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Jan 23 08:30:39 <dholbach> good morning
Jan 23 11:45:40 <czajkowski> ogra_: I hate to be apain but - http://ubuntuone.com/3Hmktiws4Z1qhaXs35B5PL
Jan 23 11:45:50 <czajkowski> have rebooted it 4 times still stuck here any ideas?
Jan 23 11:46:28 <ogra_> czajkowski, have you checked the a11y settings ?
Jan 23 11:46:37 <czajkowski> ogra_: I cant get the dash up
Jan 23 11:46:44 <ogra_> use the ceg
Jan 23 11:47:03 <czajkowski> when I click on the big ubuntu bittn it just gives the icon text dash home so cant change any settings
Jan 23 11:47:13 <czajkowski> ceg?
Jan 23 11:47:18 <ogra_> use the menu on the top right :)
Jan 23 11:47:26 <ogra_> the gear
Jan 23 11:47:36 <czajkowski> all frozen :(
Jan 23 11:47:56 <czajkowski> each reboot still leaves it on the page to enter in my wifi code
Jan 23 11:47:56 <ogra_> try to cancel the wlan dialog, could be that it grabs the focus
Jan 23 11:48:17 <czajkowski> narp :(
Jan 23 11:48:34 <ogra_> you mean it doesnt take any input there either ?
Jan 23 11:48:42 <ogra_> (for the cancel button)
Jan 23 11:48:48 <czajkowski> nope wont cancel it
Jan 23 11:48:54 <czajkowski> nothing seems to want to close for me
Jan 23 11:49:08 <ogra_> that sounds like a completely frozen xserver
Jan 23 11:50:00 <czajkowski> indeed
Jan 23 11:50:04 <czajkowski> bit of a pita :(
Jan 23 11:50:18 <ogra_> when was that installed ?
Jan 23 11:50:35 <ogra_> recent images have a serial console running on the usb port
Jan 23 11:50:37 <czajkowski> few months back
Jan 23 11:50:39 <czajkowski> before xmas
Jan 23 11:50:50 <ogra_> hmm, not sure when i added that
Jan 23 11:52:05 <ogra_> you could try to plug it into a PC and check demsg for creation of something like /dev/ttyUSB0
Jan 23 11:52:46 <czajkowski> ok cheers will do when I get a lull in work
Jan 23 11:52:47 <czajkowski> thanks ogra_
Jan 23 11:53:00 <czajkowski> need to fix it by fosdem times as dont wnat to lug laptop
Jan 23 11:53:34 <ogra_> with the working rotation and todays xorg fix its nearly usable
Jan 23 12:08:18 <janimo> FYI the Tegra3 Technical Reference Manual seems to be available in the nvidia dev zone/tegra dev programme. I just noticed today, it may be old news
Jan 23 12:09:08 <janimo>  the realtek sound codec on the nexus7 has no public datasheet though
Jan 23 12:10:42 <czajkowski> something hates me :( http://ubuntuone.com/0S97eFdCGOGC1Dk6mEeFlZ
Jan 23 12:24:51 <ogra_> janimo, well, there must be something in pm-suspend that makes it work, i wonder if some sub modules are unloaded and re-loaded ...
Jan 23 12:25:00 <ogra_> havent found the time to inspect what the scripts do
Jan 23 12:25:41 * ogra_ just uploaded onboard changes ... we now have proper docking in place
Jan 23 12:25:55 <ogra_> and the power button will suspend by default
Jan 23 12:26:25 <ogra_> janimo, did you upgrade to latest xorg already ? it makes input work in portrait
Jan 23 12:48:56 <janimo> ogra_, did not upgrade yet today, looking forward to test the new x stuff though
Jan 23 12:49:14 <ogra_> the "button 1 gets stuck" issue is still there
Jan 23 12:49:33 <ogra_> but portrait works the same way as landscape now
Jan 23 12:49:48 <janimo> I have been looking at the sound/suspend issue yesterday, no progess though, just seeing the different register values, comparing to android and staring at the code
Jan 23 12:50:06 <janimo> ogra_, the button stuck issue is our showstopper
Jan 23 12:51:07 <ogra_> well, i'm busy adding the preseeding stuff to the installer ... once i'm done with that i'll take the time to look into what pm-utils does
Jan 23 12:51:23 <ogra_> i think it unloads many of the snd_ modules
Jan 23 12:51:47 <ogra_> if we could mimic that behavior on first boot it might or might not work :)
Jan 23 12:52:40 <ogra_> eeek, MS buys dell !
