**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 20 02:59:58 2012
Sep 20 06:19:27 <TheMuso> c/
Sep 20 13:31:24 <ogra_> oh, ah !
Sep 20 13:32:15 <ogra_> stgraber, while concentrating on getting the framebuffer to work i didnt actually notice that tablet is already booting fine
Sep 20 13:32:27 * ogra_ is just reading /var/log/dmesg from the SD
Sep 20 13:32:53 <ogra_> [    17.361] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 13.0
Sep 20 13:32:53 <ogra_> [    17.361] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
Sep 20 13:32:53 <ogra_> [    17.361] (EE) No devices detected.
Sep 20 13:32:53 <ogra_> [    17.361]
Sep 20 13:32:55 <ogra_> HA !
Sep 20 13:35:50 <stgraber> ogra_: yay!
Sep 20 13:36:03 <stgraber> ogra_: what did you end up doing to have it boot?
Sep 20 13:36:15 <ogra_> damned, but that was an older boot, not the kernel i'm currently trying
Sep 20 13:37:00 <ogra_> stgraber, dunno, i'm wildly poking kernel config opts mainly to get some kind of console (HDMI, USB serial or LCD)
Sep 20 13:37:37 <ogra_> so if i can get back to that working kernel i should be able to set up wlan in /e/n/i and use ssh
Sep 20 13:38:34 <stgraber> ogra_: that'd be great!
Sep 20 13:38:56 * ogra_ goes back to the defconfig and starts over
Sep 20 13:39:13 <ogra_> luckily cross  building only takes a few seconds :)
Sep 20 13:40:59 <stgraber> ogra_: yeah, once you get through the initial 30-45min build, rebuilding with different options is really quick :)
Sep 20 13:41:57 <ogra_> 30-40 min ?
Sep 20 13:42:03 <ogra_> what kind of desktop do you have ?
Sep 20 13:42:23 <ogra_> i think building it with modules took under 5 min initially here
Sep 20 13:42:45 <ogra_> (though i run my development folders in a ramdisk....)
Sep 20 13:43:15 <zenx> Hi, i am failing to compile latest ti-omap kernel because of a "implicit function declaration" warning. Should I try and disable this or actually instantiate the function?
Sep 20 13:45:41 <ogra_> sigh, and now i cant get a single working boot anymore
Sep 20 13:45:42 <ogra_> fun
Sep 20 13:45:56 <ogra_> i should have checked /var/log eariler
Sep 20 13:50:42 <zenx> ogra_: When u use a ramdisk do u have a local repo to commit the changes or is this unversioned development?
Sep 20 13:51:18 <ogra_> unversioned
Sep 20 13:51:38 <zenx> ok
Sep 20 13:51:39 <ogra_> i have the git tree on disk though ... and copy it into the ramdisk as needed
Sep 20 14:21:38 <highvoltage> ogra_: so I hear you have something booting? that's awesome :)
Sep 20 14:21:45 <ogra_> i had
Sep 20 14:21:57 <ogra_> and i'm not at all sure which kernel that was
Sep 20 14:22:12 <ogra_> the timestamps on the logs are 4h old
Sep 20 15:18:38 <GrueMaster> ogra_: What system are you working on?
Sep 20 15:18:57 <ogra_> zatab
Sep 20 15:28:48 <ogra_> sigh, i really would like to know how it booted the last time
Sep 20 15:29:03 <ogra_> i think i went throuh all combos of u-boot and uImae now
Sep 20 15:29:10 <ogra_> *uImage
Sep 20 15:32:00 <GrueMaster> So, why not just run Ubunto on Android?
Sep 20 15:32:45 <ogra_> why would i do such insanity ? :)
Sep 20 15:33:33 * ogra_ doesnt really want to carry a monitor with the tablet all the time to make it run ubuntu :)
Sep 20 15:33:51 <GrueMaster> I'd better just not comment.  May not bode well for future relations.
Sep 20 15:34:10 <ogra_> i want to run native ubuntu :)
Sep 20 15:35:10 <GrueMaster> Is that even possible on arm still?
