**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 05 02:59:59 2012 Dec 05 08:07:17 good morning Dec 05 08:23:56 ogra_, did you check out the unity build didrocks mentioned? Dec 05 09:42:58 dholbach, i will once everything is built Dec 05 09:43:07 libunity is still missing ... Dec 05 09:44:02 I tried the raring image earlier and found it impossible to enter anything at all :) Dec 05 09:44:25 so I reflashed with quantal and will dist-upgrade and then install it manually Dec 05 09:44:29 dholbach, yeah, havent filed that bug yet, a reboot fixes it Dec 05 09:44:36 it didn't for me Dec 05 09:44:44 I tried external keyboard and onboard Dec 05 09:44:45 no dice Dec 05 09:45:01 it only happens when the installer boots directly from the tarball installer into X Dec 05 09:45:12 the subsequent boots it should work fine Dec 05 09:45:22 I tried, it didn't :/ Dec 05 09:45:28 (onboard that is, i dont use external kbds anymore here) Dec 05 09:45:29 but I'm happy to try again some other time Dec 05 09:45:56 ok, upgrade is running, I'll take the dog for a walk now Dec 05 09:46:00 but touches ... i.e. button presses worked ? Dec 05 09:46:24 yes, but I couldn't anything into any of the textboxes Dec 05 09:46:29 or did no input work at all Dec 05 09:46:35 k Dec 05 09:46:43 so its the same bug, just worse for you Dec 05 09:46:49 is there a setting to make kernel output go to the screen or not? running Debian on my tablet outputs text during boot, Ubuntu shows a black screen until the login prompt Dec 05 09:46:55 i wonder why, HW is the same Dec 05 09:47:10 no idea Dec 05 09:47:14 I'll be back in a bit Dec 05 09:47:22 yep, walk the dog Dec 05 09:47:53 DogP, ubuntu defaults to having "quiet" and "splash" on the kernel cmdline Dec 05 09:48:14 if you remove them you should get some output Dec 05 09:48:47 ogra_: ah, I'll check that... thx Dec 05 11:05:08 xnox, heh, if ubuntu archive would only accept source uploads the nvidia and ati users would be severely screwed :) Dec 05 11:05:31 ogra_: software != hardware drivers. Dec 05 11:05:53 well, we have enough binary only software in multiverse as well Dec 05 11:06:22 the archive only accepts source packages, but doesnt care whats inside them Dec 05 11:06:31 ogra_: OpenERP is pure python modules. And if a person mentions "no change debs" it's something that will be hard to support with ever changing python & OpenERP versions. Dec 05 11:07:14 oh, yeah, i wouldnt want him to upload his cruft :) Dec 05 11:07:29 but your statement wasnt right, we have tons of binary only software Dec 05 11:07:29 ogra_: sure sure. Do we have binary only software in multiverse? /me thought it was more about restricted licenses (e.g. education only) Dec 05 11:07:58 multivers means everything that is distributable, no matter what format Dec 05 11:08:15 as long as the license allows redistribution Dec 05 11:08:28 ogra_: I have tried to choose my language carefully =))))) (e.g. to discourage but still stay on the slippery slope) Dec 05 11:08:46 "source uploads only" as in .changes is source only ;-) Dec 05 11:08:52 yeah Dec 05 11:09:46 ogra_: e.g. I have seen people put debs in a native source package and in debian/rules do "tadah" here is your package. Dec 05 11:10:36 lol Dec 05 11:10:46 not in any archive i hope Dec 05 11:13:24 janimo, plars, so i played a bit with the gadget stuff ... you cant compile it as a module (the power supply needs it builtin, seems power is routed through gadget) .... using the composite or usbnet option makes NM on a desktop you attach to try to initiate a usb0 point to point connection, that looks quite weird so i think we cant do that Dec 05 11:14:30 janimo, plars, what works really well is the cdc_serial