**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 04 02:59:59 2012 Dec 04 03:07:39 Maybe delete everything under /var/lib/apt/lists/ and run `apt-get update` again? This should redownload everything, but it won't fix it if it's an issue with the checksums on the server. Dec 04 03:16:18 It won't be a mirror issue, that file has been static for months. Dec 04 03:16:26 Unless it's actually corrupt on the mirror he's hitting. Dec 04 03:17:05 Which is pretty unlikely for ports. Dec 04 03:18:20 Nope, looks fine from here. Dec 04 03:18:31 mjrosenb: Try persia's "delete the world and try harder" approach. Dec 04 03:21:09 * mjrosenb is running apt-get update as i type Dec 04 03:29:50 well, that is strange Dec 04 03:29:55 it says there is no new release Dec 04 03:30:17 but dist-upgrade wants to upgrade 1,223 packages Dec 04 03:30:28 and /etc/issue now says that I am running 12.10 Dec 04 03:30:56 Are the nexus7 raring images working yet? Dec 04 03:31:03 apt believes you to be running 12.10 with outdated packages (based on the content of /etc/apt/sources.list) Dec 04 03:31:15 persia: sounds right. Dec 04 03:31:41 * mjrosenb wonders if this is going to attempt to install a new kernel Dec 04 03:31:48 and how that is going to go if it does Dec 04 03:32:16 It will only do so if you have a kernel package installed for which there is a newer package available in your currently configured archives. Dec 04 03:37:46 I never installed a kernel package Dec 04 03:38:00 although I should still get perf on here at some point or other. Dec 04 03:40:04 and iirc, the kernel that this is running was just copied from chromium so we'd get nice driver support out of the box Dec 04 04:45:02 great, now plymouth is throwing an assertion Dec 04 04:45:12 hrmm Dec 04 04:45:24 actually, I have absolutely no clue how to recover this system Dec 04 04:52:37 <[mbm]> mjrosenb: nexus7? Dec 04 04:53:10 <[mbm]> there was an open bug about that one; the console=none in the kernel commandline was causing issues, and plymouth had been disabled until it could be fixed Dec 04 05:01:34 [mbm]: no, chromebook. Dec 04 05:38:39 although I would not be surpred if this is the same assertion that the nexus 7 is throwing Dec 04 06:16:10 so, I'd like to do something fancy like init=/bin/bash Dec 04 06:16:26 but I don't actually know how to touch the kernel arguments on here. Dec 04 08:01:56 good morning Dec 04 08:05:49 morning. Dec 04 09:31:02 http://lwn.net/Articles/526920/ Dec 04 09:31:05 Support for Tegra 2D hardware Dec 04 09:32:58 ppisati, heh, you just missed the person intrested in it most :) Dec 04 09:33:15 (though igues marvin24 has seen it already) Dec 04 09:33:23 marvin24, http://lwn.net/Articles/526920/ Dec 04 09:34:05 ppisati, sadly tegradrm doesnt work with the binary driver yet Dec 04 09:34:20 (afaik) Dec 04 09:35:14 ogra_, ppisati: yeah, this will take a *long* time Dec 04 09:35:41 right, and thanks to our new desktop policy we are bound to the GLES drivers Dec 04 09:35:57 so even if it would land tomorrow, we couldnt use it Dec 04 09:36:04 cause of unity Dec 04 09:36:13 well, compiz, but yeah Dec 04 09:36:19 what abount software gles? Dec 04 09:36:24 *about* Dec 04 09:36:36 i didnt get it working on the nexus yet Dec 04 09:36:58 i have it working on the chromebook and dont know why :) Dec 04 09:37:14 does anyone know how to change the parameters that the kernel gets on a chromebook? Dec 04 09:37:20 ogra_: strange ... Dec 04 09:37:25 mjrosenb, probably hrw Dec 04 09:37:51 mjrosenb: you have to sign kernel and at that stage you can