**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 19 02:59:59 2012 Nov 19 07:58:09 good morning Nov 19 09:54:57 hi all. i tried to install gnome shell on my nexus 7 but sadly it fails with the acceleration check. as unity/compiz works without any problems i thought it should be possible to run mutter, too. Nov 19 10:01:39 marcus, that depends whether it has all of the gles bits in it or not Nov 19 10:01:44 which I am guessing it doesn;t Nov 19 10:02:39 it does Nov 19 10:02:51 but there is a bug in gnome shell ... Nov 19 10:04:00 ah ok Nov 19 10:04:13 bug 1072509 Nov 19 10:04:14 Launchpad bug 1072509 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Gnome Shell/Classic is Unable To Provide Accelerated Experience" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1072509 Nov 19 10:04:46 ogra_, I just assumed it was going to fallback because the gles bits weren't there :p Nov 19 10:04:51 I really should check the source more Nov 19 10:05:02 we ship the tegra3 drivers by default Nov 19 10:05:37 ogra_, I meant in gnome-shell Nov 19 10:05:44 ah Nov 19 12:42:45 I have established a ppp connection through a 3G USB modem, but I still can't ping or wget anything Nov 19 12:43:56 http://pastebin.com/q8p0j2Nz Nov 19 12:45:02 any experience with this is appreciated Nov 19 12:45:12 I'm almost out of ideas Nov 19 12:49:27 VarmVaffel: you show pinging an address..try pinging an ip..In particular, try pinging the gateway ip (ip route should show some useful info) Nov 19 12:50:03 oh it's you again :P Nov 19 12:50:06 I have though Nov 19 12:50:10 same thing happens Nov 19 12:50:23 or well not the same thing, but just no answer Nov 19 12:50:29 sorry ;) Nov 19 12:50:47 pastebin ip route output Nov 19 12:51:09 three lines, I can pastem here Nov 19 12:51:18 10.64.64.64 dev ppp0 src 77.19.71.239 Nov 19 12:51:23 127.0.0.0/8 dev lo Nov 19 12:51:28 default dev ppp0 Nov 19 12:51:44 can you ping 10.64.64.64? Nov 19 12:51:57 no, no answer Nov 19 12:52:14 it's also a strange looking address isn't it Nov 19 12:52:17 and I take it the ppp logs doesn't give any useful info? Nov 19 12:52:26 Nah, it's rather common for these 3g providers Nov 19 12:52:37 aha Nov 19 12:52:50 no I didn't know of any ppp logs, how do I check? Nov 19 12:53:18 I just used pppd call myscript to make the connection Nov 19 12:53:28 the modem also lights up it's LEDs like it should Nov 19 12:53:31 I'd imagine they are in /var/log/ppp.log or similar Nov 19 12:53:41 oh, so you aren't using dist stuff/networkmanager? Nov 19 12:53:52 then it can be a million things :P Nov 19 12:53:56 aha :p Nov 19 12:54:01 no it's a custom embedded Nov 19 12:54:04 machine Nov 19 12:54:10 running just linux Nov 19 12:54:11 also, yes -the 3g modem clearly connects and gets an ip etc Nov 19 12:54:18 ok arligght Nov 19 12:54:22 alright* Nov 19 12:54:47 checking my kernel config to see if there's anything else I can enable Nov 19 12:54:58 or disable Nov 19 13:00:25 RaYmAn so with this, is there some problems I can exclude? Nov 19 13:00:32 like pppd, or the kernel config, or whatnot? Nov 19 13:04:40 well, i guess pppd/authentication certainly works Nov 19 13:04:52 It's merely traffic that doesn't work :P Nov 19 13:06:02 right :P Nov 19 13:09:21 what I'd try next if i were you, would be try and get it working on a desktop linux. Then investigate the config and compare Nov 19 13:24:31 yeah I've done that Nov 19 13:24:35 and I am comparing Nov 19 13:24:40 seems similiar Nov 19 15:12:10 vanhoof: ping Nov 19 15:38:54 cwayne, should the n7 wiki contain the additions about using BT given that BT is known not to work well/be supported? Nov 19 15:39:51 Hi guys I saw in the Nexus7 team's PPA that nux and unity are a bit outdated. .. Nov 19 15:39:52 kyleN: im not sure it should tbh, im not sure when they were added in/by whom Nov 19 15:40:22 smartboyhw: that's because they're specially patched at the moment, we're working on getting the fixes upstream Nov 19 15:40:25 cwayne, perhaps the wiki should have a section set asie for BT workaround Nov 19 15:47:01 smartboyhw: do not update nux and unity or your device will not work Nov 19 15:47:15 mfisch, no I didn't:P Nov 19 15:52:05 cwayne: sup Nov 19 15:53:34 vanhoof: any idea on this guy? