**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 28 02:59:59 2012 Nov 28 07:19:55 good morning Nov 28 08:40:53 hello Nov 28 09:33:38 can anyone reply to https://twitter.com/yuvilio/statuses/273566993171492864 please? Nov 28 09:40:59 dholbach: It should be roughly the same, hardware-wise, as a Chromebook, if that's helpful. Nov 28 09:41:11 right Nov 28 09:41:16 dholbach: There's kernel work and hobbyist fun going on there, but not by us. Nov 28 09:41:31 * ogra_ isnt aware of any official statements about the nx10 though Nov 28 09:42:01 i guess a chromebook kernel might show up in the archive before release Nov 28 09:42:18 so someone who would try to get it to work should be able to Nov 28 09:42:28 I'm still tossing around the idea of getting an American to send me a Chromebook. Nov 28 09:42:36 Which would give me incentive to maintain a kernel in the archive. :P Nov 28 09:42:44 (cant be to much difference between the two) Nov 28 09:43:36 Part of me is still holding out for Lenovo to make an ARM laptop, so I don't have to compromise on my love of Lenovo keyboards. Nov 28 09:43:43 But I could be waiting a long time for that... Nov 28 09:44:28 n10 kernel is...rather different for some reason., Nov 28 09:44:45 they don't use DTB's Nov 28 09:44:56 but other than that, it should be trivial. Nov 28 10:04:07 thanks everyone Nov 28 10:30:40 dholbach, oh, and a sidenote, no redistributable GLES drivers for the nexus 10, unless that exists its very unlikely for us to switch to it simply because we cant run unity Nov 28 10:30:40 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/11/28/lets-compare-some-cpu/ - you may find it interesting Nov 28 10:31:04 ogra-cb, if the guy replies I'll let him know :) Nov 28 10:31:13 k Nov 28 10:31:31 that could become our general answer to that faq :) Nov 28 10:31:58 (i hear that question once a week, but ignore it most of the time ... ) Nov 28 10:33:09 ogra-cb: n10 has same problem as chromebook Nov 28 10:34:03 yes Nov 28 10:34:19 but has no chromeos to hack around the issue Nov 28 10:34:39 ogra-cb: if you can spare 363MB of data and 1.4GB of disk space then I have solution Nov 28 10:34:44 on the chromebook you can at least pull the libs from chromeos Nov 28 10:34:50 s/data/network data/ Nov 28 10:34:52 cant do that on the nexus10 Nov 28 10:35:40 you have a 363MB download that solves the licensing ? Nov 28 10:36:40 chromebook recovery image can be fetched Nov 28 10:36:51 but user would have to do it ;( Nov 28 10:37:22 the real pita of exynos5 is lack of any license infromation in chromium os (or I did not yet found it) Nov 28 10:38:16 https://dl.google.com/dl/edgedl/chromeos/recovery/chromeos_2913.84.10_daisy_recovery_stable-channel_mp-v2.bin.zip Nov 28 10:38:45 fetch, unpack, use kpartx to split partitions, mount ROOT-A as ro, copy files Nov 28 10:39:04 363MB zip, 1GB img Nov 28 10:39:47 http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromeos-localmirror is also useful if you know what you are searching for. Nov 28 10:39:59 but no libmali there Nov 28 10:54:27 hrw: libmali is the userspace closed lib? Nov 28 10:54:31 yes Nov 28 10:54:51 lardman: long time - how things? Nov 28 10:55:15 hrw: indeed, not bad, 14month old daughter has sort have put a hold on hobby coding up till now Nov 28 10:55:33 but now we're getting at least some sleep, I'm looking for some hw :) Nov 28 10:55:42 lardman: ;) Nov 28 10:55:56 14m should be able to sleep whole night I think Nov 28 10:56:42 hrw: If you'd like to tell her that I'd be happy ;) Nov 28 10:56:50 lardman: ;)) Nov 28 10:57:32 So back on topic, are there blobs for the Mali 400? Nov 28 10:58:03 no idea of mali400 Nov 28 10:58:21 you have exynos4 or allwinner a10? Nov 28 10:58:38 nothing yet, umming and arring about the Nexus 10 Nov 28 10:59:01 nexus10 has mali t604 Nov 28 10:59:07 alternatively the Nexus 7, but I'd quite like to do some on-device opencl (if an sdk is released eventually) Nov 28 10:59:24 yeah, was just wondering whether they are just running slow releasing the relevant files Nov 28 10:59:27 I would not assume that Samsung will release anything Nov 28 10:59:45 the opencl sdk should come from ARM I'd have thought Nov 28 