**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 24 02:59:58 2012 Jul 24 10:23:14 lool, pingaling Jul 24 10:27:47 lool, any idea about bug 1026780 would be appreciated Jul 24 10:27:49 Launchpad bug 1026780 in flash-kernel "3.0~rc.4ubuntu4 doesn't honor bootargs from /boot/boot.script anymore" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026780 Jul 24 10:29:10 * ogra_ curses, I/O error on an omap3 desktop install ... Jul 24 10:29:19 (with a brandnew SD and USB key) Jul 24 10:31:44 gar ! Jul 24 10:32:01 ppisati, squashfs errors all over the place with my beagle revA Jul 24 10:32:06 (XM) Jul 24 10:32:22 * ogra_ hasnt seen them in a while Jul 24 10:40:14 cool Jul 24 10:40:18 ppisati, hmm, i wonder if bug 746137 might be at fault here (we dont have the mechanism anymore to apply that sysctl.d file in quantal) Jul 24 10:40:19 so my rev a is not broken Jul 24 10:40:20 Launchpad bug 746137 in jasper-initramfs "Page allocation failure on Pandaboard and Beagle XM" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746137 Jul 24 10:40:33 LOL !!! Jul 24 10:40:34 do you remember my email to you and ming's? Jul 24 10:40:53 vm.min_free_kbytes = 8192 ... Jul 24 10:41:00 thats the workaround Jul 24 10:41:45 that was a sysctl Jul 24 10:41:50 did we drop it in live? Jul 24 10:42:04 btw, i'm out for lunch shortly Jul 24 10:42:20 we dont have the hackish jasper stuff anymore Jul 24 10:42:54 well, it's a sysctl Jul 24 10:43:01 and no replacement mechanism that could apply that hack on a subarch specific basis Jul 24 10:43:22 well, i guess it's too late to work on it now for alpha3 Jul 24 10:43:53 omap3 wont be there for A3 ( skaetr decision it seems) Jul 24 10:43:56 *skaet Jul 24 10:44:24 so something to look at for post milestone work Jul 24 10:45:22 besides you, who has a beagle? Jul 24 10:46:07 there are lots in the DC we should share out ... apart from that ... we could only randomly ping here or in #beagle or blog about testing images Jul 24 10:46:31 not sure, infinity might have one too ... Jul 24 10:46:37 probably no XM though Jul 24 10:47:26 ogra_: Commented in the bug itself, I think you had already found the root cause though Jul 24 10:47:57 lool, right, my prob is that even if the user changes the scripts, padckage upgrades will overwrite the changes Jul 24 10:48:07 * ogra_ reads the comment Jul 24 10:49:24 I don't think flash-kernel generates the boot script anymore; any generated stuff should be temporary files and removed at the end of the run Jul 24 10:49:39 then it installs boot.scr into the firmware partition Jul 24 10:50:29 well, there is definitely a mkimage_script() function Jul 24 10:51:06 called for the generic type Jul 24 10:53:25 seems it updates on every run actually Jul 24 10:59:15 ogra_: the oom bug can be fixed by replacing the GFP_ATOMIC by GFP_KERNEL in the relevant kmallocs Jul 24 10:59:36 this worked for our rt2x00 wifi driver Jul 24 10:59:48 and may work for other usb devices as well Jul 24 11:01:34 mainline commit: 8821102 rt2x00: Use GFP_KERNEL for rx buffer allocation on USB devices Jul 24 11:09:31 ogra_: mkimage_script just takes a script text file and makes an u-boot image out of it, but it's reading the boot script text from BOOTSCRIPTS_DIR and generating boot.scr in $tmpdir Jul 24 11:31:46 lool, right, so it updates on every flash-kernel run Jul 24 11:32:02 i.e. boot.scr is always regenerated Jul 24 11:32:30 ppisati, see marvin24's comment above Jul 24 11:53:04 infinity, thanks for volunteering me to fix issues around mono over a month ago on the cross-arm ml and not telling me. Any more of this and you won't be my second favourite canadian Jul 24 11:53:22 * janimo must admit he stopped following that list shortly after it started Jul 24 12:34:22 ogra_: to me it looks like a different problem Jul 24 12:34:38 ogra_: we experience squashfs problems Jul 24 12:34:47 ogra_: i mean, corruption Jul 24 12:34:57 i don't know if the