**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 13 02:59:57 2012 Nov 13 03:01:23 ming_lei: what part of the image do you want to update? the latest installer only has 1 fix that would require a new install Nov 13 03:03:15 mfisch, it is the 1st install for me Nov 13 03:03:32 mfisch, looks rootfs.img is very large Nov 13 03:04:00 ming_lei: ah ok Nov 13 03:04:07 ming_lei: yes it's quite large Nov 13 03:04:25 ming_lei: let me get you a URL Nov 13 03:04:45 mfisch, I am wondering why it is not transfered by compressed file Nov 13 03:04:57 ming_lei: a .img file is compressed Nov 13 03:05:00 ming_lei: http://hwe.ubuntu.com/uds-r/nexus7/ Nov 13 03:05:06 mfisch, ok, thanks Nov 13 03:05:21 mfisch, could you let me know how I can update the image manually? Nov 13 03:05:32 ming_lei: put the files into ~/Downloads/UbuntuNexus7 Nov 13 03:05:44 I don't know what you mean by manually, sorry Nov 13 03:05:57 Do you mean update an installed image or install a new image? Nov 13 03:06:25 I mean how I can update the downloaded image to nexus 7 Nov 13 03:06:39 still use the original installer? Nov 13 03:06:42 ming_lei: yes Nov 13 03:06:58 ming_lei: if you put the files in the right place it will say "Do you want to use the images you already downloaded?" Nov 13 03:07:00 or something similar Nov 13 03:07:18 mfisch, got it, thanks for your help Nov 13 03:08:59 ming_lei: I think you also need to download the "Usage Notice" file and put it in the same folder Nov 13 03:11:01 mfisch, ok, btw, looks zenity always consume 100% cpu, Nov 13 03:11:11 ming_lei: yep, I saw the bug Nov 13 03:11:18 and I confirmed it Nov 13 03:11:39 ming_lei: it makes my laptop fan run pretty wild Nov 13 03:12:03 mfisch, same with me, so I can't afford with long time update Nov 13 03:12:18 ming_lei: it will be much faster once you've downloaded it Nov 13 03:12:45 mfisch, yeah, that is just what I want, thank you Nov 13 03:12:47 ming_lei: once the files are copied it will take 10 mins or so for the tablet to unpack and lay-down the filesystem Nov 13 03:14:37 mfisch, another question, could the 8G image work well on 16G tablet? Nov 13 03:15:19 ming_lei: yes, it will work fine, but you will have some lost space Nov 13 03:15:37 ming_lei: the image is only 30-40MB larger for a 16G tablet Nov 13 03:16:58 mfisch, but looks installer doesn't support 16G image for me Nov 13 03:17:10 what is it doing? Nov 13 03:39:42 mfisch, remember that it can't continue if 16G is chosen Nov 13 03:40:07 mfisch, I am downloading the 16G image Nov 13 03:40:38 mfisch, once it is ready, first I will try 16G again Nov 13 04:46:23 mfisch, install successfully with 16G image Nov 13 04:46:32 ming_lei: great Nov 13 04:46:38 mfisch, but don't know how to use it Nov 13 04:46:52 mfisch, looks left click doesn't work Nov 13 04:47:13 ming_lei: please read all the known issues before filing any bugs Nov 13 04:47:28 mfisch, I know Nov 13 04:47:50 mfisch, so could you introduce me some usage tricks? Nov 13 04:48:38 the biggest issue is that sometimes the left click (button1) gets stuck down Nov 13 04:50:37 ming_lei: what do you plan on doing with the device? Nov 13 04:52:42 mfisch, I want to test some basic function, such as, terminal operation, camera function, .... Nov 13 04:52:55 camera does not work Nov 13 04:59:59 * mfisch goes to bed Nov 13 07:50:31 good morning Nov 13 07:51:41 oh no, my desktop no longer comes up after reboot on the nexus 7 Nov 13 09:09:58 has anyone seen with recent nexus 7 image that the desktop doesn't come up on reboot? Nov 13 09:14:01 anyone using ubuntu ARM with Trim Slice devices? Nov 13 09:14:56 ptl: yes Nov 13 09:15:44 ptl: for best experience use the installers provided by trimslice Nov 13 09:18:37 brendand: are you able to login remotely to your nexus 7 using ssh? Nov 13 09:19:12 xranby, oh yes. and also onboard and the keyring prompt appear. but no unity Nov 13 09:19:35 xranby, i can see the little onboard overlay icon Nov 13 09:20:08 xranby, worth noting that i made the tegra config change mentioned in ubuntu-devel. after that i changed it back and it still doesn't come up though Nov 13 09:20:11 brendand: do you recall if you did any software update before the reboot? Nov 13 