**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 11 03:00:00 2012 Dec 11 06:39:03 diwic: YO! the man i wanted to see! Dec 11 06:39:10 raster, hi Dec 11 06:39:15 :) Dec 11 06:39:21 sound guru... Dec 11 06:39:31 nexus 7 Dec 11 06:39:46 point me at some info/docs/something... i can use.. to get my audio to work! :) Dec 11 06:40:12 raster, bug 1068804 ? Dec 11 06:40:14 Launchpad bug 1068804 in ubuntu-nexus7 "sound only works after suspend/resume cycle" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068804 Dec 11 06:40:23 i know Dec 11 06:40:25 nup - donest help Dec 11 06:40:46 (suspend/resume dont fix anything - not even several cycles) Dec 11 06:40:48 raster, hmm, interesting Dec 11 06:40:58 my initial problem was /dev/sdn/* permissioning Dec 11 06:41:02 ie my uid didnt have access Dec 11 06:41:06 so pulse couldnt talk Dec 11 06:41:12 and all i got was "dummy output" in pulse Dec 11 06:41:16 raster, are you doing something custom, i e not ubuntu image? Dec 11 06:41:17 i figured that out Dec 11 06:41:23 and then pulse detects the tegra hw device Dec 11 06:41:27 ubuntu image... Dec 11 06:41:36 BUT... i nixed the desktop Dec 11 06:41:47 all system daemons working Dec 11 06:41:51 pulse still there Dec 11 06:42:01 desktop does handle pulse audio Dec 11 06:42:31 raster, what does "nixed the desktop" mean? Dec 11 06:42:41 i have installed pavucontrol Dec 11 06:42:47 and that lets me diagnose soem stuff anf fiddle Dec 11 06:42:58 nixed - dont run unity (compiz+gnome bits etc.) Dec 11 06:43:05 nicex lightdm Dec 11 06:43:12 nixed lightdm Dec 11 06:43:19 (uninstaleld it - use nodm instead) Dec 11 06:43:41 my mem footrpint is down to like 160m ram Dec 11 06:43:44 as a result Dec 11 06:43:56 (total excluding buffers/cache) Dec 11 06:44:15 less actually Dec 11 06:44:28 raster, do you still use consolekit to give you permissions to everything you should? Dec 11 06:44:29 131m "userspace" from smem -t Dec 11 06:44:49 raster, question is pavucontrol the desktop environment or are you going cli only? Dec 11 06:45:00 no Dec 11 06:45:12 but what do i need permission to other than pulseaudio server? Dec 11 06:45:17 i can get audio going through it Dec 11 06:45:22 it just ends up "nowehre" Dec 11 06:45:35 also i just chowned /dev/snd/* to myselfg anyway Dec 11 06:45:39 that was the perms problem Dec 11 06:45:55 Ethernin: pavucontrol is in the gui (desktop) Dec 11 06:46:00 but tbh - dont care Dec 11 06:46:05 cmdline will be fine Dec 11 06:46:08 raster, are u using gnome-classic (fallback?) Dec 11 06:46:11 no Dec 11 06:46:14 e17 Dec 11 06:46:15 :) Dec 11 06:46:21 compositing is all happy Dec 11 06:46:23 word Dec 11 06:46:26 suspend/resume all happy Dec 11 06:46:31 hahaha nice Dec 11 06:46:32 raster, I guess /dev/snd/* should be enough (together with some /sysfs stuff). Dec 11 06:46:39 i'm a bit miffed at the nvidia drviers not doing vsync swaps Dec 11 06:46:47 even tho swapinterval is requested to be 12 Dec 11 06:46:49 err 1 Dec 11 06:47:03 diwic: well i thought /dev/snd would be enough Dec 11 06:47:34 if there is something needing a write.. who would be doing it? pulse? Dec 11 06:47:38 /sys is there - but of course readable only- not write Dec 11 06:48:00 i can hunt it down if my hunting fields are.. sensible :) Dec 11 06:48:13 i hear u are the guru fo sound so you probably would know what it might be :) Dec 11 06:48:23 i';ve never had this problem before on any ubuntu x86 install Dec 11 06:48:34 raster, but the entire suspend/resume thing is a mystery to me. It might be that something is triggered when unity unsuspends but not when your system unsuspends. Dec 11 06:48:35 i've nuked unity/gnome/etc over the years and never hit a sound snag Dec 11 06:48:39 pulseaudio has always