two are related Jul 24 12:35:07 the smsc driver issue eats all your ram Jul 24 12:39:18 so i think it is very very likely that it causes the squashfs issues Jul 24 12:39:43 easy to test though, i will try once i have time for omap3 again Jul 24 12:43:32 let me cut&paste what i found back then Jul 24 12:45:47 ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1108129/ Jul 24 12:45:52 marvin24: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1108129/ Jul 24 12:46:10 what i saw was the same squashfs/memory corruption you found now Jul 24 12:46:20 but only on the rev a Jul 24 12:46:27 on the rev c everything is fine Jul 24 12:46:39 i probably already thrashed the system i used back then Jul 24 12:46:43 but i can recreate it Jul 24 12:46:44 anyway Jul 24 12:46:58 well, the different revs use different types of RAM Jul 24 12:47:06 problem with memory allocation in a nic driver != squashfs corruption Jul 24 12:47:09 could be Jul 24 12:47:13 is so :) Jul 24 12:47:25 that's why i would like someone with a rev c do repeat my test Jul 24 12:47:35 and the turbo mode of the smsc chip will eat all your ram Jul 24 12:47:44 until it falls over with an oops Jul 24 12:48:03 ok, but here is different Jul 24 12:48:11 my transfer of files over the net was ok Jul 24 12:48:19 but md5 locally was screwed Jul 24 12:48:35 i could mount the squashfs on rev c Jul 24 12:48:36 its super trivial to echo the proper value into the sysfs and test :) i'm just busy fixing omap4 for A3 atm Jul 24 12:48:38 but NOT on rev a Jul 24 12:48:40 etcetc Jul 24 12:49:16 (or to force a proper module option to enforce turbo mode off) Jul 24 14:34:16 infinity, FYI I am not sure how easy it usually is to bring up a full desktop from ubuntu-core chroot, but for me it failed both today and last time you first mentioned it Jul 24 14:34:48 maybe it's due to quantal xubuntu/lubuntu not being installable? It failed in dbus and other coreish packages Jul 24 14:35:14 oh well, I hear rsalveti will make linaro rootfs tarballs of quantal and then I won't have to worry much about it :) Jul 24 14:35:45 janimo, ubuntu-core is just deboiotstrap+apt Jul 24 14:36:00 if that wouldnt work, no images would work at all Jul 24 14:36:14 ogra_, yes, I know. Too bad it's not always straightforward to apt-get install a desktop from that Jul 24 14:36:26 indeed that's what I find frustrating and confusing as well Jul 24 14:36:42 http://omappedia.org/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Core is a pretty good read Jul 24 14:36:42 and hence I want tarballs :) Jul 24 14:37:15 sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should definitely work, else we would notice in all other builds Jul 24 14:38:09 ogra_, I guess the steps of bind mounting /proc & co in the chroot are not that unimportant Jul 24 14:38:14 i dont think anyone checked xubuntu or lubuntu on arm Jul 24 14:38:18 that I did not do, even though there were warnings Jul 24 14:38:28 bind mounting /proc ? Jul 24 14:38:35 I used the chroot method qith qemu-arm-static Jul 24 14:38:47 making an armhf rootfs on x86 is my goal Jul 24 14:39:01 right, no bind mounting for proc or sysfs needed Jul 24 14:39:04 bottom of the page you linked to Jul 24 14:39:09 you need to bind mount /dev though Jul 24 14:39:13 for m in `echo 'sys dev proc'`; do sudo mount /$m ./$m -o bind; done Jul 24 14:39:19 on that page Jul 24 14:39:22 right Jul 24 14:39:36 well, it wouldnt fail for sure, but i would do it differently :) Jul 24 14:40:08 yeah, TMTOWTDI is what annoys me with these things, as opposed to one simple command :) Jul 24 14:40:15 you *definitely* *always* need mounted /proc and sysfs ... Jul 24 14:40:21 if you work in a chroot Jul 24 14:40:42 dev only for cretain things like update-initrtamfs Jul 24 14:40:47 *certain Jul 24 14:41:05 that is what I usually did when doing images, but now I just copy pasted whatever infinity said on the assumtion that He Knows What He's