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Aug 24 09:38:11 <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20120824/
Aug 24 09:38:14 <ogra_> there we go
Aug 24 09:38:22 <ogra_> ac100 lubuntu
Aug 24 09:39:10 <ogra_> wow, and only 400M
Aug 24 09:39:43 <lilstevie> nice
Aug 24 09:40:12 <lilstevie> I've recently renewed some work on the tf101
Aug 24 09:40:16 <lilstevie> (took long enough) :p
Aug 24 09:40:45 <ogra_> heh
Aug 24 09:40:46 <lilstevie> but u-boot won't play ball with my usb keyboard :/
Aug 24 09:41:03 <ogra_> get a bluetooth one
Aug 24 09:41:08 <ogra_> will surely be better :P
Aug 24 09:41:10 <lilstevie> u-boot
Aug 24 09:41:16 <lilstevie> :p
Aug 24 09:41:20 <ogra_> yeah, that was the joke :P
Aug 24 09:41:40 <lilstevie> instead I have started writing a driver for the dock keyboard
Aug 24 09:41:46 <ogra_> ++
Aug 24 09:41:52 <ogra_> ood move
Aug 24 09:41:56 <ogra_> *good even
Aug 24 09:42:05 <lilstevie> we have no serial
Aug 24 09:42:48 <lilstevie> so playing with involves putting a boot.scr with the commands I want to execute on a usb stick
Aug 24 09:43:15 <lilstevie> speaking of u-boot though, documentation on device tree stuff is really lacking
Aug 24 09:43:48 <ogra_> yep
Aug 24 09:43:57 * ogra_ agrees
Aug 24 09:44:15 <lilstevie> is there any documentation anywhere that could give me a hand, so far I have had nothing but fail in trying to get a kernel running using a device tree
Aug 24 09:48:24 <ogra_> i dont know of an, oogle ...
Aug 24 09:48:28 <ogra_> *google
Aug 24 09:48:56 <lilstevie> yeah tried that
Aug 24 09:48:57 <lilstevie> :(
Aug 24 09:49:12 <lilstevie> fragments, none of which seem to help tegra
Aug 24 09:51:51 <ogra_> well, what i know is that you need a devicetree file and u-boot needs to load it somehow
Aug 24 09:56:51 <lilstevie> heh
Aug 24 09:56:55 <lilstevie> well I managed that part
Aug 24 09:57:19 <ogra_> and indeed your u-boot version needs to know how to handle it
Aug 24 10:03:07 <lilstevie> and ran the fdt commands
Aug 24 10:03:21 <lilstevie> yeah, I'm using the l4t-r15 u-boot
Aug 24 11:03:05 <marvin24> lilstevie: what's the problem?
Aug 24 11:04:03 <marvin24> on ac100 the device tree get appended to the u-boot binary
Aug 24 11:04:38 <marvin24> which is transfered to the kernel later in the boot process
Aug 24 11:05:04 <marvin24> the problem is that kernel has a slightly different device tree than u-boot
Aug 24 11:07:16 <ogra_> ouch
Aug 24 11:07:29 <ogra_> it shouldnt, should it ?
Aug 24 11:07:49 <marvin24> no it shouldn't
Aug 24 11:07:52 <ogra_> (at least by my knowledge of DT one DT file should work with bootloader as welll as kernel)
Aug 24 11:08:10 <marvin24> but mainline u-boot isn't updated yet
Aug 24 11:08:30 <marvin24> but I guess you can just copy the kernel dt to u-boot
Aug 24 11:08:39 <marvin24> as long as the syntax is equal
Aug 24 11:09:11 <marvin24> ogra_: is the new quantal image installable?