gadget though, it simply gives you a serial device if you connect the USB cable ... serial is probably a bit harder to script than ssh though Dec 05 11:15:46 ogra_, I know about the failing build due to power supply that is why I did not pursue it last time Dec 05 11:16:01 if CDC works that is ok too Dec 05 11:16:23 as I said, I never used any of these gadgety functionality with overlapping use cases Dec 05 11:17:10 ok, silly problem-- my laptop does not seem to be setting the correct dns server Dec 05 11:17:24 janimo, plars http://paste.ubuntu.com/1412283/ Dec 05 11:17:33 I'm decently sure that the dhcp server is broadcasting it correctly Dec 05 11:17:53 is there any way to see what the dhcp server is actuall sending? Dec 05 11:17:59 janimo, plars, thats the needed changes, /etc/init/ttyS1.conf can be shipped in ubuntu-default-settings-nexus7 Dec 05 11:18:25 mjrosenb, logs :) Dec 05 11:19:08 ogra_: what logfile would that be in? Dec 05 11:19:19 ogra_, any chance you tell that to kernel team as in case they want extra info they come back to bug you? :) Dec 05 11:19:20 dunno Dec 05 11:19:32 grep DHCPOFFER /var/log/* Dec 05 11:19:53 such as is nothing lost when disabling g_android? Dec 05 11:20:01 janimo, sure, just wanted to hear from plars if serial is enough for him before i move on Dec 05 11:20:26 janimo, nah, nothing lost apart from replacind adbd with getty on serial :) Dec 05 11:20:45 that feels a lot more "linuxy" imho :) Dec 05 11:20:59 ogra_, but this could not be shipped turned on by default to help devs who have broken wifi or no USB peripherals? Dec 05 11:21:07 hahha. Dec 05 11:21:20 this image still has logs from the person who set up the image. Dec 05 11:21:24 having something that works by default even if not adb would be great Dec 05 11:21:28 janimo, why not ? Dec 05 11:21:34 ogra_, just asking :) Dec 05 11:21:39 if it can we should I say Dec 05 11:21:40 ok, there is "nameserver 192.168.0.1" in the logfile Dec 05 11:21:46 it shouldnt do any harm to have an extra serial port on by default Dec 05 11:21:46 but not in /etc/resolv.conf Dec 05 11:21:48 wtf Dec 05 11:22:04 then we can stop recommening USB keyboard if someone wants to debug their system Dec 05 11:22:06 janimo, definitely Dec 05 11:23:51 ok, I killed dnsmasq, and /etc/resolv.conf still has 127.0.0.1 and 8.8.8.8 Dec 05 11:23:58 but not the one that dhcp specified Dec 05 11:53:51 hum, I get "Wi-Fi Networks - device not ready" in network manager Dec 05 11:54:03 maybe you're discussing the same problem just now? Dec 05 11:54:24 I was testing the raring iamge on the nexus7, but it seems that unity is showing only corruption.. Dec 05 11:54:40 background image is fine, all panels are just noise Dec 05 11:54:57 mlankhorst, I get the same here - do you use the unity daily build ppa? Dec 05 11:55:30 I just used the instructions for installing the raring image Dec 05 11:55:36 ok Dec 05 11:55:54 unity in the daily build ppa just finished building - maybe that'll fix it Dec 05 11:56:07 I'll just need to fix my net connection to see if it makes it work Dec 05 11:56:51 does the image enable the ppa? Dec 05 11:57:25 no, not AFAIK Dec 05 11:57:44 it's ppa:ubuntu-unity/daily-build (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build?field.series_filter=raring) Dec 05 11:58:49 hm how do I even enable it then.. corruption is making it impossible :-) Dec 05 11:59:04 attach keyboard and ctrl-alt-t Dec 05 11:59:13 oh right Dec 05 12:01:21 use onboard :) Dec 05 12:01:39 its in the panel, just click blindly until you find it Dec 05 12:02:10 (then use ctrl-alt-t in onboard and install openssh-server) Dec 05 12:02:15 ogra-cb, I get "Wi-Fi Networks - device not ready" in network manager