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Sep 12 09:36:52 <ogra_> rsalveti, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE4MjI
Sep 12 09:37:03 <ogra_> what a collection of utter unresearched nonsense
Sep 12 09:52:42 <lilstevie> ogra_, I thought the problem was that LLVMpipe didn't work on arm, not that it had poor performance
Sep 12 09:53:01 <ogra_> lilstevie, well, you have a fast mouose on top of a slideshow
Sep 12 09:53:02 <ogra_> :)
Sep 12 09:53:20 <lilstevie> lol
Sep 12 09:54:26 <lilstevie> is that due to a bug though, or the cpu not being able to keep up
Sep 12 09:58:33 <ogra_> it is due to non existing code for arm
Sep 12 09:58:47 <ogra_> it simply falls back to swrast
Sep 12 10:02:35 <lilstevie> ah
Sep 12 10:02:51 <lilstevie> so yeah, not a performance issue as much as lack of support in the software itself
Sep 12 10:04:23 <ogra_> right
Sep 12 10:05:02 <lilstevie> well that seems fair enough then :p
Sep 12 10:05:43 <lilstevie> do you know if the tegra r16 drivers have that bug with unity fixed?
Sep 12 10:31:13 <ogra_> lilstevie, i dont have a proper kernel yet (waiting on janimo and marvin24 here)
Sep 12 10:31:44 <ogra_> and i dont want to trash my current 12.04 install with non packaged kernels
Sep 12 10:32:03 <ogra_> (12.10 wont work for r16 anyway ... (ABI 13 isnt supported))
Sep 12 10:33:05 <marvin24> lilstevie: r16 fails alltogether here
Sep 12 10:33:16 <marvin24> some strange symlink problem
Sep 12 10:34:06 <marvin24> and even if I force load the libraries, no gles output is rendered
Sep 12 10:34:24 <ogra_> device permissions  ?
Sep 12 10:34:29 <ogra_> they might have changed
Sep 12 10:34:33 <marvin24> no, driver problem
Sep 12 10:34:36 <ogra_> k
Sep 12 10:34:51 <marvin24> it says something like "too few shaders to compile"
Sep 12 10:35:08 <marvin24> even with es2gears
Sep 12 10:35:09 <ogra_> GL libs issue ?
Sep 12 10:35:28 <ogra_> did you have the r15 package installed before ?
Sep 12 10:35:31 <marvin24> yes
Sep 12 10:35:48 <ogra_> might be that the alternatives point to the r15 stuff
Sep 12 10:35:58 <ogra_> uninstall it
Sep 12 10:36:00 <marvin24> the stange thing was, that even the ld path was correct, it didn't found the libs
Sep 12 10:36:32 <marvin24> r15 and r16 are in the same dir
Sep 12 10:36:36 <marvin24> I just copied them over
Sep 12 10:36:45 <ogra_> hmm
Sep 12 10:36:48 <marvin24> (and killed what was leftover from r15)
Sep 12 10:37:17 <marvin24> srwarren said something about es2_info using the wrong libs and needs to be recompiled
Sep 12 10:37:33 <ogra_> huh ?
Sep 12 10:37:35 <marvin24> sorry, I don't understand what the problem is
Sep 12 10:37:59 <marvin24> the nv libs have no version
Sep 12 10:38:03 <ogra_> thats nonsense
Sep 12 10:38:06 <marvin24> e.g. foo.so.1
Sep 12 10:38:21 <marvin24> but es2_info wants them
Sep 12 10:38:31 <marvin24> so I created a symlink, but that didn't helped
Sep 12 10:38:47 <ogra_> did you run ldconfig afterwards ?
Sep 12 10:38:58 <marvin24> on  the other hand, creating a symlink from nvidia-tegra/foo.so to /usr/lib/foo.so.1 helped
Sep 12 10:39:02 <marvin24> sure I did
Sep 12 10:39:10 <marvin24> I even checked with ldconfig -v
Sep 12 10:39:56 <ogra_> weird
Sep 12 10:40:10 <ogra_> thats all with the current kernel though, right ?