11:11:37 howdy lardman Nov 28 11:11:45 hey lilstevie Nov 28 11:11:59 am heading over to your neck of the woods early next year Nov 28 11:12:12 well not necessarily that close, but closer than here anyway Nov 28 11:12:41 heh Nov 28 11:12:45 where abouts? Nov 28 11:12:49 Adelaide Nov 28 11:13:00 to visit family Nov 28 11:13:09 ah fair enough Nov 28 11:13:15 not close, but closer :p Nov 28 11:13:22 yep Nov 28 11:20:41 hmm, interesting that the only installer for the the latest Mali OpenGL ES SDK for Linux on ARM is a Windows MSI file... :) Nov 28 11:22:25 nothing interesting in there though, shame Nov 28 11:30:22 xnox, did you btw research why the current /usr/lib/ubiquity/wallpaper fails or did you only look at compiz integration yet ? Nov 28 11:30:58 ogra_: working at compiz bits right now. Did not troubleshoot the wallpaper fail yet. Nov 28 11:49:00 xnox, ah, finally found the bug again (and gave it a better title) bug 1081260 Nov 28 11:49:00 Launchpad bug 1081260 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/ubiquty/wallpaper crashes after boot of livecd" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1081260 Nov 28 11:50:14 ogra_: well it's interesting, but the "crash" reproducer is wrong as it needs to be called with the path to background (and error message says so) Nov 28 11:50:24 yeah Nov 28 11:50:36 ogra_: but yeah, I'm in gtk right now to fix a compiz bug ;-) Nov 28 11:50:46 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1394259/ Nov 28 11:50:56 thats his actual error in the ubiquity-dm log Nov 28 11:51:06 seems also that wallpaper.c still uses gtk2 Nov 28 12:04:43 bug 1048976 Nov 28 12:04:44 Launchpad bug 1048976 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Update default ubuntu wallpaper to quantal version" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048976 Nov 28 12:26:27 oha ! Nov 28 12:26:42 plymouth works if i enable debugging Nov 28 12:27:09 ogra-cb: which kernel argument? Nov 28 12:27:22 plymouth:debug Nov 28 12:27:28 cool Nov 28 12:27:59 btw - what plymouth does other than bootsplash? cause I do not see any difference when boot chromebook without plymouth Nov 28 12:28:04 well, i also have break=bottom enabled might be that there is a race i avoid through that Nov 28 12:28:22 bootslpash is an in kernel hack Nov 28 12:28:40 ? Nov 28 12:28:59 thats the only "bootsplash" i know Nov 28 12:29:24 ok, let me rephrase... what plymouth does at all? Nov 28 12:29:25 hmm, dropping plymouth:debug still gives me a splash Nov 28 12:30:09 hrw, libplymouth does all kernel-userspace interaction (like a poor mans dbus for UI stuff, i.e. passwords, fsck input etc) Nov 28 12:30:30 thats why i.e. mountall requires it Nov 28 12:30:55 the rest is just bling Nov 28 12:31:21 hmm, so am i brave and try it without break=bottom now ... Nov 28 12:31:28 at the risk of having to reinstall my nexus Nov 28 12:31:31 thx Nov 28 12:32:06 * ogra_ doesnt get why it breaks at install time so badly Nov 28 12:34:10 aha ! Nov 28 12:34:32 so it crashes id i dont have either plymouth:debug or break=bottom set Nov 28 12:39:41 http://code.google.com/p/chromium-os/issues/detail?id=36717 Nov 28 12:40:40 ++ Nov 28 12:41:15 will fill similar ones for bunch of others Nov 28 12:41:29 openmax, mfc firmware Nov 28 12:41:39 openmax, yeah Nov 28 12:41:57 ogra_: http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromeos-localmirror/distfiles/openmax-0.0.1-r5.tbz2 Nov 28 12:42:09 ogra_: binaries only Nov 28 12:42:18 do they work ? Nov 28 12:42:36 ogra_: no experience with openmax here Nov 28 12:43:04 i only have experience with gst-omx Nov 28 12:43:21 that doesnt look like it would be anyhow related to gst Nov 28 12:43:36 yep Nov 28 12:46:38 ogra_: both ubiquity panel & wallpaper are gtk3. Nov 28 12:47:46 ok Nov 28 12:48:01 i thought i saw a gtk2 header but seems i looked at precise code here Nov 28 12:48:21 (sorry for the false alarm due to that) Nov 28 12:51:29 ogra_: interesting bug 296538 Nov 28 12:51:29 Launchpad bug 296538 in unity-2d "warty-final-ubuntu.png is actually a JPEG file" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296538 Nov 28 12:51:47 ogra_: /me ponders if the wallpaper works on e.g. xubuntu. Nov 