**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 12 03:00:02 2012 Oct 12 08:51:02 ogra_: check your mbox Oct 12 08:53:03 damn, i dont have one Oct 12 08:53:10 * ogra_ uses maildir :P Oct 12 08:53:20 :) Oct 12 08:54:12 * XorA opens the gates to the religious mailbox format war Oct 12 08:54:24 jsalisbury tested Q/omap4 beta and he said the installer doe4sn't show up immediately, he needs to switch tty and back to get the screen Oct 12 08:55:17 ogra_: ^ Oct 12 08:57:31 hmpf Oct 12 08:57:43 yeah, i see the mail Oct 12 08:57:59 i would suspect plymouth Oct 12 09:01:44 actually since we switched to a live installer we are already running unity dyring the install, right? so the pvr driver, right? Oct 12 09:01:51 *during Oct 12 09:04:43 we arent runing unity (ubiquity uses metacity and a simple gtk panel) but yeah. the pvr driver Oct 12 09:04:59 do we have a bug open for this ? Oct 12 09:05:11 no, because he just discovered it Oct 12 09:05:32 i can try daily image and fill a bug if you are too busy Oct 12 09:05:58 i heard something similar before and was alredy pondering to shipü an xorg.conf that forces fbdev during the installation Oct 12 09:06:46 shall i fill it against... plymouth? pvr? Oct 12 09:06:51 i'll try this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.img Oct 12 09:14:58 pvr i guess Oct 12 09:29:29 ogra_: i've a blue screen Oct 12 09:29:44 ogra_: not smurf, really electric blue :) Oct 12 09:30:03 and indeed switching fixes it Oct 12 09:30:33 * ppisati wonders if we have the same problem after the installation... Oct 12 09:32:02 ok, ubiquity exploded in my face so i couldn't finish the installation Oct 12 09:32:23 oO( *kaboom* ) Oct 12 09:33:00 ppisati: did you connect an external usb hard drive or the usb stick as installation target? Oct 12 09:33:07 ppisati: which instructions did you use? Oct 12 09:33:33 xnox: installing on the sd card actually Oct 12 09:33:55 ppisati: that won't work with 12.10 ;-) Oct 12 09:34:06 xnox: it did in the past iirc Oct 12 09:34:06 ppisati: unless you pre-partitioned it. Oct 12 09:35:00 ogra_: we need to update installation instructions on the wiki. Oct 12 09:35:19 ogra_: as all the desktop install instructions talk about preinstalled tarballs, instead of live installer =/ Oct 12 09:48:26 xnox, on my list :) Oct 12 09:50:00 ogra_: on your list, yet it's me who gets the bugs assigned =))))) Oct 12 09:50:41 i'll try to get to it today Oct 12 09:50:52 lp 1065902 Oct 12 09:50:53 Launchpad bug 1065902 in pvr-omap4 "black/blue screen before installer, tty switches fixes it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065902 Oct 12 09:51:06 i'm doing a complete installation just to see if everything is ok after Oct 12 10:19:03 "an unrecoverable error... blablabla.. now a dekstop session will start so you can fix it" Oct 12 10:19:06 black screen again Oct 12 10:19:19 tty switch and there it is my desktop session Oct 12 10:24:40 rsalveti: i'm assigning the pvr part of 1065902 to you Oct 12 10:26:16 ogra_: you wanna take the plymouth part? Oct 12 10:50:16 infinity, hrm, the tegra driver ftbfs in dh_slibdeps now ... would you let the package in if i just completely override that step ? Oct 12 10:51:15 its not like it ever has done anything useful anyway Oct 12 10:51:34 (apart from moaning about the plugin libs) Oct 12 10:58:35 ogra_: Or, you could tell it where to look for its libraries... Oct 12 10:59:05 well, it doesnt fail in a local precise build Oct 12 11:00:22 override_dh_shlibdeps: Oct 12 11:00:22 dh_shlibdeps -l${PWD}/debian/nvidia-tegra/usr/lib/nvidia-tegra Oct 12 11:00:26 something like that ? Oct 12 11:00:34 Indeed. Oct 12 11:00:42 Should shut up all the warnings, and the two errors. Oct 12 11:00:52 Or three, or however many there were. Oct 12 11:01:11 * ogra_ tries Oct 12 11:01:31 No need for the ${PWD}/ bit, though, you should always be relative to the package build dir. Oct 12 11:01:37 -ldebian/foo/bar is enough. Oct 12 11:02:04 well, still warnings about the missing SONAMEs Oct 12 11:02:17 in the plugin libs Oct 12 11:03:16 Hold on, let me look at this for a sec. Oct 12 11:04:27 Gah, why is that in universe? Oct 12 11:04:59 ogra_: Will your world explode if I move it where it belongs? Oct 12 11:05:14 not at all Oct 12 11:05:20 dunno why