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May 23 09:33:35 <djszapi> ogra_: hey, I am having this issue after the ubuntu 12.04 reinstallation on the pandaboard: http://paste.kde.org/484964/ I would like to play an ogg file, that is all.
May 23 09:35:35 <ogra_> just use paplay
May 23 09:36:10 <djszapi> ogg should work as well...
May 23 09:36:26 <djszapi> (it did before the reinstallation)
May 23 09:36:56 <ogra_> it works fine here using paplay
May 23 09:37:30 <djszapi> uhh, it is nasty PA stuff...
May 23 09:37:35 * abogani waves all
May 23 09:37:36 <abogani> Could anyone pinpoint me on RTFM to install Ubuntu on an BeagleBone, please?
May 23 09:37:47 <abogani> Thanks in advance!
May 23 09:38:14 <ogra_> abogani, we dont have bootloader or kernel support in the official ubuntu images for the bone yet
May 23 09:38:52 <ogra_> not sure if someone already has a community port or so, ask in #beagle, probably rcn-ee has rolled an image or some such
May 23 09:39:06 <djszapi> ogra_: paplay is a no go anyway since that would require the rewriting of the software
May 23 09:39:18 <djszapi> the software executes ogg123, and that is something which should work.
May 23 09:39:45 <abogani> ogra_, Thanks!
May 23 09:39:49 <djszapi> not to mention, paplay does not work either: Connection failure: Connection refused
May 23 09:39:52 <djszapi> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
May 23 09:40:02 <ogra_> your pulse daemon isnt running it seems
May 23 09:40:17 <djszapi> anyway, I would like to avoid using pulse
May 23 09:40:22 <djszapi> I would like to use alsa.
May 23 09:40:37 <twb> I wonder if aplay would've worked fine at that point
May 23 09:40:46 * twb is an anti-PA bigot
May 23 09:40:55 <ogra_> it should, if all sound related packages are installed
May 23 09:41:07 <djszapi> libasound2 is installed.
May 23 09:41:13 <ogra_> we only test PA with gstreamer since thats the default setup
May 23 09:41:54 <djszapi> I have honestly no clue :-S
May 23 09:42:24 <ogra_> are alsa-base and alsa-utils installed ?
May 23 09:43:07 <djszapi> yes
May 23 09:43:31 <ogra_> and does /proc/asound/cards list the panda ?
May 23 09:43:36 <djszapi> those are all installed by running "apt-get install alsa-utils".
May 23 09:43:41 <djszapi> yes
May 23 09:43:58 <ogra_> well, no idea then
May 23 09:44:22 <ogra_> i know it works fine on the desktop images using PA and any gstreamer player
May 23 09:44:24 <djszapi> perhaps another bug in 12.04 :(
May 23 09:44:32 <ogra_> since thats what we test
May 23 09:45:41 * djszapi is installing mplayer for making sure many stuff are installed.
May 23 09:45:45 <ogra_> and to be honest i dont really care about cmdline players, if someone finds a bug i'll happily upload a fix though
May 23 09:46:26 <djszapi> well, it is not command line interface issue
May 23 09:46:33 <djszapi> I am sure it is exactly the same with ui interface
May 23 09:46:38 <ogra_> well, its not a gstreamer player
May 23 09:46:42 <djszapi> the error message clearly looks like an operational issue
May 23 09:46:56 <djszapi> it is not that the program is executed with wrong parameters, etc.
May 23 09:47:05 <djszapi> why would it ?
May 23 09:47:19 <ogra_> dunno, but thats what we care about
May 23 09:47:39 <djszapi> so you do not care about basic command line utils working ?
May 23 09:47:49 <ogra_> send a patch if you find a bug
May 23 09:48:06 <djszapi> perhaps there is a reason to use linaro images...
May 23 09:48:25 <ogra_> we do test the default desktop in all functions (including ogg and mp3 playback) ... as lomng as that works ...
May 23 09:48:43 <ogra_> linaro images are just using a different kernel
May 23 09:48:53 <djszapi> not quite
May 23 09:48:58 <ogra_> beyond that they are identical and built from the very same archive
May 23 09:49:00 <djszapi> they also have patches against user space softwares.
May 23 09:49:12 <ogra_> well, feel free to use linaro then
May 23 09:51:21 <djszapi> will do
May 23 09:54:20 <djszapi> so why is the pulse daemon not running right after the installation ?
May 23 09:55:58 <ogra_> dunno, its usually started by the desktop session at login
May 23 09:56:22 <djszapi> let me reboot then...
