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Dec 02 03:41:06 <davecheney> is their a quantal-server-armhf-image available ?
Dec 02 03:41:11 <davecheney> for omap4
Dec 02 03:46:02 <infinity> davecheney: http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/
Dec 02 03:46:46 <infinity> davecheney: Or, if you're after netboot images, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/quantal/
Dec 02 03:57:24 <davecheney> infinity: i tried the netboot last night
Dec 02 03:57:31 <davecheney> it doesn't setup the uboot parition
Dec 02 03:57:38 <infinity> Sure it does.
Dec 02 03:57:43 <davecheney> nup
Dec 02 03:57:47 <infinity> It *is* the uBoot partition
Dec 02 03:57:56 <davecheney> right, but after you go through the installer
Dec 02 03:58:00 <infinity> The only way for that to fail is if you either repartition the card, or remove it.
Dec 02 03:58:08 <davecheney> the sdcard is just formatted like a usual quantal install
Dec 02 03:58:18 <infinity> Oh.  Yeah.  Don't install to the SD card.
Dec 02 03:58:24 <infinity> It's designed to install to other media.
Dec 02 03:58:46 <davecheney> infinity: shuld I start with precise and dist-uprade instead ?
Dec 02 03:58:51 <infinity> ...
Dec 02 03:58:55 <infinity> The installers are identical.
Dec 02 03:59:07 <infinity> Oh, unless you mean a precise preinstall.
Dec 02 03:59:09 <davecheney> as in, start with the precise sever omap4 image
Dec 02 03:59:14 <infinity> Why do you want to run from SD so badly?
Dec 02 03:59:21 <davecheney> 'cos I only have a panda
Dec 02 03:59:28 <infinity> ... and?
Dec 02 03:59:40 <davecheney> yeah, I guess I can use outboard usb
Dec 02 03:59:43 <infinity> I run all my Pandas from external media.  Makes them not suck. :P
Dec 02 03:59:53 <davecheney> the internal card is farqing slow
Dec 02 04:00:01 <davecheney> ok, that sounds like a plan
Dec 02 04:00:09 <infinity> Yes, this is why we don't officially support installing to SD anymore.
Dec 02 04:00:13 <infinity> It's an awful user experience.
Dec 02 04:00:19 <davecheney> use the netboot installer, install to the usb drive
Dec 02 04:00:28 <davecheney> then i need to adjust my uboot settings right ?
Dec 02 04:00:35 <infinity> (That said, if you use netboot and then tell the installer to "install to largest contiguous free space" instead of "entire disk", it might work)
Dec 02 04:00:42 <davecheney> or will the netboot installer do that for me ?
Dec 02 04:00:45 <infinity> No, it'll do everything right for you.
Dec 02 04:00:58 <davecheney> if i'm not an idiot an let it overwrite the card I just booted from :)
Dec 02 04:01:01 <infinity> Just select the external disk and "entire disk", and it'll do the right thing and rewrite the SD card.
Dec 02 04:01:16 <davecheney> okie dokes
Dec 02 04:01:17 <davecheney> thanks mate
Dec 02 04:01:31 <infinity> Even a USB thumb drive is a huge improvement over running from SD, but I do recommend an external hard drive (rotary is fine, SSD is a waste of money).
Dec 02 04:02:00 <lilstevie> SSDs are faster than USB
Dec 02 04:02:04 <davecheney> for all my machines they mount /home over nfs
Dec 02 04:02:10 <davecheney> so I only use the sdcard for /
Dec 02 04:02:15 <davecheney> and once everything is cached
Dec 02 04:02:20 <davecheney> it's usable
Dec 02 04:02:27 <lilstevie> hell even a lot of rotary disks have faster access times
Dec 02 04:02:44 <infinity> Oh, if you're doing things like that, then yeah, you might want to try installing to SD, I suppose.
Dec 02 04:03:03 <infinity> Like I said, we don't "officially" support it, but if you pick the "largest contiguous space" option instead of "entire disk", it may DTRT.
Dec 02 04:03:09 <infinity> It used to.  But I haven't tested that in a while.
