**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 22 03:00:00 2012 Aug 22 09:43:04 ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] Aug 22 09:43:13 sorry Aug 22 09:43:27 screen doing some weird stuff there. Aug 22 09:53:34 ogra_: todays omap4 live are still 3.4 based, how do i check if they promoted to 3.5? Aug 22 09:53:59 ppisati, look at the .manifest fiel for the image Aug 22 09:54:02 *file Aug 22 09:54:12 ogra_: you call it "seed" right? the thing that list all the packages that should be included in an image? Aug 22 09:54:14 or for desktop it might be .list Aug 22 09:54:50 the seed is the input for tasks and metapackages, yeah, it defines what goes where Aug 22 09:55:09 but the .list and .manifest files show you what actually ended up in the image ;) Aug 22 09:55:16 well Aug 22 09:55:19 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.manifest Aug 22 09:55:34 shows me 3.4 since the live is 3.4 based Aug 22 09:55:43 linux-image-3.4.0-204-omap4 3.4.0-204.9 Aug 22 09:56:10 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Aug 22 09:56:10 empathy : Depends: empathy-common (= 3.5.5-0ubuntu1) but 3.5.90-0ubuntu2 is to be installed Aug 22 09:56:17 well, no image builds since two days Aug 22 09:56:34 yesterdays failed on pythin-glib i think Aug 22 09:56:36 for emapthy? Aug 22 09:56:39 :( Aug 22 09:56:40 todays on emptahy Aug 22 09:56:47 try the server image ;) Aug 22 09:56:53 where do you check these status? Aug 22 09:57:06 * ppisati is missing some ml... Aug 22 09:57:34 nah, they are hidden on people.ubuntu.com Aug 22 09:57:47 i'm in the cdimage team, we get the logs mailed daily Aug 22 09:57:52 one sec Aug 22 09:58:04 http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ Aug 22 09:59:08 and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs Aug 22 09:59:44 cool Aug 22 09:59:49 todays is at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/quantal/ubuntu-omap4/20120822/livecd-20120822-armhf.out Aug 22 09:59:50 the last one is the one i was looking for Aug 22 10:02:08 ogra_: when does it run next? Aug 22 10:04:54 ppisati, hmm, good question, the crontab on the build machine looks a bit weird Aug 22 13:59:18 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Aug 22 13:59:18 gwibber : Depends: gwibber-service (= 3.5.2-0ubuntu1) but 3.5.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed Aug 22 13:59:20 gwibber-service : Conflicts: libgwibber2 but 3.5.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed Aug 22 13:59:24 Breaks: libgwibber2 but 3.5.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed Aug 22 13:59:24 fun Aug 22 13:59:26 ogra_: ^ Aug 22 14:00:00 say thanks to people that upload packagesets to the main archive instead of proposed Aug 22 14:00:30 it should resolve itself after a while Aug 22 14:00:53 yes, but i can't test my kernel in the archive Aug 22 14:01:51 our kernel uses gwibber ? Aug 22 14:01:59 no Aug 22 14:02:09 (does it twitter dmesg lines ?) Aug 22 14:02:21 but builders don't complete a build if $foobar is brokern Aug 22 14:02:24 so just grab a workin server image then Aug 22 14:02:32 i want the desktop image Aug 22 14:02:38 and apt-get install the kernel Aug 22 14:02:44 forget desktop Aug 22 14:02:49 unusable atm Aug 22 14:02:59 even if it would build Aug 22 14:03:11 ah right Aug 22 14:03:14 bah Aug 22 14:03:18 * ppisati dies in a corner Aug 22 14:03:27 * ogra_ does that since a week Aug 22 14:03:33 welcome to the club Aug 22 14:08:19 gwibber (3.5.3-0ubuntu2) quantal; urgency=low Aug 22 14:08:20 * debian/control: Aug 22 14:08:20 - add some missing internal package dependencies