Aug 24 11:09:38 <ogra_> marvin24, havent tested it since teh switch to lubuntu, download is just done
Aug 24 11:10:06 <marvin24> I wonder if it also has the limitation to be only installable to the internal mmc
Aug 24 11:10:07 <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20120824/
Aug 24 11:10:14 <marvin24> I will try out later
Aug 24 11:10:23 <ogra_> i havent changed anything in the installer
Aug 24 11:10:35 <ogra_> everything should work/fail as it did before :)
Aug 24 11:11:22 <marvin24> :-(
Aug 24 11:12:03 * ogra_ doesnt get what was broken, for me all install variants worked last time i tested
Aug 24 11:32:08 <ogra_> ah, sweet i'm in lubuntus oem-config :)
Aug 24 11:32:47 <ogra_> X took quite long to come up ... i already thought it had crashed
Aug 24 11:33:11 <marvin24> maybe it restarted several times
Aug 24 11:33:36 <ogra_> might be, i'll check the logs once i can
Aug 24 11:34:30 <ogra_> hmm, weird that they use the same slideshow
Aug 24 11:34:37 <ogra_> doesnt really match the color theme
Aug 24 11:37:01 <xnox> oh their slideshow was crashing or something
Aug 24 11:37:11 <ogra_> ah
Aug 24 11:37:15 * xnox ponders if I should continue ubiquity development on lubuntu
Aug 24 11:37:30 <ogra_> yay, oem-config survived ... i'm in package removal
Aug 24 11:37:50 <xnox> ogra_: based on the foundations-team report, is there a bug tracking compiz llvmpipe landing in ubuntu?
Aug 24 11:38:01 <ogra_> not yet, no
Aug 24 11:38:13 <xnox> and will there be a release meeting today?
Aug 24 11:38:14 <ogra_> and i'm pretty sure we wont enable it at all for arm builds
Aug 24 11:38:21 <ogra_> ask kate :)
Aug 24 11:38:30 <ogra_> i have it on my gcal but that doesnt mean much :)
Aug 24 11:39:37 <ogra_> xnox, we're still waiting for input from doko in the mail discussion about llvmpipe (thouh i suspect he wont maically pull code out of a hat that makes arm work)
Aug 24 11:39:56 <ogra_> yay, "removing cryptsetp" :)
Aug 24 11:39:59 <ogra_> *setup
Aug 24 11:40:56 <ogra_> lightdm !
Aug 24 11:41:14 * ogra_ logs in
Aug 24 11:41:38 <ogra_> heh
Aug 24 11:41:51 <ogra_> the games subment uses the same icon for all games
Aug 24 11:41:59 <ogra_> *submenu
Aug 24 11:48:00 <ogra_> marvin24, so at least the default install works just fine here
Aug 24 11:48:31 * ogra_ is surprised to see the initial desktop use 267MB 
Aug 24 11:48:47 <ogra_> thats way more than unity-2d used
Aug 24 11:49:06 <ogra_> (about 100M)
Aug 24 11:49:15 <marvin24> nice it worked so far
Aug 24 11:49:25 <marvin24> I will try install on sd card then
Aug 24 11:50:43 <ogra_> hmm, chromium is not working
Aug 24 11:55:08 <xnox> crashes?
Aug 24 11:55:15 <xnox> it did for me, i switched to chrome
Aug 24 11:55:17 <ogra_> yep
Aug 24 11:55:31 <ogra_> on your panda ?
Aug 24 11:55:34 * xnox 'for me' usually means 'on my amd64'
Aug 24 11:55:39 <ogra_> ah
Aug 24 11:55:41 * xnox has no screen for panda remember =)
Aug 24 11:55:58 <ogra_> well, there is always ssh -X
Aug 24 11:55:59 <ogra_> ;)
Aug 24 11:57:03 <ogra_> sigh, apport
Aug 24 12:02:33 <xnox> aport - is the command you give your dog to 'fetch' in Russian
Aug 24 12:03:10 <ogra_> haha
Aug 24 12:15:05 * ogra_ tries suspend
Aug 24 12:15:32 <ogra_> bah
Aug 24 12:18:29 <xnox> let me just tell you =) quantal daily amd64 is awesome in the VM: no dash, no indicators, no panel on the top. Simply a pretty background + icon install ubuntu
Aug 24 12:18:39 <xnox> simply precise =) awesome
Aug 24 12:18:45 <ogra_> haha
Aug 24 12:19:03 <ogra_> you should try it on the panda ... there its awesome and breaking :)
Aug 24 12:20:18 <xnox> i am pretty sure that it's the fallback metacity without any acceleration
Aug 24 12:20:34 <xnox> btw what did happen to the gnome fallback (ubuntu classic)
Aug 24 12:30:11 * ogra_ thinks now that he has to look at xcreensaver again regulary it is time to reintroduce the xft patch for the unlock window as infinity suggested
Aug 24 12:30:37 <ogra_> this thing is just to ugly
Aug 24 12:35:08 <xnox> ogra_: see what unity does to you! calling other projects "too ugly"
Aug 24 12:49:43 <lilstevie> marvin24, screen black (backlight on) and nothing
Aug 24 13:01:38 <marvin24> lilstevie: serial console available?