Dec 02 04:03:10 <davecheney> i'd say usb ethernet and usb sata would be about as aweful
Dec 02 04:03:19 <davecheney> infinity: i'll try largest
Dec 02 04:03:44 <infinity> USB HDDs are ridiculously fast in comparison to SD, though, if you intend to do anything locally.
Dec 02 04:04:10 <infinity> (Also, SD cards kinda burn out and explode with heavy use, but if you're essentially using it read-only, that's not as big a deal)
Dec 02 04:04:26 <davecheney> infinity: btw, nexus 7 with lightdm shutdown is a pretty decent build host
Dec 02 04:04:41 <davecheney> but again, mount your home from somewhere else
Dec 02 04:04:48 <davecheney> that is an expensive flash card
Dec 02 04:05:03 <infinity> Building over networks doesn't excite me terribly. :/
Dec 02 04:05:14 <infinity> If I could both charge it *and* have a USB HDD plugged in at the same time, I'd love it.
Dec 02 04:05:40 <davecheney> that would rquire some kind of bi sexual usb cable
Dec 02 04:05:45 <infinity> Exactly.
Dec 02 04:05:54 * davecheney shudders 
Dec 02 04:05:56 <infinity> I have enough build hosts lying around here, though.
Dec 02 04:06:14 <infinity> And still considering jumping on the Chromebook bandwagon.
Dec 02 04:06:31 <davecheney> if I could get someone to mule me one from the states, us!
Dec 02 04:06:33 <davecheney> yes!
Dec 02 04:06:40 <davecheney> i have the reddies in my hot little hand
Dec 02 04:06:44 <davecheney> but you can't buy the buggers in AU
Dec 02 04:07:21 <infinity> Yeah, can't buy them in Canada either, but getting friends to ship across that border is less hassle.
Dec 02 04:07:42 <davecheney> i'll keep an eye out for folks making the trip across the ocean
Dec 02 04:07:52 <davecheney> but I suspect it'll be UDS-R before I can get one
Dec 02 04:07:58 <infinity> And I usually buy all my laptops in the US, just due to the fact that they always try to fleece us on local sales.
Dec 02 04:08:15 <infinity> Our dollars are basically at parity right now, but everything's mysteriously 30% more expensive here.
Dec 02 04:08:32 <davecheney> infinity: yes, the AUD is kicking the greenback's arse
Dec 02 04:08:42 <davecheney> but for some reason there is a 10-20% living in australia tax
Dec 02 04:08:58 <infinity> davecheney: Your tax makes some sense.  People have to send stuff to you in the middle of nowhere.
Dec 02 04:09:15 <davecheney> nah, that is bullshit
Dec 02 04:09:17 <infinity> davecheney: In my case, everything ships from the same warehouses (often, ironically, ones in Canada).
Dec 02 04:09:22 <davecheney> taiwan is a lot closer to AU than Canada
Dec 02 04:09:55 <davecheney> samsung are korean, i think
Dec 02 04:09:55 <infinity> davecheney: Yes, but you're a population of 20M.  We're 350M.
Dec 02 04:10:14 <infinity> davecheney: That *does* make a difference when it comes to how you can or can't ship bulk.
Dec 02 04:10:20 <davecheney> 22million i'll have you know, we've been busy
Dec 02 04:10:27 <davecheney> yeah, i'm just whinging
Dec 02 04:10:28 <infinity> (I know it sucks, I used to live in Melbourne(
Dec 02 04:10:29 <infinity> )
Dec 02 04:11:05 <infinity> The trick was to have friends visit.  Or travel lots.
Dec 02 04:11:11 <infinity> And always get stuff on the outside. :P
Dec 02 04:11:18 <infinity> Except lambs.
Dec 02 04:12:25 <davecheney> infinity: i've also got hold of an imx.53
Dec 02 04:12:33 <davecheney> how do you run the sata port on there
Dec 02 04:12:37 <davecheney> considering there is no power header
Dec 02 04:21:39 <infinity> I have mine plugged into an internal->eSata adaptor, and have it plugged into an eSATA drive in a caddy.
Dec 02 04:22:38 <davecheney> ahh, right, so your getting the power from the caddies wall wart
Dec 02 04:22:44 * infinity nods.