Sep 20 15:35:29 <GrueMaster> (yea, I went there).
Sep 20 15:35:53 <ogra_> hmm ?
Sep 20 15:35:56 <ogra_> sure it is
Sep 20 15:36:51 <gildean> we're on a channel called ubuntu-arm, hint hint
Sep 20 15:36:52 <gildean> :D
Sep 20 15:37:56 <GrueMaster> gildean: If you knew me and my background, you would better understand my reference.
Sep 20 15:39:25 <gildean> i was just joking, don't take it too seriously
Sep 20 15:42:27 * GrueMaster takes nothing seriously on these channels anymore.
Sep 20 15:43:34 <geotec> hallo pple! I am trying to compile kernel armel from scratch... cause i need to have CONFIG_AEABI=y and CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT=Y and CONFIG_ARM_THUMB=y (in order to get and older etch ARM(not armel!) chroot working with a needed toolchaing glibc 2.3.2) - Question: Why i fail compiling inside scratchbox with "/scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input f
Sep 20 15:44:05 <geotec> here is the output http://pastebin.com/e0uETWfg    ... it seems to do its job, but it stops on 'debbing' the headers
Sep 20 15:44:12 <ogra_> i doubt anyone in ubuntu land has ever used scratchbox
Sep 20 15:44:26 <geotec> well, me
Sep 20 15:44:30 <geotec> ;D
Sep 20 15:44:37 <LetoThe2nd> was just about to say the same - why not use the standard toolchain?
Sep 20 15:44:52 <geotec> LetoThe2nd: tell me more
Sep 20 15:45:05 <LetoThe2nd> geotec: apt-cache search gnueabi ;)
Sep 20 15:45:07 <ogra_> right, just a std cross compiler or a plain chroot with qemu-arm-static
Sep 20 15:45:54 <geotec> it has to be armel
Sep 20 15:46:30 <LetoThe2nd> geotec: so whats the problem?
Sep 20 15:46:54 <LetoThe2nd> geotec: just check what arm toolchains are in the repo and pick what ever you like.
Sep 20 15:48:16 <geotec> interesting.. approach..
Sep 20 15:51:08 <geotec> but i need a toolchaing like emdebian?
Sep 20 15:52:36 <LetoThe2nd> no, why should you?
Sep 20 15:53:07 <LetoThe2nd> the kernel is one of the things you can compile with mostly just the bare compiler (and some accesory tools)
Sep 20 15:53:41 <LetoThe2nd> (plus, emdebian is not really what i would call a "toolchain")
Sep 20 15:54:38 <geotec> yeah right. But how do i make a kernel package of it
Sep 20 15:54:39 <geotec> ?
Sep 20 15:55:11 <geotec> i mean, a debian kernel package
Sep 20 15:55:49 <LetoThe2nd> hmh, easiest is if the source is debianzied.
Sep 20 15:56:14 <geotec> the source is debianized
Sep 20 15:56:29 <LetoThe2nd> \o/ for hrw then:
Sep 20 15:56:30 <LetoThe2nd> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/03/26/ubuntu-12-04-precise-and-cross-compilation-of-arm-kernels/
Sep 20 15:56:41 <ogra_> yeah
Sep 20 15:56:41 <geotec> it gots all its rules and staff goes it way to the kernel package .. ok tnx i'll have a look
Sep 20 15:57:30 <geotec> we should be more precise on arm architectures.. there are so many differences oabi legacy abi eabi and now hard eabi
Sep 20 15:57:54 <ogra_> ubuntu only supports one :)
Sep 20 15:59:45 <LetoThe2nd> "one architecture to run them all" :P
Sep 20 16:00:20 <ogra_> (well, there is technically a rotting armv5 port in the archive nobody uses ... but thats not officially supported)
Sep 20 16:00:30 <geotec> LetoThe2nd: thaz my problem, i am working with an arm binary which is linked to  2.3.2 glibc
Sep 20 16:00:42 <geotec> but my kernel is armel and has no old eabi supporto
Sep 20 16:00:56 <geotec> o_O this is drivin'me crazy
Sep 20 16:01:08 <LetoThe2nd> geotec: i still do not see the problem. enable OABI and recompile the kernel.