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1080205 Nov 19 15:53:35 Launchpad bug 1080205 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Installation fails, cannot mount root filesystem" [Undecided,New] Nov 19 15:54:09 cwayne: you're the installer expert ;) Nov 19 15:54:23 lol Nov 19 15:54:38 mfisch: ping Nov 19 15:54:53 cwayne: yes Nov 19 15:55:06 mfisch: how should we approach these bluetooth bugs? Nov 19 15:55:19 cwayne: printer bugs? Nov 19 15:55:21 mfisch: i feel like they're somewhat invalid, using a shenanigans workaround to get bt to work at all Nov 19 15:55:29 yes, I agree Nov 19 15:55:34 mfisch: one printer, one bt-wizard Nov 19 15:55:35 but my vote would just be to ignore them Nov 19 15:55:38 not mark invalid Nov 19 15:55:46 i was going to suggest incomplete Nov 19 15:55:51 until we get bt officially working Nov 19 15:55:53 or say we will retest when BT is fixed Nov 19 15:55:58 dont mark incomplete, the bugs will expire Nov 19 15:56:14 true Nov 19 15:56:18 i'd rather not leave new though Nov 19 15:56:19 well, that puts some pressure on the lazy BT guys :) Nov 19 15:56:37 "you have 60 days from now on" Nov 19 15:56:37 => commuting Nov 19 15:56:43 ;) Nov 19 15:57:07 * vanhoof thinks about implementing something like this Nov 19 15:57:10 echo $(((0x0000000700f00000) >> 30)) Nov 19 15:58:27 cwayne: will take a look Nov 19 16:27:41 ogra-cb, what's the R image status? Nov 19 16:30:47 janimo, the image with the firmware package added seems to still be building Nov 19 16:31:42 ogra-cb, sounds good Nov 19 16:31:44 janimo, defaults package is missing yet, i need to find a way to rip out libo and tb Nov 19 16:32:09 the current image is 750M big for a simple 6G one thats to bog Nov 19 16:32:10 do you know what nux status is? Nov 19 16:32:15 {*big Nov 19 16:32:18 no idea Nov 19 16:32:42 ogra-cb, I guess TB and libo will go after/if we make the split common/full-desktop seeds that were brought up at UDS Nov 19 16:32:49 i'll start complaining once i end up without a desktop on my test installs ;) Nov 19 16:33:18 GRR Nov 19 16:34:00 this touchpad is to sensitive ! Nov 19 16:34:10 that's what she said Nov 19 16:34:23 janimo, right, but intul then i want a quick hack that just removes them at the end of the build Nov 19 16:34:48 i want images first Nov 19 16:36:44 is there a chromebook channel like there is one for ac100 ? Nov 19 16:37:30 if there is i dont know about it Nov 19 16:41:34 is there a bug for the graphical corruption being seen around the mouse cursor? Nov 19 16:48:23 brendand, i doubt it since the cursor is only shown when a mouse is actually plugged in Nov 19 16:49:28 ogra-cb, ok - filing Nov 19 16:53:18 gah, abootimg error during build Nov 19 17:11:54 * Snark wonders when the arm chromebook will be available in France Nov 19 17:41:54 Snark: you can get it to france from amazon uk Nov 19 17:42:53 with uk keyboard though Nov 19 17:51:40 that what I would like to avoid Nov 19 17:51:47 s/that/that's/ Nov 19 18:42:29 * ogra-cb fires off the next nexus testbuild Nov 19 18:43:13 ogra-cb: The new image builder holding up for you so far? Nov 19 18:43:51 infinity, yep, i had a weird error with the last build though, that looked a bit like it hadn't properly cleaned up Nov 19 18:44:01 mkdir: cannot create directory `userdata': File exists Nov 19 18:44:20 i dont think anything but the nexus7 codepath creates that dir Nov 19 18:44:31 and there is only one mkdir call Nov 19 18:44:46 And did you also clean it? Nov 19 18:45:06 i would expect a new build to trigger a full cleaup Nov 19 18:45:14 isnt that the case ? Nov 19 18:45:33 Not the way live-build works, no. Nov 19 18:45:50 ouch, well, seemed somewhat logical Nov 19 18:45:57 See live-build/auto/clean Nov 19 18:46:03 right Nov 19 18:46:09 now that i think about it Nov 19 18:46:16 Which, actually, could use a few more additions. Nov 19 18:46:25 thats simply the file i never touch :) Nov 19 18:46:47 