May 23 09:57:27 <djszapi> same after reboot: Connection failure: Connection refused
May 23 09:57:28 <djszapi> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
May 23 09:58:52 <djszapi> perhaps the postinstallation script is broken
May 23 09:59:05 <ogra_> well, it works for everyone else
May 23 09:59:13 <djszapi> not quite
May 23 09:59:18 <ogra_> did you do a normal desktop install ?
May 23 09:59:23 <djszapi> it is the same issue for my colleagues as well actually
May 23 10:00:29 <djszapi> no, we discussed that that is not so good idea
May 23 10:00:36 <djszapi> so I went for the server install obviously.
May 23 10:01:18 <ogra_> well, then you are on your own, find the missing pieces, fix them, it works fine on std desktop installs so you are obviously missing bits
May 23 10:02:34 <djszapi> actually I remember it did not work with desktop installation either
May 23 10:02:40 <djszapi> and that was one reason I went for alsa.
May 23 10:02:45 <djszapi> since I had more issues with pulse.
May 23 10:02:58 <djszapi> when I previously had the linary desktop images.
May 23 10:03:36 <djszapi> (this is why I asked if 12.04 is any usable on pandaboard)
May 23 10:03:43 <djszapi> 11.10 worked better so far.
May 23 10:03:53 <ogra_> not here, not in the tests
May 23 10:04:33 <djszapi> right, so the problem was the pulseaudio is a *separate* package, not installed by the pulse-utils.
May 23 10:12:25 <djszapi> ogra_: paplay did not work
May 23 10:12:28 <djszapi> even after running the server
May 23 10:12:32 <djszapi> empty output, and no sound
May 23 10:15:00 <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/484994/ -> but I hear no sound. Why is that ?
May 23 12:41:53 * djszapi is pondering to install 11.10 back since as feared, the 12.04 is incapable for pandaboard for the time being :(
May 23 12:42:40 <ogra_> just use a normal install
May 23 12:43:29 <djszapi> that is not an option unfortunately.
May 23 12:52:24 <djszapi> ogra_: isn't there a ready made "default" desktop image I can just dd onto an sdcard and use that as the base for my further system ?
May 23 12:54:14 <av500> djszapi: I can sell you an sdcard with desktop "installed"
May 23 12:57:12 <djszapi> no, thanks. :)
May 23 12:58:40 <av500> other OS's even have that as a service: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Fedora-Operating-System-8GB-SD-Card-Expanded-/300705977609
May 23 12:58:56 <ogra_> haha
May 23 12:58:59 <ogra_> funny
May 23 12:59:42 <djszapi> ogra_: isn't there some metapackages ?
May 23 12:59:54 <djszapi> for getting the same out of the server installation as if it had been the desktop ?
May 23 13:00:10 <ogra_> sudo apt-get install ubunut-make-sound-work-for-djszapi
May 23 13:00:13 <ogra_> ?
May 23 13:00:21 <djszapi> ehh
May 23 13:00:38 <djszapi> ogra_: we really need this for our project. Please do not joke :p
May 23 13:00:53 <djszapi> I would have expected some meta package.
May 23 13:00:57 <ogra_> well, the only metapackages we have would install the whole desktop
May 23 13:00:59 <djszapi> like we have gnome, kde, etc on archlinux
May 23 13:01:23 <djszapi> so no other way than the installer ?
May 23 13:01:30 <ogra_> ubuntu-desktop ... though you dont want to install metapackages, usually the meta goes along with a task, you want to install the task
May 23 13:01:34 <djszapi> that is physically really not possible unfortunately.
May 23 13:02:02 <djszapi> ok ubuntu-desktop, works
May 23 13:02:07 <djszapi> is it safe to install that ?
May 23 13:02:13 <djszapi> 1 upgraded, 792 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
May 23 13:02:13 <djszapi> Need to get 212 MB/252 MB of archives.
May 23 13:02:13 <djszapi> After this operation, 800 MB of additional disk space will be used.
May 23 13:02:15 <ogra_> beyond that, did you follow the ubuntu wiki to debug sound issues (or upstream docs for this)
May 23 13:02:21 <djszapi> yes
May 23 13:02:25 <djszapi> even discussed with upstream devs
May 23 13:02:27 <djszapi> for hours
May 23 13:02:37 <djszapi> same with my colleague in here.
May 23 13:02:41 <ogra_> did you check your mixer settings etc ?
May 23 13:03:02 <ogra_> and all the other general stuff thats descrivbed on the respective debug pages on the wiki
May 23 13:03:55 <djszapi> ogra_: yes, we did
May 23 13:04:04 <djszapi> yes, we did
May 23 13:04:18 <djszapi> so is this safe to execute then ?
May 23 13:04:22 <djszapi> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
May 23 13:04:37 <ogra_> that will get you the ubuntu default desktop installed
May 23 13:04:48 <ogra_> though as i said, use the task instead
May 23 13:04:55 <djszapi> what is the task ?
