**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 30 02:59:59 2013 Jan 30 06:47:06 I have an M960 android tablet , its posibble to boot an image? Jan 30 07:42:07 I have installed my Nexus7 fresh from here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/ then connected to my wifi access point but cannot ssh to a second machine has anybody had this behaviour before? Jan 30 07:42:12 good morning Jan 30 07:42:22 good morning Jan 30 07:42:57 ssh from a different machine connected via wifi works. Jan 30 07:44:14 same problem the other way round. Before the new fresh installation I had installed ssh server via apt-get install ssh and I also couldn't connect from the other machine to the Nexus7 Jan 30 07:44:54 ogra_, I have /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//flash-kernel failing - what do I do? Jan 30 08:42:32 nils__: (about what you spoke about 10 hours ago) I've been using the usb gadget ethernet on nexus7 for a while, and it was very easy to setup and has worked well (just like on my openmoko gta02) Jan 30 08:42:32 nils__: I simply compiled the kernel with USB_CDC_COMPOSITE instead of USB_G_SERIAL (composite is ethernet + serial so I didn't have to touch any serial port settings at all), added a few lines to /etc/network/interfaces to configure a static IP, and installed openssh-server Jan 30 08:44:09 ogra_: ^ Jan 30 08:44:24 ogra_: Sounds like switching from USB_G_SERIAL to USB_CDC_COMPOSITE should Just Work. We probably should. Jan 30 08:44:48 Rjs: USB_CDC_COMPOSITE???? THATS the config i was looking for! Jan 30 08:44:50 yargh! Jan 30 08:45:08 thanks muchly! Jan 30 08:45:22 why not g_multi while at it.. Jan 30 08:45:28 And Rjs is suddenly the most popular man in the channel for the next 5 minutes. :P Jan 30 08:46:11 I had no use for a usb-storage gadget so I didn't use g_multi to save myself the trouble of finding out how it should be configured :) Jan 30 08:46:29 who needs it Jan 30 08:46:31 when u have usbnet Jan 30 08:46:34 and can just use nfs Jan 30 08:46:35 :) Jan 30 08:46:39 or sshfs Jan 30 08:46:39 :) Jan 30 08:46:47 * raster makes a happy dance Jan 30 08:47:12 usb storage standard need to die Jan 30 08:47:33 well for anything less dumb th an a piece of flash media Jan 30 08:47:38 (ie sd card at most) Jan 30 08:47:55 mtp isnt amazingly better Jan 30 08:48:02 tho its an improvement Jan 30 08:48:16 infinity, when you moved abopotimg into livecd-rootfs, did you remove the code that marks it as manually installed from ac100-tarball-installer ? or do we do it twice now ? Jan 30 08:48:24 one thing I'm not sure about is how the usb network would look like in network manager if I hadn't configured a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces (I think it's just a normal "wired" interface, but I'm not sure if it has plugged-in detection or not, so NM might think that it's always there and try DHCP or something even if it isn't plugged in) Jan 30 08:48:44 ogra_: There was code marking it manually installed? Why didn't you close the bug that said it wasn't, then? :P Jan 30 08:48:47 while usb-storage was convinient, it also a) effectively mandates FAT b) makes it impossible to use the media on the device itself while it is being exported over usb storage Jan 30 08:49:09 but I guess that would be easy to try... for me, setting a static IP was much easier than playing around with DHCP (then I'd also need a DHCP server on the machine I connect the nexus7 to) Jan 30 08:49:43 ogra_: Ahh, I see it. No, I didn't remove that. Will do now. Jan 30 08:49:45 b meaning you can't export your root partition, and thus people have to split partitions to support usb storage, leading to inefficient use Jan 30 08:50:13 ogra_: (Also, that call would have been a lot less painful if you'd used apt-mark instead of apt-get, for the next time you have to perpetrate such a hack) Jan 30 08:50:26 Rjs: what device does it come up as? Jan 30 08:50:27 a meaning you suffer from a redmond-based patent troll Jan 30 08:50:29 eth0? Jan 30 08:50:40 infinity, thx, it wont help with bug #1041290 though (unless we rebuild the images for