**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 29 03:00:01 2012 Oct 29 08:13:57 http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Ubuntu-Installer-fuer-Nexus-7-veroeffentlicht-1737977.html Oct 29 08:14:09 for the germans in here Oct 29 08:35:42 janimo: ping Oct 29 09:07:29 morphis, pong Oct 29 09:08:01 janimo: saw you did the the linux-firmware package for the nexus7 Oct 29 09:08:29 morphis, right, added the google nexus binaries needed for wifi and bluetooth in the regular linux-image package Oct 29 09:08:53 janimo: ok, you thought about the licensing stuff? Oct 29 09:09:09 as I am a little bit confused wether it's allowed to redistribute the binaries Oct 29 09:09:15 morphis, yes. It is not clear yet, hence it is not in the main archives Oct 29 09:09:31 waiting for some decisions from above Oct 29 09:09:41 morphis, it is blurry indeed Oct 29 09:09:42 ok, I have the same issue over at the webos-ports project (maybe you know about it) Oct 29 09:09:56 not regarding the nexus7 but the galaxy nexus phone Oct 29 09:10:04 morphis, yes, heard about it Oct 29 09:10:31 ogra-nx7: yay for nx7 ;) Oct 29 09:10:32 ok, so you're on the way finding about the legal situation and if we're allowed to redistribute the binaries? Oct 29 09:10:41 morphis, I have not read the EULA but I think from what I glanced from it it does not allow redistribution Oct 29 09:10:52 LetoThe2nd, :) Oct 29 09:10:56 yes, thats what I gather from it too Oct 29 09:11:03 but I am not a lawyer Oct 29 09:11:04 morphis, yes, I just forwarded the request inside Canonical. No ideas when a decision is made. Oct 29 09:11:12 ok Oct 29 09:11:21 morphis, in either case you can probably reuse whatever the official Ubuntu solution on the nexus will be Oct 29 09:12:01 yes, will be a solution for wifi/bluetooth part Oct 29 09:22:37 janimo: thanks a lot for the infos Oct 29 09:22:45 morphis, np Oct 29 09:24:53 janimo: I received the (lgpl licensed) source for libgstomx (gstreamer plugin for tegra*) Oct 29 09:25:04 do you think one could make a package out of it? Oct 29 09:25:11 ogra-nx7, ^ :) Oct 29 09:25:24 the source for libgstnvxvimagesink is till missing though Oct 29 09:25:37 marvin24, I know ogra has been packaging some video codecs at least Oct 29 09:25:57 marvin24, not yet released or no plan for releasing? Oct 29 09:26:33 janimo: it's on gitorious, wait ... Oct 29 09:26:42 https://gitorious.org/nvtegra-gst/gstomx Oct 29 09:26:55 but just the raw stuff from nv Oct 29 09:27:06 needs a lot of work to get something useful out of it Oct 29 09:27:24 (I even haven't tried yet) Oct 29 09:28:11 marvin24, and this uses their binary OMX support libs? Oct 29 09:28:28 janimo: half of it Oct 29 09:28:54 there are two files needed Oct 29 09:29:09 libgstnvxvimagesink is missing Oct 29 09:29:40 it is linked against their binary only libs Oct 29 09:30:34 and based upon the official gstream omx plugin (http://freedesktop.org/wiki/GstOpenMAX) Oct 29 09:30:48 so a "patch" would be sufficient Oct 29 09:31:00 I don't know if ubuntu already ships this library Oct 29 09:31:20 it has support for omap already as it seems Oct 29 09:35:42 marvin24, after uds i'll look into that Oct 29 09:36:26 the tegra2 codecs package is stuck in NEW atm Oct 29 09:44:28 ogra-nx7: plugin is also for tegra3 I think Oct 29 09:45:12 yep, should be very high level Oct 29 09:45:47 but it will need a dep/recomends for he codecs Oct 29 09:46:07 so codecs have to in go first Oct 29 11:20:25 Monday 2012-10-29 schedule: #linaro #linaroconnect http://summit.linaro.org/lce12/2012-10-29/ and #ubuntu #uds http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/2012-10-29/ - remote participation is possible Oct 29 11:25:54 rsalveti, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-rebuild-gl-games-for-gles do you know how much linaro has done in that direction yet ? Oct 29 11:31:10 ogra-nx7: on this topic. for java opengl games we till try to produce tutorials: http://forum.jogamp.org/Jake2-JOGL2-Port-tp4026412.html Oct 29 11:41:37 xranby_ac100, awesome ! Oct 29 11:46:01 ogra-nx7: cheers Oct 29 11:49:33 ogra-nx7: is this blueprint scheduled