May 23 13:05:06 <ogra_> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ^
May 23 13:05:14 <ogra_> err, nob space before the caret
May 23 13:05:22 <ogra_> or use tasksel
May 23 13:05:45 <djszapi> 1 upgraded, 786 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
May 23 13:05:45 <djszapi> Need to get 198 MB/237 MB of archives.
May 23 13:05:46 <djszapi> After this operation, 734 MB of additional disk space will be used.
May 23 13:05:49 <djszapi> fire ?
May 23 13:06:38 <djszapi> I pressed "Y".
May 23 13:08:29 <djszapi> ogra_: so ogg123 foo.ogg works for you on the pandaboard with Ubuntu 12.04 ?
May 23 13:08:53 <ogra_> no idea, i never test anything but gstreamer players
May 23 13:09:02 <ogra_> but i would assume so
May 23 13:09:20 <djszapi> can you test ?
May 23 13:09:22 * ogra_ has no desktop install around, all my pandas are build machines atm
May 23 13:09:29 <djszapi> eh...
May 23 13:09:45 <djszapi> well to be positive a bit, omap4-extras seems to be bundled with 12.04
May 23 13:09:48 <djszapi> was not the case previously.
May 23 13:10:13 <ogra_> omap4-extras doesnt exist in 12.04
May 23 13:10:29 <djszapi> yes, exactly.
May 23 13:10:40 <ogra_> because there are no contents for it
May 23 13:11:00 <ogra_> the pvr driver is in the ubuntu archive, all other bits simply dont exist
May 23 13:11:06 <djszapi> sgx and gles drivers
May 23 13:11:15 <djszapi> that is what we used omap4-extras for previously.
May 23 13:11:34 <ogra_> omap4-extras pulled in a lot more than just sgx/pvr
May 23 13:11:43 <djszapi> I know, but that is what we needed.
May 23 13:11:49 <djszapi> so how can we achieve those with 12.04 ?
May 23 13:12:04 <ogra_> achieve what exactly ?
May 23 13:12:23 <djszapi> having proper support for those
May 23 13:12:32 <ogra_> those ?
May 23 13:12:32 <djszapi> to not lose what we had with omap4-extras previously.
May 23 13:12:42 <ogra_> there is no way
May 23 13:12:44 <djszapi> yes, what omap4-extras contained...
May 23 13:12:53 <djszapi> why is this regression ?
May 23 13:13:00 <ogra_> TI didnt release the multimedia codecs for the 12.04 release
May 23 13:13:45 <djszapi> is there anything I can read about that sentence ?
May 23 13:13:50 <djszapi> some link
May 23 13:13:54 <ogra_> nope
May 23 13:14:26 <djszapi> what do you mean by ubuntu archive ?
May 23 13:14:27 <ogra_> they simply didnt port their stuff to 3.2
May 23 13:14:47 <ogra_> with ubuntu archive i mean ports.ubuntu.com/archive.ubuntu.com
May 23 13:15:24 <djszapi> ogra_: is this really the right one for panda ? armhf
May 23 13:15:35 <ogra_> yes
May 23 13:15:47 <ogra_> ports.ubuntu-com is the archive for armhf
May 23 13:15:58 <ogra_> s/-/\./
May 23 13:16:09 <av500> for playing ogg files it does not matter if TI ported the IVAHD stuff to 12.04
May 23 13:16:18 <ogra_> right
May 23 13:16:25 <djszapi> obviously.
May 23 13:16:44 <ogra_> it just matters that your alsa UCM setup is proper and the mixers are all adjusted right
May 23 13:17:02 <djszapi> alsaucm set _verb HiFi
May 23 13:17:06 <ogra_> but he said he went through all alsa debugging and latest upstream should have pointed to UCM
May 23 13:17:07 <djszapi> sudo alsactl store
May 23 13:17:26 <ogra_> yeah, that should give you the proper setup
May 23 13:17:29 <djszapi> sine wave: http://paste.kde.org/485102/
May 23 13:17:47 <djszapi> alsa is running "fine".
May 23 13:17:53 <djszapi> I mean no errors, just one curious line
May 23 13:18:00 <djszapi> but the stuff is apparently playing by using ogg123
May 23 13:18:03 <djszapi> however, no sound
May 23 13:18:13 <djszapi> pactl list clearly shows there is no proper sink stuff
May 23 13:18:16 <djszapi> just a dummy stuff
May 23 13:18:27 <djszapi> but then again, I do not care about pulse
May 23 13:18:29 <djszapi> if alsa works
May 23 13:18:32 <djszapi> and vice versa
May 23 13:19:00 <ogra_> are you sure you havent plugged into the mic socket ?