Jan 23 12:58:07 <lilstevie> hm
Jan 23 12:58:25 <lilstevie> ogra_: nasty
Jan 23 12:58:57 <RaYmAn> isn't it only rumors still? And probably only a relatively small part
Jan 23 12:59:13 <ogra_> i just read news that it was a done deal
Jan 23 12:59:20 <RaYmAn> got a link?
Jan 23 12:59:26 <ogra_> only german
Jan 23 12:59:27 <Rjs> I noticed some touchscreen&grab-related patches in the xorg-devel list a few days ago, I wonder if they would be enough to fix the "button gets stuck" issue? (I don't know enough of the details to know...) http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg.devel/34653
Jan 23 13:01:46 <ogra_> RaYmAn, happy google translate :P http://www.golem.de/news/windows-lizenzen-microsoft-will-milliardenanteil-an-dell-kaufen-1301-97090.html
Jan 23 13:04:29 <marvin24> " ... licenses for future tablets" ?
Jan 23 13:05:07 <marvin24> I though Dell announces to quit tablet and smartphone business
Jan 23 13:05:15 <marvin24> *thought
Jan 23 13:05:20 <lilstevie> marvin24: android tablet
Jan 23 13:05:51 <marvin24> ah, we failed in a booming market - let's try some dead end one?
Jan 23 13:06:30 <marvin24> janimo: I started to package a 3.8 kernel for tegras
Jan 23 13:06:43 <marvin24> how do I add modules to the ABI ?
Jan 23 13:06:45 <janimo> ogra_, our sound is not modular, so unlikely it is due to module reloading
Jan 23 13:07:05 <janimo> marvin24, adding modules? Does it error on build?
Jan 23 13:07:05 <marvin24> (sorry for the dumb question)
Jan 23 13:07:10 <marvin24> janimo: yes,
Jan 23 13:07:19 <marvin24> it compares module file from old abi
Jan 23 13:07:29 <marvin24> and fails, because new abi has different modules
Jan 23 13:07:33 <janimo> marvin24, you should just add an ignore.modules or modules.ignore (I always forget) file
Jan 23 13:07:38 <janimo> let me check
Jan 23 13:08:02 <marvin24> I think this is defined already, but I'll also check again
Jan 23 13:08:05 <janimo> I wish there was a global 'Never check ABI GTFO' option on kernel builds
Jan 23 13:08:18 <marvin24> there is a ignore.abi
Jan 23 13:08:23 <janimo> and always just bump ABI by default, as it is the case almost always in my experience
Jan 23 13:09:03 <janimo> touch abi/3.5.0-17.27/armhf/ignore.module
Jan 23 13:09:08 <janimo> but use the actual current ABI dir
Jan 23 13:09:40 <marvin24> janimo: ok, thanks - will give it a try
Jan 23 13:10:10 <janimo> I am here if you have further questions and glad you work on this. It would be great to have a 3.8 tegra kernel in the archives
Jan 23 13:10:17 <janimo> and switch ac100 to it
Jan 23 13:10:33 <marvin24> well, it should run on any tegra2 or tegra3 device
Jan 23 13:10:46 <marvin24> if you tell u-boot the correct device tree
Jan 23 13:10:49 <janimo> right, but test on ac100 first as we have the device and the developer :)
Jan 23 13:10:56 <marvin24> sure ;-)
Jan 23 13:11:18 <marvin24> janimo: btw, is it possible to build a kernel package on launchpad - I read something about a 4 hours limit ...
Jan 23 13:11:50 <janimo> marvin24, it should be possible but I don't know if there are public armhf builders
Jan 23 13:12:09 <janimo> I know I used to test on an internal PPA
Jan 23 13:12:14 <janimo> ogra_, ^ ?
Jan 23 13:12:15 <marvin24> well, I already build some packages for arm ...
Jan 23 13:12:20 <ogra_> czajkowski, ^^^
Jan 23 13:12:28 <marvin24> he he, that's done already
Jan 23 13:12:38 <janimo> ah ok then. I did not know about time limit, although 4 hours usually was enough for panda and ac100 kernels AFAIK
Jan 23 13:12:53 <marvin24> https://launchpad.net/~ac100/+archive/ppa
Jan 23 13:13:28 <czajkowski> ogra_: you pinged
Jan 23 13:13:32 <marvin24> I just don't want to fall from grace
Jan 23 13:13:34 <janimo> nice.