Sep 20 16:01:24 <geotec> yeah trying to do that, i am working on your tip
Sep 20 16:03:30 <geotec> dpkg-buildpackage -b -aarmhf (this armhf toolchaing frightens me .. still gonna give it a try)
Sep 20 16:03:46 <geotec> toolchain* sorry for the tuple errors
Sep 20 16:03:53 <LetoThe2nd> well what ubuntu are you running?
Sep 20 16:04:20 <LetoThe2nd> if you're running a hf one, better stick to it. if not, then... not.
Sep 20 16:16:48 <infinity> geotec: I'd suggest that if you're trying to make OABI binaries work, there's probably something going fundamentally wrong in your life, and you might want to reexamine the choices that led here. :P
Sep 20 16:17:40 <ogra_> lol
Sep 20 16:17:42 <infinity> geotec: (Also, OABI support will likely drop out of the kernel very soon, we've already torn it out of glibc)
Sep 20 16:19:12 * ogra_ curses this tablet
Sep 20 16:19:57 <ogra_> it definitely loads the kernel
Sep 20 16:20:09 <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: shamanic curse?
Sep 20 16:20:21 <ogra_> (the LCD brightens up if the kernel initializes it)
Sep 20 16:20:38 <ogra_> but all my kernels dont seem to get thruh to booting a rootfs
Sep 20 16:20:39 <infinity> ogra_: I'm guessing you can't pop the back off and slap a JTAG in?
Sep 20 16:21:00 <infinity> Pretty hard to debug early kernel failures without some sort of serial love. :/
Sep 20 16:21:03 <ogra_> infinity, well, i just know that stgraber broke his display when opening his device ....
Sep 20 16:21:13 <ogra_> i dont really want to do that, the HW is fragile enough
Sep 20 16:21:31 <infinity> Get stgraber to send you his broken one to attach a JTAG to? ;)
Sep 20 16:21:31 <ogra_> infinity, well, i did it on the ac100 and succeeded
Sep 20 16:21:39 <GrueMaster> Does the device enable any serial ports on the host when usb is plugged in?
Sep 20 16:21:52 <ogra_> its not rocket science, just a matter of luck and time
Sep 20 16:21:54 <stgraber> infinity, ogra_: you can actually get a serial port on the emmc connector, the problem is that it's the same port you're booting from :)
Sep 20 16:22:12 <infinity> GrueMaster: If it did, that would almost certainly be a kernel driver that does that kind of magic, not firmware, so it would be useless for debugging the kernel itself.
Sep 20 16:22:22 <ogra_> stgraber, yeah, i'm experimenting with g_serial compiled in
Sep 20 16:22:37 <GrueMaster> infinity: Blaze had that feature w/o kernel booting.
Sep 20 16:22:40 <infinity> stgraber: Oh, that's a special "design".
Sep 20 16:22:42 <LetoThe2nd> sounds like that thing is totally braindead. apart from the fact that they obviously have been forced to admit right on their webpage that hdmi out is disfunctional.
Sep 20 16:22:53 <ogra_> GrueMaster, yeah, TI is lovely, isnt it :)
Sep 20 16:23:20 <infinity> GrueMaster: Blaze was also wildly overengineered for, like, engineers.  I've never seen a consumer device nearly as cool.
Sep 20 16:23:28 <geotec> infinity: i need to run an old arm binary linked against glibc <=2.3.2
Sep 20 16:23:42 <ogra_> infinity, well, the kernel uses some kind of pre DT devicetree feature, you can re-route any HW you like in a textfile :)
Sep 20 16:23:45 <infinity> geotec: Yeah, see above about "poor life decisions". :P
Sep 20 16:23:54 <infinity> geotec: Seriously, why would one need to do such a thing?
