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Oct 05 11:52:31 <ogra_> infinity, i'm just uploading tegra and tegra3 drivers with the broken libs, please have a look (i added a changelog note about the libs and documented a manual workaround in the bug)
Oct 05 12:37:55 <stulluk> Hi
Oct 05 12:38:34 <stulluk> I have an ARM based hardware, with CPU ARM 926 EJS @216Mhz
Oct 05 12:38:42 <stulluk> Flash is 32Mbyte NOR
Oct 05 12:38:50 <stulluk> DRAM is 256Mbyte DDR2
Oct 05 12:39:05 <stulluk> Is it possible to use ubuntu arm on this platform?
Oct 05 12:48:14 <XavB> ogra_: rsalveti: ndec: I can see that trunk PPA is almost full: 2.7 GiB (89.99%) of 3.0 GiB. Is it possible to increase the size to prevent problems?
Oct 05 12:48:34 <ndec> oops...
Oct 05 12:48:49 <ogra_> iirc you can ask in #launchpad for that, yeah
Oct 05 12:49:54 <lilstevie> stulluk, no, the ARM-926 is ARMv5T from the small bit of googling I just did. support was dropped for that quite a while ago. you might have some luck with debian though
Oct 05 12:53:25 <XavB> ogra_: who shall I ask to  on #launchpad?
Oct 05 12:58:14 <ogra_> XavB, hmm, no idea, i would just assk into the room what it takes to raise the limit
Oct 05 13:26:25 <VarmVaffel> how do I go by making the linux kernel boot in a verbose mode?
Oct 05 13:26:56 <VarmVaffel> do I have to recompile it with some setting, or can I add some arguments to e.g. the bootloader?
Oct 05 13:27:20 <ogra_> put earlyprintk on the kernel cmdline and drop quiet
Oct 05 13:28:44 <VarmVaffel> I see, thanks
Oct 05 13:29:52 <VarmVaffel> Do I have to have the earlyprintk print to another UART, or can I point both the console and it to the same?
Oct 05 13:30:12 <ogra_> it will always print to the console you have set
Oct 05 13:30:32 <ogra_> if oyu have more than one console= option, the first one is for kernel, the second is for userspace
Oct 05 13:31:25 <VarmVaffel> ah right think I understand
Oct 05 13:31:47 <ogra_> if you have only one it will be used for both
Oct 05 13:31:48 <VarmVaffel> I was looking at some u-boot examples here and it specifiesa another uart every time
Oct 05 13:31:57 <VarmVaffel> a separate one from the console
Oct 05 13:32:05 <ogra_> if you have none, the default will be used (usually console=tty1)
Oct 05 13:32:13 <VarmVaffel> right ok
Oct 05 13:40:17 <VarmVaffel> bah it was already at max verbosity I think
Oct 05 13:40:24 <VarmVaffel> :[
Oct 05 14:03:17 <plars> ogra_: heya, around?
Oct 05 14:05:44 <ogra_> plars, yes, but in meetings for eth rest of the day (atrting in 5 min)
Oct 05 14:05:47 <ogra_> *starting
Oct 05 14:05:56 <ogra_> whats up ?
Oct 05 14:06:30 <plars> ogra_: just wanted to catch up on a couple of things I'm seeing on panda, ping me if you have one finish early and have a few minutes?
Oct 05 15:03:53 <ogra_> plars, shoot
Oct 05 15:04:31 <plars> ogra_: couple of minor but annoying oddities that I'm curious if they're specific to something I have, or if you see them too
Oct 05 15:04:54 <plars> ogra_: 1. on desktop image, when I first boot, sometimes the keyboard doesn't work unless I disconnect/reconnect
Oct 05 15:05:14 <plars> reconnect the keyboard thatis
Oct 05 15:05:18 <ogra_> hmm, havent had that here ... sounds like a race in udev
Oct 05 15:05:48 <ogra_> everything being on USB surely causes some high traffic
Oct 05 15:05:59 <plars> not sure if it's specific to this keyboard, I don't have another I can easily use at the moment but if it's something others are seeing, then maybe it's not just this keyboar
Oct 05 15:06:02 <ogra_> (disc, NIC, input devices)
Oct 05 15:06:05 <plars> yeah
Oct 05 15:06:19 <ogra_> i havent heard from others about this yet
Oct 05 15:06:30 <ogra_> file a bug though, i think its bugworthy
Oct 05 15:06:58 <plars> ogra_: suggestions on where it would go though? udev?
