**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 18 02:59:58 2012 Dec 18 03:32:51 hrm my custom nexus rootfs is giving me: Dec 18 03:32:52 "mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory" and "target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init" and then it dumps me to a busy box. Any suggestions as to what I might be missing? Dec 18 03:34:48 Jef91: you should not be mounting /dev anywhere Dec 18 03:35:07 /dev/sdfoo or /dev/mmcblkbar sure Dec 18 03:35:47 hrm Dec 18 03:37:31 if I try to install the 8gb image on a 16gb nexus 7 will it have issues? Dec 18 03:38:28 mjrosenb: I assume that's an initrd moving the mount from /dev in the initrd to /root/dev before pivoting root. Dec 18 03:38:34 Jef91: ^ Dec 18 03:39:01 Jef91: And the last message is also from an initrd telling you it can't find /sbin/init on /root Dec 18 03:39:18 my filesystem has a /sbin/init file Dec 18 03:39:19 Jef91: So, your rootfs isn't being mounted, or it's being mounted but is empty and/or corrupt. Dec 18 03:39:28 or is it referencing something else? Dec 18 03:39:47 From the POV of the initrd, your filesystem really doesn't have init. Dec 18 03:39:50 Why that is, I can't say. Dec 18 03:39:56 Alrighty. Dec 18 03:40:07 (It also doesn't have /dev) Dec 18 03:40:15 In other words, it's probably just not seeing it right. Dec 18 03:40:17 My file system is Debian Wheezy ARMHF Dec 18 03:40:30 But I've recompiled the Ubuntu nexus 7 packages, thinking they would work with it Dec 18 03:40:33 but that might not be enough Dec 18 03:41:41 namely I've installed the "tarball-installer" package along with "ubuntu-defaults-nexus7" any idea if I need something more than those two to make the rootfs install via fastboot? Dec 18 03:42:40 Oh. Dec 18 03:42:51 Did you also generate an initrd after installing tarball-installer? Dec 18 03:43:02 That initrd is the one you should be booting with. Dec 18 03:44:22 ha whoops Dec 18 03:44:23 I did not Dec 18 03:44:30 How abouts would I go about doing that infinity? Dec 18 03:44:45 I just copied over the /boot from the Ubuntu FS Dec 18 03:45:00 I moved over /boot, /lib/firmware and /lib/modules Dec 18 03:45:10 update-initramfs -u in your new rootfs. Dec 18 03:45:12 (that is what I have done for a number of other ARM devices, wasn't sure if this was different) Dec 18 03:45:37 Will there be any conflicts if I had copied over those directories from Ubuntu? Dec 18 03:46:04 Erm. This is a bit more involved than just copying files around, if you're wanting it to *install* the same way our images do. Dec 18 03:46:17 See live-build/auto/build from the livecd-rootfs source. Dec 18 03:46:30 Search for nexus7 Dec 18 03:47:06 We create the boot.img with abootimg, and then create the rootfs, which is an ext4 sparse filesystem with a tarball inside it. Dec 18 03:47:21 Then you flash both those bits, and the boot.img runs the tarball installer. Dec 18 03:47:35 Ahh I didn't create my own boot.img Dec 18 03:47:36 If that's not what you actually wanted, then you didn't want tarball-installer. Dec 18 03:47:46 I'd just been using one of the ones from Ubuntu Dec 18 03:48:02 I'll generate my own Dec 18 03:48:09 * Jef91 will stop trying to shortcut Dec 18 03:51:48 Jef91: what variant (8, 16, 32, 32+3g)? Dec 18 03:52:11 16 vanhoof Dec 18 03:52:25 So I need to generate a fresh boot.img even with the same kernel Ubuntu uses? Dec 18 03:52:44 ah ok, you should be good w/ p9 then for rootfs Dec 18 03:52:49 3g is p10 Dec 18 03:52:55 (partition wise) Dec 18 03:53:45 well it needs to be flashed to the boot partition Dec 18 03:54:01 