplague> XorA: oh? is there a checkbox i missed for more advanced options?
Apr 30 23:06:41 <XorA> the simple/advanced one I guess :-D
Apr 30 23:07:09 <XorA> Choose the complexity of the options below.
Apr 30 23:08:11 <XorA> then you can bare bones
Apr 30 23:08:12 <prpplague> yea once i choose the minimal, i don't get a choice on the video options any more
Apr 30 23:08:16 * prpplague checks again
Apr 30 23:08:33 <XorA> than add mplayer as aditional console package
Apr 30 23:09:03 <XorA> or ffmpeg
Apr 30 23:09:07 <XorA> or gstreamer
Apr 30 23:09:15 <XorA> or pr0n viewer of you choosing :-D
Apr 30 23:10:09 <prpplague> XorA: like i said, it appears that it is removed when you choose console
Apr 30 23:10:47 <XorA> get a new browser then, I have it here in front of me
Apr 30 23:11:30 <prpplague> XorA: yea it showed up after i refreshed
Apr 30 23:11:41 <XorA> chrome/chromium by any chance?
Apr 30 23:11:49 <prpplague> XorA: isn't mplayer still dependent on v4l working?
Apr 30 23:12:02 <XorA> prpplague: no? why should it be?
Apr 30 23:12:30 <XorA> prpplague: I think you need more coffee dude
Apr 30 23:12:31 <prpplague> XorA: hmm
Apr 30 23:12:41 <prpplague> XorA: well this isn't my area of expertise
Apr 30 23:12:51 <prpplague> XorA: i know very little about video
Apr 30 23:13:00 <XorA> v4l is for capture
Apr 30 23:13:22 <XorA> v4l2 has some crazy play stuff stuck in it as well, but only crazy people use it :-D
Apr 30 23:13:33 <XorA> real men use mplayer -vo fbdev
Apr 30 23:15:03 <XorA> if I remember the correct argument mplayer -vo fbdev:/dev/fb1 will even do the colour space conversion accellerated
Apr 30 23:15:23 <prpplague> ahh, dandy i have been give totally useless information then
Apr 30 23:15:35 * prpplague curses 
Apr 30 23:15:58 <XorA> its not the best way to do it in normal use case
Apr 30 23:16:13 <XorA> but its how I used to do demos on zaurus
Apr 30 23:16:50 <XorA> I thinks you need v4l2 if your using robclarks all sing dancing stuffs (or used to anyway)
Apr 30 23:17:38 * XorA has never actually connected a panda to any form of display device :-D
Apr 30 23:17:51 <prpplague> XorA: testing now
Apr 30 23:18:11 <XorA> in fact if OE still links mplayer with aalib you can even do -vo aa to get your video in ASCII :-D
Apr 30 23:18:16 <prpplague> XorA: i have been asking people all day about this, and everyone has given me totally different answers, hehe
Apr 30 23:19:46 <XorA> hopefully this answer works for you :-D
Apr 30 23:20:34 <prpplague> XorA: worked first time
Apr 30 23:20:40 <prpplague> entire day wasted
Apr 30 23:21:43 <XorA> we all get days like that
Apr 30 23:22:36 <XorA> and you can do pretty much the same thing with the ubuntu server image, just takes more disk space by default
Apr 30 23:24:11 * XorA awards prpplague permission to have a beer now its working
Apr 30 23:24:40 <prpplague> :)
Apr 30 23:27:13 <XorA> anyway as its 00:30 here, time to sleep
Apr 30 23:30:24 <prpplague> XorA|gone: thanks!
Apr 30 23:35:07 <ndec> prpplague: note that the entire day you've been asking how to get v4l2 to work to render videos ;-)
Apr 30 23:36:46 <prpplague> ndec: because i was kept getting told that it was the only way to do it
Apr 30 23:37:03 <prpplague> ndec: trust me i learned my lesson on it today
Apr 30 23:37:42 <ndec> hehe...
Apr 30 23:38:02 <ndec> then we will ask robclark to make a kms video output option in mplayer ;-)
Apr 30 23:39:31 <robclark> ndec, I could update omapfbplay
Apr 30 23:43:14 * prpplague slaps robclark with a dead fish
Apr 30 23:46:24 * robclark slaps prpplague w/ a block of tofu
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