Sep 20 16:24:08 <geotec> cauz the arm binary is worth one year work?
Sep 20 16:24:20 <infinity> geotec: (But sure, if you do need to, and there's no way around it, recompiling a kernel with OABI flipped on and running an ancient Debian chroot seems "sane")
Sep 20 16:24:20 <ogra_> sadly the only documentation for this file format i can find is a chinese PDF :)
Sep 20 16:24:38 <ogra_> though i already found out how to switch displays etc
Sep 20 16:24:42 <geotec> infinity: what i am doing actually
Sep 20 16:24:43 <geotec> ;)
Sep 20 16:24:44 <infinity> geotec: It's a binary you have no source to, and no one knows where it came from? :/
Sep 20 16:25:00 <ogra_> (which doesnt help if the kernel doesnt make any use of fbcon)
Sep 20 16:25:31 <geotec> i need a kernel with old eabi support to run a etch chroot :D inside an arm device
Sep 20 16:26:04 <infinity> geotec: It's not "old eabi", just "old abi".  EABI was what replaced OABI.
Sep 20 16:26:07 <infinity> (Just nitpicking)
Sep 20 16:26:07 <geotec> otherwize i am doomed, what other choice do i have? Kill who came before me for choosing closed binaries from the heck, out of the world?
Sep 20 16:26:35 <ogra_> old eabi is probably the ganddad of both of them :)
Sep 20 16:26:37 <LetoThe2nd> "never touch a running system"? what kept netware alive?
Sep 20 16:26:54 <infinity> geotec: Or find something else that does the job.  Or find the people who produced the original binary?
Sep 20 16:27:28 <geotec> yeah right. Kinda stole the binary ;s
Sep 20 16:27:35 <geotec> not really stole, but almost
Sep 20 16:27:40 * infinity covers his ears.
Sep 20 16:27:47 <infinity> LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU.
Sep 20 16:27:50 <infinity> GOING AWAY NOW.
Sep 20 16:28:06 <geotec> lol
Sep 20 16:28:11 * LetoThe2nd hands infinity some iron maiden cds
Sep 20 16:29:08 <LetoThe2nd> anyways, time to leave ;)
Sep 20 16:29:53 * geotec wonders what was that thing about 'poor life decisions'.. :S
Sep 20 16:34:41 <geotec> you know, steal is something very strange to define on the web. Is getting something sincerly offered, you should not take a steal? Is like leaving donuts to indians saying: keep it there for me, i'll be back in a min
Sep 20 16:35:54 <geotec> whell i am morally way below indians... i admit
Sep 20 16:37:37 <geotec> for loggers: dont worry is just an update to an embedded device, which included this binary. They do not let the package without their hardware. I just grabbed the update and took what i needed
Sep 20 16:39:03 * geotec wonders where is everyone.. o_O 
Sep 20 16:47:42 <ogra_> oha
Sep 20 16:48:24 <ogra_> stgraber, ...
Sep 20 16:48:35 <ogra_> booting off USB key works flawless
Sep 20 16:48:48 <ogra_> i even have a mouse pinter now
Sep 20 16:49:00 <ogra_> using my panda USB key
Sep 20 16:49:53 <stgraber> oh, I never tried usb boot ;)
Sep 20 16:50:08 <ogra_> me neither, but it was clear the the kernel comes up fine
Sep 20 16:50:23 <GrueMaster> For which platform, zatab?
Sep 20 16:50:23 <ogra_> so it could only be a panic or issues mounting the rootfs
Sep 20 16:50:27 <ogra_> yes
Sep 20 16:50:28 <stgraber> ok, so the problem is that booting from emmc is that the kernel can't find the rootfs...
Sep 20 16:50:47 <ogra_> apparently, i now have a runningg system so i can start inspecing that part :)
Sep 20 16:51:08 <GrueMaster> sweet.
Sep 20 16:51:45 <stgraber> nice!