Aug 22 14:08:23 ppisati, ^^^ Aug 22 14:08:32 uploaded 8 min ago Aug 22 14:59:26 ogra_: I'm now working on the remaining changes for pvr, should have the packages ready later today Aug 22 15:01:14 \o/ Aug 22 16:18:51 What? Arm daily images are broken? Say it isn't so. Aug 22 16:19:17 GrueMaster, nah, it isnt ... server always works :P Aug 22 16:19:49 Pfft. Of course it works, there's practically nothing there. Aug 22 16:22:30 besides, where're the server images now? Aug 22 16:22:48 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install Aug 22 16:22:50 where they always were Aug 22 16:22:58 refers to P Aug 22 16:23:09 cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/server/daily/ Aug 22 16:23:12 ah Aug 22 16:23:15 err Aug 22 16:23:19 ubuntu-server Aug 22 16:23:28 Not Found Aug 22 16:23:29 (sorry trying to get used to a new kbd here) Aug 22 16:23:38 404 Aug 22 16:23:46 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/ Aug 22 16:23:47 no ok Aug 22 16:24:32 my daily omap3 autotest just finished ... Aug 22 16:24:59 i would expect omap4 to be fine as well ... unless someone uploaded a kernel that doesnt work on servers :P Aug 22 16:25:47 ppisati, dont forget to mount the first partition after dd'ing and copy preEnv.txt-serial over preEnv.txt Aug 22 16:25:59 unless you want a framebuffer based install Aug 22 16:26:05 if (am_i_on_a_server()) panic("thou shalt not server\n"); Aug 22 16:26:14 haha Aug 22 16:26:34 dont let Daviey see that :) Aug 22 16:26:34 ack Aug 22 16:28:02 I wonder if u-boot could be made to detect if there is a monitor attached? Something like "if EDID {console=fb} else {console=serial}" (simple logic). Aug 22 16:28:46 not in hush shell script Aug 22 16:28:50 Not that I do much with my pandas these days (except intercept calls from ET). Aug 22 16:28:57 it already can drive the framebuffer Aug 22 16:29:21 (see the beagle images that get this over-guly orange screen before loading the kernel) Aug 22 16:29:43 the prob is that your u-boot.bin gets so big Aug 22 16:29:51 I know it can drive the framebuffer, but it would be nice if it detected something on the other end. Aug 22 16:30:10 So? It is on SD. Aug 22 16:30:26 to be loaded into ram Aug 22 16:30:50 MLO needs to assign more space in that case etc etc Aug 22 16:31:04 Doesn't it get booted out once the kernel boots? Aug 22 16:31:28 yep Aug 22 16:31:50 Yeah, it's a question of how much RAM you have to play with before the kernel does anything to it. Aug 22 16:31:53 And mapping it sanely. Aug 22 16:31:56 I'm not saying for u-boot to actually drive the FB, just detect if it is there. Let the hush shell do simple scripting (which I know it already can do most of what I recommended). Aug 22 16:31:56 FSVO "sane". Aug 22 16:32:03 Which basically is just rough arithmetic and some luck. Aug 22 16:32:41 And I'm pretty sure you'd need the FB driver built-in to even hope to detect a display on the other end. Aug 22 16:32:45 But maybe not. Aug 22 16:32:50 GrueMaster, its not the hush shell, you need to include the whole framebuffer stack to even provuide that device somewhere Aug 22 16:32:53 Seems like a bit of effort for just one subarch, though. Aug 22 16:33:26 (I agree that it would be nice to autodetect the console, mind you, I've brought it up before too) Aug 22 16:33:29 * ogra_ grumbles about that new kbd Aug 22 16:33:32 Do you need the FB stack to do plug detection? Aug 22 16:33:41 GrueMaster, yes Aug 22 16:34:04 at least parts of it, you can probably cut it down if you dont want to display stuff Aug 22 16:34:07 Hmm. I would think a snippet of code in