change cmdline Dec 04 09:37:52 easy Dec 04 09:38:00 mjrosenb: > Dec 04 09:38:00 > Dec 04 09:38:00 > Dec 04 09:38:02 ops Dec 04 09:38:06 mjrosenb: https://plus.google.com/u/0/109993695638569781190/posts/34PYU79eUqP Dec 04 09:38:10 so just get a pen then :P Dec 04 09:39:37 ogra_: any progres on teaching plymouth to check proper console=? Dec 04 09:39:54 hrw, it isnt the console parameter at all :) Dec 04 09:40:06 or whatever Dec 04 09:40:13 hrw, it is a missing piece of console-setup Dec 04 09:40:28 ogra_: tell me more Dec 04 09:40:45 if you build your initrd with FRAMEBUFFER=1 set in the initramfs.conf, plymouth works fine Dec 04 09:41:25 I do not have initrd Dec 04 09:41:29 i'm working on tracking it down to a specific function in console-setup, once i have that well just add it to the plymouth upstart job and it should work Dec 04 09:41:45 we'll Dec 04 09:41:53 hrw: the issue is I cannot currently boot into ubuntu Dec 04 09:42:13 hrw, right, initrd doesnt matter its just that you can fix it by having an initrd that runs console-setup Dec 04 09:42:13 mjrosenb: tell me more? Dec 04 09:42:41 which means running that console-setup bit from an upstart job before plymouth starts should work as well Dec 04 09:43:13 hrw: I attempted to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 with the standard do-dist-upgrade, and now it plymouth just thros an assertion, and I cannot continue booting. Dec 04 09:43:44 mjrosenb: boot chromium, mount ubuntu, cd ubuntu/etc/init/;rm plymouth*;reboot Dec 04 09:43:52 works just fine Dec 04 09:44:21 no, the biuts will re-appear on next update Dec 04 09:44:27 or s/rm plymouth*/for f in plymouth*;do echo manual > ${f}.override/ Dec 04 09:44:30 or s/rm plymouth*/for f in plymouth*;do echo manual > ${f}.override;done/ Dec 04 09:44:45 drop the rm's Dec 04 09:44:46 iirc, I can boot into chromium by just turning on the validation again? Dec 04 09:44:59 yeah Dec 04 09:45:11 the above looks fine Dec 04 09:45:24 mjrosenb: better is keep chromium kernel in KERN-A and boot ubuntu with KERN-B or KERN-C Dec 04 09:45:34 *nod* Dec 04 09:45:41 so all you need is change of partition priorities Dec 04 09:46:13 works just fine Dec 04 09:46:16 hrw: so I didn't touch the kernels, I just ran do-dist-upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade Dec 04 09:46:23 err, maybe it wasn't do-dist-upgrade Dec 04 09:46:27 do-release-upgrade? Dec 04 09:46:29 mjrosenb: do update to 13.04 Dec 04 09:46:31 I tab-completed it Dec 04 09:46:57 do-release-upgrade is the right tool Dec 04 09:46:59 hrw: is support better in 13.04? Dec 04 09:47:04 yes Dec 04 09:47:07 mjrosenb: s/better// Dec 04 09:47:15 hrw, up0loads packages and fixes all the time :) Dec 04 09:47:18 12.10 does not know anything about chromebook Dec 04 09:47:30 hrw: does 12.04? Dec 04 09:47:40 you are joking or not? Dec 04 09:48:02 the 12.04 that you can install with that weird script that downloads 50 tarballs will work Dec 04 09:48:15 (since it is hacked up) Dec 04 09:49:06 yeah, that is how I installed it to begin with. Dec 04 09:50:13 I used python to calculate offsets and did setup with linaro image Dec 04 09:50:26 that's why my chromebook may lack some packages Dec 04 09:53:31 I am waiting for 32GB microsd card to arrive so will have pristine ubuntu install on it Dec 04 09:53:58 unless courier would bring me another chromebook... Dec 04 09:54:03 but this will rather not happen Dec 04 09:55:40 is there a microsd card reader other than the full-sized sdcard on the side? Dec 04 09:57:12 there are small usb readers Dec 04 