Dec 05 12:02:21 not sure what to do about it Dec 05 12:02:41 dholbach, did you reboot already ? Dec 05 12:02:49 yes Dec 05 12:03:03 weird, i dont get that here Dec 05 12:03:16 man, I want your Nexus7 Dec 05 12:03:22 everything just magically works there Dec 05 12:04:20 "reboot" seems our equivalent of 2004's http://paste.ubuntu.com/1412338/ :) Dec 05 12:04:27 well, the HW should be the same for all but the 3G devices Dec 05 12:04:47 no 3G here Dec 05 12:04:52 lol Dec 05 12:04:54 and after a reboot it's still unhappy Dec 05 12:05:10 geez, where did you dig that one up Dec 05 12:05:27 3mal darfste fragen :) Dec 05 12:05:49 heh Dec 05 12:06:08 I'll let you know, it's not exactly acting fast Dec 05 12:06:51 ogra-cb, which kernel are you running? Dec 05 12:07:12 -7 or -8? Dec 05 12:07:27 YIPPIE !!!! Dec 05 12:07:36 the ppa packages work !!!! Dec 05 12:10:37 dholbach, currently some self compiled one that has serial gadget support enabled Dec 05 12:11:08 ogra-cb, could you try to boot the current raring one and see if that breaks your network? Dec 05 12:11:13 but its originallz the -8 package i think Dec 05 12:11:24 mlankhorst, does wifi work for you with the -8 kernel? Dec 05 12:11:29 that is the latest raring image Dec 05 12:11:37 installed last night Dec 05 12:14:02 dholbach, ome-config didnt offer you to set up WLAN ? Dec 05 12:14:17 *oem Dec 05 12:14:24 ogra-cb, it's a dist-upgrade - as I said earlier: installing the image didn't work for me (no keyboard input) Dec 05 12:14:38 (or at least I couldn't enter anything into the text boxes) Dec 05 12:15:32 upgrade with the PPA still enabled ? Dec 05 12:15:42 i wonder if that could break something Dec 05 12:16:15 no, update-manager disabled it Dec 05 12:16:31 what definitely works is if you ignore oem-config and actually use NM applet to set up wlan Dec 05 12:16:40 at least for me Dec 05 12:16:55 non ubiquity windows seem to get the focus just fine Dec 05 12:17:21 so i did set up wlan via NM, rebooted and onboard just worked Dec 05 12:17:21 nm-applet tells me that "device not ready" Dec 05 12:17:24 whatever that means Dec 05 12:17:39 i'm talking about the installer here Dec 05 12:17:55 oh Dec 05 12:18:14 yes, I realise you're talking about the installer - I didn't use it :) Dec 05 12:18:15 i have an idea what coudl eb wrong for upgrades (no easy way to solve it though) Dec 05 12:18:36 ok, I'll try flashing again in a couple of days :-( Dec 05 12:18:43 the linux-firmware-nexus7 package isnt seeded, upgrades wont pull it in Dec 05 12:19:07 yes, it's not installed Dec 05 12:19:14 can't I just copy it over with a usb stick? Dec 05 12:19:19 dholbach, in a couple of dazs i'll be on vacation, if you want to debug it and have it fixed before end of year you should ebug it now :) Dec 05 12:19:32 indeed you can just copy it over Dec 05 12:19:35 yeah, but I have quite a lot of other tasks too :/ Dec 05 12:19:43 and I spent all morning on this Dec 05 12:19:44 ok Dec 05 12:19:46 I'll try that then Dec 05 12:19:47 ogra-cb: It shouldn't be seeded... Dec 05 12:20:03 infinity, well, but depended on by something or so Dec 05 12:20:19 i know it shouldnt be seeded, thats why it isnt :) Dec 05 12:20:42 i assume making ubuntu/defaults/nexus7 depend on it should work Dec 05 12:20:42 By the nexus7 kernel metapackage, yes. Dec 05 12:20:56 or the meta, yeah Dec 05 12:21:14 not sure whats harder to hack up ... we shouldnt make it a dep though Dec 05 12:21:18 but a recommends Dec 05 12:21:28 Why not a dep? Dec 05 12:21:32 ok, package installed - let's see if that makes it work Dec 05 12:21:38 linux-firmware is a dep of all linux-image metapackages. Dec 05 12:21:56 infinity, so the hardcode free SW guys can use it without