May 23 13:19:01 <ogra_> :)
May 23 13:19:11 <djszapi> totally sure
May 23 13:19:17 <djszapi> and I tried both
May 23 13:28:59 <ogra_> av500, actually your link makes me wonder, is the R-Pi boot blob freely (and commercially) distributable
May 23 13:29:14 <av500> ogra_: I dont know
May 23 13:29:19 <av500> and dont care :)
May 23 13:29:31 * ogra_ suspects that SD is highly illegal 
May 23 13:29:46 <av500> of course, sine I bet you cannot send the guy a GPL Request
May 23 13:29:49 <av500> since*
May 23 13:29:57 <ogra_> that too
May 23 13:30:07 <av500> would be fun to get the card and than involve ebay and paypal over the GPL :)
May 23 13:30:13 <av500> copy it and return :)
May 23 13:30:15 <ogra_> i rather suspec the closed boot code to be nondistributable though
May 23 13:30:24 <ogra_> haha
May 23 13:30:50 * suihkulokki finds the concept of undistributable boot code silly
May 23 13:30:50 <av500> ogra_: I guess even mentioning the pi needs approval from the "Foundation"
May 23 13:30:55 <ogra_> yeah
May 23 13:31:00 <suihkulokki> it's not like you can use it on any competitors device?
May 23 13:31:19 <ogra_> all the R-Pi based phones !
May 23 13:31:22 <av500> suihkulokki: its about the patented linked list inside....
May 23 13:31:22 <ogra_> :)
May 23 13:32:58 * djszapi suspects that this metapackage installation takes at least 4-5 hours :(
May 23 13:33:30 <djszapi> or perhaps it is going to be ready in "just" 2-3 hours.
May 23 13:35:08 <ogra_> sounds about right depending on your SD card
May 23 13:36:02 <djszapi> Kingston 4 GB
May 23 13:40:45 <av500> thats like a lottery ticket
May 23 14:47:57 <jimerickson> how does one go about getting the 3.4.0-200.1 kernel for omap4?
May 23 15:01:18 * ogra_ doesnt know wheer that kernel version would come from
May 23 15:01:38 <ogra_> quantal has 3.4.0-201.2 currently
May 23 15:02:42 <ogra_> (and precise has 3.2.0-1413.17)
May 23 15:03:56 <djszapi> ogra_: funky, still "upgrading".
May 23 15:17:19 <djszapi> ogra_: guys are saying that in #alsa, it is a kernel regression
May 23 15:17:24 <djszapi> guessing*
May 23 15:17:35 <djszapi> so I do really wonder how it worked for you, if that is the case.
May 23 15:38:22 <dash> howdy. anybody here with an mx53 board that knows how to get it to do 1280x1024 on its vga out? looks lii need to discover
May 23 15:46:04 <ogra_> dash, infinity has such a board but i dont think he even has a monitor attached (not sure)
May 23 15:46:23 <ogra_> i think there are more mx53 users in #linaro
May 23 15:46:38 <dash> alrighty
May 23 15:47:58 <djszapi> ogra_: I think you were wrong
May 23 15:48:05 <djszapi> there are patches in 3.4 which makes the sound work
May 23 15:48:07 <djszapi> http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2012-February/049246.html
May 23 15:48:18 <ogra_> djszapi, we dont use 3.4 in ubuntu
May 23 15:48:22 <djszapi> exactly
May 23 15:48:24 <ogra_> (in 12.04 that is)
May 23 15:48:26 <djszapi> that is why it cannot work
May 23 15:48:37 <djszapi> on the contrary, the linaro guys might have taken care of this.
May 23 15:48:38 <ogra_> and have a very special tree with a lot of extra patches and backports
May 23 15:49:10 <djszapi> ogra_: in 12.04 ?
May 23 15:49:11 <ogra_> and we definitely have working sound OOTB
May 23 15:49:18 <djszapi> not for the pandaboard
May 23 15:49:23 <ogra_> since 10.04 yes
May 23 15:49:25 <djszapi> see the kernel patch above
May 23 15:49:49 * ogra_ isnt intrested in kernel patches
May 23 15:49:55 <djszapi> then trust us
May 23 15:49:57 <djszapi> it cannot work
May 23 15:50:39 <djszapi> right, the desktop confirms me
May 23 15:50:42 <djszapi> still not working
May 23 15:50:57 <ogra_> works here after the first reboot after the install has run
May 23 15:51:02 <ogra_> every time
May 23 15:51:10 <ogra_> and on the Qa machines as well
May 23 15:51:33 <ogra_> (and i remember adding the necessary UCM changes before release and verifying them)
May 23 15:51:55 <ogra_> probably your board is broken or some such, i know for sure it works
May 23 15:52:05 <djszapi> well, I have three boards
May 23 15:52:11 <djszapi> all of them are non-working
May 23 15:52:19 <djszapi> although with the linary ubuntu stuff they all worked
May 23 15:52:25 <djszapi> it is only borked with the stock ubuntu stuff
May 23 15:52:26 <ogra_> then use that
May 23 15:52:58 <ogra_> the stock ubuntu stuff is using the linaro tree as a base btw
May 23 15:53:01 <djszapi> yes...after wasting 1-2 days....