Talking About (TM) Jul 24 14:41:07 your dbus errors are very likely due to missing /proc Jul 24 14:41:23 well dbus fails to init in the postinst hook Jul 24 14:41:27 ok, let's try again Jul 24 14:41:31 he should just have pointed you to the panda page Jul 24 14:41:55 what was the problem with rootstock again? Jul 24 14:42:09 i was actually planning to copy over bits from there to the ubuntu wikipage ... biut then i changed teams and now its just sitting at the bottom of my TODO Jul 24 14:42:14 basically I need something like that but very simple, something that linaro-media-create coudl consume Jul 24 14:42:26 janimo, that we dropped support for it :) Jul 24 14:42:35 janimo, but your boss took over, ask him ;) Jul 24 14:42:42 make-ubuntu-rootfs quantal armhf --extras=ubuntu-desktop, xmoto Jul 24 14:42:44 done Jul 24 14:43:00 yeah, rootstock at its best :) Jul 24 14:43:05 ogra_, I know , Chris pinged me with a config he uses with live-build Jul 24 14:43:19 still why there is no simple tool for such a common task is beyond me Jul 24 14:45:58 janimo, well, there is again... now that rootstock was revived Jul 24 14:58:19 jcrigby: I'm looking at bug 927781 now, and do you know why we didn't reviewed/applied the patch described at the bug? Jul 24 14:58:20 Launchpad bug 927781 in u-boot-linaro "PXELINUX implementation doesn't respect dhcp ConfigFile or PathPrefix values" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/927781 Jul 24 14:58:43 might still be useful for Daviey I guess Jul 24 14:59:01 Daviey: jcrigby also applied a few PXE patches on the latest u-boot-linaro: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=boot/u-boot-linaro-stable.git;a=summary Jul 24 14:59:22 don't know how useful they can be for you at this point, but jcrigby should be updating the package at quantal soon as well Jul 24 14:59:29 rsalveti: ooo, will check that out in a bit.. thanks!! Jul 24 14:59:58 rsalveti: do you know if local boot will appear ? :) Jul 24 15:01:49 Daviey: what you mean exactly? Jul 24 15:06:49 rsalveti: PXELINUX config that says.. boot from local disk. Jul 24 15:06:55 rsalveti: sorry, OTP right now Jul 24 15:07:09 Daviey: I think so Jul 24 15:07:34 rsalveti: I appreciate there is complexity there Jul 24 15:07:56 pfft, rsalveti eats complexity for breakfast Jul 24 15:08:02 :P Jul 24 15:08:13 /nick complexity Jul 24 15:08:43 rsalveti, btw, A3 is on thu. any news about the PVR driver ? Jul 24 15:08:49 (else i need to release note it) Jul 24 15:08:58 ogra_: one thing we'd like to check as well, at least with panda, is that if we can enable booting the kernel from zimage and from the usb disk Jul 24 15:09:23 booting the kernel from zimage ? Jul 24 15:09:27 you mean kexec ? Jul 24 15:09:34 instead of uImage from first SD partition Jul 24 15:09:38 ah ! Jul 24 15:09:55 so we could from u-boot, look at the zimage file at the usb disk, and load that instead Jul 24 15:10:46 ogra_: for pvr it'd be good to get it after A3, it's not in a good shape still, and we'd need to update the xorg driver, pvr driver and probably xorg-server as well Jul 24 15:11:10 but I believe we'll have to go with the current version anyway, at least to have something Jul 24 15:11:10 and ppisati works on a new kernel too that might need adjust ments Jul 24 15:11:20 from past experience, waiting a new driver from TI can take ages :-) Jul 24 15:11:36 TI/SGX :-) Jul 24 15:11:45 no prob, i can release note it ... its just that its properly integrated into ubuntu-drivers-common now and everyone will get it offered right after install Jul 24 15:11:52 ogra_: yeah, what reminds me I need to sync with him about the 3.5 kernel Jul 24 15:11:59 ++ Jul 24 15:12:00 rsalveti, re the pxe magic patch. I think I lost track of that bug sometime ago. No reason. Jul 24 15:12:29 Daviey: is bug 927781 still relevant for you? Jul 24 15:12:31 Launchpad bug 927781 in u-boot-linaro "PXELINUX implementation doesn't