the firmware (and make the free drivers work) Dec 05 12:22:10 ogra-cb, I'm happy Dec 05 12:22:19 is there a bug report for this, or will this be fixed soon? Dec 05 12:22:20 * ogra-cb hugs dholbach Dec 05 12:22:28 feel free to file it Dec 05 12:22:30 ogra-cb: Fair enough. Can make it a recommends of the linux-image, then. Dec 05 12:22:36 * infinity does so. Dec 05 12:22:44 ah, no need to file it then Dec 05 12:22:52 great, thanks Dec 05 12:23:11 i guess i can hack it out of livecd-rootfs then Dec 05 12:26:50 ogra-cb: Uploaded. Dec 05 12:27:03 yay, thx Dec 05 12:28:07 we still need an onboard release in raring Dec 05 12:28:20 the upstream folks generally seemed receptive to the idea - I'll ping them again today Dec 05 12:28:30 well, onboard works for me Dec 05 12:28:44 oh, for the versioning and upgrades ? Dec 05 12:28:48 yes Dec 05 12:28:57 yeah Dec 05 12:29:16 new unity makes us happy Dec 05 12:29:17 :-D Dec 05 12:29:21 mlankhorst, ^ Dec 05 12:29:32 yep, works quite okayish Dec 05 12:29:41 seems eth workspace switcher has some issue though Dec 05 12:30:02 (no icon and it seems to hang after using it a few times for me) Dec 05 12:30:48 oh, its not the W|S switcher that hangs, the mouse is stuck in grab mode Dec 05 12:30:55 so thats the old xinput issue Dec 05 12:31:38 The workspace switcher is sketchy on a desktop machine, nevermind introducting touch input. :/ Dec 05 12:31:57 yeah, but its not the switchers fault in this case Dec 05 12:32:14 i have a firefox window stuck to my mouse atm Dec 05 12:32:19 I disagree. The switcher's default it to attempt to grab if you left-click, not switch. Dec 05 12:32:22 And left-click is all you have. Dec 05 12:32:31 luckily the powerbutton causes a propwe shutdown after 60sec Dec 05 12:32:43 *proper Dec 05 12:33:02 It's a subtly annoying behaviour on desktop machines that's amplified on touch. Dec 05 12:35:50 * ogra-cb wonders why we have the system settings in the launcher as well as in the session indicator Dec 05 12:35:59 seems redundant Dec 05 12:36:08 We.... Do? Dec 05 12:36:17 yeah Dec 05 12:36:22 I don't here. Dec 05 12:36:41 Maybe you pinned it by accident? :P Dec 05 12:36:50 i have the gear with the wrences in a fresh nexus7 install Dec 05 12:37:25 Weird. I guess it could be a fresh install versus upgrade thing, since this is a raring machine that used to be precise. Dec 05 12:37:37 And I absolutely agree it shouldn't be there if it is. Dec 05 12:37:47 well, we had it in the quantal images too Dec 05 12:37:56 at least on the nexus Dec 05 12:40:23 the math of upower seems really wrong Dec 05 12:40:48 * ogra-cb has 93% battery left according to it ... which results in 1.7h (!?!) Dec 05 12:41:21 Maybe you've killed your battery already? :P Dec 05 12:41:36 nah, i think its the new kernel or rarings fault Dec 05 12:45:16 Man, I really want a nexus 7 now :( Dec 05 12:45:53 why dont you have one yet ? Dec 05 12:46:21 iirc your manager even sits on the spare ones Dec 05 13:13:03 * sfeole wonders if the nux fix has landed for raring yet Dec 05 13:15:32 sfeole, in the daily ppa .... it will get uploaded to the archive soon Dec 05 13:15:48 (the unity ppa that is) Dec 05 13:15:56 ogra-cb: thats great news Dec 05 13:16:14 with luck it makes tomorrows image Dec 05 13:42:09 ogra-cb: which ppa is the unity-team daily? Dec 05 13:45:38 dholbach: yeah I forgot to hit send :-) Dec 05 13:46:10 still a bit glitchy or slow with redraw though, not sure yet Dec 05 13:47:37 dah i found it, in /staging Dec 05 14:05:37 sfeole, well, the binaries are just getting published into raring Dec 05 14:05:48 you shouldnt need the ppa anymore after thats done Dec 05 14:07:06 ogra_: ack Dec 05 14:14:19 ogra_, ogra-cb, janimo: serial