i probably shoudl though Nov 19 18:46:48 Oh, no, I moved my gnupg madness to config/, so the current clean works for me. Nov 19 18:47:04 But yeah, your userdir stuff should be in there with an rm -rf Nov 19 18:47:09 Or userdata, whatever. Nov 19 18:47:16 yup Nov 19 18:47:38 not fatal if its there though, i'll fix it with one of the next uploads Nov 19 18:48:09 cp $PREFIX.rootfs.tar.gz userdata/rootfs.tar.gz Nov 19 18:48:16 ^-- That should probably be an ln Nov 19 18:48:27 It's not like storage is fast on your builder. :P Nov 19 18:50:16 i'm not sure make_ext3fs can use links Nov 19 18:50:30 i could make it a mv though Nov 19 18:51:00 Hrm? A hardlink should work fine. Nov 19 18:51:05 I didn't mean a symlink. Nov 19 18:51:10 oh, ok Nov 19 18:51:22 well, but an mv does too i think Nov 19 18:51:39 A mv works too, if we don't care about idempotence (and, I guess most of this stuff probably doesn't survive that test) Nov 19 18:53:04 well, first i would be happy if my built actually got to that point :P Nov 19 18:53:12 Hahaha. Nov 19 18:53:15 Picky, picky. ;) Nov 19 18:53:30 You really should be doing most of your livefs testing locally. It's not hard. Nov 19 18:53:57 well, it should be mostly done now Nov 19 18:54:05 i know its not hard Nov 19 18:54:09 You say that every time I suggest local testing. ;) Nov 19 18:54:56 ARGHH ! Nov 19 18:55:34 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libreoffice-common_1%3a3.6.2~rc2-0ubuntu5_all.deb (--unpack): Nov 19 18:55:34 corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive Nov 19 18:55:34 dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe) Nov 19 18:55:47 :( Nov 19 18:56:18 infinity, ^^^ Nov 19 18:56:52 looks like the error is back Nov 19 19:00:23 ogra-cb: Just get a webop or GSA to reboot the machine and then try harder. Nov 19 19:00:30 Or, I'll do that. Nov 19 19:01:46 k Nov 19 19:50:51 ogra-cb: That builder should be reboot, BTW, if you want to try harder. Nov 19 20:00:36 ok, i'll kick off another one Nov 19 22:46:02 grmbl Nov 19 22:46:21 what bloated our default initrd so massively ? Nov 19 22:54:34 hmm, why do i end up with all that lvm2 stuff on the newxus but dont have it on the ac100 Nov 19 22:55:03 and btrfs Nov 19 22:58:43 * ogra-cb gives up for the day ... that will stilll need more fine tuning Nov 19 22:59:19 seems evertyhing exploded ... even the nexus kernel binary is suddenly 4.5M big Nov 19 23:00:06 janimo, any idea if tim changed any options from our defaults ? 4.5M seems pretty big to me Nov 19 23:00:31 (thats just vmlinuz) Nov 19 23:21:36 Is there a LEAP supplicant for LInux?  I'm thinking about moving my Nexus 7 to Linux, but I need LEAP to use the Wifi at work. Nov 19 23:53:31 ogra-cb: 4.5M seems normalish for a distro kernel. Still smaller than my amd64 one by a bit. Nov 19 23:57:00 LisaNori: LEAP should work, AFAIK, but I have no network to confirm this on. Nov 19 23:57:12 ogra-cb, my kernel is 3.5MB and ramdisk is 7MB Nov 19 23:57:16 for the tf201 Nov 19 23:59:25 ogra-cb: If lvm2 is sticking around, that would be an installer failure, since it's meant to remove it if you didn't create any lvm2 bits in the installer. Nov 19 23:59:46 ogra-cb: If this is an oem-config setup, lvm2 shouldn't be there at all, unless something's gone a bit wrong. Nov 20 00:00:47 infinity: Thanks. I was just curious because when I received my nexus7, I tried connecting to my LEAP network and found that Android doesn't seem to support it. It supports PEAP but doesn't seem to support LEAP. Since I'm really planning to reload it with Linux, I don't care about Android as long as Linux works. :) Nov 20 00:01:23 ogra-cb: Oh, hah. This is another case of oem-config-remove not cleaning up properly. ubiquity recommends lvm2, so it's landing on your images. Nov 20 00:02:29 ogra-cb: I bet an apt-get autoremove after installation would magically make it go away. Maybe. If so, we know the fix. Nov 20 00:04:00 LisaNori: A quick Google implies that we've probably supported it for ~5y or so. Nov 20 00:07:53 infinity: Ok, thanks a lot. I should have been able