Sep 12 10:41:19 <marvin24> with a r16 kernel
Sep 12 10:41:25 <marvin24> but I think this shouldn't matter
Sep 12 10:42:06 <ogra_> well, if it really shouldnt matter i should probably try myself with a proper r16 package :)
Sep 12 10:43:01 <marvin24> ogra_: you can try, you can revert back easily
Sep 12 11:13:14 <torpor> anyone in here got a TI DLP pico projector?
Sep 12 12:57:29 <rsalveti> ogra_: oh dear
Sep 12 12:57:48 <ogra_> yeah, made me a bit grumpy
Sep 12 12:57:53 <ogra_> so badly researched
Sep 12 12:59:31 <rsalveti> yup
Sep 12 13:00:13 <rsalveti> the most important thing, that is the gles merge at compiz trunk is not there
Sep 12 13:00:28 <ogra_> it is on the beta image
Sep 12 13:00:58 <ogra_> but he also claims the pvr driver isnt ...
Sep 12 13:01:52 <rsalveti> that's true, guess the idea was just to rant about the decision of using llvmpipe
Sep 12 13:02:01 <ogra_> (which is a lie and he could have checked with dpkg ... unless he used an image pre-beta indeed)
Sep 12 13:02:17 <rsalveti> because it's not well supported at this point, or at least until it gets some kind of neon support
Sep 12 13:02:21 <ogra_> yeah, and say that it runs just fine on fedora ...
Sep 12 13:02:29 <ogra_> comapring apples and oranges :P
Sep 12 13:02:32 <rsalveti> hahah, yeah yeah
Sep 12 13:02:40 <ogra_> (GNOME on armv5 vs unity on v7)
Sep 12 13:03:33 <rsalveti> yeah, and it's not using beta
Sep 12 13:03:38 <rsalveti> otherwise pvr would be enabled
Sep 12 13:03:42 <ogra_> right
Sep 12 13:04:17 <rsalveti> let's land this kernel fix and create another blog post showing how it's performing ;-)
Sep 12 13:05:17 <ogra_> ++
Sep 12 13:05:18 <ogra_> :)
Sep 12 13:05:32 * ogra_ would have so much to blog about ....
Sep 12 13:05:44 <ogra_> my embedded filesystem builder slowly gets into shape :)
Sep 12 13:05:50 <hrw> o rsalveti woke up
Sep 12 13:05:53 <ogra_> my core rootfs is 3.5M big ;)
Sep 12 13:06:34 <ogra_> and i completely HW hacked one of my ac100s :)
Sep 12 13:06:51 <hrw> I hope to be able to build rootfs for my current target one day
Sep 12 13:07:02 <hrw> ogra_: what added/changed?
Sep 12 13:07:06 <ogra_> (updated to 720p panel, running with 1.2GHz overclocking and using an internal 32G USB disk now)
Sep 12 13:07:40 <ogra_> that was ~100€ and a weekend of HW tinkering :)
Sep 12 13:08:21 <hrw> nice
Sep 12 13:08:36 <hrw> add second 512MB ram
Sep 12 13:08:49 <ogra_> i wish i could
Sep 12 13:09:08 <ogra_> even if you add POP ram, there is no wiring so you couldnt attach it
Sep 12 13:09:19 <ogra_> the HW is only wired up for 512M
Sep 12 13:09:46 <ogra_> but i switched to openbox anyway, so 512M arent such a big constraint anymore
Sep 12 13:10:04 <ogra_> openbox, midori and sylpheed
Sep 12 13:11:23 <hrw> I tried to make a use of efikasb but it was too slow. you atlesast have dualcore cpu
Sep 12 13:13:01 <ogra_> yeah
Sep 12 13:13:16 <ogra_> well, with the ablve hack the ac100 actually gets quite usable
Sep 12 13:13:21 <ogra_> *above
Sep 12 13:13:30 <ogra_> havin all my mail locally on disk really helps
Sep 12 13:13:50 <hrw> yeah
Sep 12 13:14:00 <ogra_> way faster than searching throuh a 40000 bugmail box remotely
Sep 12 19:26:24 <Wizard> HI.
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