precise/quantal) Jan 30 08:50:42 Launchpad bug 1041290 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "apt-get autoremove wants to remove abootimg" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041290 Jan 30 08:50:56 infinity, will do Jan 30 08:51:09 anyway, daily vet visit now ... Jan 30 08:51:12 raster: I think it was eth0 on the nexus7 and usb0 on the host computer (though that might depend on the kernel version) Jan 30 08:51:14 * ogra_ is back in ~1h Jan 30 08:51:20 ogra_: No, won't fix the past, no, but such is life. Jan 30 08:51:41 Rjs: cool Jan 30 08:51:49 pc-side i'm good Jan 30 08:51:57 just wanted to know so i can pre-configture iot while the kernel builds Jan 30 08:52:06 and when i boot just magically have it work (tm) :) Jan 30 08:52:20 as i already have all the client-side usbnet scripts around Jan 30 08:53:57 another tip for static IP configuration: I simply didn't specify any default route through the usb net, because it's easier that way and enough for ssh - if I did setup the default route, then I'd need something to switch defaultroute between wifi and usbnet (probably just have NetworkManager manage the usbnet interface as well) Jan 30 08:53:59 Rjs: Great to hear. Thx. Jan 30 08:54:24 Rjs: i just want usbnet for development Jan 30 08:54:27 so i can ssh in Jan 30 08:54:31 when at home i do it via wifi Jan 30 08:54:38 but if u travel... thats not so useful Jan 30 08:54:41 eg.. u're on a plane Jan 30 08:54:42 :) Jan 30 08:54:56 or in an airport Jan 30 08:54:57 or hotel Jan 30 08:54:59 or cafe... Jan 30 08:55:02 or fosdem... Jan 30 08:55:03 :) Jan 30 08:55:20 Also nice to turn off the wifi and still have network access without sucking your battery dry. Jan 30 08:55:38 (bonus points for network access and charging at the same time, oooo) Jan 30 08:55:59 btw. this is a great communication channel. I feel honored to be able to talk to people who are working already quite some time hard on making things work better. Jan 30 08:55:59 a static IP on a private network without a default route is something you can easily keep always on and it doesn't affect any other network use (except if you happen to use the same IP address for something else by accident)... I guess the downside is that if you want to access the internet through it then you need to go through hoops (i.e., set the default route or use a http proxy as I sometimes do) Jan 30 08:56:46 yes, I'm finding this channel quite useful as well :) Jan 30 08:57:19 ogra_, hum, not sure you saw my message, but maybe let's just talk later Jan 30 08:57:57 dholbach: Oh, I saw it, but viciously ignored you becasue I was watching TV. Jan 30 08:58:08 dholbach: How's flash-kernel failing? "it no workie" isn't helpful. :) Jan 30 08:58:43 flash-kernel: installing version 3.1.10-9-nexus7 Jan 30 08:58:43 Couldn't find Android boot partition on /dev/mmcblk0 Jan 30 08:58:43 run-parts: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//flash-kernel exited with return code 1 Jan 30 08:58:59 Huh. Jan 30 08:59:08 You did naughty things to your partition table? Jan 30 08:59:14 (hmm, now that I think of it, I might also want to configure sshd to listen only on the usbnet interface for a bit of added security, since I don't think I'll be needing ssh through wlan) Jan 30 09:00:10 meh Jan 30 09:00:24 if someone can attack my sshd.. go at it.. its just a tablet Jan 30 09:00:25 :) Jan 30 09:00:37 does vsync work with gl now? Jan 30 09:00:42 or is it still tear-heaven? Jan 30 09:00:53 (n7) Jan 30 09:01:13 i havent updated my gl drivers in fear of them turning into a steaming pile of non-workingness Jan 30 09:02:34 also... anyone noticed how video/audio decode is skip-city? gst is using the hw codec it seems for mp3's .. but its skiporama land... Jan 30 09:04:21 raster: Hey, to be fair to NVIDIA (which I'm not often accused of), the tegra2/3 Linux drivers have nowhere to go but up. :P Jan 30 09:04:46 raster: If you think they're a steaming pile now, you should have seen them a year or two ago. Jan 30 09:04:51 hahahahaha Jan 30 09:05:09 well ... the 13.04 image when i tried ub for n7.. was all