respect dhcp ConfigFile or PathPrefix values" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/927781 Jul 24 15:12:53 ppisati: ping Jul 24 15:13:07 rsalveti, i think there was another similar bug from rbasak btw Jul 24 15:13:50 rsalveti: pong Jul 24 15:14:11 and indeed i cant find it :/ Jul 24 15:14:21 ppisati: I'm curious about how you might be maintaining the kernel for omap4 now Jul 24 15:14:27 are you planning on switching to 3.5? Jul 24 15:14:30 rsalveti: yes Jul 24 15:14:41 rsalveti: wait Jul 24 15:14:56 ppisati: are you tracking and doing the forward-porting by yourself? Jul 24 15:15:01 rsalveti: yes Jul 24 15:15:15 rsalveti: so far i ported around ~500 patches Jul 24 15:15:19 rsalveti: of 1700 Jul 24 15:15:24 so i'm still in the middle of it Jul 24 15:16:04 oh Jul 24 15:16:19 would probably be a sane idea to sync with andy green as well Jul 24 15:16:19 wow, is it really that many ? Jul 24 15:16:24 rsalveti: I'm not sure.. can i get back to you? Jul 24 15:16:27 (OTP) Jul 24 15:16:39 as he'd probably be doing the same quite soon Jul 24 15:16:44 * ogra_ thoguht there were only powermgmt and framebuffer issues Jul 24 15:16:58 Daviey: lazy bastard, need to learn how to multitask ;P Jul 24 15:17:02 Daviey: but yeah, sure :-) Jul 24 15:17:07 i'm surprised that results in 1700 patches Jul 24 15:17:28 that's just... *huge* Jul 24 15:17:33 yep Jul 24 15:18:29 jcrigby: would be nice to review the current open bugs for u-boot-linaro Jul 24 15:18:38 we could probably have a few other interesting ones Jul 24 15:18:49 and probaly a few that are already fixed as well Jul 24 15:18:58 rsalveti: TI told me they will skip 3.5 entirely Jul 24 15:19:03 ogra_: another thing we need to change is to start using uEnv.txt instead of boot.scr Jul 24 15:19:08 ogra_: i tried cherry-picking some stuff Jul 24 15:19:15 ogra_: but it was impossible in the end Jul 24 15:19:19 ogra_: the more i advanced Jul 24 15:19:25 ouch Jul 24 15:19:26 ppisati: hm, then why we're forwardporting to 3.5? Jul 24 15:19:36 ogra_: the more new patches relied on some that didn't were suppoed to be there Jul 24 15:19:39 ogra_: etcetc Jul 24 15:19:41 so it can be maintained by the kernel team as well? Jul 24 15:19:48 rsalveti: because our master is 3.5 Jul 24 15:20:01 rsalveti: and we want it to be a rebased topic branch Jul 24 15:20:07 rsalveti: as we did since natty Jul 24 15:20:12 oh god, I see a lot of pain there Jul 24 15:20:13 rsalveti, yeah, i feared the switch to uEnv.txt Jul 24 15:20:37 especially since we would have to hack up flash-kernel a lot again Jul 24 15:21:00 anyway, i'll shot andy an email to tell him that i'm doing it Jul 24 15:21:03 btw, so far so good Jul 24 15:21:09 boards boot, etcetc Jul 24 15:21:13 so many kittens... Jul 24 15:21:35 ppisati: cool, yeah, please always keep him in the loop Jul 24 15:21:36 (i'm still working on the flash-kernel 3.0 fallout in many areas, even though we switched before A1) Jul 24 15:21:51 as I know he's crazy sometimes and also work heavily on forward-porting stuff Jul 24 15:21:54 "everytime you use something different from traceroute, Van Jacobson kills a kitten" Jul 24 15:22:06 today's facebook status :) Jul 24 15:22:21 pfft, ubuntu hasnt used it in years :) Jul 24 15:22:30 dont be reluctatnt to progess ! Jul 24 15:30:52 janimo: Oh, I "volunteered" you as a possible person for mono issues and then got distracted by other things and forgot to talk to you about it, apparently. Jul 24 15:31:27 janimo: Would you be interested in making the hardfloat port actually work, instead of being the icky softfloat-on-hard thing that it currently is? Jul 24 15:32:08 infinity, I was pinged by directhex today and started looking at it Jul 24 15:32:48 not sure how much work it is or whether I'll be able to do it but I am setting up the build tree, writing my first C# hello world, etc Jul 24 15:33:27 I have a simple app calling floor() from libm which misbehaves as