09:57:26 which sticks out for 3mm from socket Dec 04 09:58:05 ahh. I've seen those Dec 04 09:58:59 this one that holds the microsd card so it will eject *into* the computer if you could theoretically eject it when it was inside the computer? Dec 04 10:00:27 no idea - order not arrived yet Dec 04 10:02:23 this mount command is taking quite a while to complete... Dec 04 10:04:47 aaand, ^C does not do anything on this terminal :/ Dec 04 10:13:12 ok, problem solved Dec 04 10:13:35 i assume I need to re-run |sudo cgpt add -i 6 -P 5 -S 1 /dev/mmcblk0| in order to get this machine to want to boot into ubuntu again? Dec 04 10:20:57 -T5 Dec 04 10:21:09 or -T1 at least Dec 04 10:21:14 ok, this time, it finished the kernel initializations, then "mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth" and is now hung there Dec 04 10:21:27 what does that do? Dec 04 10:22:00 sets 'tries' field Dec 04 10:22:55 oh, so it'll boot into ubuntu N times, then go back to cros? Dec 04 10:23:58 no, thats matter of priority field Dec 04 10:24:10 you have 3 fields: tries, priority, successful Dec 04 10:24:35 priority == which kernel boot first and which if first one fail Dec 04 10:24:45 successful = this kernel boots at all Dec 04 10:53:57 i think i'll go with something like the second one here http://tbreak.com/tech/2012/06/quick-look-apacer-32gb-usb-3-0-memory-sticks/ Dec 04 10:54:23 the values arent stellar but still far beyond USB 2.0 Dec 04 10:54:55 (for the chromebook rootfs) Dec 04 10:56:47 ogra-cb: nice :) Dec 04 10:57:10 i havent found a place to buy it yet though Dec 04 10:57:43 http://www.shopmania.co.uk/external-memory/p-apacer-ah152-super-mini-usb-drives-16gb-48812413 but 16GB only Dec 04 10:57:54 it is small enough to not turn into a lever that opens the netbook case if you press it :) Dec 04 10:58:56 I have to connect my usb3.0 harddrive and check speed Dec 04 10:59:21 you should see between 80 and 120M/s Dec 04 10:59:50 i personally think even 60 are awesome alreadfy though :) Dec 04 11:00:43 ogra-cb: it's just a pity you can't use usb 3.0 to boot kernel from :( Dec 04 11:00:56 i dont care Dec 04 11:01:10 as long as my rootfs runs off a fast device Dec 04 11:01:32 and as long as i *can* boot a kernel somehow :) Dec 04 11:31:33 RaYmAn: you put kernel in KERN-C on internal and boot rootfs on usb3 - fine Dec 04 11:36:47 sure Dec 04 11:39:14 internal emmc has 59 MB/s average read in gnome-disks bench Dec 04 11:44:33 ech. gnome-disks fails to bench my usb3 drive Dec 04 11:44:37 on chromebook Dec 04 11:45:25 file a bug :) Dec 04 11:45:41 hdparm has 92MB/s Dec 04 11:50:05 Bug #1081019 already exists Dec 04 11:50:07 Launchpad bug 1081019 in gnome-disk-utility (Ubuntu) "Benchmark for Harddisk fail" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1081019 Dec 04 11:51:43 same hdd connected to desktop has 147 MB/s average Dec 04 11:56:27 I miss "maximize to whole available desktop space" action in WM Dec 04 12:04:32 which WM ? Dec 04 12:08:52 kwin Dec 04 14:46:30 hi. Does anybody know why ext4 fs is prefered over a "flash" fs such as ubifs ? Dec 04 14:49:24 fmoreau: for a flash file system, such as ubifs, you need a raw interface to the flash. most device these days instead have a MMC interface where you can only put block filesystems, such as ext4 Dec 04 16:18:59 o/ Dec 04 16:39:21 yippie ! Dec 04 16:39:26 slideshow is back Dec 04 16:41:31 xnox, hmm, so that onboard behavior is really bad in oem-config since the switch to compiz Dec 04 16:41:46 i actually have to reboot to make typing work Dec 04 16:43:52 