**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 03 03:00:01 2012
May 03 07:41:26 <thelegace_> hi could someone tell me why im getting this error Hash sum mismath for gettext
May 03 07:43:13 <twb> Probably because the hash sums don't match
May 03 07:44:02 <twb> if this is during an apt-get run, that's usually because the mirror is broken or an http proxy is caching strangely, or even just because the connection was lost halfway through
May 03 07:47:49 <scientes> yeah whenever you get that error, just run "apt-get update" again
May 03 07:48:13 <scientes> and as long as you only have ubuntu sources, that works 100% of the time in my experience
May 03 07:48:22 <scientes> oh wait, hash sum,
May 03 07:48:38 <scientes> then you have to sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archive/<PACKAGE>
May 03 07:48:43 <scientes> which is hella annoying
May 03 07:48:58 <scientes> sometimes it works itsself out, but not always
May 03 07:50:56 <thelegace_> ya scientes its not fixing the problem
May 03 07:52:50 <thelegace_> could it be just be a mirror problem
May 03 07:52:58 <thelegace_> oh ok
May 03 07:52:59 <thelegace_> that fixed it
May 03 07:53:06 <thelegace_> deleting it from the pool directory
May 03 08:00:47 <scientes> yeah you have to do that some times
May 03 08:00:50 <scientes> quite annoying
May 03 08:00:59 <scientes> I have apt-cacher-ng too
May 03 08:01:09 <scientes> and i've had to log into the acng server and delete it there as well
May 03 08:19:23 <xnox> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/arm-q-platforms-emerging
May 03 08:19:44 <xnox> I thought Raspberry Pi is not supported by current ubuntu arm[el?] port
May 03 08:19:51 <ogra_> EEEK !
May 03 08:20:06 * ogra_ sighs deeeeeeeeply
May 03 08:20:11 * xnox maybe I should not comment on that blueprint....
May 03 08:21:21 <twb> That blueprint boils down to "now that we have migrated to armv7 so everyone is happy, Pi comes out and we can sell to it so we should go back to armv5" ?
May 03 08:22:25 <ogra_> twb, yeah, and there is also that openmoko platform ... and they all want to run unity on it :P
May 03 08:22:49 <twb> IMO the answer is "no tough shit, you should have thought of that 18mo ago"
May 03 08:23:14 <twb> "Why do you think it's $25 instead of $100?  Because it's an obsolete arch!"
May 03 08:24:53 <twb> ogra_: we should create a 286 emulator in minecraft and then propose to make the i386 packages all support it OOTB
May 03 08:25:12 <ogra_> ++
May 03 08:25:26 <micahg> twb: you don't even have to go that far, i386 is i686 :)
May 03 08:26:11 <twb> micahg: all of it?  I thought it was a hodge-podge of i386 i586 and i686
May 03 08:26:17 <twb> Maybe that's only in debian land
May 03 08:26:41 <twb> Also our emulated 286 would have no FPU or MMU
May 03 08:26:43 <micahg> yeah, Debian's still targetting some 586 machines, I think we've been at 686 since at least maverick
May 03 08:26:54 <twb> micahg: Okey dokeyt
May 03 08:27:00 <micahg> and now pae is gone :)
May 03 08:27:06 <micahg> err...non-pae :)
May 03 08:27:37 <twb> micahg: soekris net5501 doesn't support PAE -- that bit me when I tried to put lucid server kernel on it :-/
May 03 08:27:50 <twb> Fortunately I chucked that out because it couldn't handle our dirty power
May 03 08:28:13 <micahg> I thought there was a non-pae lucid server kernel
May 03 08:28:26 <twb> Shrug
May 03 09:02:43 <twb> Urgh, the I/O on this TF101 is not noticable -- except in apt
May 03 09:03:04 <twb> It takes like 30s just to read the sources lists out of /var and into memory
May 03 09:03:30 <twb> Package installs are hugely slow too, even with unsafe-io in dpkg.cfg
May 03 09:09:06 <djszapi> ogra_: hey...