Oct 05 15:07:18 <ogra_> or kernel
Oct 05 15:07:22 <plars> ok
Oct 05 15:07:26 <ogra_> start with udev though
Oct 05 15:07:31 <plars> sounds good
Oct 05 15:07:35 <plars> 2. audio
Oct 05 15:07:36 <ogra_> ppisati is busy enough :)
Oct 05 15:07:47 <plars> I get popping noises sometimes on jack audio, but not over hdmi
Oct 05 15:07:51 <ogra_> hedphones should work OOTB
Oct 05 15:08:04 <plars> ogra_: right, that's the default
Oct 05 15:08:08 <ogra_> ah, hdmi works (i have no monitor with speakers)
Oct 05 15:08:13 <plars> I do :)
Oct 05 15:08:18 <ogra_> great
Oct 05 15:08:25 <plars> it doesn't work automatically, you have to switch it by hand
Oct 05 15:08:34 <ogra_> well, popping means that the amp isnt murted during power up/down
Oct 05 15:08:54 <ogra_> yeah, it would work if we had pulseaudio profiles
Oct 05 15:09:06 <ogra_> iirc we have support for them but nobody added any
Oct 05 15:09:27 <plars> ok, so that's pulseaudio related you think?
Oct 05 15:09:40 <ogra_> no
Oct 05 15:09:45 <ogra_> the popping is the driver
Oct 05 15:09:53 <ogra_> no auto switching to hdmi is pulse
Oct 05 15:10:05 <plars> ok
Oct 05 15:10:43 <ogra_> might probably make a good wishlist bug
Oct 05 15:12:19 <plars> yeah
Oct 05 15:13:26 <plars> ogra_: those were the main things at the moment, I saw that the usb keyboard issue on server installs was fixed, so I'll retry that today too and actually try to do the server on the console rather than over serial
Oct 05 15:13:30 <plars> thanks ogra_
Oct 05 15:14:27 <ogra_> plars, i'm not sure ppisati fixed it on panda, i know he looked into begale for the kbd stuff
Oct 05 15:15:59 <plars> ogra_: ok, all the more reason to check it today :)
Oct 05 15:16:28 <ogra_> :)
Oct 05 15:18:15 <ppisati> the usb problem was just panda related
Oct 05 15:18:25 <ogra_> ah
Oct 05 15:18:27 <ppisati> ATM omap3 is really screwed (at least on my hw)
Oct 05 15:18:36 <ogra_> i thought you looked into beagle
Oct 05 15:18:45 <ppisati> i'm looking into beagle now
Oct 05 15:18:46 <ogra_> ppisati, well, its unsupported anyway
Oct 05 15:18:54 <ppisati> ogra_: beagle?
Oct 05 15:18:57 <ogra_> yes
Oct 05 15:19:01 <ppisati> ah
Oct 05 15:19:14 <ogra_> we only carry it through because its "for free"
Oct 05 15:19:21 <ppisati> upstream + one patch and usb is quite ok
Oct 05 15:19:26 <ogra_> fixing bugs there is best effort
Oct 05 15:19:38 <ppisati> with our kernel, for some obscrure config screw, the usb hub is ENTIRELY dead
Oct 05 15:19:39 <ogra_> but not mandatory
Oct 05 15:19:48 <ogra_> wow
Oct 05 15:20:17 <ppisati> i;ve been bisecting the hell out of my BEEP for the last 3 days
Oct 05 15:20:35 <ppisati> still didn't found what's so different from our kernel and upstream
Oct 05 15:47:27 <plars> ogra_, ppisati: just hit a problem with pvr-omap when running dist-upgrade after installing todays -desktop image
Oct 05 15:47:46 <ogra_> tell me
Oct 05 15:51:20 <plars> waiting on the update to finish
Oct 05 15:56:19 <ppisati> plars: i'm not pvr-omap maintainer
Oct 05 15:56:42 <ogra_> and rsalveti is traveling
Oct 05 15:56:59 <ogra_> (and busy in other projects)
Oct 05 15:57:09 <plars> ppisati: it was the kernel update that was happening when I hit the dkms issue
Oct 05 15:57:28 <ogra_> oh, dkms
Oct 05 15:57:43 <plars> run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.5.0-17-omap /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-17-omap
Oct 05 15:58:00 <plars> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.5.0-17-omap (armv7l)
Oct 05 15:58:33 <ogra_> hmpf
Oct 05 15:59:50 <ogra_> plars, i think there should be a dkms build log somewhere
Oct 05 15:59:56 <plars> ogra_: yes, looking at it now
Oct 05 16:00:11 <plars> looks like it was missing omap_priv.h?
Oct 05 16:00:24 <plars> Also there's an error...
Oct 05 16:00:28 <ogra_> so kernel header issue ....