09:20:35 xranby, i don't recall doing any update Nov 13 09:24:02 brendand: there was a similar bug some month ago.. do you screen look like A) https://launchpadlibrarian.net/122315170/Screenshot%20from%202012-11-07%2021%3A51%3A10.jpg or B) https://launchpadlibrarian.net/122269430/nexus_ubuntu_desktop.jpg ? Nov 13 09:24:12 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1065638 Nov 13 09:24:12 Launchpad bug 1065638 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Unity panels don't display visuals" [Critical,Confirmed] Nov 13 09:24:36 xranby, nothing i can say is exactly the same Nov 13 09:26:40 brendand: unfortunally i cant help you further.. hopefully someone more familiar with this bug can help you triage the issue Nov 13 09:26:53 to check if it is the same root issue Nov 13 09:26:54 xranby, i'm trying to get a screenshot now Nov 13 09:27:09 thank you Nov 13 09:27:34 brendand: if in doubt add a new bugreport on launchpad Nov 13 09:28:22 xranby, of course Nov 13 11:03:28 achiang, I collated the nexus7 kernel docs into Nexus7/Kernel (there were 3 separate pages) - hope that was in your interest too Nov 13 11:04:09 janimo, ^^^ Nov 13 11:04:41 [ogra] watchdog: enabled. Nov 13 11:04:52 :-P Nov 13 11:04:54 haha Nov 13 11:04:58 *woof* Nov 13 11:05:29 dholbach, looks good thanks :) Nov 13 11:05:48 perfect - I'll go through the docs once more now and send a summary of open questions later on Nov 13 11:36:14 janimo, did you nag infinity again about the kernel ? it stil sits in NEW Nov 13 11:36:19 ogra-cb_, no Nov 13 11:36:33 ogra-cb_, regarding the LICENSE prompting Nov 13 11:36:42 yeah Nov 13 11:36:48 I see it needs an accept, it is not a simple note Nov 13 11:37:02 the original android installer expectes you to type I ACCEPT Nov 13 11:37:30 so more than a simple debconf note I think. I am looking at some debian fw package to copy bits from Nov 13 11:37:34 right, just steal from the sun java package Nov 13 11:37:36 PITA anyway Nov 13 11:37:41 yeah Nov 13 11:37:48 i would have loved to avoid that Nov 13 11:54:17 can we use the multitouch sensor to record a facepalm of the tablet against the users face to use as an "I Accept" Nov 13 11:54:18 ? Nov 13 11:54:21 (kidding) Nov 13 11:54:37 haha Nov 13 11:54:58 i dont know if it has a "forehead pressure" property Nov 13 11:59:36 maybe that this function is only integrated in the nexus 4 Nov 13 12:00:11 with NFC to read your mind while facepalming indeed Nov 13 12:00:22 phones usually have a way to disable touch input when in close proximity to the speakers head and ear Nov 13 12:01:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoMp9gWNDzQ Nov 13 12:02:04 prior art, you wont make money with it Nov 13 12:02:52 janimo: slangasek did say that it should be the binary debconf question, not note. Nov 13 12:02:53 as long as m python comply with gpl we should be fine Nov 13 12:03:07 heh Nov 13 12:03:31 janimo: mscorefonts has similar yes/no prompt. Nov 13 12:03:39 oh, indeed Nov 13 12:03:47 * ogra-cb_ always only remembers java Nov 13 12:04:25 the java prompt seems to have some special setup that requires you to scroll down completely first Nov 13 12:04:43 ogra-cb_: not sure if you saw my earlier ping, but the armhf+omap4 images are 22MB small. Nov 13 12:04:44 unless that changed, i havent used sun java in years :) Nov 13 12:04:47 (raring daily) Nov 13 12:04:53 xnox, yeah, saw that Nov 13 12:05:07 there are issues with the livefs builder it seems Nov 13 12:05:11 xnox, you're right thanks Nov 13 12:05:11 is it because livefs pandas are still in a sad state?! Nov 13 12:05:24 janimo: no problem =) Nov 13 12:05:32 * xnox really really really wants images =)))))) Nov 13 12:05:43 i'll look into it Nov 13 12:05:49 yes please =) Nov 13 12:05:54 but i fear thats lamont or infinity land Nov 13 12:06:08 ogra-cb_: bribe them with bamboo =) Nov 13 12:06:47 ogra@nusakan:~$ w3m celbalrai.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD Nov 13 12:06:47 w3m: Can't load celbalrai.