Aug 24 13:01:49 <lilstevie> no
Aug 24 13:02:18 <marvin24> if the kernel is compiled for device tree support and no dt is supplied it will just stop
Aug 24 13:02:33 <lilstevie> not enough resources have gone into locating the serial
Aug 24 13:02:56 <marvin24> hacking u-boot without a serial console is ...
Aug 24 13:03:18 <lilstevie> by supplying dt you mean fatload ; fdt address {blah}; fdt resize; bootm
Aug 24 13:03:39 <marvin24> lilstevie: mmh, we use u-boot-dtb.bin
Aug 24 13:03:40 <lilstevie> without a serial console is... fun? :p
Aug 24 13:04:00 <marvin24> which does not require loading it from somewhere else
Aug 24 13:04:05 <lilstevie> hm
Aug 24 13:04:49 <marvin24> do you have patches for tf101 on mainline?
Aug 24 13:05:02 <marvin24> 3.1 kernel won't boot with device tree anyway
Aug 24 13:05:10 <lilstevie> oh
Aug 24 13:05:19 <lilstevie> even though it has generic DT support?
Aug 24 13:05:32 <marvin24> yes
Aug 24 13:05:42 <lilstevie> that could be the issue
Aug 24 13:05:51 <marvin24> a *lot* of dt work went into mainline in the last version
Aug 24 13:05:57 <lilstevie> ah
Aug 24 13:06:20 <marvin24> that's what the nvidia folks mostly did over the last months
Aug 24 13:06:36 <marvin24> mainline just removed board file support ;-)
Aug 24 13:06:42 <lilstevie> :)
Aug 24 13:07:21 <marvin24> so, better spend your time towrite a nice device tree file for tf*01
Aug 24 13:07:29 <marvin24> and add u-boot support
Aug 24 13:08:20 <lilstevie> well the seaboard device tree pretty much works with a resolution change
Aug 24 13:08:50 <marvin24> so you got mainline kernel working already?
Aug 24 13:08:56 <lilstevie> no u-boot
Aug 24 13:08:59 <marvin24> ah
Aug 24 13:09:34 <marvin24> I think linux kernel support should be a big problem then
Aug 24 13:10:07 <lilstevie> haven't really tried much past trying to get the device tree to load on a working 3.1
Aug 24 13:27:52 <lilstevie> marvin24, is the ac100 stuff somewhere?
Aug 24 13:56:49 <rsalveti> ogra_: hey, any news about the pvr driver?
Aug 24 13:56:51 <rsalveti> :-)
Aug 24 14:35:58 <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm, didnt infinity upload it yesterday ?
Aug 24 14:38:53 <rsalveti> ogra_: nops
Aug 24 14:39:04 <ogra_> yeah, doesnt seem to be in any queue
Aug 24 14:39:13 <ogra_> i'm in a call now, will take care afterwards
Aug 24 14:39:20 <rsalveti> ogra_: great, thanks
Aug 24 14:47:21 <ogra_> rsalveti, uploaded (will be stuck in NEW now)
Aug 24 14:48:03 <rsalveti> ogra_: did you also upload libdri2?
Aug 24 14:48:07 <rsalveti> ogra_: bug 1040611
Aug 24 14:48:08 <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1040611 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libdri2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040611
Aug 24 14:48:12 <ogra_> only libdri2 yet
Aug 24 14:48:19 <rsalveti> oh, ok
Aug 24 14:48:33 <rsalveti> good, we can poke infinity when he's back on-line
Aug 24 14:48:34 <ogra_> under the assumption that NEW processing might take a bit
Aug 24 14:49:06 <rsalveti> we just need to get someone from the desktop to update compiz again
Aug 24 14:49:10 <rsalveti> now using the right revision
Aug 24 14:49:37 <ogra_> seeing seb128's release report on the ubuntu-release ML they are aware it seems
Aug 24 14:50:23 <ogra_> "* compiz GLES landing to compiz-trunk, needs to be tested and released"
Aug 24 14:50:38 <ogra_> seems they wait for an upstream release for it
Aug 24 15:02:38 <rsalveti> got it
Aug 24 15:38:10 <Laney> ogra_: Care to take a look at http://ubuntuone.com/0E3feYdrhGY1ywL9vNBjbS and tell me what I did wrong please? That's a netboot install on my panda using the latest fb image. :-)
Aug 24 15:39:29 <ogra_> Laney, they system needs the SD card to boot (and write the bootloader to it during install)
Aug 24 15:39:39 <ogra_> so dont unplug it ;)
Aug 24 15:40:13 <ogra_> sorry, i'm behind with the install instructions, the wiki should say that
Aug 24 15:40:22 <Laney> unplug? I unplugged nothing
Aug 24 15:40:28 <Laney> I just did what this says http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ARM/NetBoot
Aug 24 15:40:34 <ogra_> how did you boot the netboot image ?