May 23 15:53:11 <ogra_> *shrug*
May 23 15:53:12 <djszapi> this is EXACTLY why I asked about the quality of 12.04...
May 23 15:53:22 <djszapi> it was already borked for gfx stuff...
May 23 15:53:25 <ogra_> it works here and in all QA tests
May 23 15:53:46 <djszapi> sure...
May 23 15:53:49 <ogra_> as well as the graphics
May 23 15:53:57 <djszapi> fix your QA tests
May 23 15:54:01 <djszapi> to represent more environments.
May 23 15:54:03 <ogra_> including unity-3d
May 23 15:54:49 <djszapi> show me the QA runs pls
May 23 15:54:57 <djszapi> with all the environments to see what that actually is doing
May 23 15:55:05 <djszapi> (for the pandaboard, that is)
May 23 15:55:13 <ogra_> we test the environments we support
May 23 15:55:26 <djszapi> Right, pandaboard Rev A3 is not supported
May 23 15:55:59 <djszapi> pretty please: make this clear for others so others do not necessarily need to waste 1-2 days.
May 23 15:56:46 <djszapi> because when I asked I was said "Of course, we support, do you think we provide bad quality?"
May 23 15:57:01 <ogra_> A1-ES are supported
May 23 15:57:02 <djszapi> answer: yes, it is unsupported and has bad quality
May 23 15:57:11 <ogra_> andd have been fully tested
May 23 15:57:14 <djszapi> with Rev A3
May 23 15:57:25 <ogra_> a1-ES i said
May 23 15:57:47 <djszapi> no, you did not
May 23 15:57:53 <djszapi> you said, of course it works
May 23 15:57:54 <ogra_> no, i'm actually wrong, its A2 -ES
May 23 15:57:56 <djszapi> would we provide bad quality ?
May 23 15:58:05 <ogra_> we dropped A1 aupport in natty iirc
May 23 15:58:17 <djszapi> it is nor A1, nor A2
May 23 15:58:19 <djszapi> it is A3
May 23 15:58:27 <djszapi> and definitely not EES
May 23 15:58:29 <djszapi> ES*
May 23 15:58:31 <ogra_> yes, which is between A2 and ES
May 23 15:59:29 <djszapi> anyway, pretty please: make this clear on the website or some user visible place: 12.04 does not give a crap about Rev A3
May 23 15:59:41 <djszapi> so others do not need to suffer from the very same issues.
May 23 16:01:27 <mythos> so, if i want mess more around with arm, should i buy a pandaboard es or something else?
May 23 16:01:34 <mythos> *want to
May 23 16:01:53 <djszapi> mythos: not A3 at least.
May 23 16:01:55 <ogra_> mythos, thats surely a good platform to get familiar with arm
May 23 16:02:03 <djszapi> try to get them answered for the very question: which models work?
May 23 16:02:07 <ogra_> and dont listen to the troll pleass
May 23 16:02:11 <ogra_> *please
May 23 16:02:20 * ogra_ thinks this is getting very tiring
May 23 16:02:45 <mythos> ogra_, ok... thanks
May 23 16:04:29 <djszapi> mythos: please handle advices carefully :)
May 23 16:04:38 <djszapi> I have also been said "surely works"
May 23 16:05:00 <djszapi> not really after a full day experimenting :(
May 23 16:05:24 <jimerickson> ogra just got 3.4.0-201.2 thanks
May 23 16:05:33 <ogra_> great :)
May 23 16:06:10 <ogra_> jimerickson, does it work ? (i dont think anyone but the uploader even tried it yet)
May 23 16:06:55 <mythos> djszapi, actually, if the armhf-port works, it would be fine too
May 23 16:06:59 <jimerickson> downloading now will reboot in afew
May 23 16:07:02 <mythos> *from debian
May 23 16:08:10 <djszapi> mythos: I see. Yeah, I would be very happy too, if a simple sound could be played with an Ubuntu image. I cannot seem to be able to manager that. I fall back to Linaro.