Oct 05 16:00:38 <plars> #error "A preemptible Linux kernel is required when using workqueues"
Oct 05 16:00:40 <ogra_> hmm, priv was gone i thought
Oct 05 16:00:55 <ogra_> our kernel is preemt, no ?
Oct 05 16:01:05 <ogra_> *preempt
Oct 05 16:01:10 <plars> yes, it would seem to be
Oct 05 16:01:18 <ogra_> weird
Oct 05 16:01:26 <ogra_> dkms is such black magic
Oct 05 16:01:26 <plars> just checked that CONFIG_PREEMPT=y in config
Oct 05 16:02:01 <plars> snap, I forgot to sacrifice the chicken and pour the blood on my laptop before compiling
Oct 05 16:02:06 <plars> :)
Oct 05 16:02:19 <ogra_> heh
Oct 05 16:04:16 <GrueMaster> Sigh, plars, how many times must I show you how to incite the satanic rituals of dkms installs?  :P
Oct 05 16:07:12 <GrueMaster> iirc, the chicken is used to dust off the monitor (wax on, wax off), while dancing to Gangnam Style.
Oct 05 16:07:35 <ogra_> nekkid
Oct 05 16:08:21 <GrueMaster> With two strips of bacon on each shoulder.
Oct 05 16:08:25 * plars makes a note to never accept a google hangout invite from GrueMaster or ogra_ 
Oct 05 16:08:37 <ogra_> lol
Oct 05 16:08:52 <lilstevie> lol
Oct 05 16:11:26 <rsalveti> plars: can you paste the logs?
Oct 05 16:11:37 <rsalveti> I know there might be an issue when installing the headers package
Oct 05 16:11:49 <plars> rsalveti: yes, working on it, but desktop on panda is crazy-slow
Oct 05 16:11:51 <rsalveti> which can accidentally pull the omap 3 headers as well
Oct 05 16:11:57 <plars> my browser finally came up
Oct 05 16:12:21 <plars> but my mouse isn't showing up at the moment...
Oct 05 16:12:27 <rsalveti> oh
Oct 05 16:12:29 <rsalveti> that's weird
Oct 05 16:12:45 <rsalveti> plars: the headers/links are kind of messy at this point
Oct 05 16:12:50 <rsalveti> for the dkms packages
Oct 05 16:13:01 <plars> yeah, I don't think it should be this bad
Oct 05 16:13:29 <plars> there's a fair chance it's hung, but I'll give it a minute. ctrl-alt-f1 isn't getting me to a console
Oct 05 16:13:53 <ogra_> rsalveti, not only for dkms
Oct 05 16:14:04 <ogra_> kernel headers in arm are a massive mess in general
Oct 05 16:14:21 <ogra_> dues to no subarch support in dpkg and friends
Oct 05 16:27:03 <rsalveti> exactly
Oct 05 16:27:13 <rsalveti> afaik infinity is working on that
Oct 05 16:32:28 <plars> finally
Oct 05 16:32:43 <plars> bug #1062407
Oct 05 16:32:44 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1062407 in pvr-omap4 "pvr-omap4 1.9.0.5.1.1-0ubuntu4: pvr-omap4 kernel module failed to build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1062407
Oct 05 16:32:47 <ogra_> you need faster usb keys
Oct 05 16:32:49 <plars> ogra_, rsalveti ^
Oct 05 16:33:51 * ogra_ really doesnt get that preempt stuff
Oct 05 16:34:08 <plars> ogra_: yeah, I do.  It's such a gamble buying these things though.  I bought 2 of these pny sticks that I'm using now because 2 other people I talked to said they worked great.  They are barely usable for arm rootfs, and they are useless for other installs from usb because they can't be booted from
Oct 05 16:34:25 <ogra_> supertalen ones are pretty great
Oct 05 16:34:32 <ogra_> but also pretty expensive
Oct 05 16:34:46 <ogra_> ther have a real SSD attached in the backend
Oct 05 16:34:57 <ogra_> *supertalent
Oct 05 16:35:59 <ogra_> "for kernel 3.5.0-17-omap"
Oct 05 16:36:01 <ogra_> yeah
Oct 05 16:36:21 <ogra_> plars, ^^^ from your log
Oct 05 16:37:21 <plars> ogra_: yes, but the one I'm on is 3.5.0-212-omap4 after the update
Oct 05 16:37:34 <ogra_> omap vs omap4
Oct 05 16:37:49 <ogra_> it uses the totally wrong headers
Oct 05 16:39:14 <plars> ogra_: so this is related to the kernel header mess you previously mentioned
Oct 05 16:39:21 <ogra_> yes
Oct 05 16:39:22 <rsalveti> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.5.0-17-omap :-)
Oct 05 16:39:23 <rsalveti> yeah
Oct 05 16:39:36 <ogra_> these shouldnt be installed