is better than nothing at all, but it's not ideal. It lacks an easy way to transfer files. adbd or ssh would be much nicer. Dec 05 14:14:47 ogra_, ogra-cb, janimo: how far away from working do you think adbd would be, given that janimo says he's had it working in the past? Dec 05 14:15:34 plars, i simply heavily dislike the fact to depend on any android stuff ... the kernel patch was just sent to the kernel ML to change to g_serial Dec 05 14:16:01 plars, I think adb could be made to work if someone gave it a day of work since we know others have done it Dec 05 14:16:27 ogra_, is the new patch preventing adb from working even in theory? Dec 05 14:16:41 plars, adbd would need to be packaged too though Dec 05 14:17:10 janimo, no idea if adb can attach to a serial connection Dec 05 14:17:28 ogra_, I see no problem leveraging android related free software, especially since it is for debugging and testing, not something that androidized the Ubuntu experience Dec 05 14:18:05 janimo, well, the proper fix imho would be if someone fixed the kernel to accept gadget support to be modular Dec 05 14:18:08 ogra_, if the g_android functionality is removed then adbd will not work over USB as it could now? In this case I think it is a regression even if we did not get it to work Dec 05 14:18:20 i have no idea about adbd Dec 05 14:18:22 I thought the patch introduces no regression whatsoever Dec 05 14:18:24 ogra-cb: Actually, my parents wouldnt buy me one :( Dec 05 14:19:09 janimo, how do you mean regression ? Dec 05 14:20:21 tecnically i think the target of what we are doing here is to make ubuntu work right ... androidizing ubuntu instead of fixing the setup to just work with linux oboard bits doesnt seem right to me Dec 05 14:20:24 ogra_, as in not supporting something the unpatched kernel does Dec 05 14:20:38 with the current one adbd has at least the chance to work if someone figures it out Dec 05 14:20:40 what does the unpatched kernel do ? Dec 05 14:20:47 which adbd ? Dec 05 14:20:51 we dont have the userspace Dec 05 14:20:58 stock adbd binary from android Dec 05 14:21:02 we do have the userspace to support g_serial Dec 05 14:21:36 (we even have the userspace to support ssh over usbnet ... the issue is the androidization of the kernel that avoids us from modularizing the gardget stuff) Dec 05 14:22:11 instead of poking at the symptoms, someone should fix the cause and sort the kernel issue here Dec 05 14:28:23 plars, xz/yz shoudl work fine for transferring files over serial Dec 05 14:29:10 (or however the tools lrzsz ships are called) Dec 05 14:29:14 ogra_: those are some things I haven't used since my bbs days :) Dec 05 14:29:32 and the good thing is that you can have that access in initrd already Dec 05 14:29:52 but yes, might be ok as long as we don't have to transfer anything too huge. Probably mostly just logfiles and the sort I *think* Dec 05 14:30:06 so you can have initrds with scripts you can trigger for whatever thing you do (re-flash for example) Dec 05 14:35:36 plars, oh, note also that there was a kexec patch added recently, you might be intrested in that one for testing setups Dec 05 14:37:52 hmm, so we still need a fix for bug 1055949 Dec 05 14:37:52 is there someone in particular that deals with firefox on ubuntu/arm, or do the people that deal with firefox/x86 also deal with arm issues? Dec 05 14:37:53 Launchpad bug 1055949 in unity (Ubuntu Raring) "Unity panel shadow appears as solid black bar on GLES/ARM (Pandaboard, Nexus 7)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055949 Dec 05 14:38:08 mjrosenb, yes Dec 05 14:38:11 :P Dec 05 14:38:27 chrisccoulson, ^^^ a customer for you Dec 05 14:40:41 the overlap between #ubuntu-arm #pandaboard and #linaro is impressive :-p Dec 05 14:41:04 #pandaboard often enough just redirects people to us Dec 05 14:41:18 #linaro is kind of upstream from #ubuntu-arm perspective Dec 05 14:41:23 I know, that is why I'm in here Dec 05 14:41:25 ;D Dec 05 14:41:36 I don't actually understand the relationship between linaro and ubuntu Dec 05 14:41:41 there is also #debian-arm on oftc but less popular Dec 05 14:41:47 linaro does core upstream stuff Dec 05 14:41:54 ubuntu assembles a distro Dec 05 14:42:09 mjrosenb: Linaro works on making linux on arm the best possible. Ubuntu (as a distro) makes use of it Dec 05 14:42:26 mjrosenb: and Linaro makes use of Ubuntu as source of packages for test images Dec 05 14:42:27 i.e. linaro cares upstream for kernels, bootloaders, GLES support, toolchain Dec 05 14:42:39 multimedia, graphics etc Dec 05 14:43:29 ubuntu just grabs these bits, applies glue and bling and whoops, there's a distro :) Dec 05 14:46:29 gotcha. thanks. Dec 05 14:50:16 hrw: I dunno if #debian-arm is "less popular", or just has a different focus. Dec 05 14:50:38 hrw: We're almost always talking about toolchain type scary in there, and this channel is more about device enablement and pretty fluff. Dec 05 14:50:40 definitely it is annoyingly on a different network Dec 05 14:50:56 ogra_: I consider it annoying that Ubuntu settled/stayed on freenode, to be fair. :P Dec 05 14:50:59 * ogra_ used to be there when it was still freenode Dec 05 14:51:28 well, debian used to be here too Dec 05 14:51:38 Yes, a very, very long time ago. Dec 05 14:52:14 June 4th, 2006 was the switch, apparently. Dec 05 14:52:25 yeah, i remember it Dec 05 14:52:34 thanks for making me feel old ! Dec 05 14:53:23 * ogra_ was already suspecting the grey hair isnt a morning hallucination Dec 05 14:54:10 infinity: and I like that split Dec 05 15:48:20 marvin24, did you get a chance to look at ac100 patches to the mainline kernel as a possibility of syncing to 3.8 for 13.04? Dec 05 15:56:46 janimo: I wanted to wait until 3.7 is out before posting patches against 3.8 Dec 05 15:57:05 marvin24, sounds good Dec 05 15:58:48 you can allways get patches against -next at http://gitorious.org/~marvin24/ac100/marvin24s-kernel/commits/for-next-thierry btw Dec 05 15:58:55 janimo: ^^^ Dec 05 15:59:08 if you want to try out Dec 05 16:00:20 * ogra_ thought the binary drivers wont work with mainline Dec 05 16:11:50 marvin24, thanks. Dec 05 16:12:03 I wish my ac100's wifi wasn't broken though Dec 05 16:13:49 janimo, i thought you did the HW fix Dec 05 16:14:54 ogra_, nope Dec 05 16:15:31 I was not sure it was a hw issue and I have not reinstalled since. But it probably is even if it appeared out of the blue Dec 05 16:15:57 it most likely is Dec 05 16:18:35 geez that new nexus kernel really misbehaves wrt battery sometimes Dec 05 16:19:24 "your system will shut down soon if you do not apply power to it (13min, 93%)" Dec 05 16:19:57 inbetween it dumps to something like 8% but then it shows several hours left Dec 05 16:20:11 and sometimes it just works like it did with the old kernel Dec 05 16:20:13 very weird Dec 05 16:34:49 ogra_: you don't need binary driver if you have tegra drm Dec 05 16:35:28 marvin24, for GLES and video playback ? Dec 05 16:36:14 for this children game stuff, yes Dec 05 16:36:47 on the other hand, nvidia tries to upstream nvhost stuff to make it going with their binary drivers Dec 05 16:36:58 yeah, i was expecting that Dec 05 16:37:09 so we will get both, tegra drm, open source ddx and binary drivers for 3d/video decode Dec 05 16:37:18 move to the community what you can, only keep the actual proprietary bity yourself :) Dec 05 16:37:22 *bits Dec 05 16:37:33 but