corrupted texel tile heaven Jan 30 09:05:12 and garbage land Jan 30 09:05:18 i stick to 12.10 because it worked Jan 30 09:05:19 :) Jan 30 09:05:24 Heh. Jan 30 09:05:41 I can't quite sort out why it's not just the same dudes doing all their drivers on a common codebase. Jan 30 09:05:41 so i already saw them take a toe and dip them in the steaming-pile pot :) Jan 30 09:05:50 dunno either Jan 30 09:05:50 Or maybe it is, and they just have zero QA on the tegra side. Jan 30 09:06:19 i was hoping there would be at least a few hanign here making sure they work awesome pants ++ Jan 30 09:06:19 :) Jan 30 09:06:43 so wondering who i should direct my angst and anger Jan 30 09:06:52 i know its not canonical/community :) Jan 30 09:08:13 is there a launchpad bug about that? Jan 30 09:08:44 dunno Jan 30 09:08:57 i though i searched but didnt find anything Jan 30 09:09:12 but it could have been nvidias new "Soak up my cpu with vsycn swaps on desktop" fun instead Jan 30 09:09:20 and i go direct to nvidia for those babies Jan 30 09:09:21 :) Jan 30 09:11:26 could you briefly explain to me how the whole vsync stuff should work with gl apps with composited window manager on top of X11? Jan 30 09:12:12 but even if there is a launchpad bug... its almost certainly an upstream binary blob issue... which means it just gets passed on anyway - so may as well go direct Jan 30 09:12:20 ummm Jan 30 09:12:26 i want it for my COMPOSITOR Jan 30 09:12:43 for apps... that's a whole different bundle of joy Jan 30 09:13:27 as such the regular logical way is that all apps also vsync to the blank interrupt so they effectively throttle to the refresh no matter what they try and do Jan 30 09:13:50 if windows are borderless the driver can drop to front/back buffer exchanges for composited gl appo windows Jan 30 09:13:56 and such exchanges are/can be atomic Jan 30 09:14:41 tho any such exchanges need to be blocked while any gpu pipeline exists anywhere with pending commands that indicate the target swap texture as a source Jan 30 09:14:53 to avoid mid-draw exchanges Jan 30 09:14:53 :) Jan 30 09:15:29 then u get seamless rendering Jan 30 09:15:50 requires windows be borderless tho (Client-side rendered frames will do - or u are in a mobile/touch ui with no frames) Jan 30 09:23:19 a Jan 30 11:01:41 xnox, hmm, we offer home encryption in oem-config, but until we manage to get plymouth into the initrd (which becomes more and more unlikely due to size issues) it wont work ... should we probably hide the option in the UI ? Jan 30 11:03:41 true. Jan 30 11:04:03 no, why? Jan 30 11:04:31 home encryption in oem-config is pure ecryptfs which doesn't need plymouth or anything like that. Jan 30 11:04:47 home encryption != LUKS aka full disk encryption Jan 30 11:05:32 home encryption should just work =) Jan 30 11:07:29 oh, indeed, lightdm does the decrypting, silly me Jan 30 11:07:38 sorry for the noise :) Jan 30 11:08:30 * xnox thought it's pam, not lightdm. but close enough =) it's way past initrds and stuff =) Jan 30 11:08:45 right Jan 30 11:09:00 well, UI wise its lightdm :) indeed there is pam Jan 30 11:09:45 hmm, so i see various uploads of upower but my nexus didnt upgrade upower since yesterday Jan 30 11:20:48 anybody here used nexus7 in host-usb mode? Do I need some special cable or should I be able to use normal micro USB cable with some female-female adapter to plug in e.g. a keyboard? Jan 30 11:21:39 you neerd an adapter cable, but then it shoudl just work Jan 30 11:22:09 (a so called OTG cable) Jan 30 12:03:10 hmm Jan 30 12:03:56 while the interactive governor helps massively with powersaving, my dmesg explodes every time that thing is loaded, i wonder if one can quieten that a bit to make dmesg readable again Jan 30 12:07:31 ogra_: thanks. Looks like this so called OTG cables have standard wiring so nothing special there. Unlike with OMAPs you needed to use mini-A (or was is mini-B?) cables that had pin 4 grounded and those cables were hard to obtain originally.. Jan 30 12:08:06 yeah Jan 30 12:08:24 i also onyl knew OTG as the OMAP cables with the shortened grounding before Jan 30 