plars, janimo, so i dont get why you need adbd instead of just using ssh over usbnet Dec 04 16:44:24 ogra_, no idea if usbnet works I never used it Dec 04 16:44:31 it does Dec 04 16:44:40 pretty agressively even :) Dec 04 16:44:57 ogra_, if the current kernel needs some patch or config options enabled feel free to ping the kernel team :) Dec 04 16:45:04 if not then a wiki entry would be nice Dec 04 16:45:08 * ogra_ accidentially built it in into one of his test kernels ... made my desktop NM go crazy :) Dec 04 16:45:09 I never used this feature Dec 04 16:45:42 it should not interfere with normal work though and not be buggy :) Dec 04 16:45:47 ogra_: same, never tried usbnet. If you have some pointers I'd like to hear more about it though. adb is nice from the perspective of being a similar tool for what a lot of people would have normally used there, and has some neat features, but I'm not really stuck on it Dec 04 16:45:48 it doesnt Dec 04 16:46:18 but NM shows you it tries to auto establish the network (it only shows you a wired connection) Dec 04 16:46:27 ogra_: will usbnet have issues since the n7 might be on a server, potentially with several other n7's attached doing the same thing? Dec 04 16:46:42 it just took me quite aq while to find out that this behavior comes from the attched nexus (which didnt have the NIC up ) Dec 04 16:47:04 plars, usbnet just behaves like any other network Dec 04 16:47:21 ogra_: So I'd need to be able to bring up those connections and distinguish between them Dec 04 16:47:25 just that your device is called usb0 and that the wire is actually a usb connection to the next machine Dec 04 16:48:08 ogra_, janimo: so it sounds like we just need a kernel with it turned on, and give it a try Dec 04 16:48:15 right Dec 04 16:48:21 ogra_, and it shows up depending on whether you connect the nexus to a laptop or not? Dec 04 16:48:28 i simply assume you want to issue more than just a reboot via ssh Dec 04 16:49:03 janimo, plugging in the USB connection with usbnet *buioltin* will always try to bring up usb0 (and the desktop/laptop side for it) Dec 04 16:49:16 indeed you shouldnt build it in :) Dec 04 16:49:27 but load it on demand as module Dec 04 16:49:45 ogra_: I don't actually have NM running on the ubuntu-server they are attached to currently Dec 04 16:50:10 well, you want to attach more of them Dec 04 16:50:19 i would actually runs something like dnsmasq Dec 04 16:50:40 so you can hand out IPs to them via dhcp Dec 04 16:50:51 and preseed usb0 properly for that Dec 04 17:26:11 ogra_: why does a reboot help after flashing in oem-config? a reboot is still treated as first boot if oem-config is not completed? Dec 04 17:26:21 ogra_: is it a problem with fastboot reboot then? Dec 04 17:42:50 xnox, nope. rather with some ubiquity-dm race or onboard Dec 04 17:43:41 and yes, oem-config-remove is run last, it removed ubiquity-dm ... as long as that didnt run you will always end up in oem-config on next boot Dec 04 17:43:46 *removes Dec 04 17:44:55 ogra-cb: right so if I reboot a few times sometimes onboard is fine and sometimes it isn't? but doesn't ubiquity launch onboard anyway ... Dec 04 17:45:01 * xnox will have to play with it. Dec 04 17:45:09 err no Dec 04 17:45:19 if you reboot onboard will always work fine Dec 04 17:45:36 it just doesnt if it boots through from the tarball installer Dec 04 17:46:12 i could add another reboot to the process but imho we already have to many (especially with the one we will need for the hostname later) Dec 04 17:56:31 janimo: so from what I'm