worked Dec 11 06:48:47 so what is different about the n7 compared to other ubuntus? Dec 11 06:49:04 raster, the sound chip is different. Dec 11 06:49:39 e17 has pulseaudio mixer support - we even "reverse engineered" pa protocol in order to provide a working pa mixer without needing libpulse Dec 11 06:49:42 hahaha Dec 11 06:49:43 sure :) Dec 11 06:49:46 its different Dec 11 06:49:55 but what about access/permissioning is different? Dec 11 06:50:01 raster, desktop machines use 100s of variants of Intel HDA, whereas the n7 uses tegra 3 + realtek alc5640 Dec 11 06:50:07 ie - it goes via alsa.. so /dev/snd/* should be enough Dec 11 06:50:10 what ELSe is there? :) Dec 11 06:50:16 sure Dec 11 06:51:09 raster, if it looks like sound is muted even though you have unmuted it (in PulseAudio, with my nexus7 profile), it's the same symptom as the suspend/resume bug. Dec 11 06:51:46 i'm happy to learn - this is not my specialty... so if there is some info/docs i can scour... i'd be more than happy to figure it out :) right now picking your brain is the next best step :) Dec 11 06:51:59 soudns LOOKS unmute3d Dec 11 06:52:04 according to e17's mixer and pavucontrol Dec 11 06:52:08 raster, you have the ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 (or was it ubuntu-nexus7-defaults) installed, don't you? Dec 11 06:52:20 alsamixer (when run as root) gives me like 27842 controls Dec 11 06:52:29 i have been fiddling with everyone i can find Dec 11 06:52:37 i did notice one of them was muted by default after a boot Dec 11 06:52:45 that may be a cause of your suspend/resume issue Dec 11 06:53:02 yup Dec 11 06:53:04 installed Dec 11 06:53:36 i havent messed with any of those Dec 11 06:53:53 nb - awesome job getting ubu up on the n7 so far Dec 11 06:53:58 it made my life SO easy Dec 11 06:54:04 compared to what it normally is with arm targets Dec 11 06:54:15 its CLOSE to perfect Dec 11 06:54:23 raster, if you've messed around with the alsamixer controls maybe you happened to turn one off that should have been on, or the other way around? Dec 11 06:54:24 multitouch for me works outof the box Dec 11 06:54:36 literlaly i can pinch/zoom/rotate in my toolking/apps out of the box Dec 11 06:54:38 just works (tm) Dec 11 06:54:49 well iv'e rebooted since i messed Dec 11 06:54:51 several times Dec 11 06:54:55 they reset to defaults on reboot Dec 11 06:55:20 raster, hmm, are they? I thought they were saved in .. /var/lib/asound.state Dec 11 06:55:27 or something like that Dec 11 06:55:46 nup Dec 11 06:55:56 last i knew it saved in ~/.asounrc or something Dec 11 06:56:03 ~/as... Dec 11 06:56:12 do you have a custom .asoundrc too? Dec 11 06:56:26 no Dec 11 06:56:33 hmm Dec 11 06:56:38 /var/lib/alsa/asound/state is there Dec 11 06:56:52 ok Dec 11 06:56:54 thats a new file Dec 11 06:57:15 oh please dont telll me its that Dec 11 06:57:27 i swear i rebooted and mixer vals were reset from the mess i made Dec 11 06:57:54 i cant chekc right now.. as i'm sshing like 1500km to get to my n7 Dec 11 06:58:03 bbiab Dec 11 06:58:03 its speakers are not loud enough to hear that far Dec 11 06:58:04 :) Dec 11 06:58:47 i can check tonight tho Dec 11 07:13:51 raster, I mean, the suspend/resume thing is a mystery to me, and chances are that when you switch desktops the bug might manifest itself differently, in which case I don't know what to do to help you Dec 11 07:16:29 hmm Dec 11 07:16:33 :( Dec 11 07:16:47 any info i can read up on what's invovled in sound output on the tegra? Dec 11 07:16:51 (and alsa/kernel etc.) Dec 11 07:17:00 any specific /sys nodes involved? Dec 11 07:17:13 any info on what all the alsa mixer control knobs really do? Dec 11 07:17:27 in fact.. what did you have to do to get it to work? Dec 