12:08:43 and i still have a hard time calling these normal "adapters" OTG :) Jan 30 12:24:18 just wanted to express my gratitude. Yesterday i had installed my ubuntu today I managed to set up a new kernel with usbnet. Great support from here! Thank you! Jan 30 12:27:39 did you by chance try with the composite gadget driver ? Jan 30 12:27:59 (if that works and someone tested it we should be able to provide both, serial and usbnet) Jan 30 12:29:57 ogra_: do you need the serial login, if you have usbnet..? Jan 30 12:30:13 i would like to have the choice Jan 30 12:30:28 i changed the configuration manually switched on USB_CDC_COMPOSITE and removed USB_G_SERIAL Jan 30 12:30:33 and eventually we will have to provide usbnet anyway for file transfers etc Jan 30 12:30:46 nils__, you rock, thats what i hoped Jan 30 12:31:01 (for getting some data about g_composite) Jan 30 12:32:20 ogra_: I'm using g_multi with my Mer based rootfs Jan 30 12:32:24 I can connect via "sudo screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200" Jan 30 12:33:30 And with lsusb I can see this output "Bus 002 Device 050: ID 0525:a4aa Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB CDC Composite Gadge (Ethernet and ACM)" Jan 30 12:33:51 and you can set up a usbnet connetion too ? Jan 30 12:34:06 ifconfig shows usb0 Jan 30 12:34:11 great ! Jan 30 12:34:53 but till now I haven't managed to set up the networking. But this is clearly because I have no clue yet how to do it. ;-) I am just starting. Jan 30 12:36:39 kulve: OTG cable is normal USB cable with ID pin grounded Jan 30 12:36:44 so I guess I will have to set up a little bit neworking stuff like ip adress, etc. Jan 30 12:37:17 hrw: so it is a special cable and I can't use the cable that came with the device and a basic female-female -adapter? Jan 30 12:37:50 kulve: if you have a way to configure device to switch to OTG in software you can Jan 30 12:38:30 on nokia 770/n810 it was easy Jan 30 12:38:41 ok. I thought that the devices could communicate with each other enough to realise who's the boss and who's the slave Jan 30 12:38:52 without that ID pin Jan 30 12:39:18 nope Jan 30 12:39:39 usb is pull not push Jan 30 12:39:49 host pulls slaves Jan 30 13:49:48 ogra_, will we have onboard for 13.04 ? Jan 30 13:50:24 it has so many bugs apparently Jan 30 13:51:00 i saw a workitem for Laney to get maliit into debian and ubuntu and to test it Jan 30 13:51:18 but maliit has poor layout and no modifier keys Jan 30 13:51:29 I'm not doing that with the intent of it replacing onboard Jan 30 13:51:31 at least not yet Jan 30 13:51:42 it might be less resource hungry but you pay with missing fuunctionality Jan 30 13:51:57 Laney, well, for comparison reasons :) Jan 30 13:52:03 indeed Jan 30 13:52:33 and its no secret that we inspect maliit as alternative :) Jan 30 13:52:39 came up at UDS already Jan 30 13:52:44 ogra_: I wasn't able to get far with the oem-preseeding still, but I'm doing upgrade and run tests now, and have things like baseline smem and mem testing to help do comparisons between n7 and amd64 Jan 30 13:53:00 ogra_: the baseline wakeups/sec from eventstat are *really* high by comparison on n7 Jan 30 13:53:31 well, make sure to upgrade to the very latest, there qwere several fixes yesterday and tonight Jan 30 13:53:40 especially for wakeups Jan 30 13:53:42 * janimo installs eventstat Jan 30 13:54:21 Evnt/s PID Task Init Function Callback Jan 30 13:54:21 207.97 0 [kern sched] Load balancing tick tick_sched_timer Jan 30 13:54:29 ogra_, so we have no xrotate calls or xorg rotation settings anymore by default ? Jan 30 13:54:51 janimo, only from acceld Jan 30 13:54:55 ogra_: I'll run again this morning Jan 30 13:55:04 these were from yesterday Jan 30 13:55:39 ogra_, ok, I have the equivalent of acceld in g-s-d, I'll probably upload soon Jan 30 13:55:45 plars, i uploaded a bunch of cpufreq configurations today ... and a fix for getty waking up 100 times per second when used with ttyGS0 Jan 30 13:55:59 that should sanitize it a bit Jan 30 13:56:05 I was just wondering what messed up colin's lightdm setup (he filed a bug 