May 03 09:25:01 * ppisati -> disappears for a bit
May 03 09:35:43 <thelegace_> hi im trying to compile this library called gst-rtsp
May 03 09:36:29 <thelegace_> when i run .configure it says configure: error: no gstreamer-1.0 >= 0.11.0
May 03 09:36:37 <thelegace_> but gstreamer is installed
May 03 09:38:48 <thelegace_> nvm i was using to new version of the library
May 03 11:16:36 <ppisati> ogra_: "Ubuntu Configurations for Raspberry Pi and Other Emerging ARM Platforms"
May 03 11:16:41 <ppisati> ogra_: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/2012-05-09/
May 03 11:17:09 <ogra_> sigh
May 03 11:17:18 <ppisati> ogra_: :)
May 03 11:17:40 <ogra_> well, we apparently have to face it at least once :/
May 03 13:53:45 <timholum> rcn-ee: thanks ( Also sorry about the late responce, my boss came in and needed me to go with him to work on something
May 03 14:06:57 <lilstevie_> "Being that the Raspberry Pi hardware platform has recently released, it's likely that many will install Ubuntu on this device." <- um what
May 03 14:12:23 <XorA> lilstevie_: you can install ubuntu on it
May 03 14:12:45 <lilstevie_> since when
May 03 14:12:50 <XorA> 8.04
May 03 14:12:57 <lilstevie_> unless you are talking about karmic
May 03 14:13:03 <XorA> ubuntu arm wasnt always armv7
May 03 14:13:10 <lilstevie_> I know it wasn't
May 03 14:13:54 <lilstevie_> wait, karmic was armv7 wasn't it
May 03 14:14:12 <ogra_> nope, v6
May 03 14:14:21 <ogra_> jaunty was v5
May 03 14:14:22 <rcn-ee> lucid, was the first armv7, it was armv6 karmic, armv5 jaunty..
May 03 14:14:26 <XorA> it only take a motivated individual with too many server class machine free to do an armv5 rebuild, can call it oldbuntu or something :-)
May 03 14:14:26 <lilstevie_> ah
May 03 14:15:09 <lilstevie_> but anyway, hardly seems relevant for UDS to talk about jaunty or karmic on the rpi
May 03 14:16:05 <XorA> as someone else said, its like the i386 of arm boards
May 03 14:16:21 <lilstevie_> heh
May 03 14:16:57 <XorA> still anoying that my one machine that is different is the Sheeva, but its debian so no too much different
May 03 14:17:22 <lilstevie> I was considering the pi
May 03 14:17:45 <lilstevie> but I like my t2 desktop and t3 tablet too much to take a step backwards like that
May 03 14:18:41 <XorA> my only regret with RPI is I didnt buy one then list it on ebay without opening it
May 03 14:19:05 <XorA> lilstevie: still waiting for 100% working Transformer :-D
May 03 14:19:15 <lilstevie> XorA: heh
May 03 14:19:20 <lilstevie> it is getting there :)
May 03 14:19:36 <lilstevie> how long did it take for the ac100?
May 03 14:20:13 <lilstevie> to get to its state
May 03 14:20:20 <XorA> no idea
May 03 14:21:03 <lilstevie> working on getting the prime up to a basic working state
May 03 14:22:10 <XorA> I didnt see enough in prime to upgrade
May 03 14:22:53 <lilstevie> heh
May 03 14:22:55 <lilstevie> tegra3
May 03 14:23:04 <lilstevie> ^^ biggest reason to upgrade
May 03 14:23:12 <XorA> for android I mean
May 03 14:23:22 <XorA> I could see me upgrading for fully working Ubuntu
May 03 14:23:47 <XorA> but normal transformer already plays videos at full speed and changes pages on pdfs/comics instantanrously
May 03 14:23:55 <lilstevie> I thought that
May 03 14:23:59 <lilstevie> then I got a prime
May 03 16:58:42 <ahs3> ogra_: hey.  finally got around to booting my cubox; it came with lucid pre-installed :)
May 03 16:59:03 <ogra_> ahs3, yeah, i heard so
May 03 16:59:17 <ogra_> we had someone here instaling precise on it from ubuntu-core
May 03 16:59:35 <ahs3> oh, nice.  that was going to be my next step
May 03 17:29:57 <jonmasters_> hey, who owns the audit userspace binaries?