u-boot would be enough. Aug 22 16:34:16 but thats really a lot effort for not much benefit Aug 22 16:34:56 * ogra_ thinks since we dropped boot.scr it got easy enough to edit Aug 22 16:35:21 i'll probably drop the preEnv.txt-serial too and just put the info on the wiki Aug 22 16:36:04 (its not like its actually hard to add "console=ttyO2" to the end of a file that only contains one line Aug 22 16:36:07 ) Aug 22 16:48:39 ogra_: you'd be surprised =) Aug 22 16:49:01 heh Aug 22 16:49:35 ogra_: help.ubuntu.com & wiki.ubuntu.com & askubuntu.com are full of duplicate one-liners.... Aug 22 16:49:58 hahaha, complain to the doc team :) Aug 22 16:50:32 * ogra_ didnt even know there are people asking arm questions on askubuntu Aug 22 16:52:08 (and i wonder who answers them ?) Aug 22 16:54:47 * GrueMaster really wishes Unity would support rdp. Aug 22 16:55:48 * ogra_ really wishes unity would work on arm :P Aug 22 16:57:12 Yea, that too. Aug 22 17:02:36 I don't think console autodetection should happen based on the monitor presence Aug 22 17:02:55 that's something that can be done, but then you'd need to boot the board with the monitor already plugged Aug 22 17:03:05 and even at my own use cases, that doesn't happen so frequently Aug 22 17:03:06 rsalveti: Based on monitor and keyboard presense is a clever way to do it for installers. Not for installed systems. Aug 22 17:03:11 anyone making it out to LPC/LCNA ? Aug 22 17:03:35 rsalveti: That's the trick generally pulled on other platforms. Autodetect for the installer, trust the bootloader's set default after that. Aug 22 17:03:43 I'll be at plumbers Aug 22 17:03:48 prpplague: I'm plumbing. Aug 22 17:04:03 infinity: ahh dandy Aug 22 17:04:09 * ogra_ would like to, but forgot to ask for compan coverage Aug 22 17:04:16 infinity: come on by the TI booth if/when you have time Aug 22 17:04:16 *company Aug 22 17:04:30 prpplague: Do you have presents? Aug 22 17:04:40 infinity: just one at linuxcon Aug 22 17:04:45 mouse mats with pandas on them :) Aug 22 17:04:46 infinity: I understand the use case, but I'm still not convinced that mouse+monitor should be a reference for automatically selecting the console here Aug 22 17:04:57 (Is LC co-located with LPC, I haven't really looked at the former) Aug 22 17:05:02 it'll depend a lot based on each soc again Aug 22 17:05:11 which can be a huge pain Aug 22 17:05:21 can't be something that the kernel/initrd would be able to detect? Aug 22 17:05:22 rsalveti: Eh. It's as correct as any other guess for installer first-boot. Aug 22 17:05:27 once we're at the kernel side, it's a lot easier Aug 22 17:06:07 infinity: http://lcna2012.sched.org/event/df97704300418c3eee409c7254c5160d#.UDURbWY6css Aug 22 17:06:43 prpplague: will you be at plumbers as well? Aug 22 17:06:50 oh, cool Aug 22 17:06:52 rsalveti: yea Aug 22 17:07:04 rsalveti: no presentation though Aug 22 17:07:22 present yourself :) Aug 22 17:07:27 hehe Aug 22 17:07:33 prpplague: Oh, you misunderstood, I asked if you had *presents*, not a presentation. ;) Aug 22 17:07:41 infinity: ahh Aug 22 17:07:44 prpplague: As in, gifts, toys, incentive to come say hi. ;) Aug 22 17:07:50 :-) Aug 22 17:07:56 infinity: nothing special at linuxcon/lpc Aug 22 17:07:58 I'd go out for post-event beers, but it is in San Diego, not Portland. Aug 22 17:08:14 infinity: i have some plans for some stuff at ELCE Aug 22 17:08:28 prpplague: Oh well. Maybe I'll find the time to come be friendly anyway. :P Aug 22 17:08:42 who is going to ELC in Barcelona? Aug 22 17:08:45 infinity: i can't afford to give a bunch of stuff away at every