28 12:51:48 a bit old though Nov 28 12:52:01 that wouldnt explsin it on the nexus7 though Nov 28 12:52:05 *explain Nov 28 12:52:15 we use the default ubuntu-wallpapers wallpaper Nov 28 12:52:28 ogra_: red-herring or something got strict. Nov 28 12:52:38 * xnox sees no wallpaper in the amd64 VM Nov 28 12:53:43 ah Nov 28 12:53:51 so not arch or flavour specific Nov 28 12:54:30 kvm that is. Nov 28 12:55:06 anyway, fixed the compiz bug will do a merge proposal now =)))) Nov 28 12:56:56 ogra_: compiz is the last fallback, so on the images you'll need to somehow unseed metacity. Nov 28 12:57:37 what i still wonder is why g-s-d doesnt just default to draw the wallpaper Nov 28 12:57:58 it should just use the system defaults the desktop uses later too Nov 28 13:00:15 * ogra_ files bug 1084063 Nov 28 13:00:17 Launchpad bug 1084063 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouth in raring seems to have a race condition on the nexus7" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1084063 Nov 28 13:00:36 i have not the slightest idea how to debug this :( Nov 28 13:00:56 the kernel goes into a reboot loop so i wont be able to capture any info Nov 28 13:24:35 xnox, oh ! if i can unseed metacity, i can re-seed the slideshow i guess Nov 28 13:24:49 without it eating all my space Nov 28 13:25:43 ogra_: well merge proposal is up. As soon as it's reviewed, I'll merge and upload new ubiquity ;-) Nov 28 13:27:28 xnox, approved ;) Nov 28 13:27:59 xnox, i'm wondering though if we couldnt merge all these /proc/cmdline parsing into one function and set all vars we need at the top Nov 28 13:28:17 ogra_: cheat. what about three-pairs of eyeballs? =) Nov 28 13:28:30 well, if you feel like Nov 28 13:28:40 i assume you have tested that before requesting Nov 28 13:28:51 ogra_: also on nexus do you need to move the ubiquity because of onboard? Nov 28 13:29:03 move ? Nov 28 13:29:17 ogra_: yes, literarly move the ubiquity window around the desktop Nov 28 13:29:31 the current nexus image is fine apart from missing slideshow and wallpaper Nov 28 13:29:34 * xnox didn't enable that compiz plugin, nor resize. Nov 28 13:29:41 ack. Nov 28 13:29:48 ok, merge and upload I guess =) Nov 28 13:29:50 onboard cares for that itself Nov 28 13:29:57 cool =) Nov 28 13:30:13 if it detects it covers the focused input area *it* moves around Nov 28 13:30:19 no need to move the windows ;) Nov 28 13:30:42 its a bit jumpy in the user setup screen Nov 28 13:30:58 but nothing we can avoid atm Nov 28 13:31:18 unless we switch to ion3 or awesome and use a fixed two pane layout ;) Nov 28 13:33:21 * xnox glares at ogra for daring to mention tiling window managers Nov 28 13:33:40 hey its a tablet, they are perfect for that Nov 28 13:34:16 its the predecessor to BathroomWindows^WWindows Metro Nov 28 14:01:17 * ogra_ adds various sleeps to the initrd init to see if that helps plymouth Nov 28 14:01:42 hmm, no, doesnt look like Nov 28 14:15:46 YAY ! Nov 28 14:19:42 * ogra_ updates bug 1084063 Nov 28 14:19:42 Launchpad bug 1084063 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouth in raring seems to have a race condition on the nexus7" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1084063 Nov 28 16:27:21 bug 1083723 Nov 28 16:27:22 Launchpad bug 1083723 in upstart (Ubuntu Raring) "'telinit u' has a cage fight with busybox init" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1083723 Nov 28 18:01:48 ogra_: are the new dailes down in size to not have to use -S? Nov 28 18:08:12 vanhoof, yes, they should just work now (limited to 6G indeed) Nov 28 18:08:22 ogra-cb: sweet Nov 28 18:09:49 i havent tested todazs, but yesterdays was fine Nov 28 18:09:56 *todays Nov 28 20:14:13 <[mbm]> did anyone ever get anywhere with nexus7 multiboot? Nov 28 20:14:45 yeah) Nov 28 20:15:22 <[mbm]> link? Nov 28 20:15:33 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403 Nov 28 23:52:12 ogra_: can we purge https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch/QemuDebootstrap, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootStock from the face of earth Nov 28 23:52:39 ogra_: and redirect people to: $ ubuntu-core images or $ mk-sbuild --arch armhf raring