May 03 17:33:25 <ogra_> jonmasters_, well, ubuntu has no package owners like debian does ...
May 03 17:33:47 <ogra_> auditd is in universe, your best bet is probably #ubuntu-motu
May 03 17:34:22 <jonmasters_> well, it's broken and there's a kernel patch coming soon you'll need to pick up too. Just wanted to let you guys know :)
May 03 17:36:38 <infinity> jonmasters_: Time to join MOTU and contribute? ;)
May 03 17:36:53 <infinity> jonmasters_: I'll trade you an ubuntu.com for a fedora.org.
May 03 17:37:49 <ogra_> lol
May 03 17:53:28 <jonmasters_> infinity: MOTU is "Masters of the Universe", right? I'm already a Masters of the Universe ;)
May 03 18:21:08 <infinity> jonmasters_: :P
May 03 18:33:21 <djszapi> ogra_: wow
May 03 18:33:46 <djszapi> The _FPU_EXTENDED, _FPU_GETCW and _FPU_SETCW macros are not available on ubuntu-arm
May 03 18:33:58 <djszapi> hefty; it causes the openal software break during the build.
May 03 18:36:41 <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/468116/ -> ohh, so it is there, just not by the default include path...
May 03 18:43:23 <infinity> djszapi: /usr/include/<triplet>/ is on the default path.
May 03 18:43:35 <infinity> djszapi: If it wasn't, pretty much nothing in the archive would build. :P
May 03 18:43:41 <djszapi> /usr/include/<triplet>/ is on the default path.
May 03 20:06:48 <ogra_> janimo`, yo ho ho ... will you ne at UDS ?
May 03 20:06:52 <ogra_> *be
May 03 20:07:07 <janimo`> ogra_, nope, not this one
May 03 20:07:15 <ogra_> *sniff*
May 03 20:07:23 <ogra_> have you seen my mail to the ac100 list ?
May 03 20:07:34 <janimo`> regarding the armhf package build?
May 03 20:07:39 <ogra_> we have hf drivers ... but apparently they need a 3.1 kernel
May 03 20:07:59 <janimo`> I thought there was no 3.1 kernel from marvin24 yet
May 03 20:08:10 <janimo`> or later for that matter
May 03 20:08:14 <janimo`> just WIP
May 03 20:08:15 <ogra_> i got them stable running now with marvins 3.1
May 03 20:08:21 <janimo`> ah ok
May 03 20:08:26 <ogra_> but have issues booting the kernel :P
May 03 20:08:43 <infinity> Shame we never got a 3.2 kernel. :/
May 03 20:08:48 <janimo`> how is it stable if the kernel does not boot :) ?
May 03 20:08:49 <ogra_> i can only successfully boot if i add break=bottom ... and then kill the shell in the initrd
May 03 20:08:54 <janimo`> ah
May 03 20:09:09 <ogra_> something makes it hang otherwise ...
May 03 20:09:16 <ogra_> there must be a bad race somewhere
May 03 20:09:33 <janimo`> does it need 3.1 or >=3.1  ?
May 03 20:09:45 <ogra_> (though just adding sleeps randomly to the scripts didnt help either)
May 03 20:09:53 <janimo`> I thought a lot of tegra2 and ac100 bits were going into 3.3
May 03 20:09:57 <ogra_> i think it uses 3.1.10
May 03 20:10:20 <ogra_> not sure how many will and if the binary driver works with it
May 03 20:12:51 <janimo`> afaik we used the earlier L4T drivers with kernels newer than what nvidia suggested and had in the SDK
May 03 20:13:20 <ogra_> well, sure, but someone will have to test that
May 03 20:13:39 <ogra_> i dont think there is any usable 3.3 tegra tree anywhere yet
May 03 20:13:52 <ogra_> and i'm soure there will still be enough to add
May 03 20:14:28 <infinity> If a lot of tegra stuff has been upstreamed in 3.3, perhaps 3.4 can be made to work? :P
May 03 20:14:37 <infinity> And we could actually match the distro kernel...
May 03 20:14:54 <ogra_> i think there are bits upstream wont accept easily
May 03 20:15:06 <ogra_> similar to omap4
May 03 20:15:07 <infinity> Well, sure, we can still carry a patchset.