Oct 05 16:39:38 <rsalveti> plars: just remove the omap3 headers package
Oct 05 16:40:01 <plars> rsalveti: how did those get introduced though? The install I started from was today's omap4 image
Oct 05 16:40:03 <rsalveti> guess they might be installed as a dependency from dkms
Oct 05 16:40:10 <rsalveti> the headers-generic or such
Oct 05 16:40:19 <ogra_> either that or there is some seed mess
Oct 05 16:40:24 * ogra_ takes a look 
Oct 05 16:40:34 <ogra_> could be that they are seeded for build-essential
Oct 05 16:40:49 <rsalveti>  linux-headers-generic-pae | linux-headers-686-pae | linux-headers-amd64 | linux-headers-generic | linux-headers,
Oct 05 16:41:13 <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Devel/seeds/ubuntu.quantal$ grep omap *
Oct 05 16:41:13 <ogra_> desktop: * (linux-headers-omap4) [armhf armel]
Oct 05 16:41:16 <rsalveti> we should just remove them from recommends
Oct 05 16:41:17 <ogra_> hmm, no
Oct 05 16:41:31 <ogra_> yeah
Oct 05 16:42:57 <rsalveti> ogra_: plars: bug 960770
Oct 05 16:42:57 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 960770 in dkms "Packages requiring dkms at Pandaboard (omap 4) will also pull linux-headers-generic because current dkms dependencies" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960770
Oct 05 16:43:08 <ogra_> great, duplicate then
Oct 05 16:44:41 <rsalveti> I believe we had a thread at the kernel ml about that
Oct 05 16:44:43 * rsalveti searching
Oct 05 16:45:46 <plars> ah
Oct 05 16:51:07 <rsalveti> plars: so while annoying, it should not break anything at your side
Oct 05 16:51:51 <plars> rsalveti: yeah, gotcha
Oct 05 17:35:23 <plars> ogra_, rsalveti: either of you been insane enough to try launching libreoffice on panda recently? seems to be crashing on startup for me
Oct 05 17:45:32 <infinity> wookey: I might have to postpone that glibc talk with you until next week, my day's getting busier than expected.
Oct 05 18:08:20 <rsalveti> infinity: wookey is gone already anyway
Oct 05 18:08:45 <infinity> rsalveti: I figured, since he said he had plans this evening. :)
Oct 05 18:11:14 <rsalveti> infinity: :-)
Oct 05 18:15:32 <ogra_> plars, argh, no i havent
Oct 05 18:16:23 <GrueMaster> plars: That is usually done by QA.  Oh, wait....
Oct 05 18:16:23 <plars> ogra_: trying to see if I can get someone to reproduce it. I tried all of the lo apps and they all crash on startup for me
Oct 05 18:16:37 <ogra_> infinity, not sure if you saw that in yur backlog: i'm just uploading tegra and tegra3 drivers with the broken libs, please have a look (i added a changelog note about the libs and documented a manual workaround in the bug)
Oct 05 18:17:02 <infinity> ogra_: Fun. :/
Oct 05 18:17:25 <ogra_> infinity, its identical to tegra2, just different binaries and versions
Oct 05 18:17:26 <infinity> ogra_: Do you have a firm promise from srwarren to get it fixed so you can SRU?
Oct 05 18:17:54 <ogra_> i have a promise from the actual dev :) but no ETA
Oct 05 18:18:48 <infinity> Mmkay.
Oct 05 18:22:27 <ogra_> plars, if its reproducable i guess we should unseed libO again
Oct 05 18:22:31 <ogra_> damned
Oct 05 18:23:29 * ogra_ goes back to friday evening stuff
Oct 05 18:56:27 <wookey> infinity: main glibc issue http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=33763 seems to be fixed today
Oct 05 18:56:32 <ubot2> gcc.gnu.org bug 33763 in c "[4.6/4.7/4.8 Regression] Bogus inlining failed in call to `xxx': redefined extern inline functions are not considered for inlining" [Normal,New: ]
Oct 05 18:56:57 <wookey> but now it's barfing with check_fds.c:64:1: error: 'AT_FDCWD' undeclared
Oct 05 21:54:49 <ztjord> Hey guys - I'm trying to get QEMU to work in Ubuntu Precise Pangolin and emulate an ARM system running Precise Pangolin or Lucid Lynx.  Has anyone here successfully done this?
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