20 min ago) Jan 30 13:56:06 Launchpad bug 20 in Launchpad itself "Sort translatable packages by popcon popularity and nearness to completion" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20 Jan 30 13:56:25 janimo, well, cjwatson upgraded from quantal ... Jan 30 13:56:27 ogra_: cool, we'll hopefully have graphs of this soon too, so that we can monitor over time Jan 30 13:56:40 janimo, probably some leftover from some hack from the demo image Jan 30 13:56:46 for me lightdm works fine Jan 30 13:56:52 same here Jan 30 13:57:00 always portrait btw Jan 30 13:57:12 he already had issues with the kernel upgrade ... Jan 30 13:57:28 yeah, lightdm just uses what xorg gives it as default Jan 30 13:57:40 which now is always portrait Jan 30 13:57:43 * janimo checks if acceld rotated lightdm as well Jan 30 13:57:46 cause g-s-d does not Jan 30 13:57:57 acceld doesnt either Jan 30 13:58:00 I didn't really have issues with the kernel upgrade Jan 30 13:58:03 ok, so this is a bug Jan 30 13:58:05 I just needed to know to do it Jan 30 13:58:26 you would have to add acceld or g-s-d's rotation plugin to the lightdm session Jan 30 13:58:49 cjwatson, vs "everyone else gets it automatically" :) Jan 30 13:59:01 Well, sure, but that was just at the apt level; I've cleaned all that up now Jan 30 13:59:22 (I'd deliberately pinned to the PPA back when raring didn't quite work right) Jan 30 13:59:25 is your ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 at least at 0.44 ? Jan 30 13:59:44 0.47 Jan 30 13:59:45 All my packages are current raring now Jan 30 13:59:48 (that ships the xorg.conf.d snippets) Jan 30 13:59:52 weird Jan 30 14:00:18 Are the xorg.conf.d snippets read dynamically, or are they built somehow? Jan 30 14:22:35 ogra_: I'm not using serial console, so that shouldn't be causing a problem for me, but I'm getting ~450 wakups/sec it seems on the test I just ran Jan 30 14:22:35 cjwatson, we have an installed snippet at /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/21-nexus7-rotation.conf Jan 30 14:27:38 cjwatson, just plain files, no generation Jan 30 14:28:18 Yeah, I have that file Jan 30 14:30:25 ogra_, do you have other uploads queued for u-d-nexus7 ? Jan 30 14:31:14 janimo, well, i need some way to shut down usb0 on boot, i was just starting to work on an upstart job, nothing queued directly, no Jan 30 14:31:22 after the g-s-d patch is landed and working we need to disable acceld and add a new udev rule. And as minor cleanups disable Z axis reading and everything rotation related in the xorgs snippet Jan 30 14:31:38 ogra_, ok I'll paste you the changes so I don't step on your upload Jan 30 14:31:55 well, just upload away Jan 30 14:32:12 with proposed gating I need to remember to use pull-lp-source not apt-get source as the latter can get older versions Jan 30 14:32:29 i have meetings starting in an hour and am probably not getting to the usb0 stuff until they are done Jan 30 14:52:17 janimo: why did you mark this as invalid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/1031449 Jan 30 14:52:17 Ubuntu bug 1031449 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu Quantal) "rhythmbox leaking memory" [Undecided,Confirmed] Jan 30 14:52:40 achiang, let me check I don't recall Jan 30 14:53:31 ah, invalid on the nexus product, reasoning we cannot add affects nexus7 to any bug that happens to occur there as well. Jan 30 14:53:45 Or was this spotted on nexus7 only, in which case my bad? Jan 30 14:54:27 I tried cleaning up some bugs at one point and there were completely unrelated issues affecting nexus7, even bugs of rarely used universe packages Jan 30 14:54:47 I am not sure that is how the project's tracker needs to be used. Jan 30 14:55:01 I know the rb-ubuntuone plugin was mstly nexus Jan 30 14:55:08 but that was a different bug Jan 30 14:55:17 and was fixed early this cycle Jan 30 14:55:33 we never had the issue on the raring images Jan 30 14:56:11 (the -ubuntuone one) Jan 30 14:56:49 ogra_, right, just mentioning an example where I thought adding affects ubuntu-nexus7 makes sense Jan 30 14:57:20 I thought it is mostly an umbrella