since tarball-installer does its magic on first boot then vanishes Dec 18 03:54:30 after that flash-kernel works as usual Dec 18 03:54:58 So whats the deal with Ubuntu for Nexus 7? Dec 18 03:55:10 Is it being developed for fun or should we expect something serious of it? Dec 18 03:55:27 its quite active Dec 18 03:55:42 http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/group/topic-raring-desktop-targets-for-embedded.html Dec 18 03:55:45 from what ive seen, in its current state, its a bit unusable Dec 18 03:56:03 SailorMoon: bits are still being migrated from the quantal -> raring daily Dec 18 03:56:14 aside from the fact that Unity is a memory hog it works pretty well SailorMoon Dec 18 03:56:33 i do hope it becomes usable someday, I have an OTG cable and a USB hub i use on my N7 for a mouse and keyboard, using that on Ubuntu would be Epic. Dec 18 03:57:11 I did see there were nightlies, and downloaded one, but i couldnt manage to figure out how to install it Dec 18 03:57:17 SailorMoon: thats how I do most of my work (OTG) Dec 18 03:57:19 Was like a .gz with a .raw inside it Dec 18 03:57:27 usb serial is new (and nice too) Dec 18 03:57:49 connect and `screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200` Dec 18 03:57:52 SailorMoon: The wiki has pretty clear instructions on what to do with the two downloaded files. Dec 18 03:58:02 The wiki doesnt say anything about the Nightlies Dec 18 03:58:12 It says how to install the .img files, wich i already knew. Dec 18 03:58:33 Which nightlies are you refering to? Dec 18 03:58:36 install https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nexus7/+archive/ubuntu-nexus7-installer Dec 18 03:58:52 and if you choose to re-download, it'll pull the new daily Dec 18 03:59:01 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation#Manually_Installing_Ubuntu_13.04_on_Nexus_7 <-- How to install dailies. Dec 18 03:59:14 infinity: this one http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/ Dec 18 03:59:33 SailorMoon: Yeah, the above tells you exactly what to do with those two files. Dec 18 03:59:33 yeah step 2 says "gunzip", wtf is a gunzip Dec 18 03:59:42 SailorMoon: "gunzip foo.img.gz" Dec 18 03:59:46 SailorMoon: install the package from the ppa Dec 18 03:59:50 it does it for you Dec 18 03:59:55 I'm running Windows on my Desktop lol Dec 18 03:59:59 oh Dec 18 04:00:13 Do you have a fastboot binary for Windows? Dec 18 04:00:14 Tried using 7z but it just showd a .raw inside Dec 18 04:00:18 Yep Dec 18 04:00:32 If so, these instructions will work just fine, but yes, you'll need something to unzip. Dec 18 04:00:38 Like good ol' winzip. Dec 18 04:00:44 i used 7zip but again, file.raw inside Dec 18 04:00:50 Also tried Winrar Dec 18 04:01:06 Oh, if they're renaming it to file.raw instead of file.img, that doesn't really matter. Dec 18 04:01:09 SailorMoon: the install instructions are pretty clear you need Ubuntu on your desktop in it's current state :P Dec 18 04:01:27 Jef91: Not really true. With a sane fastboot, it should work from Win32 too. Dec 18 04:01:42 so i should just assume .raw is the name of the image? Dec 18 04:02:09 Jef91: ive said like 10 times, i've installed the normal .img files fine Dec 18 04:02:17 these compressed files dont contain .img files Dec 18 04:02:20 and confused me Dec 18 04:02:25 SailorMoon: Well, it is, in fact, image.raw at one point in the build process. We likely rename it. Dec 18 04:02:39 Good to know Dec 18 04:02:45 i didnt know that before, confused me TT lol Dec 18 04:02:46 So, your unzippy thing is just being a bit too smart, I