Dec 02 04:22:52 <infinity> That's the only sane way to get power to anything on these boards.
Dec 02 04:22:56 <infinity> Same for USB drives.
Dec 02 04:22:57 <davecheney> yup
Dec 02 04:23:04 <infinity> Driving them from the USB hub will end in tears.
Dec 02 04:23:16 <davecheney> oh no, think of the children!
Dec 02 04:24:50 <davecheney> infinity: doing largest looks like it'll work
Dec 02 04:24:56 <davecheney> it started at partition 2 this time
Dec 02 04:25:01 <davecheney> thanks for the tip
Dec 02 04:25:51 <infinity> Yeah, this could all be made more elegant, but... The biggest consumers of netboot on omap/omap4 boards also happen to be people who preseed and do their own twisted magic anyway.
Dec 02 04:26:07 <infinity> As such, it never became much of a priority to make this more user-friendly.
Dec 02 04:26:11 <infinity> Or friendly at all. :P
Dec 02 04:26:16 <davecheney> i think it's pretty decent
Dec 02 04:26:31 * davecheney has been playing with freebsd/arm
Dec 02 04:26:34 <davecheney> that is _not_ user friendly
Dec 02 04:26:55 <infinity> Oh, sure, we're more friendly than most everyone else.  But I hold myself to a higher standard than that. :P
Dec 02 04:27:08 * davecheney nods
Dec 02 04:28:41 <infinity> Someone really needs to send me a Beagle xM.
Dec 02 04:28:50 <infinity> This C4 I'm testing on makes me want to kick puppies.
Dec 02 04:29:21 <infinity> I bet I could have kidnapped a bucket of XMs when I was in London last.  And I forgot.  Drat.
Dec 02 04:33:39 <davecheney> c4 ?
Dec 02 04:33:53 <davecheney> "when i doubt, c4!"
Dec 02 04:34:24 <infinity> davecheney: Ancient beaglboard model, 750MHz, 256MB of RAM.
Dec 02 04:34:37 <lilstevie> ew
Dec 02 04:34:38 <infinity> davecheney: Not the most pleasant system to be testing my omap3 fixes on.
Dec 02 04:34:54 <davecheney> oh sadface
Dec 02 04:35:12 <davecheney> can't you use the loco ?
Dec 02 04:35:23 <infinity> To test omap3 stuff?  That would be a cute trick.
Dec 02 04:35:28 <infinity> Given that it's a different SoC. :)
Dec 02 04:35:35 <davecheney> oh, sorry
Dec 02 04:35:43 <davecheney> i keep forgetting that it's not Ti
Dec 02 04:35:55 <infinity> Heh.
Dec 02 04:36:07 <davecheney> but then again, there won't be any more OMAP boards now
Dec 02 04:36:13 <davecheney> so i'd better get use to that
Dec 02 04:36:56 <infinity> And I was so looking forward to the Panda5.
Dec 02 04:37:04 <davecheney> have they just given up
Dec 02 04:37:11 <infinity> No.
Dec 02 04:37:13 <davecheney> i heard they were selling the OMAP5 rights
Dec 02 04:37:18 <davecheney> or they were at least up for sale
Dec 02 04:37:21 <infinity> I'm actually not sure of the current state of affairs.
Dec 02 04:37:40 <davecheney> there is also the exyijis
Dec 02 04:37:45 <davecheney> i have no idea how to spell that
Dec 02 04:37:56 <davecheney> the quad cortex-a9
Dec 02 04:37:58 <davecheney> from samsung
Dec 02 04:38:17 <infinity> Exynos.
Dec 02 04:38:22 <davecheney> yes
Dec 02 04:42:33 <davecheney> ok, gotta fly, thanks for your help
Dec 02 04:42:43 <davecheney> will report back when the net install is done
Dec 02 18:46:20 <tassadar_> Will 12.10 version of ubuntu for nexus 7 get any updates or not?
Dec 02 22:27:58 <xenome> does midori not support html5 anymore?  It seems to work great under the angstrom distribution
Dec 03 00:44:59 <ptl> does any of you know how to enable HDMI sound on the UG802 with ubuntu?
Dec 03 02:54:33 <stgraber>  /win 37
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