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD. Nov 13 12:07:01 definitely lamont or infinity land Nov 13 12:07:06 the builder is down Nov 13 12:07:23 celbalrai has been quite sad lately Nov 13 12:08:10 yeah Nov 13 12:08:20 i guess we should replace the HW Nov 13 12:08:38 it had some weird gzip errors too in the last builds that failed Nov 13 12:08:45 bug 1078253 Nov 13 12:08:46 Launchpad bug 1078253 in Ubuntu CD Images "raring daily images are only 22MB small" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078253 Nov 13 12:08:55 just filed for tracking =) Nov 13 14:25:15 rsalveti, any idea how i can easily find out what these missing bits are ? Nov 13 14:26:23 according to the xorg log and es2_info all should be fine now, running es2gears i get diagonal stripes on the upper half of the screen now though Nov 13 14:26:49 and while i forced compiz to not use sw rendering, it still feels very slow Nov 13 14:29:03 using chromium-browser --use-gl=egl, and going to the webgl testpage, i get a slightly garbeled screen (still good enough to close the browser tab, but there is distortion) and: Nov 13 14:29:06 [3242:3242:1362695730:ERROR:gl_surface.cc(83)] Not implemented reached in virtual bool gfx::GLSurface::Resize(const gfx::Size&) Nov 13 14:32:04 ogra-cb: are you using the same x11 driver and kernel from chrome-os? Nov 13 14:32:12 I suppose the libs are the same Nov 13 14:32:31 check with glmark2-es2 as well Nov 13 14:32:32 i use the armsoc driver that is supposed to work with mali 604 Nov 13 14:32:49 glmark as well as es2gears run perfect in openbox Nov 13 14:33:01 but is it the same driver as used by chrome-os? Nov 13 14:33:16 that's weird Nov 13 14:33:18 i guess that compiz does some auto-fallback for some functions or so Nov 13 14:33:29 or it's just slow :-) Nov 13 14:33:33 so i get it mixed with SW rendering Nov 13 14:33:46 well, but why do i get the disgonal stripes etc Nov 13 14:34:10 all gles apps runs just fine in openbox, just not under compiz Nov 13 14:34:27 so something seems to get in the way Nov 13 14:34:38 compiz is the compositor, so it'll mess up with your desktop Nov 13 14:34:49 sure Nov 13 14:34:54 it doesnt on omap or nvidia though Nov 13 14:34:59 it's the final one to render the composed texture, and that might be the issue Nov 13 14:35:57 might be because it's trying the sw fallback with this driver Nov 13 14:36:49 well, you can force it not to by exporting LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=0 Nov 13 14:36:56 which i do atm Nov 13 14:37:19 else it automatically falls back to llvmpipe Nov 13 14:37:28 urgh Nov 13 14:37:43 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1355581/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1355582/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1355583/ Nov 13 14:37:47 were you able to find why it falls back? Nov 13 14:38:11 es2_info, Xorg.0.log and .xsession-errors Nov 13 14:38:49 oh, and i have to disable glx in xorg.conf else it tries to use dri1 stuff Nov 13 14:38:55 [ 476.038] (II) ARMSOC(0): Soft EXA mode Nov 13 14:39:03 oh! Nov 13 14:39:10 i missed the Soft in there Nov 13 14:39:45 (armsoc is just a renamed omap btw) Nov 13 14:40:04 I know :-) Nov 13 14:40:13 ogra-cb: do you know if that's the x11 driver used by chrome-os? Nov 13 14:40:16 I'd be surprised Nov 13 14:40:30 this is not for 'production' :-) Nov 13 14:41:11 not sure what source the cros driver uses Nov 13 14:41:31 the binary is for abi12 so i cant use it Nov 13 14:41:43 (we skipped 12 completely in ubuntu) Nov 13 14:42:14 presscise is 11 and quantal+raring are 13 Nov 13 14:43:10 i dont get why es2_info works flawless though Nov 13 14:44:37 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1355604/ has my xorg.conf btw Nov 13 14:46:34 if i leave glx enabled in there it tries to load /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri/armsoc_dri.so which i dont have Nov 13 14:47:07 i dont really get why it searches for that at all Nov 13 14:47:28 hm, guess you only need: Nov 13 14:47:29 Identifier "DefaultDevice" Nov 13 14:47:30 Driver "armsoc" Nov 13 14:48:12 I think even for panda it tries the glx mode when loading the x11 driver Nov 13 14:48:18 which is fine if you don't have Nov 13 14:49:13 ogra-cb: sent f2fs pull&build request to the kernel team to bake a tasty kernel for: i386, amd64 and arm's (ac100, panda, nexus7) Nov 13 14:49:41 xnox, i dont understand Nov 13 14:50:13 