it landed there Oct 12 11:05:40 it used to be in restricted Oct 12 11:05:54 It's in universe in precise too, so I guess someone just messed up way back when. :/ Oct 12 11:05:57 Oh well, moving it in Q. Oct 12 11:06:12 To multiverse, not restricted. Oct 12 11:06:35 k Oct 12 11:07:19 i wonder if dh_shlibdeps got more strict in quantal Oct 12 11:07:29 i cant reproduce the error at all in precise Oct 12 11:09:09 * infinity downloads some build-deps. Oct 12 11:09:25 dpkg-shlibdeps may have gotten stricter, I wouldn't consider that a bad thing. Oct 12 11:10:32 i didnt say its bad :) Oct 12 11:16:17 Right, -l/usr/lib/nvidia-tegra does the trick (no need for the leading debian/pkg at all) Oct 12 11:16:26 ah, k Oct 12 11:16:30 * ogra_ adds that then Oct 12 11:16:34 And the mess of warning about the missing SONAMEs seems like a nice reminder that it's broken. :P Oct 12 11:18:17 * infinity tests with the override in debian/rules Oct 12 11:18:55 Yup, perfect. Oct 12 11:19:08 k Oct 12 11:19:30 As "useless" as it may seem, it's nice that it'll yell at you if you don't have the right build-deps (and thus don't get the right dependencies), so taking it out feels wrong. Oct 12 11:19:44 And this DTRT. Oct 12 11:19:45 yeah Oct 12 11:19:59 and there is hope they fix it eventually :) Oct 12 11:24:13 meh, i should teach my finger memory to not always use -sa for dpkg-buildpackage Oct 12 11:24:38 I always forget it when I need it. Oct 12 11:24:40 Which is rarely. Oct 12 11:25:18 well, you need it for all native packages Oct 12 11:25:28 we used to have a lot of them when i started :) Oct 12 11:42:19 ogra_: Eh? No native package needs -sa Oct 12 11:43:35 ogra_: You only need -sa on a new upstream version of a NON-native package (ie: with an orig) that dpkg doesn't auto-detect as a new upstream (so version doesn't have -0 or -1 on the end). Oct 12 11:44:12 ogra_: So, commonly in Ubuntu when doing merges from, say, 1.2.3-4ubuntu1 to 1.2.4-2ubuntu1 instead of 1.2.4-0ubuntu1 Oct 12 11:47:03 yeah, i thought it was also used to attach the native tarball ... seems i was wrong :P Oct 12 11:47:17 but that would be nonsense thinking about it :P Oct 12 11:48:26 infinity: ogra_: i would consider it a bug dch -i to not detect and use a 0ubuntu1 name when appropriate Oct 12 11:49:05 well, it never detects if i work on a native package Oct 12 11:49:13 xranby: Hrm? This isn't about dch. Oct 12 11:49:18 but always attaches -XubuntuX Oct 12 11:50:04 xranby: I was talking about merging and intentionally versioning in a way that won't be -0 or -1 (which is common when merging to, say, Debian's 1.2.3-4) Oct 12 11:50:28 infinity: ok i get it Oct 12 11:50:32 ogra_: Really? I thought dch was smart enough these days to version natively. Oct 12 11:50:44 doesnt for me Oct 12 11:50:50 ogra_: If not, THAT is a bug for sure. Oct 12 11:50:58 infinity: dch -i always increast the unmber, it never resets the number when the major version differs Oct 12 11:51:14 well, i might have some old dotfile somewhere with weird settings tr so Oct 12 11:51:17 *or Oct 12 11:51:38 It sure works for me. Oct 12 11:51:57 I just did a dch -i on apt (0.9.7.5) and got (0.9.7.5ubuntu1) Oct 12 11:52:14 Which is right. Oct 12 11:53:09 xranby: I'm a bit confused as to what you're on about. ;) Oct 12 11:53:35 xranby: Up until just now, we were talking about dpkg-genchanges -sa, which has nothing to do with dch's versioning. Oct 12 11:53:51 we are surely talking about different things,, yesterday i did a dch -i on avian_0.6+20121011 and got 0.6+20121011-0ubuntu2 instead of 0.6+20121011-0ubuntu1 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xranby/ubuntu/quantal/avian/avian_0.6+20121011/revision/4#debian/changelog Oct 12 11:54:57 when switching from 0.6+20120911 to 0.6+20121011 Oct 12 11:55:09 That was driver error. Oct 12 11:55:19 You did a uupdate or something first, then a dch -i Oct 12 11:55:35 The first thing got the version right, then dch -i did what you asked (increased the version number). Oct 12 11:55:39 no update Oct 12 11:55:53 Then how did you update from 0.6+20120911 to 0.6+20121011? Oct 12 11:55:59 dch doesn't autodetect upstream versions. Oct 12 11:56:39 infinity: i got the new name 0.6+20121011 when i did a bzr branch avian.dev avian_0.6+20121011 Oct 12 