Sep 20 16:51:54 * ogra_ goes to find an usb hub so i can attach a kbd
Sep 20 16:52:41 <ogra_> hmm, and i better create an .xsession file so that it doesnt try to boot into unity all the time :)
Sep 20 16:53:14 <stgraber> ogra_: once you figure out the right kernel config to get emmc boot, can you try and add that to the script (maybe create a zatab branch on LP with the needed kernel/uboot/script.bin/...)?
Sep 20 16:54:23 <ogra_> stgraber, sure
Sep 20 16:55:34 <GrueMaster> But unity works everywhere, right?
Sep 20 16:55:37 <GrueMaster> :P
Sep 20 16:56:16 <ogra_> bah
Sep 20 16:56:23 <ogra_> adding a hub doesnt work :/(
Sep 20 16:57:01 <GrueMaster> You probably need a usb gadget host cable.
Sep 20 16:57:32 <ogra_> yes, the device only has micro USB ports
Sep 20 16:57:44 <ogra_> (read: i'm already using one)
Sep 20 16:59:49 <GrueMaster> Kernel probably not configured for it.  I know it kept going out of cycle on omap/omap4 images.
Sep 20 17:03:57 <ogra_> https://plus.google.com/107109423598372241322/posts
Sep 20 17:04:06 <ogra_> dunno if i have shared it the right way
Sep 20 17:04:16 * ogra_ isnt such a big g+ user
Sep 20 17:05:01 <stgraber> ogra_: "Oliver hasn't shared anything with you."
Sep 20 17:05:27 <ogra_> heck, how do i just publish something on g+ ?
Sep 20 17:05:57 <ogra_> unrestircted etc
Sep 20 17:06:10 <stgraber> ogra_: you need to make sure it's shared with "public"
Sep 20 17:06:19 <ogra_> if i click share i can only select groups or individuals
Sep 20 17:06:44 <ogra_> ah, found it
Sep 20 17:06:51 <ogra_> intuitive is something else though
Sep 20 17:06:58 <ogra_> stgraber, try again
Sep 20 17:07:06 <stgraber> yay, login screen on a tablet!
Sep 20 17:07:09 <stgraber> highvoltage: ^
Sep 20 17:07:10 <ogra_> right
Sep 20 17:07:23 <ogra_> no touch yet
Sep 20 17:07:39 <ogra_> and i cant attach a uhub, i think that draws to much power
Sep 20 17:07:53 <ogra_> so no mouse/kbd yet
Sep 20 17:08:05 <ogra_> bah and now DPMS kicked in
Sep 20 17:08:08 <stgraber> getting it to connect to wifi shouldn't be too difficult
Sep 20 17:08:21 <ogra_> oh, indeed, i was just wondering why it didnt
Sep 20 17:08:36 <ogra_> i should probably copy the modules onto the panda image :)
Sep 20 17:08:46 <stgraber> ajmitch managed to get wifi working pretty easily
Sep 20 17:08:59 <ogra_> well, i bet he had modules ;)
Sep 20 17:09:05 <stgraber> yeah :)
Sep 20 17:18:01 <ogra_> hmm, intresting, doesnt finish booting with the modules in place
Sep 20 17:19:26 * ogra_ removes them again
Sep 20 17:21:30 <ogra_> heh
Sep 20 17:21:35 <ogra_> boots fine
Sep 20 17:22:56 <stgraber> that's odd
Sep 20 17:23:17 <ogra_> well, some module or some firmware being evil here
Sep 20 17:25:01 <ogra_> ah, awesome, my USB 1.1 hub seems to work
Sep 20 17:25:22 <ogra_> hmm, or not
Sep 20 17:25:32 <ogra_> seems it goes into constant reboots now
Sep 20 17:26:48 <GrueMaster> Maybe it needs some QA?
Sep 20 17:28:12 <ogra_> no, power
Sep 20 17:28:43 <ogra_> i found a powered hub, lets see
Sep 20 17:30:54 <ogra_> yeah, mouse and kbd
Sep 20 17:32:24 <ogra_> and you can actually use ctrl-alt+t even on non GL systems to get a terminal up ... great
Sep 20 17:33:04 <ogra_> aha !
