**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 19 02:59:58 2012 Sep 19 13:20:26 ogra_: as per "Documentation, firmware and drivers" section in http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/licensing I see no problem with keeping panda images as "Ubuntu Desktop" Sep 19 13:21:08 it has been re-inforced by TB in the past that on case-by-case we do include firmware and drivers provided that they "do not restrict our ability to make Ubuntu available free of charge, and that you can continue to redistribute Ubuntu." Sep 19 13:22:24 xnox, right, and the TB decision that pitti referred to explicitly stated the deriver exception Sep 19 13:22:29 *driver Sep 19 13:22:56 yes. Sep 19 13:23:03 but we still should make users aware of the fact that there are binary drivers included Sep 19 13:23:06 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/723831/comments/19 Sep 19 13:23:07 Launchpad bug 723831 in ubiquity "Installer – The option to 'install third-party software' when installing Ubuntu should be selected by default (aka "make Youtube work")" [Wishlist,Won't fix] Sep 19 13:23:15 he even wrote the comment himself =) Sep 19 13:23:21 (not only to warn them but also because they will love us for that ;) ) Sep 19 13:23:53 I can totally see "love" comming our way Sep 19 13:23:59 :) Sep 19 13:25:01 stgraber, so playingg with the zatab i can see it initializes the LCD backlight when u-boot comes up (still fiddling with the kernel) so something is definitely working right here Sep 19 13:25:15 i wonder if the kernel just defaults to HDMI ;) Sep 19 13:28:00 ogra_: AFAIK getting a working kernel framebuffer before X is quite tricky, maybe rbelem managed it now. My initial try was to mess with my setup until I'd get something to appear in the logs on the microsd, though without much success. Sep 19 13:29:23 well, zareason shows pics of ubuntu running on the tab on their facebook page Sep 19 13:29:32 but thats attached via hdmi Sep 19 13:29:49 they should just make the images available they have ... Sep 19 13:29:54 even if they are crappy Sep 19 13:30:15 oh, btw, there is no /proc/config.gz in the default android ... seems they disabled that :/ Sep 19 13:38:17 stgraber, hmm, seems *everything* related to graphics output is a module in the defconfig Sep 19 13:56:42 stgraber, where did you get the script and bootscr from again ? Sep 19 13:59:05 ogra_: script.fex is a clear text version of script.bin from /dev/nand1. On our model it's: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1214832/ Sep 19 13:59:18 thx Sep 19 13:59:37 ogra_: the boot.cmd is a fairly standard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1214835/ Sep 19 14:02:51 ok, this kernel is definitely doing something Sep 19 14:25:22 heh, framebuffer console is disabled by default Sep 19 14:36:43 grmbl, so i'm pretty sure the kernel comes up fine Sep 19 14:37:03 the backlight level changes definitely after a few seconds when booting Sep 19 14:37:16 (which doesnt happen if i remove uImage) Sep 19 14:59:50 hi! Sep 19 15:00:05 do you know what are default user/passwd for precise armhf images? Sep 19 15:00:43 ?? Sep 19 15:00:55 the same as on official debian images (read: there are none) Sep 19 15:01:12 we expect the initial user to be created by the installer :) Sep 19 15:01:27 zumbi, what images are you trying Sep 19 15:01:35 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ Sep 19 15:01:45 what arch ? Sep 19 15:02:12 ogra_: on VGA monitor it brings you to desktop and asks questions, but I got a login on serial tty, after enabling it Sep 19 15:02:15 ogra_: armhf Sep 19 15:02:29 ogra_: for mx5 Sep 19 15:03:12 well, normally it should run oem-config (subset of ubiquity) and create a user Sep 19 15:03:39 ogra_: right, it does that, I just dont have USB keyboard around to enter the details Sep 19 15:03:41 after all that is done that user should exist on the system and you should be able to log in with these credentials Sep 19 15:04:01 beyond that, there is no user at that point, the rootfs is competely virgin Sep 19 15:04:11 not even for root? Sep 19 15:04:29 ubuntu doesnt make use of root ;) Sep 19 15:04:36 sudo by default Sep 