conference, cuts in to my beer money Aug 22 17:08:48 * ppisati is going Aug 22 17:08:49 rsalveti: Bring a box of Linaro pens, we can take turns throwing them at prpplague. Aug 22 17:08:55 ppisati, its such a bad timin :/ Aug 22 17:08:59 *timing Aug 22 17:09:11 ogra_: why? right after uds Aug 22 17:09:21 exactly :) Aug 22 17:09:36 infinity: yeah, I think I have a bunch around Aug 22 17:09:39 Right after UDS is perfect conference timing, no one works that week anyway. Aug 22 17:09:42 come on, you can drive down from Germany :) Aug 22 17:09:44 * ogra_ will go by car to UDS ... Aug 22 17:09:52 ppisati, no, from denmark Aug 22 17:09:54 yea LF has done a terrible job of scheduling conferences this year Aug 22 17:10:12 Bloody hell. Remote desktop IS available, just not enabled. Grrr. http://liberiangeek.net/2012/04/list-of-remote-access-support-software-for-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ (see bottom). Aug 22 17:10:15 unfortunately i'll miss plumbers this year Aug 22 17:10:22 but at least i'll go to elc Aug 22 17:11:33 * ogra_ curses bluetooth Aug 22 17:11:36 damned Aug 22 17:13:35 * GrueMaster now wishes his laptop would support more than 2 monitors. So many remote machines to work with, so little desktop space. sigh. Aug 22 17:13:42 ugh, i so hate the lack of output on ubuntu desktop installs Aug 22 17:14:26 prpplague, well, we improved that, now we dont even start any GUI in quantal anymore Aug 22 17:16:18 ogra_: 11.10 works with pandaboard-es and dvi right? Aug 22 17:16:24 ogra_: so i din't get, are you coming or not to elc? and if yes, when? friday? sat? Aug 22 17:16:57 ppisati, no, i wont Aug 22 17:17:11 prpplague: I don't think we supported the ES until 12.04? I could be wrong. Aug 22 17:17:14 unless someone thinnks they need to send me Aug 22 17:17:34 we supported the ES with lucid iirc Aug 22 17:17:39 * prpplague hates when management asks for ubuntu installations for demos Aug 22 17:17:44 infinity: It was supported (barely) in 11.10 Aug 22 17:18:13 Lucid never supported omap. Aug 22 17:18:29 oh, it did, not omap4 though Aug 22 17:19:23 omap3 support was a tech preview iirc. And very late in the game. Aug 22 17:19:24 GrueMaster: Yeah, I know for a fact that natty doesn't even pretend to boot on an ES, never tried oneiric. Aug 22 17:20:13 no, right, it was maveric Aug 22 17:20:43 that was the release we spent at TI during release week Aug 22 17:20:49 to bring up the ES iirc Aug 22 17:20:50 As far as DVI goes, I'm not sure if it was supported properly (or is now). afaik, the images assume output on hdmi port only, and there was no dual monitor output. Aug 22 17:21:29 ogra_: That was the original panda omap4 4450. I thought the ES was the 4460. Aug 22 17:21:36 GrueMaster, hdmi is backwards compatible with DVI-D Aug 22 17:21:44 (or do I have those numbers wrong). Aug 22 17:22:17 scientes: I know, but there are two "hdmi" ports on panda, 1 is true HDMI, the other is DVI-D in an hdmi form factor. Aug 22 17:22:28 * prpplague wishes he had time to fix these issues Aug 22 17:22:49 hdmi also has usb and ethernet for the crazies Aug 22 17:23:08 Only in newer HDMI specs. Aug 22 17:23:15 and for the crazies Aug 22 17:23:17 GrueMaster, ES was the second gen panda Aug 22 17:23:29 iirc Aug 22 17:23:30 ogra_: The ES definitely won't work on maverick or natty. Aug 22 17:23:36 hmm Aug 22 17:23:43 ogra_: And the ES is the 4460, the other Pandas are 4430. Aug 22 17:23:43 what am i getting wrong here Aug 22 17:23:48 ogra_: Ok, then that wasn't supported until Oneiric Aug 22 17:24:11 oh, i mixed up E and ES Aug 22 17:24:17 and EA Aug 22 17:24:37 Yea, the EA was the preproduction 4430. Aug 22 17:24:46 EA was maverick til natty ... E natty and later Aug 22 17:24:52 The ES is the 4460. Aug 22 17:24:56 right Aug 22 17:24:59 sorry, my fault Aug 22 17:25:42 How is it that I'm the only one that always remembers this? :P Aug 22 17:26:29 dunno, beer imprints in your braincells we others miss ? Aug 22 17:26:44 Heh. That must be it. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 22 17:34:23 2012 Aug 22 17:35:57 prpplague: and what is your issue with ubuntu at this point? Aug 22 17:36:05 what is causing you headaches? Aug 22 17:36:41 rsalveti: no DPI support, basically the same issue i always have with it Aug 22 17:37:19 I think that's supported with the latest kernel I'd guess Aug 22 17:37:32 you could also use the ubuntu-linaro pre-built rootfs we have based on precise Aug 22 17:37:37 which delivers the ti lt kernel Aug 22 17:38:29 it's just that we had issues with it for a few kernel releases Aug 22 17:40:14 if latest 3.5 kernel doesn't support it, it's probably config bug or similar Aug 22 17:42:32 ogra_, does opengl|es mean unity for us on pandaboards? http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/delivering-compiz-and-unity-on-the-next-wave-of-embedded-form-factors/ Aug 22 17:42:41 or do we still need the powervr driver? Aug 22 17:42:47 rsalveti: got a link to the linaro-ubuntu you are refering to? Aug 22 17:43:16 balloons: we still need the pvr driver, but that's also landing today/tomorrow Aug 22 17:43:19 balloons, well, unity on x86 supports GL ... would it run without a GL capable xserver ? :) Aug 22 17:43:29 which will allow us running unity 3d on panda Aug 22 17:43:43 just like we had with precise, but now without a huge package patch :-) Aug 22 17:44:19 prpplague: http://snapshots.linaro.org/precise/pre-built/lt-panda-x11-base/260/lt-panda-x11-base-precise_ubuntu-desktop_20120821-260.html Aug 22 17:44:29 prpplague: download, dd it and let me know if it worked or not for you Aug 22 17:45:18 ogra_, rsalveti thank you.. I assumed we still needed the driver. but that's awesome it's showing up soon as well Aug 22 17:45:31 so friday's builds, fingers crossed should have all the goodness in them? Aug 22 17:45:40 yeah, by end of the week we should have all bits we need in the archive Aug 22 17:45:52 wah-hoo! Aug 22 17:45:55 yay! Aug 22 17:46:02 but they will need additional integration work (teh driver isnt seeded yet etc) Aug 22 17:46:16 so i'd rather say monday Aug 22 18:06:12 rsalveti: thanks will do Aug 22 18:41:35 rsalveti: looks like i am going to have to build a custom kernel to do what i need Aug 22 18:41:40 rsalveti: oh well Aug 22 18:52:00 rsalveti: do you know where the kernel source is for that linaro build? Aug 22 18:55:58 rsalveti: nm, looks like the linaro build is going to work, still testing Aug 22 19:04:33 rsalveti: doh detecting the wrong resolution, hehe Aug 22 19:45:45 is there any repository with gcc 4.4.4 available for ubuntu 10.04? Aug 22 20:34:52 prpplague: but did it work at some leve at least? Aug 22 20:35:34 rsalveti: yea the linaro-ubuntu boots, but with the wrong resolution detected Aug 22 23:37:03 i'm having trouble configuring serial console login on my arm board Aug 22 23:37:06 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto Aug 22 23:37:10 this doesn't work Aug 22 23:37:26 is there any updates to this document Aug 22 23:46:21 oh it works.. was using wrong tty device Aug 22 23:46:49 thanks for not answering ;) Aug 22 23:56:43 You're welcome. :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 23 02:59:59 2012