Sep 20 17:33:17 <ogra_> init: failed to open system console
Sep 20 17:33:21 <ogra_> all over dmesg
Sep 20 17:38:27 <ogra_> stgraber, insmodding the wlan driver gives me a hard hang
Sep 20 17:38:29 <ogra_> :/
Sep 20 17:38:46 <ogra_> so that device might have changed between pre-prod and today
Sep 20 17:39:21 <ogra_> next i'll try the fbcon module
Sep 20 17:42:18 <ogra_> ugh, these modules are also out of date
Sep 20 17:42:20 <ogra_> sigh
Sep 20 17:42:34 <ogra_> no woder wlan hangs it
Sep 20 17:43:15 <highvoltage> stgraber: omg
Sep 20 17:43:31 <ogra_> yeah, i know, i need to clean my desk
Sep 20 17:43:46 <ogra_> :)
Sep 20 17:46:24 <highvoltage> heh
Sep 20 17:46:47 <ogra_> oh cooool !
Sep 20 17:47:06 <ogra_> pressing the power button actually gets me a shutdown dialog, nice
Sep 20 17:47:07 <highvoltage> stgraber: I suddenly find it weird that we never considered trying USB
Sep 20 17:47:29 <stgraber> highvoltage: I don't have usb sticks
Sep 20 17:47:40 <ogra_> well, i dont think its actually USB vs MMC
Sep 20 17:47:58 <ogra_> i guess there is really something weird with the modules
Sep 20 17:47:58 <highvoltage> stgraber: yeah but they're $4 across the street :)
Sep 20 17:49:39 <ogra_> ok,. freshly built modules ...
Sep 20 17:49:44 * ogra_ starts over
Sep 20 17:52:07 <ogra_> hmm, hangs again ...
Sep 20 17:52:16 <ogra_> even though i should have the matching symbols now
Sep 20 17:52:22 <ogra_> thats wried
Sep 20 17:53:00 <ogra_> hmm, unbelivable
Sep 20 18:06:26 <ogra_> ok, so its definitely fbcon that kills it
Sep 20 18:26:17 <geotec> arm-linux-ld: unrecognized option '-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions' .. this is tricky :S
Sep 20 18:36:38 <TypoNAM> tried removing the comma ,  I don't think its suppose to be there
Sep 20 18:38:26 <geotec> i think is a bug cauz ld shouldnt be passed -Wl
Sep 20 18:38:29 <geotec> gcc is
Sep 20 18:42:16 <TypoNAM> hmmm, based off of some googling it should be -Wl,-B,symbolic-functions  so needs another comma ;)
Sep 20 19:35:24 <ogra_> hah, it helps to also disable android network crap isf you want network :P
Sep 20 19:36:01 <ogra_> silly stuff
Sep 20 19:49:26 <ogra_> grumble
Sep 20 19:50:15 <ogra_> so my /e/n/i network config doesnt get picked up and NM doesnt work in lightdm
Sep 20 19:52:25 <highvoltage> still on the zatab ogra_?
Sep 20 19:53:58 <ogra_> ogra@zatab:~$ uname -a
Sep 20 19:53:59 <ogra_> Linux zatab 3.0.38+ #29 PREEMPT Thu Sep 20 21:11:35 CEST 2012 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
Sep 20 19:53:59 <ogra_> ogra@zatab:~$
Sep 20 19:54:00 <ogra_> ;)
Sep 20 19:54:06 <ogra_> got ssh :)
Sep 20 20:06:30 <ajmitch> ogra_: so you're making progress with yours? I'd love to see what's different & work out why mine booted so easily :)
Sep 20 20:12:45 <ogra_> stgraber, hmm, i thought the a10 was a dual core
Sep 20 20:12:54 <ogra_> i dont see any second core here
Sep 20 20:14:08 <ogra_> oh, and i only have 400M
Sep 20 20:14:47 <ogra_> hmm, no, 325M
Sep 20 20:15:08 <ogra_> and a constant system load of 3.00
Sep 20 20:15:26 <ogra_> uh
Sep 20 20:15:29 <ogra_> bad plymouth
Sep 20 20:16:06 <stgraber> ogra_: nope, a10 isn't dual-core, it's a single core Cortex A8
Sep 20 20:16:18 <ogra_> wow, its pretty speedy for that
Sep 20 20:16:30 <stgraber> yeah, it's surprisingly good for an a8
Sep 20 20:27:43 <infinity> Is it remarkably speedier than, say, an mx53 (also a single-core A8)?