11:56:50 and dch -i picked up that Oct 12 11:56:55 based on the branch nam Oct 12 11:56:56 e Oct 12 11:58:21 Still sounds like something, somewhere, filled in a skeleton changelog entry first, and dch -i then increased it. Oct 12 11:58:27 (I just did this to myself yesterday..) Oct 12 12:01:52 hmm i have to double check next time i update Oct 12 12:02:05 you might be right it might be one of those things you do without reflecting about it Oct 12 12:02:09 I do Oct 12 12:04:26 not to something completly different: When usability fail: The "mouse wiggler" a "new invention" used at a Swedish hospital to prevent inactivity auto-logout http://www.flickr.com/photos/henrikahlen/sets/72157631580658085/ Oct 12 12:04:29 now Oct 12 12:05:28 ogra_: So, after all that pointless prattle, do I get a new upload? ;) Oct 12 12:05:40 err, yeah Oct 12 12:05:55 just noticed i missed to s/precise/quantal/ in my build Oct 12 12:06:17 lets do it without -sa this time :) Oct 12 13:37:46 bug 1065902 Oct 12 13:37:46 Launchpad bug 1065902 in linux-ti-omap4 "black/blue screen before installer, tty switch fixes it" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065902 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 12 17:18:10 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 12 17:20:22 2012 Oct 12 18:45:05 hi guys Oct 12 18:45:17 whats going on with the ubuntu on android thing? Oct 12 18:45:27 the page has not changed on ubuntu.com for a long time since I first seen it Oct 12 20:03:01 Given that unity-2D is dead, probably not much. Not sure how well Unity runs on an Android system. Oct 12 20:04:17 the site says it boots up full ubuntu Oct 12 20:05:56 Well, iirc it is more like an ubuntu chroot running on an android system. That way, the two can communicate with each other. Oct 12 20:06:14 ah ya that makes some sense Oct 12 20:06:43 i'd love to have one device that I take with me and dock it in a workstation or in some form of lapop device Oct 12 20:08:13 GrueMaster: any idea who is in charge of u-boot/SPL for pandaboard at canonical right now? we have some memory change patches in the pipe for the next revision of the OMAP4 based pandaboard Oct 12 20:09:01 prpplague, jcrigby Oct 12 20:09:14 ogra_: ok thanks Oct 12 20:09:15 (unless that changed and i missed it) Oct 12 20:09:16 prpplague: I'm no longer at Canonical. Oct 12 20:09:19 * prpplague makes a note Oct 12 20:09:25 GrueMaster: yea i keep forgetting Oct 12 20:09:41 GrueMaster: i don't know who is where these days in relationship to canonical/linaro/ubuntu Oct 12 20:10:15 It seems to be changing a bit lately. Oct 12 20:10:34 we're all ubuntu :) Oct 12 20:10:52 only few are linaor or canonical :( Oct 12 20:10:55 err Oct 12 20:10:57 :) Oct 12 20:11:11 jcrigby: ping Oct 12 20:11:28 jcrigby: need to start getting a plan together to handle questions / upgrades for u-boot Oct 12 20:30:59 i got Ubuntu 12.04 running on a Pandaboard \o/ Oct 12 20:31:21 do i need special drivers now? or is it all included? Oct 12 20:31:54 also, is there a correct way to upgrade to 12.10? Oct 12 20:58:02 prpplague: for uboot/spl patches please talk with sebjan too. Oct 12 20:58:13 and send them upstream too ;-) Oct 12 20:59:17 ndec: yea, already working on the upstream, i am more concerned about people trying to use older ubuntu releases for pandaboard and it not working Oct 12 20:59:57 for older release... it will be a problem since the bootloader is in the released image. Oct 12 21:00:14 and new images aren't created after they are released... Oct 12 21:00:41 so, if old uboot reallly doesn't boot on new board, 12.04 image will not boot. Oct 12 21:00:44 and 12.10 either. Oct 12 21:01:15 well, 12.10 there is a slight window to get that done before the release, though... Oct 12 21:01:16 ndec: yea, there was some update procedure that was documented for the pandaboard-es to update the bootloader , so i figured there would be something we could document Oct 12 21:01:32 ndec: yea totally different mem config, it won;t boot without the change Oct 12 21:01:39 yep, we did that a couple of times indeed. Oct 12 21:01:59 it's basically -> prepare SD, and copy the magic MLO on SD. Oct 12 21:02:22 prpplague: what's this change about? and why? Oct 12 21:03:08 ndec: the memory that is currently used on