Aug 24 15:40:57 <ogra_> and the Sd is still in the slot ?
Aug 24 15:41:00 <Laney> yes
Aug 24 15:41:03 <ogra_> hmm
Aug 24 15:41:06 <Laney> unless it fell out ...
Aug 24 15:41:19 <ogra_> probably bug 806751
Aug 24 15:41:19 <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 806751 in debian-installer "Boot partition on SD is too small on omap/omap4" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806751
Aug 24 15:41:49 <Laney> Fix Released?
Aug 24 15:42:00 <ogra_> though that shouldnt say "is not a block device"
Aug 24 15:42:53 <Laney> I'm installing with / on an attached USB drive if that matters
Aug 24 15:43:05 <ogra_> thats fine
Aug 24 15:43:14 <ogra_> and you used guided partitioning ?
Aug 24 15:43:38 <Laney> manual → select free space → auto partition
Aug 24 15:44:19 <ogra_> hmm
Aug 24 15:44:56 <Laney> I think it made a separate /boot partition
Aug 24 15:45:20 <ogra_> yes, it does that by default
Aug 24 15:48:01 <Laney> ho hum
Aug 24 15:48:05 * Laney gets a live image instead
Aug 24 15:48:56 <ogra_> noo !
Aug 24 15:49:04 <ogra_> get a server image at best :)
Aug 24 15:49:17 <ogra_> desktop is totally borked due to the removal of unity-2d
Aug 24 15:49:24 <Laney> argh, really?
Aug 24 15:49:31 <ogra_> yep
Aug 24 15:49:42 <ogra_> llvmpipe on arm doesnt work...
Aug 24 15:49:49 <Laney> sigh
Aug 24 15:49:54 <ogra_> and there is no 2D desktop anymore ...
Aug 24 15:50:02 <ogra_> nor are there 3D drivers yet
Aug 24 15:50:24 <ogra_> the alpha milestone might work ... but you should refrain from upgradin
Aug 24 15:54:37 <Laney> i'll just get that and hold unity-2d then
Aug 24 15:54:55 <ogra_> that should work
Aug 24 15:55:18 <ogra_> sorry, that netboot didnt work out for you, i'll have a look over the weekend what that is
Aug 24 15:55:24 <ogra_> weird error ... really
Aug 24 15:56:03 <Laney> I chose the desktop task so it would have been a bit doomed anyway :P
Aug 24 15:56:15 <ogra_> heh, yeah
Aug 24 15:58:56 <Laney> there was a weird "Ubuntu Desktop (USB)" task too — wonder what that's about
Aug 24 15:59:14 <ogra_> tasksel should be able to tell
Aug 24 15:59:31 <ogra_> it should have at least a long description (that d-i doesnt show i think)
Aug 24 16:08:12 <xnox> ogra_: shall we ship gnome-session-fallback on arm then?
Aug 24 16:08:17 <xnox> to unbreak desktop images
Aug 24 16:09:14 <ogra_> xnox, nope, we're waiting for NEW prosessing of libdrm2 and will then have the new GLES driver in the archive shortly after
Aug 24 16:09:21 <ogra_> no need to invest time into hacks
Aug 24 16:17:17 <furan> is there some way to dump the sym versions using a kernel image?
Aug 24 16:17:31 <furan> I tried looking at /proc/kallsyms but that doesn't give me the versions
Aug 24 20:09:29 <rolf__> I am running a padaboard. is a dist-upgrade from ubuntu 11.10 server to 12.04 server a standard procedure or is there anythins special to take care of?
Aug 24 20:09:48 <rolf__> How much time will such a dist-upgrade take?
Aug 24 20:10:44 <infinity> rolf__: Given that 12.04 was the introduction of armhf as our supported arch, I'd recommend a reinstall.
Aug 24 20:10:59 <infinity> rolf__: But dist-upgrading your armel install should work fine.
Aug 24 20:11:07 <infinity> (It'll just not be armhf)
Aug 24 20:14:46 <rolf__> thank you
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