11 07:31:53 good morning Dec 11 07:32:02 moo Dec 11 07:32:21 just installed raring on the Nexus7 and things are looking quite good :) Dec 11 07:32:38 gl isnt totallly busted anymore? Dec 11 07:32:56 it was end of last week when i tried the 13.04 image Dec 11 07:33:11 raster, do you have a bug number about this? what was the problem you were looking at? Dec 11 07:33:12 all garbaged up tiles in unity for compositor pixmaps Dec 11 07:33:18 no i dont Dec 11 07:33:26 no, that's fixed Dec 11 07:33:34 a new unity+friends landed Dec 11 07:33:40 oh ok Dec 11 07:33:43 we were waiting for a fix in the nux library for a long while Dec 11 07:34:04 i saw that and then went to the 12.10 image Dec 11 07:34:07 which works fine Dec 11 07:34:09 but it couldn't land due to some other issues - in any case it's in there now Dec 11 07:34:18 does this have an update to the gles driver stuff from nv? Dec 11 07:34:34 as the lack of vsynced swaps is most annoying Dec 11 07:34:38 i'm wodnering if thats been fixed Dec 11 07:34:42 good question - I don't know Dec 11 07:35:07 and i have a sneaking suspicion that that its doing back -> front buffer copies, not swaps/exchanges Dec 11 07:35:51 well if u move a window.. do u get tearing? Dec 11 07:36:08 tho last i read compiz code.. it tyried to do glcopypixels from back to front bvuffer Dec 11 07:36:12 which wouldnt help with that Dec 11 07:36:24 but if u do eglswapbuffers it tears Dec 11 07:36:43 aat the compositor level - so i know its not vsyncing even tho its been asked to do a swapinterval of 1 Dec 11 07:45:22 i'm just wondering if its better to perhaps file bugs with nvidia over these things instead Dec 11 07:45:34 as i know canonical just consume the drivers "as provided" Dec 11 07:46:34 tho i need to get all my niggly issues fixed up before i go filing bugs... Dec 11 07:46:42 i dont like to file a bug until i'm sure of it :) Dec 11 12:01:13 all right, my ARM friends - who of you is going to give a demo or talk at Ubuntu Developer Week? We still have a bunch of open slots: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable Dec 11 12:01:25 if you want you can just take a 30m slot and talk about something more specific if you like Dec 11 12:02:00 but I think it'd be great to have some ARM/device/memory/power/IO content in there as well Dec 11 13:13:01 I hate when it happen Dec 11 13:13:24 need to erase whole rootfs because it is faster then finding out what is fscked up Dec 11 13:39:55 diwic: ping Dec 11 13:40:02 raster, hi Dec 11 13:40:08 diwic: my many thanks Dec 11 13:40:17 it was that asound file Dec 11 13:40:28 must have been from my messing when pulse still had dummy output only Dec 11 13:40:32 trying to get it to work Dec 11 13:40:37 (ie permissions problem) Dec 11 13:40:43 i fixed perms - but still had that around Dec 11 13:40:53 much thankinessess :) Dec 11 13:40:58 raster, glad it helped :-) Dec 11 13:41:00 * raster owes diwic a beer Dec 11 13:42:02 i now really wish i knew what all these mixer params did in alsa Dec 11 13:42:06 theres so many of them Dec 11 13:42:07 :) Dec 11 13:44:59 raster, but you're still having the suspend/resume problem like the rest of us, right? Dec 11 13:45:16 yup Dec 11 13:45:24 needs a suspend/resume cycle Dec 11 13:45:32 that.. i can live with.. for now Dec 11 13:45:33 :) Dec 11 13:45:45 i have a tonne of stuff i want to do/make work/improve/whatever Dec 11 13:45:46 :) Dec 11 15:53:45 anyone else got screen corruption issues on first boot and Dec 11 15:53:45 inability to enter text via onboard with todays image? Dec 11 15:53:58 yeah Dec 11 16:35:02 hello Dec 11 16:35:11 what is the password of root of preinstalled img for the nexus 7 ? Dec 11 16:35:18 i can login only with guest session Dec 11 