May 23 16:08:17 <mythos> djszapi, even if only armel would work, it would be fine ;)
May 23 16:08:22 <djszapi> manage*, ehh.
May 23 16:08:23 <ogra_> mythos, it should, though i have no clue what kernel they use in debian, its likiely upstream which misses the DSS patches
May 23 16:08:46 <djszapi> mythos: yeah, the point is working, I agree. :)
May 23 16:09:06 <mythos> ogra_, no problem. i will test that
May 23 16:09:53 <ogra_> userspace wise debian armhf is largely the same as ubuntu armhf
May 23 16:10:07 <ogra_> (same toolchain, same build options)
May 23 16:11:31 <mythos> i don't even need a working x11 driver. xvfb is good enough for my purpose
May 23 16:11:44 <ogra_> yeah, that will work fine
May 23 16:12:02 <ogra_> though as i said, not sure about the DSS patches
May 23 16:12:23 <ogra_> (which you will need even for xfbdev)
May 23 16:12:54 <mythos> ogra_, ok, thanks. i will see, when i have the board ^^
May 23 16:13:01 <ogra_> :)
May 23 16:13:11 <djszapi> mythos: I would also consider linaro images.
May 23 16:13:19 <djszapi> they have some custom patches directly for the boards.
May 23 16:13:31 <ogra_> nothing the ubuntu kernel doesnt ship
May 23 16:13:46 <ogra_> (given the base tree is a merge of linaro and TI trees)
May 23 16:13:51 <mythos> djszapi, if i have to patch and compile it myself to use debian/ubuntu, so be it ;)
May 23 16:14:08 <ogra_> we have binaries for everything in the archive, no worries :)
May 23 16:14:39 <djszapi> mythos: just as an example, audio does not work here, but works fine with linaro
May 23 16:14:44 <djszapi> which I consider a basic functionality.
May 23 16:15:00 <djszapi> You can patch the ubuntu kernel yourself, but you do the same job as the linaro guys in the end.
May 23 16:15:07 <ogra_> audio works fine if you use a proper image and install it following the instructions
May 23 16:15:10 <djszapi> (if you do not make any mistakes in the workflow)
May 23 16:15:11 <mythos> djszapi, hmm... i have usb-audio-devices here. so i can work around this problem
May 23 16:15:28 <djszapi> mythos: why would you, if you have a working option oob ?
May 23 16:15:43 <ogra_> djszapi, couls you stop sprading FUD please
May 23 16:15:59 <ogra_> linaro doesnt use ubuntu trees or put anything on top of them
May 23 16:16:10 <mythos> djszapi, because i only want to test my software on the arm-device. a working audio-out would be nice, but is not necessary for me
May 23 16:16:44 <ogra_> and as i said, if you follow the instructions instead of hacking together your own solution with ignoring all good advice various people give you, then yes, sound might not work
May 23 16:17:20 <mythos> djszapi, and with pulseaudio, i could use tunneling for audio too. so i don't even need a audiodevice for the armboard
May 23 16:17:25 <djszapi> mythos: yep, but they also deal with other things, not just audio.
May 23 16:18:48 <jimerickson> ogra while installing Assertion Error: file must be in binary mode. dkms reports bad return for module build. reported bug. do i dare to reboot to the new kernel?
May 23 16:19:07 <ogra_> jimerickson, thats likely the PVR driver
May 23 16:19:20 <ogra_> assuming you have it installed over there
May 23 16:19:46 <jimerickson> ah ok so a reboot is ok? yes i have it installed.
May 23 16:19:52 <ogra_> might give you broken X
May 23 16:20:09 <ogra_> but consoles should still work ...
May 23 16:20:13 <jimerickson> i can handle that much
May 23 16:20:17 <djszapi> mythos: for instance my colleague had issues with the hardware acceleration
May 23 16:20:28 <djszapi> mythos: he also had to use linary things where those were fixed up.
May 23 16:20:38 <mythos> <ogra_> (which you will need even for xfbdev) <-- oh, i overread that. xvfb uses a framebuffer in ram and to access it, you have to use vnc or something similar
May 23 16:20:47 <djszapi> 12.04 was broken for that
May 23 16:21:03 <djszapi> linaro*, cannot type :)
May 23 16:21:09 <mythos> djszapi, hw-accel for videoout?
May 23 16:21:17 <mythos> djszapi, i don't need that either
May 23 16:21:21 <ogra_> mythos, DSS is driving all the kernel side display stuff including /dev/fb0
May 23 16:21:41 <mythos> ogra_, xvfb does not need any fb-device
May 23 16:21:47 <djszapi> mythos: I am not saying you need. I am saying linaro works in many areas to fix up shortcomings, hence providing a more robust solution.
