**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 25 02:59:58 2012 Sep 25 06:37:41 ogra_: since the latest flash-kernel update was published, the first sd card partition is erased (mkdosfs) during the installer, and the the boot loader files are gone Sep 25 06:37:50 causing the image to not boot after the reboot Sep 25 06:38:30 don't know yet if plars created a bug for it already Sep 25 08:42:21 rsalveti, fixed, thanks for pointing it out ! Sep 25 08:44:13 plars, intresting that your file list in bug 1055938 contains all the .bak files ... the partition got accidentially reformatted instead of renamed, theoretically there should be no files to backup ... Sep 25 08:44:14 Launchpad bug 1055938 in flash-kernel "uboot and mlo not in boot partition after install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055938 Sep 25 08:44:43 * ogra_ wonders how broken the flash-kernel logic to make backup files is here Sep 25 11:30:19 ogra_, marvin24 does the newest l4t look good in your tests? I have yet to try it out Sep 25 11:32:27 janimo, still waiting for your kernel Sep 25 11:32:34 in precise? Sep 25 11:32:51 ogra_, but did not test with locally built images? Sep 25 11:32:52 i have the tarball for r16 ABI 13 here but wait for the kernel to be tested and uploaded Sep 25 11:33:02 thats for quantal Sep 25 11:33:07 ogra_, ah great Sep 25 11:33:17 preceise can come once we have the world working in quantal ;) Sep 25 11:33:28 well you could upload the package even so, does it regress if there's no abi13 yet anyway? Sep 25 11:33:37 janimo, marvin24 has thrown a test kernel around the last days Sep 25 11:33:39 I agree with precise needing the backport only Sep 25 11:33:55 there is an abi 13 since the weekend Sep 25 11:34:06 but i need the kernel too :) Sep 25 11:34:16 ogra_, ok will check it out. I was on holiday for the past week and yesterday so missed that Sep 25 11:34:34 yeah, no hurry as long as we get it in before final freeze :) Sep 25 11:34:56 i have no time for the driver this week either :) but the weekend is reserved for it Sep 25 11:35:05 (and we are in beta freeze anyway this week) Sep 25 11:36:18 first hit for l4t is still the older page with the backup info from during when their site had problems Sep 25 11:37:07 ogra_, are the quantal daily installers working for ac100? I still have precise on it Sep 25 11:37:45 ogra_, and the note says disable plymouth. I thought the latest kernel was supposed to fix the console bug? Sep 25 11:38:40 not for plymouth Sep 25 11:38:49 but the installer disables it anyway Sep 25 11:39:10 and yeah, quantal should work (lubuntu though) Sep 25 11:40:08 I am looking forward to trying lubuntu actually Sep 25 11:40:12 * janimo download Sep 25 11:40:13 s Sep 25 11:40:57 * ogra_ still fights with allwinner mmc handling Sep 25 11:41:16 ogra_, a new develboard? Sep 25 11:41:22 zatab Sep 25 11:41:28 ogra_, when did the preinstalled image links move? Sep 25 11:41:35 move ? Sep 25 11:41:53 well they moved under lubuntu Sep 25 11:42:03 instead of toplevel daily-preinstalled Sep 25 11:42:14 yes, with the switch to the flavour they end up there automatically Sep 25 11:42:28 toplevel is reserved for ubuntu indeed Sep 25 11:45:30 janimo: I didn't figured out yet why it doesn't resume, but we need a r16 kernel to quantal Sep 25 11:45:42 so I guess it's ok to make package Sep 25 11:45:51 ++ Sep 25 11:46:01 don't know what's the plan with precise though Sep 25 11:46:05 marvin24, sure, I agree we need the latest, just did not know how much testing it has already Sep 25 11:46:26 I didn't got much feedback Sep 25 11:48:01 we can fix minor bugs later, given that there will be no major updates to the r16 series anymore Sep 25 11:53:13 yeah Sep 25 12:12:17 oh, the 90's Sep 25 12:12:44 * janimo just booted up lubuntu for the first time ever Sep 25 13:18:34 ogra_: heya Sep 25 13:18:39 yo Sep 25 13:18:46 ogra_: so the .bak files are *not* empty Sep 25 13:18:47 thanks so much for the bug :) Sep 25 13:18:56 o_O Sep 25 13:19:02 how can that be Sep 25 13:19:03 ogra_: all of the .bak files there were the same as the original, except for uInitrd of course Sep 25 13:20:19 * ogra_ doesnt get where they come from ... looks like f-k was run multiple times durign the install Sep 25 13:46:34 ogra_: just to confirm, am I right in thinking that the issue with f-k not installing u-boot.bin and mlo back into the boot partition should be fixed already in todays image? Sep 25 13:46:52 dunno, only if