Sep 20 20:27:57 <ogra_> dunno
Sep 20 20:28:05 <ogra_> i have never touched an mx53
Sep 20 20:28:17 <infinity> Ahh.  Well, they're pretty speedy for what they are. :P
Sep 20 20:28:19 <ogra_> it feels a lot speedier than an XM
Sep 20 20:28:46 <infinity> And my guess is that the A10 is just a stock design from ARM, I somehow doubt that, at that pricepoint, they're employing brilliant engineers to tweak it.
Sep 20 20:30:16 <infinity> (Or it could be a relicensed part from another ARM licensee, like Freescale, just to confuse matters more)
Sep 20 20:30:43 <NekoXP> infinity, it's not speedier than an MX53.. except it's easy to find an A10 1.2GHz, you have to special order 1.2GHz MX53
Sep 20 20:30:49 <ogra_> well, no idea, it comes from deepeds china
Sep 20 20:31:27 <infinity> NekoXP: Indeed, getting parts out of Freescale is vaguely like pulling teeth.
Sep 20 20:31:30 <ogra_> might have stolen designs at fsl or developed something themselves
Sep 20 20:31:33 <NekoXP> it's also definitely not even close to i.MX or OMAP. An ARM reference design with some IP cores they generated themselves seems like the best bet, but a really fast turnaround and very little "optimization"
Sep 20 20:32:07 <NekoXP> as far as the docs I've seen it's about as far from i.MX as you can get, either they randomly changed every register or the IP is just different
Sep 20 20:32:19 <infinity> Heh.
Sep 20 20:32:26 <infinity> Yeah, I've not looked at one at all.
Sep 20 20:32:46 <ogra_> ogra@zatab:~$ cat /proc/meminfo |grep MemTotal
Sep 20 20:32:46 <ogra_> MemTotal:         331520 kB
Sep 20 20:32:54 <ogra_> thats definitely not right
Sep 20 20:32:58 <infinity> Though, I did say "relicensed from some licensee 'like Freescale'", I didn't imply it would have been Freescale.  Tons of people design A8-alike parts.
Sep 20 20:33:21 <NekoXP> a lot of IP comes out of China though. There's probably some dirty little video codec supplier around there that gave them a video decoder.. the display unit is a very reasonable and boring design.
Sep 20 20:33:28 <infinity> Just seems unlikely that, if pushing for volume and low cost, they'd employ any in-house engineering to reinvent any wheels.
Sep 20 20:33:44 <ogra_> infinity, its china, why would they relicense, they just take it :)
Sep 20 20:34:15 <infinity> ogra_: That only works as long as they don't want to sell into IP-whiney markets (like Europe and North America).
Sep 20 20:34:29 <ogra_> lol
Sep 20 20:34:31 <infinity> ogra_: If their goal was world domination, they have to play by our bizarre rules.
Sep 20 20:35:00 <ogra_> well, go to fairs in europe and find all the gucci and rolex made in china
Sep 20 20:35:23 <infinity> Yeahp, and Gucci tried to shut them down as they pop up.
Sep 20 20:35:28 <ogra_> didnt they even copy a complete BMW once ?
Sep 20 20:35:32 <NekoXP> Gucci probably makes all their stuff in china anyway
Sep 20 20:35:36 <infinity> But most of them are much harder to find than AllWinner, who's made themselves a large target.
Sep 20 20:35:41 <infinity> So, here's hoping they're playing nicely.