May 03 20:15:17 <infinity> Most of omap4 is upstream by now, AFAIK.
May 03 20:15:22 <ogra_> thats what i mean ... it wont be for free like omap3
May 03 20:15:37 <ogra_> and for omap4 the DSS code wont go upstream
May 03 20:15:50 <ogra_> so if you want full display support you still need a patchset
May 03 20:17:08 <marvin24_DT> well, you can try my for-next branch if you want to be at the bleeding edge
May 03 20:17:21 <marvin24_DT> it has just 6 patches to enable kms driver
May 03 20:17:49 <marvin24_DT> but I guess it's not much fun
May 03 20:17:56 <ogra_> thats what version ? 3.3 ? 3.4 ? chromeos 3.something ?
May 03 20:18:39 <marvin24_DT> -next
May 03 20:18:44 <marvin24_DT> 3.4-rc5
May 03 20:18:47 <marvin24_DT> mainline
May 03 20:19:00 <marvin24_DT> but no suspend
May 03 20:19:08 <ogra_> bah
May 03 20:19:12 <marvin24_DT> and only basic powersave
May 03 20:19:16 <ogra_> what else is broken ?
May 03 20:19:22 <ogra_> bah, even worse
May 03 20:19:24 <marvin24_DT> broken?
May 03 20:19:32 <marvin24_DT> nothing
May 03 20:19:37 <marvin24_DT> just "missing"
May 03 20:19:37 <ogra_> well, suspend, powersave ...
May 03 20:19:40 <ogra_> does sound work ?
May 03 20:19:43 <marvin24_DT> yes
May 03 20:19:50 <ogra_> display ... touchpad ... wlan
May 03 20:19:52 <marvin24_DT> it is mainlined for a long time now
May 03 20:19:58 <marvin24_DT> all working
May 03 20:20:07 <ogra_> hmm. nice
May 03 20:20:31 <ogra_> so only power mgmt and suspend ? thats not as bad as i thought
May 03 20:20:42 <marvin24_DT> tegra folks invested much time into device tree conversion
May 03 20:20:50 <ogra_> great
May 03 20:20:52 <marvin24_DT> so not much is done on the hw support front
May 03 20:21:20 <marvin24_DT> it seems all the board files will be removed next time
May 03 20:21:30 <ogra_> so only DT then ?
May 03 20:21:33 <marvin24_DT> yes
May 03 20:21:42 <ogra_> good
May 03 20:21:44 <marvin24_DT> so if you want to port to a new device, just add a text file ;-)
May 03 20:21:54 <ogra_> yep
May 03 20:22:21 <ogra_> intresting that its actually nvidia that got that far
May 03 20:22:45 <marvin24_DT> I have no idea where omap is now
May 03 20:22:49 <ogra_> if you look at other new things in technology ... i.e. kms ... it takes them a century to adapt
May 03 20:22:51 <marvin24_DT> I also see a lot of patches from ti
May 03 20:23:05 <ogra_> yeah, b ut thats likely rather for omap4
May 03 20:23:38 <marvin24_DT> kms is not mainlined yet (therefore the 6 patches)
May 03 20:23:49 <marvin24_DT> but they are very small though
May 03 20:24:00 <ogra_> well, kms in general ... even on x86
May 03 20:24:02 <marvin24_DT> I think alied already can live with them
May 03 20:24:23 <ogra_> its like what ... 6 years old now ?
May 03 20:24:39 <ogra_> and it took them this long to adapt their drivers
May 03 20:24:40 <marvin24_DT> btw, is it possible to build a xf86-video-modesetting package?
May 03 20:24:43 <marvin24_DT> for armhf?
May 03 20:24:51 <ogra_> i dont see why not
May 03 20:24:55 <marvin24_DT> I hate to build it myself all the time
May 03 20:25:19 <marvin24_DT> I mean add it to the ubuntu distro
May 03 20:25:26 <ogra_> file a bug, i'll talk to RAOF (org maintainer) next week
May 03 20:25:39 <ogra_> s/org/xorg/
May 03 20:25:59 <marvin24_DT> ogra_: against what?