the minimal testcase now Jul 24 15:44:53 janimo: Well, there's already "hard float" support in the upstream code, sort of, in bits. But turning it on doesn't work. :P Jul 24 15:45:12 janimo: And, of course, the current build doesn't work for other reasons (ie: can't link to C libraries usefully). Jul 24 15:50:51 * ogra_ sighs ... Jul 24 15:51:16 i find the fact that my install tests now take 1.5h vs 10min pretty annoying Jul 24 15:51:32 but i guess i cant have everything Jul 24 15:53:04 ogra_: Yeah, but on the bright side, fewer images to test. :P Jul 24 15:53:51 well, testing 3 desktop images simultaneously i was done in 10min in the past :) Jul 24 15:54:20 now the only fast one is ac100 Jul 24 15:55:52 gar and omap4 doesnt init the display again :( Jul 24 15:56:03 infinity, ah so the situation with mono is different than what I was presented :) Jul 24 15:56:19 janimo: What were you presented with? Jul 24 15:56:27 as in, no hard float abi at all, everything else works :) Jul 24 15:56:57 janimo: Well, that's sort of true. But only because we're not enabling the HF ABI bits, because that appears to work even less. Jul 24 15:57:05 which would have been just a matter of writing new code - not necessarily easy but also not mono style wild goose chase Jul 24 15:57:38 I thought the work needed is fairly well localized in the tree Jul 24 15:57:58 It might be. I'm not sure. :P Jul 24 15:58:05 so our current build does not work on armhf either because it cannot link to C libs? Jul 24 15:58:21 My goal was just to make it build enough to unblock all the dep-waits, and then I ran out of time to care about it working properly. Jul 24 15:58:44 janimo: No, it "works". Well, it also "links". What I meant was that it can't correctly call into them, because, well, it's not HF. Jul 24 15:58:53 janimo: So, any float calls explode, obviously. Jul 24 15:59:35 infinity, ah ok, so just the FFI is broken then as expected. phew :) Jul 24 15:59:42 janimo: It works just enough to be used as a build-dep to make the rest of the archive build, it works for pure mono code (but it's not HF), it breaks for linking to other languages in a floaty fashion. Jul 24 16:00:16 janimo: Working towards making the p/invoke tests pass would probably be enough to say "hey, it works". Jul 24 16:00:46 wow, omap4 display wasnt broken, its just that plymouth bug and that casper takes over 10min to boot Jul 24 16:01:00 alright then. I'll be on it this week along with other tasks, see if I can understand the issues enough that there is a chance they don't get cut off from wheezy - the reason I got pinged today Jul 24 16:01:04 so i sit in front of a black screen for 10min Jul 24 16:01:23 I saw the general call to action in february but I hoped people who actually care about mono will solve it, upstream included Jul 24 16:01:23 * ogra_ really expects a lot of complaints from the community about the switch to live images Jul 24 16:01:33 they didnt get even remotely faster Jul 24 16:02:28 ogra_, I would take them even if they were slightlu slower just for the amount of maintenance work being cut Jul 24 16:02:43 ogra_: Live images woudn't be faster, they only allow an easier way to install on faster media. Jul 24 16:02:47 then any optimization in live will translate here too Jul 24 16:02:59 janimo, well, its adds 1h20min tzo the install process Jul 24 16:03:07 also, easier wa to install is something that should be synonimous with ubuntu Jul 24 16:03:15 ogra_: Slow install that leads to faster runtime doesn't hurt my feelings any. Jul 24 16:03:16 the current preinstalled are all but easy Jul 24 16:03:30 ogra_: You forget that most people install once or twice, not over and over again like you. :P Jul 24 16:03:32 the copying step takes about 1h ... booting alone takes over 10min thanks to casper etc Jul 24 16:03:50 infinity, agreed ansd i dont want to go back Jul 24 16:04:01 but we will definitely get complaints Jul 