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Jun 11 09:26:45 <angs> I have some boards that runs debian and some of them runs ubuntu. How can I understand which one is ubuntu and which one is debian? uname -a shows "Linux omap 3.2.0-psp7 #1 Fri Apr 13 04:55:05 UTC 2012 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux"
Jun 11 09:27:26 <rbasak> angs: on Ubuntu, "lsb_release -a" will tell you. I don't know if there's a better way.
Jun 11 09:27:50 <angs> thanks a lot, it shows it is ubuntu:)
Jun 11 11:15:12 <djszapi> ogra_: hey
Jun 11 11:16:26 <djszapi> ogra_: gpio library is not available for Ubuntu arm ? :o
Jun 11 11:18:39 <djszapi> perhaps it is the sysfs that is advertised for usage nowadays.
Jun 11 13:13:04 <janimo> lilstevie, do you know if there are git trees of tf101 kernels with better history and changes rationale than what ASUS' tarballs provide?
Jun 11 13:13:27 <lilstevie> janimo, yes/no
Jun 11 13:13:50 <janimo> lilstevie, please expand on the yes branch :)
Jun 11 13:14:03 * janimo figures this is an interactive adventure
Jun 11 13:14:25 <lilstevie> janimo, we can match to where they most likely branched from nvidias tree
Jun 11 13:14:30 <lilstevie> with their history
Jun 11 13:14:48 <lilstevie> but asus themselves strip *ALL* history before releasing it
Jun 11 13:15:02 <janimo> lilstevie, that is what I was going to check, seeing only it is a 2.6.39.4
Jun 11 13:15:19 <janimo> but compared to upstream pristine linux-stable 2.6.39.4 there
Jun 11 13:15:23 <janimo> is a 15Mb patch :)
Jun 11 13:15:30 <lilstevie> yeah, well matches with nvidias android tree
Jun 11 13:15:39 <lilstevie> look at androids 2.6.39.4
Jun 11 13:15:43 <lilstevie> it is a pain though
Jun 11 13:15:47 <lilstevie> cause there are a few tags
Jun 11 13:16:43 <lilstevie> RaYmAn has a script which diffs each tag against the asus release and suggests the closest match
Jun 11 13:17:22 <lilstevie> we have done it to the tf201, tf101 is next on the list to be moved over to nvtegra
Jun 11 14:17:35 <janimo> lilstevie, by moved over to nvtegra and 'we' what do you mean? Kernels used by the mod community?
Jun 11 14:44:07 <lilstevie> androidroot team, me bumble-bee RaYmAn kmdm and IEF
Jun 11 14:44:20 <lilstevie> janimo, ^^
Jun 11 14:47:52 <janimo> lilstevie, ok
Jun 11 16:34:06 <xase_> I cant believe theres no tutorials for running ubuntu on nookcolor besides  that silly chroot nonsense.
Jun 11 16:39:39 <prpplague> hehe
Jun 11 17:20:04 <GrueMaster> xase_: I was going to work on that for Oneiric, but was swamped with the arm server bringup.  Sadly, I have since moved on to a differnt job (and subsequentially lost time/interest).  Sorry.
Jun 11 17:51:19 <xase_> GrueMaster: no problem do you have an archive of your work available?
Jun 11 17:53:00 <GrueMaster> No.  I didn't get too far into it.  I barely spent a week on it, mainly going through the Nook source and seeing what I needed to implement.
Jun 11 17:56:38 <xase_> damn
Jun 11 19:17:34 <janimo> marvin24, are you working more on nvec until it gets out of staging?
Jun 11 19:21:35 <marvin24_DT> janimo: yep
Jun 11 19:22:25 <janimo> marvin24, do you have the docs from nvidia?
Jun 11 19:22:30 <marvin24_DT> yes
Jun 11 19:22:35 <janimo> the README in the tree suggests there are no docs at all
Jun 11 19:22:51 <marvin24_DT> oh, that deserves a patch ;-)
Jun 11 19:23:13 <marvin24_DT> in fact, I "appeared" some month ago
Jun 11 19:23:24 <janimo> ok, just making sure you're not missing out :) I just discovered they're public last week, and downloaded them today
Jun 11 19:23:26 <marvin24_DT> together with the tegra2/3 documentation
Jun 11 19:23:35 <janimo> yes, Nov 11 from what I saw
Jun 11 19:23:44 <marvin24_DT> janimo: public?
Jun 11 19:23:47 <janimo> ah tegra3 as well? I thought that's still WIP
Jun 11 19:23:49 <marvin24_DT> you need to register first ...