May 03 20:26:20 <ogra_> hmm., good question, can you build it from any source we laready have ?
May 03 20:26:24 <ogra_> *already
May 03 20:26:34 <ogra_> if not, just the ubuntu project
May 03 20:26:58 <marvin24_DT> yes, basicly it is just one file
May 03 20:27:03 <marvin24_DT> (and a man page)
May 03 20:27:24 <marvin24_DT> eh, n
May 03 20:27:25 <marvin24_DT> o
May 03 20:27:31 <marvin24_DT> no source package yet
May 03 20:27:48 <ogra_> right, just file it against ubuntu then
May 03 20:39:44 <marvin24_DT> done
May 03 23:12:12 <evolvdone> I'm having a problem with getting ubuntu loaded up on my pandaboard es. When I first boot up after loading the image on the SD card everything seems to be working then it reboots and I get a erro saying "Errors were found while checking the disk drive for /"
May 03 23:12:33 <evolvdone> Anyone seen this before?
May 03 23:15:27 <infinity> evolvdone: Your card's failing.
May 03 23:15:36 <infinity> evolvdone: Not much else to say about that.
May 03 23:15:45 <evolvdone> bummer I just got it
May 03 23:15:59 <davecheney> if you just burnt the image onto the card, did you check the sha1sum ?
May 03 23:16:02 <infinity> evolvdone: Assuming you wrote to the card correctly, the install is fairly foolproof after that.
May 03 23:16:11 <davecheney> but it's most likely just burnt out
May 03 23:16:27 <evolvdone> yeah I tried it both in windows and linux to see if it would make a difference
May 03 23:17:00 <infinity> SD card quality (or lack thereof) is the reason I wish we'd stop doing the preinstalled images and just make people use external hard drives. :P
May 03 23:17:40 <evolvdone> I have a external hd around I could use, I still need a working sd card to get that to work though, correct?
May 03 23:17:56 <infinity> evolvdone: You need an SD that works siginificantly less robustly, though. :)
May 03 23:18:08 <TypoNAM> infinity: aren't preinstalled images still useful for USB external hard drives?
May 03 23:18:19 <infinity> evolvdone: Installing to an external HDD just means having a small 8MB vfat partition on a card.
May 03 23:18:38 <evolvdone> Ha, guess I will give that working then
May 03 23:18:43 <infinity> TypoNAM: using a d-i image to install directly to the hard drive is a lot less hassle in the end.
May 03 23:18:54 <infinity> TypoNAM: And means you don't have to boot your entire OS from flash...
May 03 23:19:05 <evolvdone> a d-i image?
May 03 23:19:27 <infinity> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap4/netboot/
May 03 23:20:14 <infinity> Grab boot.img-fb.gz, zcat to a card, boot, enjoy.
May 03 23:20:25 <infinity> (or -serial.gz, if you prefer using a serial terminal)
May 03 23:20:43 <infinity> Granted, neither of those will install ubuntu-desktop by default, but that's an easy enough fix once you're done.
May 03 23:20:59 <evolvdone> awesome stuff
May 03 23:21:14 <infinity> (And given that they don't, they're also in a better position if you wanted to try, say, kubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop instead)
May 03 23:22:05 <davecheney> are there any dev boards that offer sata (or even pata?) as an option
May 03 23:22:16 <evolvdone> thanks for the help, i'm going to mess with it now
May 03 23:22:18 <infinity> davecheney: The i.MX53 QuickStart has SATA.
May 03 23:22:37 <davecheney> i looked at that when i got my panda
May 03 23:22:39 <infinity> davecheney: As does the Marvell ArmadaXP, though we don't talk about that one.
May 03 23:23:05 <davecheney> either it wasn't in stock, or it had teeny tiny onboard ram
May 03 23:23:12 <davecheney> and i knew the panda just worked (tm)
May 03 23:23:16 <infinity> davecheney: In general, I'd recommend a Panda over the QuickStart just because the CPU is significantly speedier, but when the MX6 boards come out, they'll really be worth a look.