for bugs that either span multiplenexus related packages or are otherwise occuring mostly on this hw Jan 30 14:58:00 * ogra_ doesnt care as long as one task stays open so someone works on it at some point Jan 30 14:58:40 I only care because filtering nexus bugs is easier if all bugs are specific to this image Jan 30 14:59:06 not generic app bugs and not even ARM specific issues Jan 30 14:59:27 yah, makes sense Jan 30 15:23:58 janimo: maybe my blog on memory leaks asked people to file bugs in nexus7 so we could find them easily. :) Jan 30 15:24:22 janimo: it was kinda relevant due to the "optimize mobile" effort Jan 30 15:25:42 achiang, I agree it is ok to get people file bugs on memeory leaks. Jan 30 15:26:04 I just thought having a memleak or somesuch tag (I think we even had one initially) would be more appropriate Jan 30 15:26:09 janimo: fair enough. :) Jan 30 15:26:41 cause then people without nexus can join in without thinking they need specific hw to test and fixc Jan 30 15:26:43 fix Jan 30 16:30:33 I have beagleboard that runs ubuntu-server (12.04). while it uncompress the kernel, it takes too long to wait on Starting configure network device step each time. how can I configure it to skip that step if there is no network connection on the device? Jan 30 16:30:52 it takes more than 2 min to wait on that step on each boot Jan 30 16:36:57 do you have entries in /etc/network/interfaces besides lo ? Jan 30 16:37:30 yes Jan 30 16:37:40 because removing any that say "dhcp" will fix it, or giving a fake static IP.. but what might be better is install network-manager and let it automatically handle everything for you Jan 30 16:37:56 on a server ? Jan 30 16:38:11 network-manager has a command line :) Jan 30 16:39:57 besides this isn't really a "server" if we're talking about a beagleboard with usb ethernet Jan 30 16:40:09 the other alternative is write some nifty udev rule Jan 30 16:40:42 network-manager just solves the problem immediately though without introducing any behavior nobody can reproduce ;) Jan 30 16:41:03 it is nontheless a bug if a server install behaves like that after installation Jan 30 16:41:26 stgraber, i though that was fixed in an SRU ? Jan 30 16:41:56 I have this version: Linux user 3.2.0-23-omap #36-Ubuntu Tue Apr 10 20:24:21 UTC 2012 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux Jan 30 16:42:06 not really. if I disconnect my virtual ethernet from a VMware server instance, it does the same thing on every distro I've ever used... it's partially because the networking script hangs around waiting for the device to be probed isn't it? Jan 30 16:42:29 ogra_: what bug? Jan 30 16:42:36 angs, are you fully upgraded to the latest packages ? Jan 30 16:42:46 networking could be "starting" long before modules are probed, especially if dealing with drivers that do probe deferral Jan 30 16:42:51 stgraber, 60sec timeout on boot to bring up networking Jan 30 16:42:51 can't I skip that step without installing network-manager. I am told that network-manager has many bugs etc. Jan 30 16:43:06 ogra_: I havenot updated it for months. I will do that now Jan 30 16:43:16 network-manager is fine, the point is that it should work without it Jan 30 16:43:21 ogra_: if you install a non-desktop version of Ubuntu and d-i writes an entry for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces. If that interface doesn't exist at boot time, you need to wait 90s before the system hits the fallback and boots Jan 30 16:43:34 ergh Jan 30 16:44:05 any workaround ? Jan 30 16:44:20 I have only lo and wlan on /etc/network/interfaces, I don't have eth interface written on that file Jan 30 16:44:42 and you actually use eth and not wlan ? Jan 30 16:45:06 yes, a cable is connected to the eth Jan 30 16:45:25 is it the reason of my problem? Jan 30 16:46:16 if you dont use the wlan i would indeed wipe it from /etc/network/interfaces ... did you use it at install time ? Jan 30 16:46:45 I unplugged the ethernet cable and am rebooting the device now. Jan 30 16:47:26 I wrote wlan0 info on that file long ago, but I am planning to use a wifi dongle soon