May 23 16:22:01 <ogra_> mythos, do you mean xvfb vs xfbdev ?
May 23 16:22:02 <mythos> ogra_, it only needs ram
May 23 16:22:27 <mythos> ogra_, yeah, we speak from something different ;)
May 23 16:22:31 <ogra_> yeah, indeed, thats virtual, sorry, i though you talked about xfbdev
May 23 16:23:03 <mythos> djszapi, but does linaro have debian-packagement?
May 23 16:23:04 <ogra_> right, xvfb doesnt need any graphics ... thats what we use on build machines if a package needs a running x server
May 23 16:23:16 <djszapi> mythos: yep
May 23 16:23:17 <ogra_> mythos, linaro is ubuntu just not supported
May 23 16:23:32 <ogra_> they provide monthly snapshots from the ubuntu archive
May 23 16:23:39 <mythos> ogra_, djszapi, ok
May 23 16:24:59 <djszapi> mythos: at least for me, that works :)
May 23 16:25:12 <mythos> djszapi, ok, i keep that in mind ;)
May 23 16:25:37 <GrueMaster> ogra_: Just an fyi, xvfb doesn't support 3D.  Might want to pass it along.
May 23 16:26:29 <ogra_> GrueMaster, heh, i took that as a given :)
May 23 16:26:42 <mythos> GrueMaster, not even with llvmpipe?
May 23 16:26:59 <GrueMaster> Yea, well I heard a nasty rumor that they are killing 2D support.
May 23 16:27:10 <GrueMaster> Not sure if llvmpipe works.
May 23 16:27:15 <ogra_> well, mesa should work at least
May 23 16:27:29 <ogra_> not that it might be fun to use though
May 23 16:27:35 <mythos> GrueMaster, they do, they do
May 23 16:27:37 <djszapi> mythos: llvmpipe might, but not sure that is a good idea
May 23 16:27:41 <ogra_> GrueMaster, right, 2D will be droped
May 23 16:27:56 <ogra_> but i thinnk thats post Q stuff
May 23 16:27:59 <GrueMaster> (I'm actually doing remote python Gui development on an amd64 system - not arm).
May 23 16:28:04 <mythos> djszapi, on an arm? sure that is a rocket
May 23 16:28:07 <ogra_> for quantal it will just not see new features
May 23 16:29:13 <djszapi> mythos: Llvmpipe even achieves better performance than the
May 23 16:29:14 <djszapi> GPU on some low end systems
May 23 16:29:37 <djszapi> "although with higher CPU usage and thus power consumption, but you probably already accepted those consequences when you chose a system without OpenGL acceleration)."
May 23 16:29:48 <djszapi> this was written to the qt development mailing list after the directx support question
May 23 16:31:28 <djszapi> mythos: FTR: http://releases.linaro.org/latest/ubuntu/leb-panda/
May 23 16:33:47 <mythos> djszapi, thanks ;)
May 23 16:34:05 <mythos> but i don't even have a panda-es at the moment
May 23 16:34:34 <mythos> i'm going to buy one today, so...
May 23 16:38:21 <jimerickson> ogra it doesn't boot. is there a daily image for omap4 somewhere i can't seem to find one.
May 23 16:38:51 <ogra_> jimerickson, not yet, we only stat 12.10 dailies in about two weeks
May 23 16:38:56 <ogra_> *start
May 23 16:39:34 <infinity> Hrm?
May 23 16:39:54 <infinity> Dailies are building now, though they seem to be failing on !ac100.
May 23 16:39:59 <ogra_> infinity, we dont ? i havent seen any successfull buiold yet
May 23 16:40:08 <jimerickson> ogra ok thank you.
May 23 16:40:22 <ogra_> and i thought we wanted to do the preinstalled->live switch before A1 anyway
May 23 16:40:43 <infinity> Er, I don't even see logs for ubuntu-omap* ... Did someone break things again? :/
May 23 16:40:49 * infinity looks.
May 23 16:40:53 <ogra_> i get mails every day
May 23 16:40:58 <ogra_> but empty ones
May 23 16:41:10 <ogra_> and i didnt bother to look yet before the live switch
May 23 16:41:29 <ogra_> since we will build differently anyway and run into new issues with that
May 23 16:42:17 <infinity> True.  Still, having them not building at all right now seems like an issue.
May 23 16:42:48 <ogra_> well, lets do the switch and then fix it, i dont really see a reason to waste work on preinstalled if they go away
May 23 16:42:59 <infinity> Oddly enough, kubuntu-omap4 is building.
May 23 16:43:09 <infinity> I wonder if maybe some machines just fell over when I wasn't looking.
May 23 16:43:29 <ogra_> i saw some debootstrap issues in some builds
May 23 16:43:33 <infinity> Friggin' shoestring and bubblegum.