the pandaboard and pandaboard-es is EOL'd as of the end of this month Oct 12 21:03:24 ndec: we have enough stock to last till mid feb Oct 12 21:03:34 bummer. Oct 12 21:03:45 ndec: the only available configuration as a replacement is a totally different die/bank configuration Oct 12 21:04:21 you can detect the config at runtime, right? Oct 12 21:04:32 so that same MLO works on new and old, right? Oct 12 21:08:44 ndec: yes we can detect if it is a new board or old board, however the MLO(SPL) needs to be updated with the new EMIF/LISA configurations Oct 12 21:08:58 ndec: i thought you were gone for something called "weekend", hehe Oct 12 21:11:40 That sounds like a simple patch to a lookup table, and maybe some init code. Should be fairly straight-forward. YOu could always file a bug against MLO and file a patch with it. Oct 12 21:12:27 prpplague: i should be gone indeed... Oct 12 21:12:55 GrueMaster: yea code wise it is trivial Oct 12 21:13:18 GrueMaster: my concern is the coming support issue, "i just got my pandaboard and it doesn't boot ubuntu 12.04" Oct 12 21:14:38 Since 12.04 is LTS, this fix should be able to be backported. Not sure what the release schedule is for 12.04.2, but it will have to wait until then to show up in an image. Oct 12 21:16:53 GrueMaster: that said, images weren't rebuilt for 12.04.01 for panda... Oct 12 21:17:26 * ndec really starts weekend now ;-) Oct 12 21:18:05 They weren't? sigh. Slackers. Oct 12 23:03:25 GrueMaster: ndec: the images were build, they failed testing hence could not be released. Oct 12 23:03:33 no sign-off, no point release image. Oct 12 23:03:52 image, per-image. Oct 12 23:04:13 but boy 12.10 is so much better on Pandaboards =) Oct 12 23:07:34 xnox: how do i test 12.10 now? (i see no images) Oct 12 23:07:56 st3fan: they are on cdimage Oct 12 23:08:20 st3fan: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ Oct 12 23:08:41 note you need USB storage to finish the install. Oct 12 23:08:47 Failed testing? Oct 12 23:09:19 xnox: ah yes i think i did try that .. i was unable to install it on SD card and was not sure how to fix that Oct 12 23:09:39 i'm currently using the preinstalled 12.04, which works great Oct 12 23:09:47 it's slow on the IO though. Oct 12 23:10:00 no more preinstalled images. Oct 12 23:10:01 yeah i notice that Oct 12 23:10:16 hence you install from sd card onto usb stick or usb HDD Oct 12 23:10:22 with quantal onwards. Oct 12 23:10:27 you can "do preinstall" Oct 12 23:10:34 aha Oct 12 23:11:01 i was thinking of buying a small SSD and USB/SATA adapter Oct 12 23:11:04 basically after creating sd card, create a new partition at the end. Oct 12 23:11:16 * xnox uses 32 GB tiny pen drive ;-) Oct 12 23:11:27 is that faster than SD? Oct 12 23:11:32 yeah. Oct 12 23:11:41 Hmm. Doesn't look like 12.04.1 was even generated, according to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com Oct 12 23:11:56 * xnox has fast usb stick though ;-) Oct 12 23:12:21 how does a pandaboard boot from usb though? it needs help from a bootloader on SD right? Oct 12 23:12:46 st3fan: Bootloader stays on SD. Oct 12 23:12:56 st3fan: so the sd card you used for the install .... becomes boot floppy as panda only boots from there. Oct 12 23:13:23 this sounds good :) Oct 12 23:13:24 so you need both to install & both to continue running panda. Oct 12 23:13:28 Well, you could also drop a bootloader through the mini-usb from a host. Oct 12 23:13:42 It actually looks there first, SD second. Oct 12 23:14:46 do i need to configure the bootloader manually or will that happen as part of the installation? Oct 12 23:15:15 It will (should) just work. Oct 12 23:15:36 these are great hints. i'm going to try this after dinner with 12.10b2 Oct 12 23:15:41 If not, file a bug. If it doesn't install proeprly, it shouldn't be shipped. Oct 12 23:15:42 or daily? Oct 12 23:16:01 st3fan: don't try b2, use daily. The current daily is frozen and is the testing candidate for quantal final. Oct 12 23:16:13 yay Oct 12 23:16:16 st3fan: plus you will help testing quantal final =) Oct 12 23:16:32 ok Oct 12 23:16:36 i will bbl Oct 12 23:22:03 xnox: You're misinformed. 