to find this out myself. I'll proceed with moving to Linux. This should be fun! Nov 20 01:00:35 Hi everyone! I was thinking about getting one of those new Samsung Chromebooks to put an ARM version of Ubuntu on. I was wondering what the state of ARM ports for applications in the ubuntu repositories is like. Nov 20 01:22:13 Hi everyone! I was considering popping in to ask a question and then leaving before the person answering me finished typing. I was wondering if this is normal practice. Nov 20 01:22:20 * infinity grumbles. Nov 20 01:27:33 lilstevie: ping Nov 20 01:27:53 lilstevie: FYI, funny thing happened just now -- I can see a particular wifi AP under android, but not under ubuntu Nov 20 01:31:00 http://paste.debian.net/210873/ has my in-house bug report. Anyway, feel free to ping or email me if you're interested in poking at it. Nov 20 01:35:15 twb, feel free to look at it yourself Nov 20 01:35:44 twb, the wifi chip is set up and initialised as it would be in android minus one thing, which should be irrelevant to your situation Nov 20 01:35:47 Yeah, I did for a bit but I couldn't work it out and I'm on company time atm, so I felt bad spending all day on it :-) Nov 20 01:36:38 the only thing that isn't done is writing the mac address into the chips memory space Nov 20 01:36:49 so it uses the built in mac Nov 20 01:37:47 OK Nov 20 01:38:22 BTW, I heard a rumour that your installer thingo for tf101 is vastly more awesome and sexy than when I installed 11.10 - is that true? Nov 20 01:42:34 that is not true Nov 20 01:42:41 or actually Nov 20 01:42:42 maybe Nov 20 01:42:50 which version did you install with? Nov 20 01:42:50 Hehe Nov 20 01:42:51 1.0? Nov 20 01:43:01 Whatever it was just after you renamed it Nov 20 01:43:14 given you are using wpa_supplicant vs network manager sounds like it Nov 20 01:43:16 It installed 11.10 instead of pretty armhf 12.04 Nov 20 01:43:26 Oh, I'm using wpa_supplicant just because I hate GUIs Nov 20 01:43:29 And I hate NM Nov 20 01:43:46 hm Nov 20 01:43:52 I'm sure it defaulted to NM from your install -- i meant awesome and sexy more like it's 12.04 armhf, not relating to wifi at all Nov 20 01:44:17 And like the GUI is accelerated and maybe speakers or hdmi or something works now Nov 20 01:44:18 ok sure then no Nov 20 01:44:24 Oh, OK. Nov 20 01:44:24 not me Nov 20 01:44:25 :p Nov 20 01:44:31 GOod think I was too lazy to try it then :-) Nov 20 01:44:42 I have pretty much discontinued the tf101 Nov 20 01:44:47 supid tegra 2 Nov 20 01:45:04 That's what I figured. I will LART $coworker for lying to me Nov 20 01:45:19 Are you having fun on the tegra3? Nov 20 01:45:21 there is some new installer thing, but it isn't by me, nor have I used it Nov 20 01:45:25 that I am Nov 20 01:45:28 Cool Nov 20 01:47:43 even with crippled emmc r/w tasks like compiling on average finish in 1/3 of the time quicker (ie: on a kernel compile 20min(tegra3) vs 30min(tegra2) Nov 20 01:48:39 but with further performance tweaks that could be reduced even more Nov 20 01:50:06 I'm more interested in ricing the battery life higher Nov 20 01:50:14 heh Nov 20 01:50:23 THe only thing that's too slow for me, is apt upgrades Nov 20 01:50:34 everything else is prety much just a ssh or browse to a "real" computer Nov 20 01:50:39 there is a certain trade-off with the tegra3 for battery life Nov 20 01:50:52 Plus emacs, I guess. Emacs "only" needs 80MB RAM and suchlike, so its meh Nov 20 01:51:19 apt transactions are pretty screwed due to io crippling (on both devices) Nov 20 01:51:42 That combined with dpkg being SUPER anal about flushing to disk Nov 20 01:51:56 It's the pathological case on my btrfs VMs as well Nov 20 01:52:04 heh Nov 20 01:52:17 Though in that case it seems to be less bad under 3.x than it was under 2.6.32 / 3.2 Nov 20 01:52:32 Hm, it's running 3.2 now. Maybe I'm just making shit up... Nov 20 01:52:39 lol Nov 20 02:26:54 transferred bug logging info from blog to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/LoggingBugs **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 20 02:59:57 2012