May 23 16:43:43 <ogra_> "no such script"  for quantal
May 23 16:43:52 <ogra_> might be that they need chroot updates
May 23 16:44:02 <infinity> The chroots auto-update.
May 23 16:44:24 <ogra_> well, its one of the few mails that have content that show this error
May 23 16:44:56 <ogra_> i thought they auto-update, but for that particular case it seems they didnt
May 23 16:45:38 <infinity> I see no logs for quantal on araceae.buildd at all.
May 23 16:45:39 <jimerickson> ogra ok with a hardware reset and a full power cycle i got it to boot to a full desktop. i disabled the pvr driver before the reboot. very pleased!
May 23 16:45:59 <ogra_> jimerickson, awesome, thanks for the feedback !
May 23 16:46:53 <jimerickson> ogra no problem! we will see you around. i am back to lurking.
May 23 16:47:00 <ogra_> :)
May 23 16:47:15 <infinity> Odds are that no one set up the livefs chroots on the spare builders.  Meh.
May 23 16:47:19 <infinity> I'll look into that later.
May 23 16:47:44 <ogra_> infinity, but seriously, dont invest time to fix preinstalled, its not worth it
May 23 16:47:54 <ogra_> lets focus on live
May 23 16:48:38 <djszapi> are there pre-built images what linaro also provides ?
May 23 16:48:45 <ogra_> no
May 23 16:49:13 <ogra_> you have to use linaro-media-create or however that tool is called
May 23 16:49:21 <djszapi> I do not
May 23 16:49:28 <djszapi> they have ready made stuff
May 23 16:49:37 <djszapi> only thing needed: dd
May 23 16:49:37 <ogra_> lucky you then
May 23 16:49:45 <djszapi> see the link above
May 23 16:50:02 <infinity> ogra_: Eh?  Fixing the buildds is needed regardless of what we build on them.
May 23 16:50:12 <ogra_> infinity, sure
May 23 16:50:30 <ogra_> what i mean is that we should switch asap to vfat live
May 23 16:50:42 <ogra_> and ignore any preinstalled issues
May 23 16:51:16 <ogra_> i assume we will run into enough issues given we didnt use live on arm for years
May 23 16:53:23 <infinity> I'm more optimistic.
May 23 16:53:31 <ogra_> heh
May 23 16:53:46 <infinity> Given that d-i installs work, and live (apart from installing) is pretty arch-agnostic, it should mostly Just Work.
May 23 16:53:50 <ogra_> i expect a lot of casper issues (but am prepared to fix them)
May 23 16:53:52 <infinity> Except for the speed issue, which we can't fix.
May 23 16:54:14 <ogra_> (thats why i made it a WI :) )
May 23 17:01:42 <dash> infinity: rumor has it you know stuf about the mx53 board
May 23 17:01:55 <dash> infinity: are you familiar with setting vga resolution on it?
May 23 17:05:57 <djszapi> ogra_: how can I install the desktop image without hdmi device ?
May 23 17:06:06 <djszapi> and without proper cable ?
May 23 17:06:07 <ogra_> djszapi, you cant
May 23 17:06:18 <djszapi> that is for confirming.
May 23 17:06:30 <djszapi> thanks for*
May 23 17:16:26 <infinity> dash: It's been a while since I messed with it.  There are some obscure docs at Freescale that detail the kernel command line arguments for display output.
May 23 17:16:50 <dash> Yeah
May 23 17:17:15 <dash> I did what I thought they said, and got no luck. :)
May 23 17:19:12 <dash> setenv bootargs ro console=ttymxc0,115200n8 root=UUID=12460c31-1685-4cb8-a8d5-1cfe1d441b16 video=mxcdi1fb:RGB24,VGA-SXGA vga di1_primary
May 23 17:19:28 <dash> i still get 1024x768 same as before =/
May 23 17:28:46 <mythos> ok, i orderd one... but 20$ wire-transfer charge is a bit high, imho
May 23 17:29:03 <dash> shoulda used bitcoin
May 23 17:30:15 <mythos> there was no option for bitcoins
May 23 17:30:30 <mythos> ;)
May 23 17:42:46 <djszapi> ogra_: finally, I got the sound work even with the server preinstalled stuff
May 23 17:48:27 <djszapi> I mean alsa, I do not give anything about pulse really :)
May 23 17:58:23 <damian0815> djszapi: did you need to modprobe something by hand?
May 23 17:58:33 <djszapi> damian0815: nope
May 23 17:58:59 <damian0815> huh
May 23 17:59:00 <damian0815> ok
May 23 18:59:56 <djszapi> ogra_: ping
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