Jan 30 16:48:04 btw, it still waits long even ethernet cable is unplugged, it shows Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration... and before Jan 30 17:02:55 angs: maybe it waits for dhcp from the wlan? do you have "auto wlan0" or "allow-hotplug wlan0" in the interfaces file? (if you do, you can take it out and "ifup wlan0" will still work, then it's just not done automatically) Jan 30 17:03:22 thats why i suggested commenting or removing the wlan entry Jan 30 17:04:57 you can keep the entry ("iface wlan0" etc.) if you want: if you remove auto and allow-hotplug, the entry should never be used unless you run "ifup wlan0" manually (or at least that's how it works on debian without any network-managers; I don't know if ubuntu has something special there) Jan 30 17:20:00 by the way, I just tested the usbnet gadget in nexus7 without having anything related to it in /etc/network/interfaces, and it does correctly detect whether it is plugged in: Jan 30 17:20:00 I specified a static IP in the GUI ("Manual" IPv4 setting in the "Edit Connections" dialog, remembering to turn default route off in the Routes sub-dialog) and it seems to work: I get a notification about the "Wired connection" when I plug in the usb cable, and another when I plug it out Jan 30 17:21:32 yeaah Jan 30 17:21:35 so it appears to work just as it should (just like a normal wired Ethernet device)... except maybe that I noticed that the usb0 interface is always UP according to ifconfig, but only has an IP when plugged in (so I think NM sets and removes the static IP), but I don't think it matters Jan 30 17:21:37 thanks for testing Jan 30 17:21:59 yeah, we discussed NM behavior before in #ubuntu-devel Jan 30 17:22:25 it will get fixed to not annoy you with autoconnect attempts Jan 30 17:24:11 ok :) (though I don't think it annoys you with anything after you've set a static private IP, then it just thinks that it is connected whenever plugged in? and if the interface has no default route, nothing should send any packets there unless the private IP network is used?) Jan 30 17:27:02 well, would your mom want to do that ? Jan 30 17:27:27 if you plug the device in it should just be accessible but not pop up messages all the time :) Jan 30 17:28:16 hmm, ok :) so you're somehow setting networkmanager's default so that it doesn't bring up the interface at all unless configured by the user first? Jan 30 17:30:26 (I don't really know what would be a good overall default; my first idea was to automatically set a randomized static private IP, but then there's the problem of communicating the IP to the user when he wants to set it up; then I thought of setting up only the IPv6 link-level address and nothing else, but probably many users would have trouble with anything ipv6 even if on a private link) Jan 30 17:32:03 but maybe it's ok to leave it completely up to the user (if (s)he wants to use the usbnet at all), though maybe it would be good to point out somewhere (in a "Tips" page in the wiki perhaps) that if you control both ends, a static IP may be much easier to configure than setting up a DHCP server on the host computer just for this Jan 30 17:34:03 (of course, none of this is nexus7-specific but common to any device that runs ubuntu and works as an usb gadget, so it's good to have a solution that is as general-purpose as possible - but I guess you know that already) Jan 30 17:36:11 yup Jan 30 20:35:05 i cant figure out why my watchpoint isn't working Jan 30 20:35:13 i have a memory address that usually has a valid value in it Jan 30 20:35:23 but sometimes it has null which causes a null pointer dereference Jan 30 20:35:53 i did "watch 0x", which is the same address as x which returns a value sometime and othertimes null Jan 30 20:36:02 but the hardware watchpoint never breaks Jan 30 20:36:15 i also tried watch *(int *)
Jan 31 01:05:11 Can I root with no PC? just the N7 Alon? Jan 31 01:05:28 Can I root with no PC? just the N7 alone. Jan 31 01:50:50 tripelb...not here Jan 31 01:50:54 i have the answer... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 31 02:59:58 2013