ogra-cb: samsung released f2fs - filesystem for flash storage, which is suppose to be awesome and so much better than ext4. Nov 13 14:50:19 * xnox will be playing with it Nov 13 14:50:24 rsalveti, k, i was just worried by the warning in the log Nov 13 14:50:29 and supposedly better than nilfs2 Nov 13 14:50:35 that's fine :-) Nov 13 14:50:36 xnox, oh, f2fs Nov 13 14:50:47 yeap =) Nov 13 14:50:58 well, it should be better Nov 13 14:51:03 not much better :-) Nov 13 14:51:09 there's no magic there Nov 13 14:51:12 lest me change that and restart X Nov 13 14:52:14 * ogra-cb drops the whole module section Nov 13 14:54:25 [ 3091.835] (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri/armsoc_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri/armsoc_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) Nov 13 14:54:28 [ 3091.835] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering Nov 13 14:54:30 [ 3091.835] (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable Nov 13 14:54:34 [ 3091.869] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized swrast Nov 13 14:55:34 and that didnt change: Nov 13 14:55:37 [ 3091.768] (II) ARMSOC(0): Soft EXA mode Nov 13 15:35:51 http://www.embedded.rs/products/ti-omap5430-pico-itx-sbc Nov 13 16:29:37 hi ppl Nov 13 16:29:46 im trying to cross-compile zlib Nov 13 16:30:11 im using sb2 Nov 13 16:30:22 when i run : sb2 ./configure --prefix=/opt/gtkfb --shared Nov 13 16:30:37 sb ? Nov 13 16:30:42 scratchbox 2 Nov 13 16:30:48 /lib/ld-linux.so.3: No such file or directory Nov 13 16:30:54 anh, better ask in a debina channel then Nov 13 16:31:01 *debian Nov 13 16:31:02 ok thanks Nov 13 16:32:06 there should also be linaro docs how to do cross compiling with multiarch so that you dont need to use hacks like scratchbox Nov 13 16:32:38 i see Nov 13 16:32:42 ill check multiarch Nov 13 16:32:44 thanks Nov 13 16:50:23 mfisch: ping Nov 13 16:50:36 cwayne: yes Nov 13 16:50:59 mfisch: would you wanna have a quick triage meeting later to get some of these undecided bugs some importance? Nov 13 16:51:16 ok Nov 13 16:52:31 cwayne: can we do it now? Nov 13 16:52:39 cwayne: on IRC Nov 13 16:52:57 mfisch: sure Nov 13 16:53:26 mfisch: first one: bug 960357 Nov 13 16:53:27 Launchpad bug 944653 in Compiz Core "duplicate for #960357 compiz crashed on startup with SIGSEGV in strstr() from GLScreen::GLScreen()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944653 Nov 13 16:53:37 oops bug 960537 Nov 13 16:53:37 Launchpad bug 960537 in unity (Ubuntu) "Dash search box doesn't unhide Onboard on-screen keyboard" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960537 Nov 13 17:07:54 cwayne, public vote? Nov 13 17:11:49 brendand: you can participate if you'd like, i don't think we're gonna wait around for votes though :) Nov 13 17:12:15 cwayne, sure. i vote High Nov 13 17:12:29 cwayne, easier to get a tiebreak with 3 people :) Nov 13 17:12:56 brendand: 1 sec, otp currently Nov 13 17:13:24 cwayne, maybe medium given that it's recommended to use the nexus7 with a mouse and keyboard Nov 13 17:22:38 cwayne: please join #ubuntu-bugs Nov 13 17:23:15 cwayne: actually we can finish this first Nov 13 17:24:06 mfisch: mind if i run and grab some lunch real quick first? Nov 13 17:24:28 cwayne: sure, I'll be at lunch in 1 hour, we can do it after Nov 13 17:25:02 mfisch: +1 Nov 13 18:04:59 ogra-cb: it seems that I can't fastboot flash a filesystem in two pieces, i.e. -S 512M works but -S 256M doesn't Nov 13 18:05:19 maybe the fastboot on the device doesn't understand having data in pieces? Nov 13 18:06:52 i must admit i never tried anything below 512M Nov 13 18:07:18 but others (mfisch, cwayne) saw corruption using that option Nov 13 18:07:39 which made us choose to not use it Nov 13 18:08:14 I would guess that it flash the first 256M in the start of the partition and then the latter 256M again in the start of the partition and thus it will be a mess. Or something like that Nov 13 18:08:55 In my final testing I saw a 30% failure rate Nov 13 18:09:04 the failure was immediate, not corruption over time Nov 13 18:09:17 the tablet couldn't unpack and install the rootfs Nov 13 18:09:32 ok. That might be what I'm seeing. I'll