during uds or linaroconnect? Oct 29 11:49:43 i would love to attend it. Oct 29 11:52:22 xranby_ac100, i just gave it to seb128, it should show up on the schedule at some point, just subscribe as essential Oct 29 11:53:10 great i will attend Oct 29 12:09:43 heh, nexus 7 scores about 130 on glmark2-es2 Oct 29 12:30:35 ogra_: not many yet, but it'd be nice to review it anyway Oct 29 12:36:29 Im not sure Ubuntu likes me, my confirmation code was PrlckL >_> Oct 29 12:40:02 ben1066: :D Oct 29 12:40:55 Need to remember to watch the Valve one later... Oct 29 13:05:47 Hi all, question about installing ubuntu on nexus 7. If I want to go back to android, can I just restore a nandroid or flash a ROM? Didn't notice it on the wiki Oct 29 13:28:28 Is this the wrong channel for my previous question? Anyone? Oct 29 13:28:35 jayrads: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation#Returning_your_Nexus_7_to_Stock_Android Oct 29 13:29:11 achiang: Ahh, thank you :) Oct 29 13:29:52 np Oct 29 14:24:34 Hmm Oct 29 14:24:42 If we held back the packages needed for nexus 7 Oct 29 14:24:46 could be add security and updates? Oct 29 15:33:04 while I had time I did wanted to test the bug correction for ubuntu precise on arm (Bug 1058022). So I inserted my old card : and now the boot process is stuck on "waiting for network configuration". I don't have a valid ethernet config I must set it after booting. Oct 29 15:33:05 Launchpad bug 1058022 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "no tidspbridge support in kernel." [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058022 Oct 29 15:33:32 cool this bot parse my msg to post any bug reference... Oct 29 15:34:21 bizulk: Which platform is this? Oct 29 15:34:37 GrueMaster: beagleboard xM Oct 29 15:35:31 Yea, that has been problematic for a long time. I filed several bugs to get the proper kernel module built-in instead of modular, but no one seems to care. Oct 29 15:37:46 GrueMaster: I remember I had this pb, but the boot wasn't stuck on this. But may retry my backup restore (I did dd backup when everything was fine) Oct 29 15:39:22 Interesting that bug 1058022 shows "Fix Committed", but bug 838200 only shows confirmed. They're the same issue. Oct 29 15:39:24 Launchpad bug 1058022 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "no tidspbridge support in kernel." [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058022 Oct 29 15:39:25 Launchpad bug 838200 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "No network support on Beagle XM" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838200 Oct 29 15:42:51 GrueMaster: 'xcuse me but tidspbridge has nothing to do with network support Oct 29 15:45:45 iirc, the bridge is needed for ethernet and audio to work. Granted, it has been a while since I tested BEagleXM (3/2012), but that was the issue I had since Natty. Oct 29 15:47:55 GrueMaster: tidspbridge is about DSP/CPU communication Oct 29 15:49:39 Ok, then I'm thinking on another bug of mine. Bottom line is I had submitted a config fix for these issues, but they were ignored. Oct 29 15:50:33 GrueMaster: refresh their "memory" Oct 29 15:56:23 Ah, I was thinking of bug 925094 (which also had a patch for bug 838200). But as I said, I stopped working on beagleXM around 12.04 Beta 1. Oct 29 15:56:24 Launchpad bug 925094 in linux (Ubuntu) "No audio on omap (beagleXM) system" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925094 Oct 29 15:56:25 Launchpad bug 838200 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "No network support on Beagle XM" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838200 Oct 29 16:38:16 I'm getting 404 on http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/. Looks like something has happened and there's now a ubuntu-ports/ubuntu-ports/dists dir. This breaks apt-get, etc. Oct 29 16:38:27 Not sure if there's an infrastructure channel to bugreport on? Oct 29 17:57:36 Ubuntu on Nexus 10 and Nexus 4? Make it happen :P Oct 29 21:10:12 Seems like the Nexus 4 might be an issue depending on the cellular radio. Hell, the Nexus 7 with 3G might pose an interesting challenge. Oct 