suspect. Dec 18 04:03:04 infinity: rename to .img? Dec 18 04:03:08 * vanhoof has no clue on win Dec 18 04:03:49 That said, you could get gzip/gunzip for Win32 from here: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/gzip.htm Dec 18 04:04:12 vanhoof: The name of the image is completely meaningless, it's just a raw blob of blobbiness anyway, fastboot doesn't care. Dec 18 04:04:45 That said, gunzip will definitely give you The Right Thing, I have no idea what WinRAR for 7zip will do (though, they should be doing similarly Right Things) Dec 18 04:04:52 s/for/or/ Dec 18 04:04:59 cygwin? :) Dec 18 04:05:12 This gzip is native, no need for cyg. Dec 18 04:05:14 infinity: right, just never used fastboot on win myself Dec 18 04:05:30 vanhoof: Fastboot on Win32 is far better tested than on Linux, so it better work. :P Dec 18 04:05:39 infinity: heh Dec 18 04:05:44 (Sadly, we're not actually the dominant OS in the world... Crazy talk, I know) Dec 18 04:05:54 infinity: say it aint so! Dec 18 04:06:02 It saddens me too. Dec 18 04:06:13 what is dup? Dec 18 04:06:27 Its completely unrelated but you guys r smart n stuff Dec 18 04:06:41 vanhoof: Anyhow, we could totally whip up a quick-n-dirty installer (probably not a GUI, unless you want to do actual work, but we could script something and bundle it with gzip, etc) for Win32.. Dec 18 04:07:30 infinity: totally out of my element there, perhaps a holiday venture, if i use windows, cygwin is the first thing installed ;) Dec 18 04:07:58 vanhoof: Yeah, native is much saner in this case. Though, I tend to agree, Windows without a sane POSIX environment drives me batty. Dec 18 04:08:13 infinity: s!!! ;) Dec 18 04:08:45 Heck, it's the only thing that makes MacOS usable. I spent about 10 minutes trying to "intuitively" deduce how to help a friend with an OSX problem the other day before I just broke down, hit a terminal, and beat it with a hammer from the back end. Dec 18 04:08:51 Intuitive GUI, my ass. Dec 18 04:09:10 same w/ OSX, fink! Dec 18 04:09:11 lol Dec 18 04:09:23 * vanhoof envisions being punched by infinity at some point Dec 18 04:10:04 If I used OSX at all, I'd likely use fink. But, why would I use OSX? Dec 18 04:10:18 That sort of implies wanting the GUI which, as stated above, is completely unusable to me. Dec 18 04:10:33 heh Dec 18 04:10:34 It also implies wanting the hardware, and I'm allergic to mice with fewer than three buttons. Dec 18 04:11:13 If Lenovo ever drops the middle button, I might just find a new career, computers will be dead to me. Dec 18 04:11:54 infinity: im dreading moving away from my x220 Dec 18 04:12:00 * vanhoof is not a fan of the new keyboards Dec 18 04:12:14 Oh, really? I think they've actually done a stellar job on their chicklet keboards. Dec 18 04:12:24 you like em? Dec 18 04:12:25 They're about 20x more usable than the Apple/Samsung keyboards. Dec 18 04:12:32 I actually really like the feel. Dec 18 04:12:42 And they certainly gunk up a lot less than the old skool Thinkpad keyboards. Dec 18 04:12:43 i just love my old reliable lenovo keyboard Dec 18 04:12:51 I used to have to replace mine every year or so. Dec 18 04:13:10 thought I am not a user of the lenovo nipple :) Dec 18 04:13:16 people think im crazy Dec 18 04:13:17 I dunno. It's not AS NICE a touch as the classic ThinkPad keyboards, I won't pretend it is, but they've done a really good job. Dec 18 04:13:27 They're still very IBM/Lenovo ThinkPadish. Dec 18 04:13:59 Only took me a week or so to get my typing speed back into the 120+ WPM range after switching from old to new ThinkPads. Dec 