there is a .1 i guess Sep 25 13:47:14 i uploaded it ~5h ago, but i dont know if anyone has re-spun the images since Sep 25 13:47:23 ogra_: ah, ok I see the upload now Sep 25 13:47:35 ogra_: it was unclear to me for a moment if it had already been fixed, or what Sep 25 13:47:42 I don't think so Sep 25 13:47:51 *I don't think there's been a respin since Sep 25 13:47:51 it has been fixed, but images need rebuilding Sep 25 13:47:55 yeah Sep 25 13:48:09 (and since its in the live-installer udeb it might be that a d-i upload is also needed) Sep 25 13:48:48 i'm not sure if l-i gets pulled in at the build or loaded only later Sep 25 14:09:39 ogra_: any reason why the daily is not compressed anymore? Sep 25 14:10:25 rsalveti, you mean img.gz ? Sep 25 14:10:30 ogra_: yup Sep 25 14:10:32 vs .img Sep 25 14:10:44 because there isnt much you can squeeze out of a squashfs :) Sep 25 14:10:52 by gzipping it Sep 25 14:11:33 read: the contents are compressed nowadays ... so we dont need to compress the image Sep 25 14:12:45 ogra_: 725M -> 648M Sep 25 14:12:57 pfft Sep 25 14:13:07 still a few megabytes :-) Sep 25 14:13:17 i'm willing to pay 70M for easier installation Sep 25 14:13:36 not having the zcat to gunzip mess is worth that Sep 25 14:13:48 (and not having to maintain a hack to the default image building) Sep 25 14:14:38 with the switch to live images we dropped all hacks ... i dont really want to introduce any arm hacks again just to save that bit ... i doubt we have users that have SD cards smaller than 1G Sep 25 14:17:21 ogra_: haha, ok, you convinced me :-) Sep 25 15:17:59 I wonder if it would be a lot faster to install 300MB of packages using chroot on an i5 than doing it on the pandaboard itself Sep 25 15:19:14 well, your limit is usually the SD :) Sep 25 15:19:29 if your I/O is faster on your PC, sure then Sep 25 15:20:30 yeah that's true unfortunately. I doubt that it's faster on the PC. are there big differences in SD card speed? Sep 25 15:21:41 not major, no Sep 25 15:21:55 you wont get above 15-20M/s anyway Sep 25 15:22:11 thats why we dropped that type of image in 12.10 Sep 25 15:23:47 what type of image? Sep 25 15:24:00 SD card images Sep 25 15:24:16 oh Sep 25 15:24:24 from 12.10 on we only provide live and alternate (as x86 does) Sep 25 15:24:39 with USB disk as suggested target device Sep 25 15:25:24 there is a desktop preinstalled image for armhf though Sep 25 15:25:29 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ Sep 25 15:26:18 thats not preinstalled Sep 25 15:26:42 oh, right. Sep 25 15:26:48 Hi! Which command can give me details about audio device used in BeagleBoard XM? (Like how lspci does on x86) Sep 25 15:27:17 orated, cat /proc/asound/cards Sep 25 15:27:27 (like on every other linux) Sep 25 15:28:48 sauerbraten: Did the server image work for you yesterday? Sep 25 15:30:33 GrueMaster: yes it is still running strong and currently installing xubuntu-desktop Sep 25 15:30:50 I had to use chroot to install the wpasupplicant package though Sep 25 15:31:22 why does the server image support WEP but no WPA2? who in there right mind would still use WEP? Sep 25 15:31:25 Hmmm. Odd. Sep 25 15:32:15 i guess the assumption is simply that you dont use WLAN on servers so its not well maintained Sep 25 15:32:24 ogra_: hardware* details for on-baord audio CODEC used in XM. Like how lspci -vv or /proc/cpuinfo or lsusb does for hardware detected Sep 25 15:32:33 While I admit I haven't tested anything Ubuntu related since March, I had a test for wifi on a netinstall image that worked during early 12.04-alpha. Sep 25 15:32:46 orated, cat /proc/asound/cards Sep 25 15:32:53 well. Ok Sep 25 15:32:53 or read dmesg :) Sep 25 15:33:19 thanks Sep 25 15:34:05 orated: The beagleXM doesn't have any interface like pci that makes device discovery easy. And iirc, audio is connected to the i2c bus, which is even more fun. Sep 25 15:34:21 most arm boards dont have pci Sep 25 15:34:30 Yes, there is no PCI which is why asked how it detects Sep 25 15:34:34 (though thats slowly changing with arm server boards appearing) Sep 25 15:34:39 Ah-ok Sep 25 15:35:47 Even on x86, audio is on a separate bus (HD Audio bus). That bus is run off pci, but even on x86, lspci will only show you HD Audio, not the actual audio device spec. Sep 25 15:36:29 GrueMaster, why did you leave ubuntu-arm ? Sep 25 15:36:40 GrueMaster: Yep, thanks. Sep 25 15:36:40 not owning any arm devices anymore ? Sep 25 15:36:42 :) Sep 25 15:36:57 (talking