Sep 20 20:36:02 <ogra_> yeah, i'm indeed not serious here :)
Sep 20 20:36:02 <NekoXP> it's no wonder all that stuff gets Shanzhai treatment
Sep 20 20:36:18 <ogra_> anyway, enough tabletting for a day ...
Sep 20 20:36:25 * ogra_ wonders off to the TV
Sep 20 20:36:29 <infinity> Any day with tabletting is a bad day, IMO.
Sep 20 20:36:35 <highvoltage> thanks for doing it ogra_
Sep 20 20:36:36 <infinity> I'm still so not the target market for those things.
Sep 20 20:36:54 <highvoltage> ogra_: so does booting from USB make a difference?
Sep 20 20:37:01 <ogra_> highvoltage, well, now that i have it, i want to use it :)
Sep 20 20:37:08 * infinity goes back to arguing with clang.
Sep 20 20:37:09 <NekoXP> it could be that the IP in use is some standard FPGA library stuff. Some of it looks a lot like the things you'd find on opensource websites for Altera or Xilinx FPGAs
Sep 20 20:37:11 <ogra_> highvoltage, yeah, still cant boot from MMC
Sep 20 20:37:20 <infinity> I swear, I develop a new brain bleed every time I dive into this codebase.
Sep 20 20:37:39 <infinity> And it boggled the mind every time someone else claims it's "clean and well-written" or, my favourite "has great ARM support".
Sep 20 20:37:39 <ajmitch> ogra_: I didn't think mine was too different (got it from zareason at UDS), as it boots from MMC just fine
Sep 20 20:37:45 <infinity> s/boggled/boggles/
Sep 20 20:38:09 <ajmitch> infinity: their definition of 'great' might be that it compiles sometimes
Sep 20 20:38:24 <highvoltage> ajmitch: yeah there's definitely some difference between the two
Sep 20 20:38:32 <ogra_> ajmitch, well, might be pre-production
Sep 20 20:38:39 <infinity> ajmitch: Yeah, well.  There are some things about the llvm architecture that are pretty neat, and if we could go back in time a few decades, GCC could learn some lessons.
Sep 20 20:38:58 <infinity> ajmitch: But overall, the project is painful to work with, especially with their haphazard support for multiple architectures.
Sep 20 20:39:29 <infinity> And every small mistake llvm makes is magnified about four thousand times by clang's clunky interface on top.
Sep 20 20:39:39 <infinity> BUT I'M NOT BITTER.
Sep 20 20:40:10 <infinity> llvm as a backend to gcc might actually be easier to support than clang is.
Sep 20 20:41:06 <ajmitch> gcc's architecture has been driven by the fsf philosophy, not always in a good way
Sep 20 20:41:45 <infinity> Nope, GCC has a lot of warts, and a lot of things that are almost literally unfixable at this point.
Sep 20 20:41:58 <infinity> But llvm's hardly a utopia of software design either.
Sep 20 20:43:07 <XorA|gone> you should know by now open source devs just jump from cool eTLA to cool eTLA :-D
Sep 20 20:45:04 <infinity> Whatever.  Perl 4 lyfe, yo.
Sep 20 20:46:11 <TypoNAM> lol
Sep 20 20:46:25 <infinity> Anyhow.  Let's see if this hacked-up clang actually (A) builds, and (B) produces binaries that look kinda like armhf ones.
Sep 20 20:46:31 * infinity crosses his fingers.
Sep 20 21:42:09 <micahg> infinity: abiword keeps aborting on armel
Sep 20 21:44:09 <infinity> micahg: Yes, this is known.  Stop giving it back. :P
Sep 20 21:46:39 <micahg> infinity: I figured I wasn't running into the wall fast enough :P
Sep 20 21:47:23 <micahg> any idea when things might return to normalish?
Sep 20 21:47:40 <infinity> Not sure.  It's a catch-22 where hacking around this breaks other things.
Sep 20 21:47:45 <infinity> And fixing it properly is real effort.
Sep 20 23:39:37 <David7> Has anyone here built the kernel.org kernel using Ubuntu arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc?
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