try 10 times in a row then ;) Nov 13 21:04:05 ogra-cb: ping Nov 13 21:37:15 cwayne, hey Nov 13 21:39:16 ogra-cb: hey, making a metapackage for stuff we use to test on nexus7, any requests? Nov 13 21:40:35 well, most of my stiff will fail pretty significantly if it breaks (tarball installer, image builds) ... Nov 13 21:41:14 i doubt for that stuff we need any tests, and beyond that the usual suspects, iotop, powertop etc Nov 13 21:42:02 ah, iotop is a good one Nov 13 21:43:43 dunno if we want to stress the MMC, i guess thats not a good idea for a common package ... else something like bonnie++ Nov 13 21:44:19 Howdy all, I'm having a bit of trouble. Nov 13 21:44:41 I want a preinstalled ubuntu image for my panda, like I did for ubuntu 11.04 and 12.04, however, they don't seem to exist for the most recent ubuntu. Nov 13 21:45:03 Are these delayed? Are they not being made anymore? Nov 13 21:45:26 KC9SJQ: The latter. We stopped doing preinstalled images, as the user experience was, frankly, pretty lousy. Nov 13 21:45:41 KC9SJQ: (The installation experience was nice, but then you were stuck with a system running from SD, so... Not ideal) Nov 13 21:46:17 Then, is there a tutorial on how to install the proper image on a panda? AFAIK, they must boot from the SD card. Nov 13 21:46:55 Yes, we still boot from SD, but expect you to be installing to a USB storage device (a hard drive, ideally) Nov 13 21:47:14 No tutorial needed, really. Plug in USB storage, write install media to SD card, boot. Nov 13 21:47:43 And when done, I just leave the SD out of the machine? Nov 13 21:47:59 No, you'll need to keep the SD in, as that's where the bootloader lives. Nov 13 21:48:39 ah, okay Nov 13 21:49:03 And the installer sets up the mapping properly? Nov 13 21:58:03 Yep. Nov 13 22:14:55 * xnox did update omap4 install wiki with bullet points Nov 13 22:29:25 xnox: which wiki exactly? Nov 13 22:29:55 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapDesktopInstall Nov 13 22:30:01 the installation instructions for arm Nov 13 22:30:11 it's linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP Nov 13 22:30:26 which all other websites link to. as that is the "arm" landing page. Nov 13 22:30:42 it's not great but good enough. Nov 13 22:30:54 also 12.10 release notes explain the arm situation. Nov 13 22:35:50 Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate it. Nov 13 22:40:48 Does anyone know if I can set the wifi adaptor in the panda into master or ap mode? Nov 13 22:41:01 Or more importantly, are there instructions on how to set it up? Nov 13 22:43:07 Never tried using it as an AP, but if the driver supports it, installing hostapd would likely make it Just Work. Nov 13 22:44:51 Now, that is the part that seems to confuse me. I attempted the isntructions here (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router) last time, but apparently hostapd replaces editing the internal /etc/network/interfaces Nov 13 22:47:15 KC9SJQ: The new world order of hostapd/ifupdown integration is generally a lot less fiddly. Nov 13 22:47:36 KC9SJQ: Here's a config (minus a bunch of local stuff that's not relevant) from my precise router: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1356710/ Nov 13 22:48:33 KC9SJQ: The key being the "hostapd /path/to/conf" bit that replaces having to fiddle with wireless-* stuff in interfaces only to see hostapd redo it differently half a second later. :P Nov 13 22:49:14 What is in /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf? Is that mostly the default? Nov 13 22:50:16 It's basically the default, modulo setting up a password, setting interface=wlan0 and, in my case, bridge=br0 Nov 13 22:50:30 The last bit likely less relevant on a Panda, where you're probably not setting up a bridge. Nov 13 22:51:05 (As such, your /etc/network/interface bits would be under "wlan0" instead of "br0" too) Nov 13 22:52:11 ... and obviously wouldn't have the bridge_* bits. Nov 13 22:54:45 Yeah, I won't be bridging, only serving. Nov 13 23:00:23 Allright, I'm backing up my data drive now. Tomorrow that should be done, and I'll install ubuntu to the hd. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 14 02:59:59 2012