Nov 28 23:53:02 ogra_: do we have cloud-init armhf images? those work great with quick download & launch a qemu instance. Nov 29 00:24:11 Hey guys Nov 29 00:24:41 trying to recompile the Ubuntu-nexus7 kernel with MAC80211 and CFG80211 set to "M" Nov 29 00:25:16 getting 'undefined reference to' for like every function of CFG80211 Nov 29 00:25:20 ie: /root/ubuntu-nexus7/drivers/net/wireless/bcmdhd/wl_cfg80211.c:6016: undefined reference to `cfg80211_scan_done' Nov 29 00:25:34 any thoughts or help would be greatly appreciated Nov 29 00:25:35 thanks Nov 29 01:19:09 Hey guys, so I'm trying to recompile the kernel for ubuntu 12.10 for the Nexus7 Nov 29 01:19:27 changed the kernel config file so MAC80211 and CFG80211 are set to 'm' Nov 29 01:19:56 and when I go to recompile I run into 'undefined reference to' errors for every function of CFG80211 Nov 29 01:20:17 any ideas or suggestions in the right direction would be greatly appreciated Nov 29 01:20:19 thanks! Nov 29 01:26:01 Awk9000, you will also need to set BCMDHD to "m" Nov 29 01:26:44 awesome! Nov 29 01:26:45 thank you! Nov 29 01:28:12 im cross compiling, do u think that has something to do with it? Nov 29 01:44:40 no, it has everything to do with the bcmdhd driver requiring those symbols Nov 29 01:46:06 I would have thought that the kernel config system would recognise this somehow and make that change... Nov 29 01:46:18 Talk about possibly shooting yourself in the foot. Nov 29 01:46:30 But then I guess its mostly distro folks who deal with kernel configs these days anyway. Nov 29 01:46:50 Or people who know what they're about. Nov 29 01:48:12 Kernels config deps are indeed supposed to prevent you from building something in if its deps are built as modules, but bugs happen. Nov 29 01:55:36 OK - so can i ask a dumb question? Nov 29 01:55:48 im following this guide on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Kernel Nov 29 01:55:59 and tried the cross compiling on ubuntu 12.04 Nov 29 01:56:07 using debuild Nov 29 01:56:18 it creates .udeb packages Nov 29 01:56:46 so can I just install those on the Nexus7 ubuntu image directly without modding the kernel on the device itself? Nov 29 01:56:58 I've always just compiled on the device itself, like the N900 for instance Nov 29 01:57:16 so the cross compiling is kinda confusing to me... Nov 29 01:57:30 but lilstevie i will try what u said and see what happens Nov 29 01:57:31 thanks man Nov 29 02:03:30 Hey everyone...not to shake up a barrel of monkeys, but anyone know if packet injection / monitor mode works on the internal wireless card???? Nov 29 02:03:34 ;-D Nov 29 02:04:08 haven't googled the exact card yet, know its a broadcom which gives me some hope knowing about the injection developments lately for broadcom chipsets.... Nov 29 02:23:39 holy F#@! lilstevie YOU ARE THE F'ING MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nov 29 02:23:42 MUWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA Nov 29 02:23:52 THE MOLECULAR AMPLIFICATION CHIP WORKS!!!! Nov 29 02:24:18 ALL HAIL LORD AND RULER KRANG OF DIMENSION X!!!!!!! Nov 29 02:24:24 oh wait... Nov 29 02:24:26 shit... Nov 29 02:24:31 may have spoke too soon..... Nov 29 02:24:38 getting warnings... Nov 29 02:24:48 come on....baby.....WORK Nov 29 02:29:16 Awk9000: The .udeb packages are for debian-installer, it's the .deb packages you should be interested in. Namely linux-image-$(abi)-$(flavour)_$(version).deb Nov 29 02:29:33 Awk9000: And yeah, just installing that with 'dpkg -i foo.deb' should do the trick. Nov 29 02:44:45 awesome ya, im familiar with 'dkpg -i foo.deb', so .udeb is for the gui installer in ubuntu or debian in general? Nov 29 02:44:51 udeb = ubuntu deb? Nov 29 02:45:02 thanks for the response infinity! Nov 29 02:47:20 so basically I'm trying to install the compat-wireless drivers on Ubuntu 12.10 for the Nexus 7 Nov 29 02:47:35 which is why I'm mucking with the kernel config to begin with Nov 29 02:47:49 anyone had any luck with that yet? Nov 29 02:48:09 Awk9000: udeb = micro deb, special stripped down debs for the installer. Nov 29 02:48:27 awesome thank you sir! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 29 02:59:59 2012