Jan 23 13:13:38 <marvin24> czajkowski: all ok
Jan 23 13:13:43 <czajkowski> grand
Jan 23 13:14:01 <marvin24> czajkowski: is it ok to build a kernel package on armhf
Jan 23 13:14:01 <janimo> marvin24, neh just try and if there's a limit we should bump it up instead of penalizing the uploader
Jan 23 13:14:22 <janimo> there may be limits so the ppa is not hogged but a kernel build is a desirable use-case
Jan 23 13:14:38 <marvin24> I was told not to upload package which run more than 4 hours, that's why I ask
Jan 23 13:14:54 <czajkowski> marvin24: it's not on my list of not to enable - but as long as it's not more than 10 builds and greater than 4 hours
Jan 23 13:15:02 <janimo> marvin24, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ac100/3.1.10-6.10/+build/3962084
Jan 23 13:15:06 <janimo> slightly over 2 hours
Jan 23 13:15:37 <czajkowski> https://dev.launchpad.net/CommunityARMBuilds
Jan 23 13:15:45 <marvin24> janimo: that's not a complete kernel I think
Jan 23 13:16:08 <janimo> you mean not completely configured ubuntu kernel?
Jan 23 13:16:19 <marvin24> yes, maybe many modules missing
Jan 23 13:16:36 <janimo> right, ac100 does not have full ubuntu configs
Jan 23 13:16:36 <marvin24> it takes one hour on my dual core 2.6 GHz machine
Jan 23 13:16:46 <marvin24> I just used the omap config ...
Jan 23 13:16:46 <janimo> maybe a ti-omap4 build is more relevant
Jan 23 13:17:01 <marvin24> and also enabled PCI (which omap doesn't have as it seems)
Jan 23 13:17:41 <janimo> czajkowski, does that mean the ARM builds are not automatic based on a dput but need to be manually requested for each upload?
Jan 23 13:18:31 * marvin24 still doesn't get why we need to enable all possible modules instead of all useful ones
Jan 23 13:18:47 <janimo> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4046784
Jan 23 13:18:50 <janimo> yes over 4h
Jan 23 13:19:26 <janimo> the PPA builder you linked to currently builds an origen kernel and it is past the 3 h mark. So building kernels should be doable there
Jan 23 13:19:51 <marvin24> janimo: AFAIK, the ppa needs to be enabled one time
Jan 23 13:20:02 <janimo> marvin24, if a module is really unlikely to get used on the ac100 feel free to disable
Jan 23 13:20:16 <marvin24> I meant in general
Jan 23 13:20:29 <janimo> we started with minimal but a lot of USB and network options are required for various people's corner cases
Jan 23 13:20:39 <marvin24> e.g. you don't need all the regulators and mfd which are specific for each soc
Jan 23 13:20:50 <janimo> and since it is a module it does not affect those who do not used them, just build time
Jan 23 13:21:07 <janimo> right, if some options do not make sense they should not be there indeed
Jan 23 13:21:17 <janimo> hw support for impossible setups
Jan 23 13:23:46 * marvin24 didn't count how many kWh he wasted already for building useless modules where the packaging failed in the end
Jan 23 15:26:51 <xnox> ogra_: do we have serial number patters or device models ids for nexus-ses to destinguish 8/16/3g models?
Jan 23 15:27:37 <ogra_> xnox, yeah, ask vanhoof or mfisch, i think they figured them out for the zenity installer
Jan 23 15:27:53 <xnox> ogra_: ok. I'll just poke the source then ;-)
Jan 23 15:27:54 <ogra_> you can request info via fastboot
Jan 23 15:28:09 <mfisch> xnox: vanhoof did all that magic, but I think he used the partition info
Jan 23 15:29:50 <xnox> mfisch: sounds about right.
Jan 23 15:29:52 <xnox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1563337/
Jan 23 15:30:04 <xnox> ogra_: mfisch: fastboot getvar all output for my nexus7
Jan 23 15:30:45 <ogra_> right, just grab the userdata partition and de-hex the size
Jan 23 15:31:51 <mfisch> yep
Jan 23 17:07:10 <ptl> hello :)
Jan 23 18:08:21 <Wing_Z> Hi all
Jan 23 18:08:36 <Wing_Z> eny body could please lend me a hand obout pinmuxing on omap4?
Jan 23 19:01:17 <thoomaas> hello
Jan 23 19:02:29 <vhadil> hello
Jan 23 19:02:54 <thoomaas> i have problem with playing mp3 in raspbian
Jan 23 19:03:10 <thoomaas> omxplayer work but nothing else
Jan 23 19:03:17 <XorA> raspbian is not ubuntu
Jan 23 19:04:08 <thoomaas> i know but no body answer to me in another rooms
Jan 23 19:04:58 <XorA> I dont know the answer, dont have a Pi
Jan 23 19:09:57 <Noskcaj> are there install instructions for ubuntu on nexus somewhere?
Jan 23 19:10:36 <Tassadar> Noskcaj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
Jan 23 19:10:45 <Noskcaj> thanks
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