May 03 23:23:46 <infinity> (I have both on my desk, I love my QuickStart, but an A8 just can't compete with a dual-core A9)
May 03 23:24:09 <davecheney> in australia, i had to take what I could get
May 03 23:24:15 <davecheney> everything else was backordered
May 03 23:24:36 <davecheney> even then I had to priomse to Mouser that I wasn't going to make a bomb with it or something
May 03 23:24:55 <infinity> ;)
May 03 23:26:45 <davecheney> fwiw, i've been running a panda for about 6 months on a crap 8gb memory card I bought at the supermarket
May 03 23:26:55 <davecheney> i host my /home on nfs and mount /tmp on a ramdisk
May 03 23:27:00 <davecheney> so the card doesn't take much of a pounding
May 03 23:27:10 <infinity> Certainly helps, yeah.
May 03 23:27:22 <infinity> I've burned through a lot of cards doing development on these things.
May 03 23:27:29 <infinity> THough I have a Lexar that Just Won't Die.
May 03 23:27:57 <davecheney> i understand about sd frustration, but being able to gunzip the image, plug in my monitor and turn on
May 03 23:28:00 <davecheney> was pretty bloody amazing
May 03 23:28:47 <infinity> Yeah, it's a really neat tool for demoing.
May 03 23:29:01 <davecheney> no serial cable jiggery pokery, or buying a dodgy jtag usb adapter (hello netgear stora) from a forum
May 03 23:29:03 <infinity> Though I think it gives an unfairly poor user experince at times.
May 03 23:29:16 <infinity> (Full Ubuntu desktop + Firefox off an SD, even a "nice" class 10, is... Slow)
May 03 23:29:27 <davecheney> yeah
May 03 23:33:17 <infinity> http://paste.ubuntu.com/965823/ <-- Says it all.
May 03 23:33:26 <infinity> SATA > USB > SD
May 03 23:34:15 <infinity> (All on the same board)
May 03 23:34:49 <davecheney> whoa, that is crapz0r
May 03 23:35:10 <davecheney> maybe I should netboot this board
May 03 23:35:25 <davecheney> although that would be ~10Mb/s
May 04 02:06:54 <jimerickson> after latest update on 12.04 i am getting lots of kernel panics on my pandaboard ES.
May 04 02:14:53 <infinity> jimerickson: -> #ubuntu-kernel
May 04 02:14:59 <infinity> jimerickson: Or, better yet, file a bug.
May 04 02:15:21 <jimerickson> infinity: thanks will do
May 04 02:16:11 <infinity> jimerickson: Actually, wait.  The kernel hasn't been updated for omap4 since release.
May 04 02:16:36 <infinity> jimerickson: Are you using a non-Ubuntu kernel?  (maybe from the tiomap-dev PPA?)
May 04 02:16:46 <jimerickson> no
May 04 02:17:25 <infinity> 3.2.0-1412-omap4 #16-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue Apr 17 19:38:42 UTC 2012
May 04 02:17:29 <infinity> ^-- That kernel, then?
May 04 02:17:44 <jimerickson> one minute i will check
May 04 02:18:02 <infinity> It certainly hasn't panicked for me yet, and I do pretty nasty things to my Panda and PandaES so, yeah, please file a bug if it's that kernel.
May 04 02:18:36 <TypoNAM> same here, no kernel panics with Ubuntu 12.04 on my pandaboard ES
May 04 02:18:57 <jimerickson> yes it is that kernel. i am on my way to file a bug.
May 04 02:19:09 <infinity> jimerickson: Kay, thanks.  Source package is "linux-ti-omap4"
May 04 02:19:27 <jimerickson> ok no problem
May 04 02:19:54 <infinity> (And when you say "panic", you do mean panic, right, not oopses?)
May 04 02:20:37 <infinity> Not that you shouldn't also file oopses.
May 04 02:20:54 <jimerickson> no its a panic
May 04 02:21:32 <infinity> Alrighty.  File away.  Logs and/or pictures (if it's dying before it can sync syslog to disk) please. ;)
May 04 02:22:38 <infinity> And man, I haven't looked at dmesg on an ES before (just got mine)... This omap_thermal stuff is nooooooisy.
May 04 02:22:48 <jimerickson> infinity it will have to be a picture. its dying before anything gets synced to syslog
May 04 02:22:51 <infinity> Think I might see about shutting that up in an SRU.
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