16:35:26 use sudo Dec 11 16:35:36 i can't Dec 11 16:35:41 with guest session.. Dec 11 16:35:42 sudo passwd root should work(?) Dec 11 16:35:49 no.. Dec 11 16:36:07 ou, guest session, right, sorry Dec 11 16:36:24 how to log in ? Dec 11 16:36:33 i have only guest session Dec 11 16:36:49 :( Dec 11 16:38:08 very strange.. Dec 11 16:38:26 dunno, I can't even finish the "setup wizard" on 13.04, because the onboard does not show up and keyboard via OTG does not work (but I think that's keyboard's fault) Dec 11 16:39:14 oh i downloaded preinstalled img Dec 11 16:39:25 and now i am in the desktop Dec 11 16:39:38 from where? Dec 11 16:39:44 i have all Dec 11 16:39:49 nexus 7 Dec 11 16:40:00 oh the img ? Dec 11 16:40:03 you mean ? Dec 11 16:40:11 yeah Dec 11 16:40:11 cortexA9: First boot on the preinstalled image walks you through creating a user. Dec 11 16:40:34 mmm.. Dec 11 16:40:39 i dont have this Dec 11 16:40:41 (modulo the bug tassadar mentions) Dec 11 16:40:44 initramfs-tools package is the the same for nexus 7 as is for the rest of ubuntu, right? Dec 11 16:40:50 tassadar_: Yes. Dec 11 16:41:05 tassadar_: Why do you ask? (I'm upstream for it) Dec 11 16:41:17 i think the img Dec 11 16:42:04 i dont know.. Dec 11 16:42:07 was a mirror Dec 11 16:42:11 I'd like to add support for booting from some folder in root (with mount -o bind), it is a short patch, gimme a while and I show you what do I mean Dec 11 16:42:14 daily i think.. Dec 11 16:43:00 i tried with multirom Dec 11 16:43:08 to add it.. Dec 11 16:43:15 isn't it 12.10? Dec 11 16:43:22 no 13.04 Dec 11 16:43:43 well, multirom should not work with 13.04 Dec 11 16:44:03 why not ? Dec 11 16:44:06 it seems work.. Dec 11 16:44:17 only i can't log in with root.. Dec 11 16:44:36 just this Dec 11 16:44:50 how did you even install it? Dec 11 16:45:07 i decompress it Dec 11 16:45:11 and changed raw to img Dec 11 16:45:23 and work.. Dec 11 16:45:33 are you sure that boot.img is correct? Dec 11 16:45:59 mmm i dont know Dec 11 16:46:04 maybe is the 12.10 boot ? Dec 11 16:46:07 yeah Dec 11 16:46:09 do uname -a Dec 11 16:46:16 and tell me what does it says Dec 11 16:47:22 Linux localhost.localdomain 3.1.10-7-nexus7 #11-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue.. armv7l ... Dec 11 16:48:10 hmm, sorry, I thought I'd remember which one is 13.04, I _think_ it should be -8- Dec 11 16:48:13 can you do... Dec 11 16:48:28 cat /boot/config* | grep HARDBOOT Dec 11 16:48:40 I hope it is accessible without root Dec 11 16:49:54 mmm Dec 11 16:50:02 nothing? Dec 11 16:50:04 no such file or directory Dec 11 16:50:27 i need to inject boot.img ? Dec 11 16:50:34 in multirom ? Dec 11 16:50:39 is config-somethingIdontRemember file in your /boot folder? Dec 11 16:51:00 no, this should be part of ubuntu Dec 11 16:51:22 permission denied Dec 11 16:51:25 damn Dec 11 16:52:17 yeah, got it, you are using 12.10 boot.img Dec 11 16:52:17 it should be "3.1.10-8-nexus7" Dec 11 16:52:45 mmm ok Dec 11 16:52:52 i inject the new boot thanks Dec 11 16:53:17 there is "Add/change boot.img" option in recovery in "list roms" menu Dec 11 16:53:26 in puts the boot.img in right place and injects it Dec 11 16:53:47 yes Dec 11 16:54:47 infinity: http://pastebin.com/siEiZPJz something like this Dec 11 16:58:22 tassadar_: i need to rename it ? Dec 11 16:58:28 ? Dec 11 16:58:29 in boot.img ? Dec 11 16:58:43 what rename? Dec 11 16:58:49 the file Dec 11 16:58:56 which one) Dec 11 16:58:56 raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.bootimg Dec 11 16:59:26 yeah, recovery searches for files which end with ".img" Dec 11 17:01:19 tassadar_: it failed.. Dec 11 17:01:43 file raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.boot.img Dec 11 17:01:50 i renamed