29 21:17:08 I'm actually shocked the Nexus 7 apparently works as well as it does; most of the time with these commercial devices, the driver situation is too ugly Oct 29 21:17:43 That's what's held up the Vivaldi, they can't even find a supplier who'll give them source code. Oct 29 21:22:33 For the most part, Arm SOC's have been fairly open. It is only the graphics that have been closed. Granted, this is critical for any GUI interface development. Oct 29 21:27:50 I used my Nexus 7 with 3G today. Oct 29 21:27:54 Worked great. Oct 29 21:28:04 Though I was cheating and using an external 3G dongle ;) Oct 29 21:28:12 OTG cables are nice. Oct 29 21:43:21 well Oct 29 21:44:57 GrueMaster I'd say the cellular stacks have also been closed. It's only two areas . . . but without graphics or cellular networking, well, that's why we mostly aren't installing real Linux on our phones yet. Oct 29 21:45:23 * mlankhorst points at his n9 Oct 29 21:45:32 real linux! Oct 29 21:45:32 a great example Oct 29 21:45:37 of how that's an issue :( Oct 29 21:46:01 luckily we can install stuff because Nokia employees working under their NDAs have written the drivers that'd be needed Oct 29 21:46:24 that's why if I wanted I could install whatever I wanted on my N900 or N9! And that's awesome, but it's far from common. Oct 29 21:47:33 Hopefully Jolla takes that a step further, since it's based on Mer. The only thing that makes me sad about that is it's RPM rather than DEB, and I think I speak for many people here when I say I far prefer the Debian way :) Oct 29 21:48:02 * keithzg still hasn't gotten tired of using apt-get on his phone Oct 29 21:48:07 it is rpm based? >:( Oct 29 21:48:19 Yeah, Mer is RPM based, since MeeGo was. Oct 29 21:49:10 The N9 is Harmattan, ie. Nokia's Debian-based Distro with as many of the same packages as MeeGo has. Oct 29 21:49:56 So applications written for the N9 will (in theory) run fine on anything Mer based with the rest of the stack, but the underlying system is yum/rpm rather than apt/deb. Oct 29 22:12:48 :-( Oct 29 22:27:46 To be fair, the days of RPM Hell are mostly gone. Red Hat seems to have ironed how the issues, embarassed by the mindshare dominance Debian was enjoying. Oct 29 22:47:59 I'd have to agree with this. A large part of the rpm hell was the lack of a repository management system (like apt). If you run dpkg -i on a downloaded package without having the required pre-requisites, it will complain just as much as rpm -i will. Oct 29 22:48:54 Although the apt solution is far more mature than the various rpm solutions (zypper, yum, etc). Oct 29 22:50:48 HI all, I'm currently trying to compile ECL http://ecls.sourceforge.net/ for the nexus7. I can see that the older version 11.1.1 has been packaged and is in the repos. Is there any way to find out what configure options were used to get it to build? I'm a real newbie to all this side of things having been spoilt with scripting languages for too long! Oct 29 22:54:22 baggers: Which distro release? Oct 29 22:54:49 Oh, nm. Found it. Oct 29 22:56:11 Ah it must be something in the latest version (12.7.1) that is causing the issue as the nexus is building 11.1.1 from source now without issues Oct 29 22:57:31 If you go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecl/11.1.1-4ubuntu1, you can download the build source and see the build logs. This may help in getting a newer build to compile. Not sure (been a while since I built a deb package from updated source). Oct 29 23:00:59 Cheers, I'll have a read. The error that was thrown on trying to 'make' was :/tmp/ccVddsAh.s:72: Error: thumb conditional instruction should be in IT block -- `strexeq r4,r1,[r2]'...which from a quick google seems to be a known issue for arm7 with some software but to be honest it was so far over my head that I barely heard the woosh it made as it sailed by! Oct 29 23:01:25 Heh. Oct 30 00:08:13 so it says the storm strengthened to 85 mph Oct 30 00:08:16 but it was 90 earlier Oct 30 00:08:27 ?makes a lot of sense Oct 30 00:08:44 oops wrong window **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 30 02:59:57 2012