reading, it looks like it's could just be CONFIG_USB_ETH that we need to turn on? Dec 04 17:57:12 plars, ogra-cb should know as he had a kernel with that enabled. I am not certain what other (if any) options are required Dec 04 21:03:52 hrw: ping Dec 04 21:12:26 unrelatedy, if I don't want oneconf or update-manager running, what is the right way to turn them off? Dec 04 21:59:56 ok, so I'm going to assume that the best way forward at this point is to just go through the chrubuntu setup again, since all of the data I care about is on an external sdcard Dec 04 22:35:07 mjrosenb: pong Dec 04 22:36:02 hrw: should I try to get 12.10 working, or should I just give up, re-install from the crazy tarball-downloading script, then try to update directly to 13.04? Dec 04 22:41:05 mjrosenb: I suggest skipping 12.10 Dec 04 22:41:50 well, the plann was to get 12.10 booting, then immediately upgrade to 13.04 Dec 04 22:48:38 mjrosenb: make a backup, upgrade to 13.04 directly. if fail - restore backup Dec 04 22:55:23 hrw: that shouldn't be too hard, the partitions are small enough that I can dd them both onto an external sd card. Dec 04 23:21:10 is anyone familiar with the rockchip rk3066 devices? e.g. those chinese hdmi sticks like MK808? Dec 04 23:23:17 and does anyone have a complete kernel source? the chinese manufacturers don't seem to care much about the GPL. Dec 05 01:09:00 ok, I'm not entirely sure how to back up my chromebook's ubuntu install Dec 05 01:09:51 normally, I'd just boot into another OS, then dd if=/dev/root of=/backup, but there isn't another OS that I can easily boot into Dec 05 01:09:54 well Dec 05 01:10:00 I guess I could boot into cros Dec 05 01:56:53 ok, are there directions for updating the chromebook to 13.04? Dec 05 02:06:59 mjrosenb: regarding your 1st question above, what about using rsync ? Dec 05 02:08:12 mjrosenb: regarding your 2nd question about updating to 13.04, you could always add the raring ppa's to your /etc/apt/sources.list and upgrade that way. Of course after you do a full backup ;) Dec 05 02:08:44 mjrosenb: if your looking for an 'official' announcement then I would have to say, google is your friend... Dec 05 02:08:53 * sfeole is thinking about purchasing a chromebook Dec 05 02:27:43 sfeole: i've been happy about it thusfar Dec 05 02:28:18 mjrosenb: the last few days I was watching some youtube videos. I was impressed with the speed and video playback Dec 05 02:28:19 sfeole: I didn't want to use rsync because I had no guarantee that the files would be consistent, since there are lots of things accessing everything Dec 05 02:28:36 sfeole: now, I suspect that the ubuntu update scripts have *no* clue how to update the kernel Dec 05 02:28:45 mjrosenb: mmmm , i see Dec 05 02:28:49 and updating to 12.10 did not go spectacularly Dec 05 02:29:03 so I suspect I also need to know how to update the kernel Dec 05 02:34:08 mjrosenb: I see what you mean, I just came across this while googling, http://bit.ly/rFDYjt Dec 05 02:36:32 sfeole: that does not seem to be talking about updating an already installed system, nor about a kernel Dec 05 02:36:52 mjrosenb: no it does not, just general installation.. Dec 05 02:37:41 mjrosenb: If I catch any good articles relating to your problems during my research I'll be sure to let you know Dec 05 02:42:21 I've googled a bunch, but mostly find how to install it Dec 05 02:42:27 and even less about arm chromebooks. Dec 05 02:44:20 but yes, thanks in advance if you find anything! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 05 02:59:58 2012