it.. Dec 11 17:02:02 what does recovery log says, adb shell into it and cat /tmp/recovery.log Dec 11 17:02:18 tassadar_: Curious. Does this actually work? Dec 11 17:02:52 yed Dec 11 17:02:54 yes Dec 11 17:03:07 I'm using it to multiboot ubuntu on n7 Dec 11 17:03:28 along with kexec and "export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1", it is the only thing I need to change in ubuntu, which is kinda amazing Oo Dec 11 17:04:29 failed to decompress ramdisk Dec 11 17:05:03 oh, yeah, the ramdisk is compressed with .lzma instead of .gz Dec 11 17:05:07 see, that's why it is unsupported :D Dec 11 17:05:22 lol Dec 11 17:05:49 you could compress it as gzip on computer if you want Dec 11 17:06:22 oh mmm Dec 11 17:06:59 I am working on v3 which will support 13.04, it should be out this week Dec 11 17:07:55 tassadar_, you are the developer of multirom ? Dec 11 17:08:08 yes Dec 11 17:08:19 oh nice :) Dec 11 17:09:21 it is actually already all working, I just need to change the recovery and I'd like to try to get the changes into official ubuntu packages Dec 11 17:10:44 how to open it ? Dec 11 17:10:53 7zip can't open it. Dec 11 17:11:04 are you on ubuntu? Dec 11 17:11:14 no atm no. Dec 11 17:11:48 you know what, just wait, I'll edit it, it'll be faster Dec 11 17:12:46 ok Dec 11 17:12:51 :) Dec 11 17:14:26 tassadar_: work now Dec 11 17:14:36 i have the gz Dec 11 17:14:46 wait Dec 11 17:15:05 :D Dec 11 17:16:00 okay) Dec 11 17:16:10 just finished the editing too) Dec 11 17:17:12 infinity: what do you think, should I submit it as a patch? Dec 11 17:17:45 "should" as in "is it even worth the trouble?" Dec 11 17:19:02 tassadar_: Submitting it as a Debian bug report might be nice. I'll likely forget about it otherwise. Dec 11 17:19:20 tassadar_: Assuming this is a feature you can envision people other than you wanting. Dec 11 17:22:21 well, i suppose it would make multi-booting ubuntu on other android devices easier, but on desktop it is probably useless Dec 11 17:22:51 booting from .img is already there though, but I guess that is used mainly in that "Install ubuntu as windows app" thing Dec 11 17:23:09 <[mbm]> wubi Dec 11 17:25:38 that is just in the ubuntu's initramfs-tools, not in debian, I think I should submit it just to ubuntu Dec 11 17:26:45 tassadar_: it's possible that multirom slow my system ? Dec 11 17:27:01 which part exactly? Dec 11 17:27:15 usb very slow Dec 11 17:27:31 it really slow now.. Dec 11 17:27:56 like what, you are in ubuntu and copying something from usb or what? Dec 11 17:28:05 no in the rom Dec 11 17:28:17 copying something Dec 11 17:28:35 from pc to tablet Dec 11 17:29:02 hmm, look into battery usage, is "media" in there? Dec 11 17:29:29 yes Dec 11 17:29:52 android scans the /sdcard for media files after boot, and well, it scans also the whole of ubuntu (it is in /sdcard), which is a lot of files Dec 11 17:30:07 oh ok Dec 11 17:30:08 <[mbm]> .nomedia Dec 11 17:30:08 it _should_ finish 15-30mins after boot though Dec 11 17:30:16 it ignores it Dec 11 17:30:43 gallery does not show images from that folder, but the media scanner still goes in there Dec 11 17:31:07 i can't force stop. Dec 11 17:31:14 :D Dec 11 17:31:30 you could kill it if you want, but I dunno if that does not break something Dec 11 17:32:16 (in shell via "kill" command I mean) Dec 11 17:34:02 with advanced task killer doesnt work :D Dec 11 17:34:21 ok i try in shell Dec 11 17:36:16 i need to root it :D Dec 11 17:36:37 for kill Dec 11 17:37:08 you what.... Dec 11 17:37:08 you don't have it rooted yet? Oo Dec 11 17:38:06 no because i have problem with the battery today Dec 11 17:40:31 today my battery was at 0% Dec 11 17:40:55 i thought my nexus 7 dead.. Dec 11 17:41:16 now seems