about the team here) Sep 25 15:37:53 ogra_: Why should I stay? My working knowledge is dwindling fast. And I still have my panda pool (although it is down to 6 systems). But they are mostly idle, just running SETI. Sep 25 15:38:13 And I don't have time (or much desire) to do anything else with them. Sep 25 15:38:16 well, you still support people here etc Sep 25 15:38:32 your decision though Sep 25 15:38:55 Only because it is the right thing to do. But as new releases come out, my support will lessen. Sep 25 15:40:03 Having all of my wiki documents slowly being clobbered by incompitence doesn't help with my disposition. Sep 25 15:40:22 haha Sep 25 15:42:24 For example, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install. Sep 25 15:42:36 yeah ... Sep 25 15:42:45 territory of the server team Sep 25 15:42:54 i dont step in there anymore :) Sep 25 15:43:45 * ogra_ goes for a coffee Sep 25 15:43:58 My point exactly. There stopped being an Ubuntu Arm team in February. Sep 25 15:50:23 Besides, I'm not thrilled by the current direction Ubuntu is heading. Bug 1054282 is but one example. Sep 25 15:50:24 Launchpad bug 1054282 in unity-lens-shopping "No obvious way to restrict shopping suggestions from displaying adult products" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054282 Sep 25 16:07:31 ogra_: I can see omap3beagle listed in cat /proc/asound/cards but there is nothing like snd-soc-omap3beagle in lsmod, is that how it should be? Sep 25 16:11:35 orated: Check /boot/config-* to see if the driver is created as a module (=m) or built in to the kernel (=y). Sep 25 16:11:51 If it is built in, it will not show up in lsmod. Sep 25 16:17:20 GrueMaster: CONFIG_SND_OMAP_SOC_OMAP3_BEAGLE=y. Thanks! What is /boot/config-* file? Sep 25 16:30:24 That is the kernel config used to build that kernel. Sep 25 17:43:29 how can I get 720p or even 1080p video running on the omap4 server installation with xubuntu-desktop? btw: works like a charm, GrueMaster Sep 25 17:46:49 sauerbraten: I think if you install the omap4 powervr stuff, you should be able to get working video playback. It used to be in a ppa that was added to your source.list by a script and icon on the ubuntu-desktop. Let me see if I can find it. Sep 25 17:48:04 mhm I even think it is installable using jockey (that additional drivers dialog) at least ubuntu offered it to me. let me check Sep 25 17:48:19 sauerbraten: Try installing the ti-omap4-software-channel package. Sep 25 17:48:35 ah dang, still installing some gstreamer plugins Sep 25 17:48:44 That should allow you to enable toe ppa. Sep 25 17:49:01 k I'll give jockey a go first though, that seems more stable to me :) Sep 25 17:50:48 I think Jockey will need the above package installed first, but I could be wrong. Sep 25 17:51:36 Well, this can't be good. My remote ssh to my home system is down. Sep 25 17:51:52 I will try. Also, sound worked out of the box, at least on HDMI. alsamixer shows me the default "Panda" device too, but pulse doesn't. playing anything on the "panda" device using vlc fails though Sep 25 17:52:03 Not a network issue, as I am running Quassel Core on another system (hence my irc presence). Sep 25 17:53:01 sauerbraten: That is a separate issue (that I resolved numerous times). I think there is a bug filed on launchpad.net for each release. Sep 25 18:19:41 GrueMaster: ok. I added ti-omap4-software-channel, but jockey didn't give me anything. anyway, the update manager bugged me about updates which I am now running, those include the linux-omap4 kernel Sep 25 18:20:13 hopefully that won't wreck the system again (it did with a minimal ubuntu image I tried yesterday) Sep 25 18:36:15 sauerbraten: There may be some other steps to take. I can't remember and I have no access to a system currently to test with (remote ssh is down). Sep 25 21:48:08 how do I install the pvr-omap4 driver when jockey doesn't find it and ti-omap4-software-channel doesn't help? Sep 25 21:49:07 also, I have ti-omap4-ppa and ti-omap4-software-channel in my repos, and they conflict with each other Sep 25 21:53:47 I found that ti-omap4-ppa added a file /usr/share/app-install/channels/ti-omap4-ppa.list containing the ppa repo line but "oneiric", not precise. how does that package come into my repos? Sep 25 22:13:54 mhm, I think I solved it. cleaned up a mess of sources and am now installing ubuntu-omap4-extras. we'll see what that does **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 26 02:59:58 2012