Jun 11 19:24:13 <janimo> well, public with annoyance, but not private/NDA etc :)
Jun 11 19:24:51 <marvin24_DT> mmh, I think there is a NDA at least, but I didn't read it to the end
Jun 11 19:25:02 <janimo> marvin24, so this means the EC doc that was floating around of the chip used in the ac100 is not necessary, as you only need the tegra2 side/protocol
Jun 11 19:25:11 <janimo> ah did not read either :)
Jun 11 19:26:49 <marvin24_DT> mmh, I don't know of any EC doc floating around ... wait
Jun 11 19:27:50 <marvin24_DT> ah, found it
Jun 11 19:31:32 <marvin24_DT> of course, for this has no NDA ;-)
Jun 11 19:31:43 <marvin24_DT> normally, you would have to register here http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra-2-technical-reference-manual
Jun 11 19:42:07 <janimo> yes, I registered and downloaded this and the TRM today
Jun 11 19:42:23 <janimo> there was an EC doc for an embedded keyboard controller in the ac100 last year
Jun 11 19:42:42 <janimo> which I was told was the only doc that helped the nvec initial development
Jun 11 19:42:58 <marvin24_DT> maybe that was the original source
Jun 11 19:43:05 <marvin24_DT> it had some documentation inside
Jun 11 19:46:10 <marvin24_DT> janimo: can you try to get linux-backports-modules-cw-3.3-precise-generic building on ARM ?
Jun 11 19:46:26 <janimo> is that a package?
Jun 11 19:46:38 <marvin24_DT> eh, no, the binary
Jun 11 19:46:40 <marvin24_DT> wait ...
Jun 11 19:46:54 <janimo> found it
Jun 11 19:47:29 <janimo> but it's for the 3.2.0 precise kernel
Jun 11 19:47:30 <marvin24_DT> linux-meta is the source :-(
Jun 11 19:47:42 <marvin24_DT> should be buildable on any kernel
Jun 11 19:47:51 <janimo> not even amd64 is enabled
Jun 11 19:48:20 <marvin24_DT> I have it here on my amd64 ...
Jun 11 19:48:36 <marvin24_DT> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/linux-backports-modules-cw-3.3-precise-generic
Jun 11 19:48:39 <janimo> ok, so Architecture: is misleading
Jun 11 19:49:01 <janimo> linux-backports-modules-3.2.0 the package
Jun 11 19:49:49 <janimo> marvin24, which drivers are needed on arm?
Jun 11 19:50:26 <marvin24_DT> I don't know, but paz00 needs rt2xx
Jun 11 19:50:44 <marvin24_DT> I think they can also be useful for panda whatever
Jun 11 19:52:03 <marvin24_DT> the package contains all wifi drivers
Jun 11 19:54:12 <marvin24_DT> btw, I still can only get a 3.1 kernel booting with "console=ttyS0,115200n8 quiet" enabled
Jun 11 19:54:24 <marvin24_DT> this ensures nothing it printed to the console on boot
Jun 11 19:55:46 <janimo> so not yet ready for uploading I guess? Any chance of newer kernels being better?
Jun 11 19:55:57 <janimo> how much of what's working now is not yet ported to 3.5?
Jun 11 20:13:01 <marvin24_DT> everything gpu and power save related is missing
Jun 11 20:13:18 <marvin24_DT> (which is too important to be skipped)
Jun 11 20:13:46 <janimo> marvin24, are the changes in 3.5 too big so that code need significant rewrite?
Jun 11 20:14:08 <janimo> I see nvidia devs steadily sending patches upstream
Jun 11 20:14:23 <marvin24_DT> yeah, still unportable I think
Jun 11 20:14:45 <marvin24_DT> there are lots of nv engineers already working on it
Jun 11 20:14:53 <marvin24_DT> but it takes time
Jun 11 20:15:10 <marvin24_DT> somehow nv decided to rewrite everything at least three times
Jun 11 20:15:49 <marvin24_DT> this is the price you have to pay to get a product quickly to market
Jun 11 20:16:02 <marvin24_DT> you just cannot do it in a sane way
Jun 11 20:16:27 <marvin24_DT> and mainlining is only low priority compared to that
Jun 11 20:17:19 <marvin24_DT> I don't want to know how many developers worked on porting win8 to tegra3
Jun 11 20:18:36 <marvin24_DT> and even less I want to see that code
Jun 11 20:18:44 <janimo> :)
Jun 11 20:19:13 <janimo> in that case they may not rewrite at all as there's no mainlining required ever, and win8 will be around for many years
Jun 11 20:19:36 <janimo> maybe it's only the FOSS model that gives grief to developers. Or at least this type of grief
Jun 11 20:21:14 <marvin24_DT> I would be interested in some kind of statistics how much developer month it takes to port some arch to linux and windows
Jun 11 20:21:36 <marvin24_DT> and how much time it consumes to maintain it
Jun 11 20:21:52 <marvin24_DT> during product lifetime
Jun 11 23:31:40 <lilstevie> marvin24, tbh because of UEFI, it would be more the UEFI code that you would want to see less :p
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