its not there yet Dec 05 16:37:46 well, I guess it's not decided yet if they also open up 3d stuff Dec 05 16:37:57 I guess that depends on user demand Dec 05 16:38:16 or maybe some nouveau people will step in once the user interface is in the kernel Dec 05 16:38:23 *user api* Dec 05 16:38:35 well, even if they dont Dec 05 16:38:58 having the 2D stuff maintained by the community simply saves money if you can flange your 3D stuff on top Dec 05 16:39:17 so they dont need to care for the kernel side Dec 05 16:39:22 yes, it reduces the maintaince burden Dec 05 16:39:30 even nvidia started to recon this Dec 05 16:39:48 they stole that ingenoius concept from robclark ;) Dec 05 16:39:48 but it also cause more work at the beginning Dec 05 16:40:03 yeah, definitely Dec 05 16:40:11 but pays off massively in the end Dec 05 16:40:53 also device tree makes things lot of easier Dec 05 16:41:08 but also needs carefull thinking at the beginning Dec 05 18:50:52 I'm going to buy ODROID-X2, anyone know a good reason I shouldn't? Dec 05 19:14:52 chrisccoulson: ping? Dec 05 19:25:03 Hey guys, I'm sure this gets asked every day but does anyone know if the ubuntu install for the Nexus 7 32GB with 3G works yet? Dec 05 19:25:31 last time I tried it a couple weeks ago it didn't work, just wondering if there's been any progress since? Dec 05 19:25:32 thanks Dec 05 19:32:23 Ethernin: 13.04 should work if I'm not mistaken Dec 05 19:36:22 anyone know what timezone chrisccoulson is in? Dec 05 19:36:28 or what time he is likely to respond? Dec 05 19:39:20 whois says he's from germany Dec 05 19:47:12 tassadar_: No, /whois says he's connected to a server in Germany, which doesn't mean much, since the servers are on a DNS round-robin. Dec 05 19:48:04 whois chrisccoulson Dec 05 19:48:07 mjrosenb: He's in the UK. Not sure what his usual working hours are. Dec 05 19:48:13 that was silly. Dec 05 19:48:15 :) Dec 05 19:48:21 infinity: thanks. Dec 05 19:48:42 * tassadar_ will keep his mouth shut now, it'll be better for everyone) Dec 05 19:59:15 tassadar_, hey thanks man i'll try it Dec 05 22:10:28 janimo: gave you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1070770 Dec 05 22:10:29 Launchpad bug 1070770 in ubuntu-nexus7 "bluetoothd dies with glibc malloc memory corruption when used with brcm_patchram" [Medium,Confirmed] Dec 05 22:11:36 achiang, I wonder if I need some BT peripherals or an android phone would do for debugging Dec 05 22:12:02 janimo: you don't own any BT devices? :) Dec 05 22:12:27 achiang, hey I only got my first smartphone 3 months ago what do you want? :) Dec 05 22:12:42 heh Dec 05 22:12:54 I'll get some BT headset if it is needed fo debugging though Dec 05 22:13:19 janimo: alternative is to spin up a kernel and ask people to test it Dec 05 22:13:26 janimo: i'm sure you'll find lots of interested helpers Dec 05 22:13:50 * janimo checks the bug details Dec 06 00:00:08 huh, this is interesting Dec 06 00:00:25 on my chomebook, the status bar seems to know about my battery Dec 06 00:00:30 but acpitool is clueless Dec 06 00:06:12 janimo: i can take a look at the kernel tomorrow AM Dec 06 00:39:54 mjrosenb, have a look at the output from "upower -d" Dec 06 00:40:10 mjrosenb, that is where the power applet gets the data from Dec 06 00:42:01 lilstevie: most excellent. Dec 06 00:42:08 lilstevie: has this replaced acpi? Dec 06 00:43:28 mjrosenb, arm doesn't have acpi Dec 06 00:44:14 Well, it is possible those Windows RT tablets do, but current ARM hardware does not Dec 06 00:44:15 well Dec 06 00:44:19 that makes sense Dec 06 02:44:19 Here is hoping that acpi doesn't come to arm in any form. :S **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 06 02:59:58 2012