19 15:04:46 so the root account is always locked Sep 19 15:04:52 right.. that's a bit crazy Sep 19 15:05:01 i would suggest using a server image ... Sep 19 15:05:11 they default to serial for everything Sep 19 15:05:22 there are no server images for mx5 Sep 19 15:05:24 (and tasksel offers ubuntu-desktop too if you want it) Sep 19 15:05:55 ogra_: well, thanks, I think I'll hack a user/pass with qemu Sep 19 15:05:56 hmm, i thought we had them Sep 19 15:06:07 zumbi, non need for qemu ... Sep 19 15:06:20 just sedit /etc/shadow on the SD Sep 19 15:06:24 * GrueMaster had suggested netboot images as a bare minimum for all hardware, but .... Sep 19 15:06:33 but be aware that you miss configuration indeed Sep 19 15:08:10 ogra_: what do i need to change in /etc/shadow? Sep 19 15:08:27 the exclamation mark for the root pw Sep 19 15:08:31 just remove it Sep 19 15:08:56 root:*:15453:0:99999:7::: Sep 19 15:09:00 there is no ! Sep 19 15:11:47 then the * Sep 19 15:12:22 should end up like a debian install where you set no rootpw Sep 19 16:59:56 booting panda desktop image.... Sep 19 17:02:14 should work... Sep 19 17:43:38 ogra_: can you boot desktop panda sd card for installation.... but do not attach any other hard-drives Sep 19 17:43:50 what is your expectation from ubiquity? Sep 19 17:44:21 currently it goes straight from wifi setup -> manual partitioning screen Sep 19 17:45:25 and finish button can be clicked dispite not doing anything useful (well crash) Sep 19 19:16:03 xnox, hmm, it should pop up the notice about installing to source media and let you do it Sep 19 19:27:11 ogra_: well installing back on to the sd card should be supported. Sep 19 19:27:34 ogra_: and stgraber said on #-release that why did it not get stuck at the prepare page - not enough disk space Sep 19 19:27:51 ogra_: and if it didn't get stuck there, why didn't d-i offer auto-partitioning Sep 19 19:28:37 ogra_: see bug 1053030 Sep 19 19:28:37 Launchpad bug 1053030 in ubiquity "highly confusing UI on desktop when installation media is big enough and no external storage is attached" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053030 Sep 19 19:31:17 xnox, i think simply because mmc support in d-i is really not across the board Sep 19 19:31:51 when we started with arm it didnt have any at all Sep 19 19:32:13 and we only implemented bits on the go where we needed them ... the partitioner never was among these Sep 19 19:32:30 since we never used Sd as target before Sep 19 19:32:45 yeah, only in the pre-installed case. Sep 19 19:33:02 but no ubiquity in pre-installed case. Sep 19 19:33:04 sd wasn't a "target" in preinstalled, either. It was just, well, pre-installed. :P Sep 19 19:33:12 =))))) lolz Sep 19 19:33:21 (And it totally used ubiquity) Sep 19 19:33:30 yeah Sep 19 19:33:37 infinity: ok, no partman =))))) Sep 19 19:33:41 Right. Sep 19 19:33:42 ac100 images still work that way today Sep 19 19:33:43 Because no installing. Sep 19 19:33:51 right Sep 19 19:34:10 right. So who wants to implement partman-auto support for mmc Sep 19 19:34:20 in particular biggest_free should be doable. Sep 19 19:34:43 I don't honestly see why it should be different in any way from the /dev/sdX support. Sep 19 19:34:50 right Sep 19 19:34:53 Except that the device nodes are named differently. Sep 19 19:35:15 Otherwise, the partition tables are the same, the high level interfaces to talk to it all is the same. Sep 19 19:35:17 and its likely just some kind of case statement )or equivalent) that needs to be enhanced Sep 19 19:35:21 for some reason it is. I will poke it a bit. Sep 19 19:36:00 For some reason it none of the autopartitioning recipes qualify and it drops into manual partitioning, e.g. partman/choose_partition Sep 19 19:36:07 which breaks ubiquity's state-machine =) Sep 19 19:36:09 (Maybe a bit of sauce to make /dev/mmc* device filesystems be mounted with flash-friendly options would be nice, but that's actually a more widespread problem that also affect installing to USB sticks on /dev/sd* as well) Sep 19 19:36:29 there are several bugs about that Sep 19 19:36:34 TRIM support etc **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 20 02:59:57 2012