24 16:04:12 Yep, we will. Jul 24 16:04:15 But we always do. Jul 24 16:04:23 heh, true Jul 24 16:04:24 Our community is small but remakably vocal. :P Jul 24 16:04:28 remarkably, too. Jul 24 16:04:29 ++ Jul 24 16:04:33 Oh, if only you had someone dedicated to testing these images. Jul 24 16:04:47 GrueMaster: Then you'd be the one complaining. ;) Jul 24 16:04:57 Well...yea! Jul 24 16:05:34 But at least my bitchiness can be mellowed with beer. Jul 24 16:05:35 GrueMaster, we will ... i'm in boston next week to take care for that Jul 24 16:05:42 at least for the automated side Jul 24 16:05:54 s/automated/automatable/ Jul 24 16:06:08 Good luck with that. Jul 24 16:07:05 Server side should be 100% automatable. I had a start on some good ideas & started laying the groundwork, but was cut short. Jul 24 16:07:30 Not sure how you would automate the desktop stuff. Jul 24 16:07:34 GrueMaster, arm images are built identically to x86 now ... the only bit i have to solve is the booting Jul 24 16:07:48 (thats for server as well as desktop) Jul 24 16:08:13 That part is easy. Use usb boot to boot a custom kernel/initrd that pulls an image from the network and flashes the SD. Jul 24 16:08:24 Yeah, they already do that. Jul 24 16:09:00 So the hard part is automating the desktop install. On x86 it is done through libvirt. Jul 24 16:15:03 * janimo is looking forward to the ac100 live installer :) Jul 24 16:15:18 janimo, that wont happen Jul 24 16:15:51 uness you want to do it (and write a ton of partman reciepes to actually make it work) Jul 24 16:15:59 so all that nice talk above and turns out you are still evil Jul 24 16:16:12 lol Jul 24 16:16:20 i'm just lazy Jul 24 16:16:28 better than evil for sure :) Jul 24 16:16:44 no, seriosly, before adding a live image for ac100 i would rather create a minimal server one for it :) Jul 24 16:16:56 so that people dont have to remove unity :) Jul 24 16:17:07 which apparently every second seems to do Jul 24 16:17:20 I'd rather brick all the ac100s, pretend Tegra2 never happened, and will a new ARM netbook into existence. Jul 24 16:17:44 ogra_, why not make the default image xubuntu then or something Jul 24 16:18:01 infinity, so bribe KEybuk that his team finally releases something arm based ;) Jul 24 16:18:23 infinity, the omap3 sucks more than tegra2 :) Jul 24 16:18:26 janimo, because i dont want to invest more time than it takes to keep tehm installable Jul 24 16:18:46 janimo: omap3 has neon, at least. tegra2 is the source of so many headaches. Jul 24 16:18:49 as a product, not as something to deal with internally Jul 24 16:19:09 janimo: If it wasn't for tegra2, I could just say "armv7 == neon" (as so many upstreams mistakenly do), and carry on. Jul 24 16:19:24 I thought marvell too had some neon-less armv7? Jul 24 16:19:34 Not any that we care about, if they do. Jul 24 16:19:41 but agreed, stupid thing from nvidia to hope their GPU is a good enough neon replacement Jul 24 16:20:00 Tegra3 is, by all accounts, quite lovely. Jul 24 16:20:09 I'm kinda hoping the Trimslice guys upgrade. Jul 24 16:20:17 I'd even consider buying a T3 trimslice. Jul 24 16:20:23 Marvell, possibly Calxeda. Not sure about the Samsung SOC. Jul 24 16:20:59 infinity, I'd settle for a tegra3 tablet where they max out the RAM Jul 24 16:58:39 come on pandaboard, pedal faster ... Jul 24 16:59:01 * ogra_ is still in the same install ... Jul 24 16:59:10 and its still removing packages ... Jul 24 17:16:03 Hence why I had 7 pandas running tests. :) Jul 24 17:19:22 I wish there was a way to attach a few SATA interfaces to my panda... Jul 24 17:19:42 RoyK: USB-Sata? Jul 24 17:19:56 aka slow-as-hell-disk-io Jul 24 17:20:08 Not true sata for sure. Jul 24 17:20:10 so I'm using a good-old pc mobo for this :) Jul 24 17:20:22 RoyK come on, at least you can create users with the gui now after your bug from precise was finally fixed :) Jul 24 17:20:35 yeah - saw it Jul 24 17:20:35 But