work Dec 11 17:41:25 wau, okay, that is reason serious enough) Dec 11 17:42:25 it's called Dec 11 17:42:27 mediaserver right ? Dec 11 17:42:31 the process ? Dec 11 17:42:48 tassadar_: You can submit to whomever you like, I maintain it in both Debian and Ubuntu. :P Dec 11 17:43:03 uh, it's the one which takes most cpu power, that is how I always find it Dec 11 17:43:16 infinity: okay, creating bug report on launchpad right now Dec 11 17:46:31 okay, english grammar question:) "Whose phone is that?" - the "whose" is for human beings, what is the same word for things? Dec 11 17:47:10 likely "those" Dec 11 17:47:20 I suppose it depends on the part of speech Dec 11 17:47:43 lol Dec 11 17:47:53 tassadar_: i kill it Dec 11 17:48:04 but it appear.. Dec 11 17:51:15 mmm Dec 11 17:51:40 seems not this the problem. Dec 11 17:52:09 are you on windows or linux? Dec 11 17:52:41 win Dec 11 17:53:23 it's not a problem of multirom ? Dec 11 17:54:45 to be honest, I don't know. I don't use windows, but I don't think the problem is in multirom. You could try asking in the XDA thread... Dec 11 17:55:11 Are you copying like a big file, or bunch of smaller ones? Dec 11 17:55:23 6 mb.. Dec 11 17:55:46 maybe is win Dec 11 17:55:49 try to reboot Dec 11 17:55:53 see you Dec 11 18:01:09 infinity: I also need to "export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1" when booting, where is the best place to do it? Would new script in scripts/init-top which would simply call "export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1" work? Dec 11 18:03:23 tassadar_: it's win now work Dec 11 18:03:38 but i can't inject boot.img Dec 11 18:03:46 i compress with gzip Dec 11 18:04:13 you need to extract the boot image, extract ramdisk, repack it, and repack the boot image) Dec 11 18:04:32 oh.. Dec 11 18:04:35 lol Dec 11 18:04:43 ...so, I get that you wanna that repacked image I just made) Dec 11 18:04:47 i thought it's simple Dec 11 18:04:53 :D Dec 11 18:05:21 if only I'd remeber in which of the terminal tabs it was... Dec 11 18:05:29 ah, here Dec 11 18:05:36 what ? Dec 11 18:05:57 you have a repacked image ? Dec 11 18:06:59 nothing, here you go http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54372958/boot-raring-gz.img Dec 11 18:06:59 tassadar_: Eh? Why would you need it while booting? Dec 11 18:07:32 tassadar_: If your boot process (or ours) is calling flash-kernel, that's a bit odd. Dec 11 18:07:44 installer calls it Dec 11 18:08:16 tassadar_: Oh, sure, that's a different story. That means our installer isn't quite right for your setup, that's all. Dec 11 18:08:30 lol Dec 11 18:08:34 I will probably not use the installer though, so, it really is enough to do it after boot Dec 11 18:08:56 where would be the appropriate place to do it? Dec 11 18:09:17 (somewhere where no package will overwrite it) Dec 11 18:09:57 tassadar_: how you can do multirom :D Dec 11 18:09:59 i am curious Dec 11 18:10:20 tassadar_: You should just remove flash-kernel, if it doesn't do the right thing for your setup. Dec 11 18:10:25 tassadar_: Hacking around it is silly. Dec 11 18:10:39 * tassadar_ slaps himself Dec 11 18:11:00 forgot it is just package like everything else, so apt-get purge flash-kernel, nice :) Dec 11 18:11:07 cortexA9: what? Oo Dec 11 18:11:19 yes Dec 11 18:11:22 i mean Dec 11 18:11:35 multirom it's hard to make it ? Dec 11 18:12:28 the idea is simple, the hard thing is to make it nice and easy to use for the "average android root user" Dec 11 18:12:39 :) Dec 11 18:13:11 lol Dec 11 18:13:14 i inject it Dec 11 18:13:15 thanks Dec 11 18:13:18 now i try Dec 11 18:13:31 I think the main difference is the graphical boot menu, I did not see that in any other multi boot mod on XDA Dec 11 18:14:30