12.04.1 ARM images weren't built at all, as we only build point-release images for LTS products, and only the netboot images are LTS for ARM. Oct 12 23:22:29 xnox: Not that it would matter, the 12.04 images would work just fine, and one could apt-get upgrade. Oct 12 23:23:32 infinity: ok. sorry. Oct 12 23:23:33 xnox: Oh, I read more backscroll, I see. So, the 12.04 images will stop working at some point. :P But we can still build new d-i (and will), so that's the direction to point people in. Oct 12 23:23:35 thanks. Oct 12 23:24:00 xnox: And d-i is the direction I point people in anyway, since it's the only way to install directly to USB in precise. Oct 12 23:25:28 i point people to quantal =) Oct 12 23:26:06 Some people (like, I dunno, our buildds) have a legitimate use-case for wanting an LTS. :) Oct 12 23:26:47 infinity: for whatever reason people are expecting a much higher volume of SRUs for precise..... Oct 12 23:27:48 I don't mind the attempt to perfect LTSes, personally. Oct 12 23:28:19 Maybe because I run them. :P Oct 12 23:29:14 infinity: I think the reason this came up was due to the expected change to the pandaboard memory, wich will need a new MLO. If the images aren't respun, then they will fail. Easy enough to download an updated MLO and drop it in place. Oct 12 23:29:50 GrueMaster: Yeah, I caught that and commented on it. Oct 12 23:30:12 GrueMaster: We still won't respin the preinstalled images, but debian-installer will get bumped for new netboot love. Oct 12 23:30:41 (And, as you say, it's not rocket science to do surgery by hand on the preinstalled ones, if someone really prefers those) Oct 12 23:30:45 I'm...not going to comment. Oct 12 23:35:14 GrueMaster: (If the whole new MLO thing happens, I could probably be talked into building a Panda/preinstalled image for 12.04.2 if someone communityish wanted to QA it) Oct 12 23:35:41 GrueMaster: You could totally get them to send you a new-new-new Panda just for this, and expand your dusty collection. :) Oct 12 23:36:13 When is 12.04.2? Oct 12 23:37:14 And considering I had to personally buy the last 4 pandas I got, I doubt I will be motivated to do this. Oct 12 23:37:57 (note, I could have expensed them, but then I would have 0 dusty pandas and absolutely no reason to be here). Oct 13 00:14:05 xnox: when i go through the setup too quick (..., time zone, account setup) the installer window disappears ... i see some disk activity but i have no idea if it is actually finishing the install Oct 13 00:14:52 it barely started copying files when the window closed, so it can't be done i'm sure Oct 13 00:15:17 unfortunately i can't seem to switch to a text based console to check what is happening Oct 13 00:16:15 * st3fan will try again and this time will not fill in his account info until the installer is done Oct 13 00:22:43 st3fan: is that with panda image. what timestamp? we are respinning it due to crashing like that.... Oct 13 00:24:36 grabbed it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ an hour ago Oct 13 00:24:59 quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.img 12-Oct-2012 14:39 Oct 13 00:26:09 should i grab an earlier one? Oct 13 00:28:02 you should want the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20121012.3/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.img Oct 13 00:28:43 downloading Oct 13 00:28:49 current is a symlink =) currently points to 20121012.3 Oct 13 00:28:53 st3fan: you can use zsync. Oct 13 00:29:07 if you have the old one around use: $ zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20121012.3/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.img.zsync Oct 13 00:29:17 cool i'll do that next time Oct 13 00:29:18 and it will download the delta =) which should be very small Oct 13 00:29:52 st3fan: if it still fails. please report bug from the panda (if you can) with `ubuntu-bug ubiquity` Oct 13 00:30:01 ok Oct 13 00:30:12 st3fan: and add a "install result" to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/25703/testcases Oct 13 00:30:25 the entire disk test case ;-) Oct 13 00:32:28 the internets are fast today, the download took 4 minutes Oct 13 00:32:54 dd'ing a diff would be better :) Oct 13 00:40:59 ok booting Oct 13 00:44:53 ah yes now i get a little window with a progress bar 'copying files' Oct 13 01:27:15 xnox: success! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 13 03:00:02 2012