a SSD in a usb case is decently quick. Jul 24 17:20:39 haven't test yet, though Jul 24 17:21:20 GrueMaster: SSD on USB is like a ferrari with tractor wheels Jul 24 17:22:00 Heh. Jul 24 17:26:12 except i'd pay good money for a ferrari with tractor wheels Jul 24 17:27:12 just to pay more money to get proper tires ? Jul 24 17:28:14 ogra_: If you have to ask why, this isn't for you. :P Jul 24 17:28:23 heh Jul 24 17:31:41 say, an Intel 520 SSD connected on USB2 - whoooaahhrghghhzz! Jul 24 17:38:42 RoyK: you can do sata via the GPMC, but it takes some work Jul 24 17:44:33 RoyK, you mean usb3 :P Jul 24 17:45:04 scientes: afaik the samba doesn't have usb3 Jul 24 17:45:07 erm Jul 24 17:45:08 panda Jul 24 17:46:22 prpplague: if that's the same thing as running the SD card, it's limited to about 32MB/s, which isn't very amusing Jul 24 17:46:49 it really just needs sata Jul 24 17:47:04 but then again - not an issue - I thought I could use a panda for a homeserver, but found I couldn't, so I use a fat pc instead :D Jul 24 17:48:30 RoyK, i use a sheeveplug w/ sd, but a hard driver with sata would be nicee Jul 24 17:49:14 RoyK: no, i get about about 120MByte/s transfers Jul 24 17:57:07 prpplague: hm... good :) But I guess my RAID-6 on seven drives may live better on a fat box ;) Jul 24 17:58:16 RoyK: indeed, but your commend was to attach a few sata to the panda Jul 24 17:59:38 yep - and that was the original question - then I found I needed more space and ... Jul 24 18:27:37 I have a beagleboard C3. I have successfully installed Ubuntu-arm on it with Xfce desktop envorinment. I have been using it with a dvi monitor. Now I wanted to switch to svideo. I have edited uenv.txt in boot partition. I have set the display as tv and mode as 640x480@60. Unfortunately, I can not see the desktop with my display. Jul 24 18:27:47 I can see the kernel booting up phase Jul 24 18:28:06 But not the desktop, any ideas on how to find a cure for the case? Jul 24 18:30:32 I can see lightdm is running under the list of top Jul 24 18:38:26 I have trid to sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm but no chance :( Jul 24 18:39:56 I have manually stopped and restarted lightdm through rs232 link but still no luck :( Jul 24 18:40:59 I am using ubuntu 12.04 by the way. Jul 24 18:41:21 Kernel 32.13 Jul 24 18:41:24 Kernel 3çü2.13 Jul 24 18:41:27 Kernel 3.2.13 Jul 24 18:45:17 There is a xorg.conf file under boot partition table. I have deleted it so that xorg should reconfigure itself. But still the same :( Jul 24 18:47:51 kunguz: "kernel 3.2.13"? So, not an Ubuntu kernel? Jul 24 18:50:33 infinity: that's what I end up when I type in uname -a Jul 24 18:50:50 kunguz: Right, which means it's not an Ubuntu kernel. Jul 24 18:50:51 infinity: I did all the updates with sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade Jul 24 18:51:14 If you got that image from anywhere other than ubuntu.com, you might want to talk to the people who made it. Jul 24 18:51:17 Perhaps in #beagle Jul 24 18:51:31 Linux omap 3.2.13-x7 is the beginnig line what uname returns Jul 24 18:51:46 Yes, see above. Jul 24 18:51:58 (Where did you download the image from?) Jul 24 18:52:12 infinity: this is where I found the image: http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/precise/ubuntu-12.04-r4-minimal-armhf-2012-07-16.tar.xz Jul 24 18:52:58 infinity: so I need some image without a desktop env. Jul 24 18:53:05 infinity: any suggestions? Jul 24 18:53:51 infinity: I do not want to run gnome on a 256 mb ram device :D Jul 24 18:53:55 kunguz: The server image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ Jul 24 18:54:14 kunguz: Not that I'm saying that the Ubuntu kernel would treat you any better than rcn-ee's, but at least I know how it works. :P Jul 24 18:54:35 kunguz: But you could also talk to the folks in #beagle (rcn-ee hangs out there too) about rcn-ee's image. Either way. Jul 24 18:54:45 Our