18 04:14:07 Now I bounce between the two, and they both work well. Dec 18 04:14:18 infinity: I think i'll skip the x230 Dec 18 04:14:40 see what haswell and lenovo have in next year Dec 18 04:14:45 Well, I doubt they'll bring back the old keyboards. Dec 18 04:14:49 yeah Dec 18 04:14:55 Does Toshiba still ship them? Dec 18 04:15:04 They were the only other vendor with this style of keyboard in recent years. Dec 18 04:15:17 not sure, havent spent much time w/ toshiba Dec 18 04:15:17 (Shame their laptops were otherwise hideous) Dec 18 04:16:02 i dunno, big thing with me and thinkpads is accessability Dec 18 04:16:03 So, do you know any fans of the old skool keyboards who'd want to buy a near-mint T420s? :P Dec 18 04:16:33 yeah i want a new hdd, easy ... pop in mstata in pcie, easy Dec 18 04:16:48 Toshiba was modular long before IBM was. Dec 18 04:16:57 i hate having to rip apart a laptop to add in new parts Dec 18 04:17:05 Though, it was more than 15y ago that I was doing laptop service. Dec 18 04:17:14 I'm sure things changed. Dec 18 04:17:15 A bit. Dec 18 04:17:55 Either way, a quick poke at their website shows they've also gone chicklet. Dec 18 04:18:03 now i just need to sweet talk ogra_ into sending me a new panel for my ac100 :) Dec 18 04:18:31 Oh, now that's a keyboard I find unusable. Dec 18 04:18:41 The only one worse than the ac100 was the tf101. Dec 18 04:18:48 * vanhoof misses his, shame the panel decided to die Dec 18 04:19:10 yeah but for grab and go, its an awesome machine Dec 18 04:19:28 The weight was hard to beat. Dec 18 04:19:32 I eventually stopped using mine, though. Dec 18 04:19:40 this x220 w/ a 9 cell battery is small but heavy :) Dec 18 04:19:44 I keep tossing around the idea of replacing it with a Chromebook. Dec 18 04:19:56 same here Dec 18 04:20:08 Honestly, though, the 420s is actually stupid light and thin, for all the beef inside. Dec 18 04:20:11 was looking at the install for it and it looks a mess Dec 18 04:20:14 So I'm not sure I need more laptops. Dec 18 04:20:56 Streamlining the Chromebook install and producing images for it was about the only argument I had for buying one. Dec 18 04:21:07 Cause I think it would be a lovely all-in-one dev kit to recommend to people. Dec 18 04:21:25 Sure beats saying "okay, go buy a Panda... And now buy a hard drive... And a monitor... And..." Dec 18 04:21:40 heh Dec 18 04:22:21 i think the install could be greatly condenced, everything i've found it way to manual Dec 18 04:22:38 Oh, we could make it reasonably slick. Dec 18 04:22:49 Except for the initial faff to get it into dev mode. Dec 18 04:23:09 well same w/ n7 Dec 18 04:23:13 * infinity nods. Dec 18 04:24:19 Meh. Would have made a good holiday project, but there's no way I can get an American to ship me one before January now. Dec 18 04:24:48 infinity: i work for beer Dec 18 04:25:01 ;) Dec 18 04:25:19 vanhoof: I meant there's just no way (short of FedEx overnight, twice) that it would get here in time for me to do anything with it over the holidays. Dec 18 04:25:41 vanhoof: And overnighting it from a retailer to you, and then from you to me, would make it a fair chunk more expensive than the sticker price. :P Dec 18 04:26:06 Sort of defeats the purpose of buying cheap hardware. Dec 18 04:26:09 infinity: yeah but then you owe me archive work ;) Dec 18 04:26:30 win/win Dec 18 04:26:32 lulz Dec 18 04:26:34 Oh, if you want to send me one for free, I'm okay with owing people favours... Dec 18 04:26:39 looool Dec 18 04:27:01 It's not like I haven't been working the last 5 days, despite being on "holidays". Dec 18 04:27:04 Grr. Dec 18 04:27:13 yeah seriously Dec 18 04:27:16 May as well work on something I enjoy, instead of emergency SRUs for insane insanity. Dec 18 04:37:50 Installing COM24 ? Dec 18 04:37:55 COM26? Dec 18 04:38:04 COM32? D: Dec 18 04:38:08 * SailorMoon panics Dec 18 04:39:48 USB serial on Windows gets curious numbering. Dec 18 04:40:11 FSVO "curious" that amounts to "completely nonsensical". Dec 18 04:40:54 lol Dec 18 04:41:10 This nightly/daily is booting different =o Dec 18 04:41:49 Is using Gnome/unity really a good idea on a device like the Nexus 7? Dec 18 04:42:08 It's more a proof of concept at this point than a finished product. Dec 18 04:42:36 And a good baseline for people to go hunting memory/power/etc issues. Dec 18 04:43:33 So you dont think we'll be using Gnome later on? :3 Dec 18 04:44:00 So I got my file system loaded up with the installer scripts Dec 18 04:44:25 It is getting kernel panic referencing various libnih .so files it is missing Dec 18 04:44:28 but I am making progress Dec 18 04:51:23 SailorMoon: I can't say (because I honestly don't know -- ignorance is bliss) what direction the mobile/slate efforts will go in, but any work put into gnome/compiz/unity certainly won't be wasted effort. Dec 18 04:51:43 SailorMoon: Even if it doesn't end up being used for slates, I won't mind my laptop drawing 20% less power. :P Dec 18 04:57:46 We need a Dock for this :3 Dec 18 04:58:08 Turn it into a netbook lolz Dec 18 04:58:13 I need a way to both charge and have an external HDD, and I'll be happy. Dec 18 04:58:30 a dock with its own Power cable Dec 18 04:58:31 make it! Dec 18 05:00:05 The build im using doesnt allow for input, not from on screen keys or from usb keyboard. Dec 18 05:00:09 really weird. Dec 18 05:19:11 So - I've got my file system booted up on the 7 - but the touch screen is non-functional. Any idea what ubuntu package contains the drivers so I can rebuild them? Dec 18 08:00:03 good morning Dec 18 13:44:58 Anyone know which ubuntu package contains the touch screen drivers for th eneus 7? Dec 18 13:47:20 Jef91: something-evdev Dec 18 13:47:35 if you mean the X.Org driver Dec 18 13:47:58 X on my custom image starts fine and at the right resolution Dec 18 13:48:11 but the sccreen doesn't react to touch input Dec 18 13:57:39 hrm - I already have xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed kulve Dec 18 15:15:58 hrm, updated EV dev drivers got my touchscreen working. Just need to figure out why the touch points are being mirrored. Calibration issue odds are. Dec 18 15:32:25 sfeole: I want to say thanks for the help yesterday - I was able to get my own image going based on the 12.10 images Dec 18 15:32:51 Anyone with 3g nexus7 here? Could you please run "blkid" and tell me what does it says? Dec 18 16:09:10 Jef91: Dec 18 16:09:12 Jef91: hey! Great!, I see you had a lengthy convo last night. Glad everyone could help you Dec 18 16:10:49 mhmm - once I get the touch screen configurations right - I'll have some e17 goodness for the nexus7 to share Dec 18 17:10:13 a gentle reminder that the Call For Participation for the Embedded Linux Conference deadline for submissions is Jan 4th! get your presenation proposals submitted soon! http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/cfp Dec 18 20:59:27 Anyone know of a tool/configuration file for the evdev xorg driver Dec 18 21:39:47 janimo, ogra_: hey, just trying lxc again on my nexus7, looks like the kernel is missing the bridge modules **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 19 02:59:59 2012