kernel comes with security updates and such, though. Jul 24 18:54:51 infinity: thanks, I will try my chances over there Jul 24 18:57:49 kunguz, that is out of date too for mainline 3.2, the current 3.2 stable release is 3.2.23 Jul 24 18:58:16 which is the base of the ubuntu 3.2 kernel (they just fake the version numbers in a confusing way) Jul 24 18:58:33 scientes: I have all the repository in my update list. When I give sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade, it should upgrade itself, right? Jul 24 18:58:56 No, cause you don't have any Ubuntu kernel packages installed. Jul 24 18:59:10 infinity: and the way to install them is? Jul 24 18:59:34 You could try installing linux-omap, but rcn's kernel being a higher version, flash-kernel will be a bit confused, unless you move his out of the way. Jul 24 19:00:09 infinity: sudo apt-get install linux-omap? Jul 24 19:00:59 kunguz: Yeah. But, read above. May not do what you think it should because of the "newer" kernel already there. Jul 24 19:01:42 infinity: I am giving it a try to see if anything goes better :) Jul 24 19:06:35 there was a loss of internet connection, now I am back. I hope I did not miss any suggestions Jul 24 19:08:49 Ok, now my beagleboard C3 is installing linux-omap. It will take a while Jul 24 19:09:14 it is great that beagleboard provides usb-otg connection so that I can share my internet with the beagleboard. Jul 24 19:15:05 Now I am rebooting my beagleboard Jul 24 19:17:20 although I installed the new kernel, it appears that it boots to old kernel Jul 24 19:18:03 how do I make it boot into the new kernel? Jul 24 19:20:47 there is no grub :) so I guess I have to change something in uEnv.txt? Jul 24 19:22:00 any directions might help :( Jul 24 19:24:09 Guys, I really need help. Can anyone at least comment? Jul 24 19:28:06 how do the location of the kernel image? so that I can boot using something like bootm 0x80300000 Jul 24 19:29:25 kunguz: Like I said, flash-kernel would have done the right thing if the other (newer-versioned) kernel weren't there in /boot. Jul 24 19:29:36 Well, this is assuming that in all other respects, that's a "normal" Ubuntu image. Jul 24 19:29:45 And I really can't say, cause I don't use rcn-ee's images. Jul 24 19:30:43 infinity: thanks anyway Jul 24 19:34:24 infinity: I am going to reinstall ubuntu with a server-image. Jul 24 19:35:05 infinity: preinstalled-server image is without a desktop and it is light compared to the ones with desktop? Jul 24 19:36:14 kunguz: Yeah. Ignore the size of the image itself, that's mostly just a package pool on the image, the actual software installed is very minimal. Jul 24 19:40:22 600 mb is quite large, I hope this solves my problem. Jul 24 19:41:21 if you need to trip space after install you ran remove /usr/share/doc/* Jul 24 21:47:30 desktop is broken with last update. login screen is all i get. Jul 24 21:47:42 hi ppl Jul 24 21:47:47 anybody here with a galaxy tab 2? Jul 24 21:55:35 pandaboard ES (omap4) Jul 25 01:58:24 the installer fails miserably on omap4. Jul 25 02:11:25 jimerickson: That wasn't much information. Jul 25 02:11:32 jimerickson: Which installer, which release, fails how. Jul 25 02:18:53 the 24 july image on omap4 armhf (pandaboard ES) ubi-partman fails because /dev/cdrom cannot be unmounted. Jul 25 02:23:50 Cute. Jul 25 02:23:56 Can you file a bug? Jul 25 02:24:20 yes i am about to do so. Jul 25 02:27:19 Danke. Jul 25 02:27:23 which package should designate as the culprit? Jul 25 02:27:36 ubiquity is fine, we can triage from there. Jul 25 02:27:41 ok Jul 25 02:27:59 back in a bit Jul 25 02:46:25 infinity i have to report the bug from my laptop so i cant use apport to do it. how do i file on launchpad. i have an account. Jul 25 02:52:59 jimerickson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug Jul 25 02:57:41 thank you **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 25 02:59:58 2012