**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 01 02:59:58 2013 Feb 01 03:09:17 how would I fix a broken /lib/modules/(kernel version)/build Feb 01 03:09:21 link? Feb 01 06:23:51 '/wc Feb 01 07:03:14 good morning Feb 01 08:28:18 anybody thinking of getting ouya as small ubuntu-based "desktop computer"? Surely it's low-end compared to actual PCs but it might be enough for some basic stuff, emails, www, video playback Feb 01 08:28:52 and ubuntu's current UIs would suit that use case probably better than e.g. nexus 7 Feb 01 14:03:25 yipiie, my n4 arrived Feb 01 14:04:07 i wish i had a micro sim already Feb 01 14:42:04 ogra: you can cut your normal sim to fit the micro-slot Feb 01 14:42:23 i've done it a couple of times, just make sure you don't cut too much and you're fine Feb 01 14:44:04 there're a bunch of guides on how to do it like this one: http://www.solutios.com/simcutting/ Feb 01 15:10:02 ogra: how is it? Feb 01 15:45:37 I just took my SIM to the shop and they did it for free with a punching device Feb 01 15:45:49 didn't trust myself to cut it Feb 01 15:51:15 vanhoof, cool piece of HW Feb 01 15:51:32 i ordered a new SIM already but that wont arrive before tomorrow Feb 01 17:33:04 ogra: You've joined the hordes of proper smart phone owners? I thought you made fun of all of us. Feb 01 17:36:44 haha Feb 01 17:36:49 well, i have an S2 Feb 01 17:37:12 HW wise thats actually proper i'd say ... Feb 01 18:14:14 ogra: after I got into this situation w/ my S2, I decided the nexus line is for me :) http://ubuntuone.com/1VhMjTNOGS1p7epWyVSUtt Feb 01 18:54:47 lol Feb 01 19:00:50 I'm getting install failures in the OMAP4 daily images raring-server-armhf+omap4.img Feb 01 19:01:07 (repeating from ubuntu-server channel, just in case) Feb 01 19:13:12 wendar, hmm, i dont think these have been tested a lot lately, except by the auto-testing (since dropping the milestones nobody tests much anymore) Feb 01 19:13:37 how does that manifest ? Feb 01 19:13:54 ogra: yeah, I'm just refreshing my PandaBoard dev environment to do some armhf work on universe FTBFS Feb 01 19:14:23 ogra: it makes it through the partitioning step Feb 01 19:15:10 ogra: but, when it tries to run the tasksel for Open SSH Server, it gives a generic "Installation step failed" message Feb 01 19:15:30 I tried several variations on that, with the same error Feb 01 19:15:31 definitely worth a bug Feb 01 19:16:01 which ticket queue should I stick it in? Feb 01 19:16:28 and, do you want any special arm tags? Feb 01 19:16:40 well, start with filing it against debian-installer Feb 01 19:16:55 attach syslog and partman.log Feb 01 19:17:36 armhf and raring tags should be fine (but not mandatory) Feb 01 19:18:01 will do. I may not have much success fetching the log files off the pandaboard, but I'll try Feb 01 19:18:52 ogra: and thanks :) Feb 01 19:19:10 welcome, thanks for reporting :) Feb 01 20:27:20 ogra / wendar: I'm pretty tempted to drop the omap4 server images entirely, rather than fix bugs in them (assuming the bug is specific to that image, and not some larger systemic problem). Feb 01 20:32:52 infinity: how are the desktop images? are they getting daily testing? Feb 01 20:32:59 (omap4, that is) Feb 01 20:33:36 infinity: it is pretty handing for development to have working omap4 images, kind of silly to do a full desktop install on a pandaboard for low-level library packaging work Feb 01 20:34:14 infinity: where "silly" == hogs resources that are useful for package building Feb 01 20:34:46 hey, just want to thank the canonical team for the awesome progress on Ubuntu on ARM this week, I've seen the weekly summary for today and I am really amazed, you guys are doing a great job Feb 01 20:35:19 infinity: but, they could easily go back to being preinstalled images run off an SD card, rather than running debian-installer Feb 01 20:40:14 wendar: I just use the netboot images to install my Panda, rather than downloading a big server image. Feb 01 20:41:27 infinity: ENODOCS Feb 01 20:41:41 I think I might have been the last person to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP Feb 01 20:42:47 infinity: I'm totally cool with altering the recommended practice for raring Feb 01 20:42:56 The netboot section could definitely do with a bit more verbosity. Feb 01 20:43:23 And, ideally, the whole wiki page could not suffer from living in the past. Feb 01 20:43:39 Like the references to natty netbook images... Feb 01 20:43:51 infinity: it's supposed to be updated with each release Feb 01 20:44:24 Well, ideally, we shouldn't need platform-specific install pages at all. This is how things get out of date. Feb 01 20:44:49 infinity: except that OMAP has always been an unique little snowflake Feb 01 20:44:57 Little bit, yeah. Feb 01 20:44:58 infinity: with need of more information Feb 01 20:45:27 infinity: I volunteer my time to help, whatever needs to be done Feb 01 20:45:56 infinity: if it's dropping the armhf ubuntu-server images and updating the docs to match, that's cool Feb 01 20:46:02 wendar: Anyhow, boot.img-serial.gz (or boot.img-fb.gz, if you like monitors and keyboards) from ports/dists/$dist/main/installer-armhf/current/images/$platform should do the trick. Feb 01 20:46:31 Well, dropping the server images is orthoganal to documenting netboot a little bit better. Feb 01 20:47:08 I suspect most people would be so wildly excited to discover that they only need to download a 9MB image to install, mind you... Feb 01 20:47:24 Given that server is basically full CD sized, and full of things most people don't need. Feb 01 20:48:17 But I'm also an old skool UNIX type who thinks everything should boot/install via bootp/tftp, so my opinion may not be the norm. Feb 01 20:51:07 This all gets more interesting when we finally have a generic kernel (getting there), and I pretty much refuse to build a full desktop and server image for each one just to include a different bootloader. Feb 01 20:51:21 But spinning d-i netboot images for each subarch is simple, and quite doable. Feb 01 23:31:40 slangasek, as i said in the meeting, i see it at such a level as well right after boot (using htop to measure) but it drops then to about 360M Feb 01 23:32:16 (wrt the nexus7 ram usage) Feb 01 23:32:25 ogra: how do you measure this? Mine is consistently at 600M+ with the latest raring Feb 01 23:32:35 htop Feb 01 23:32:37 oh, interestingly I just checked it again and now it's at 550M ;) Feb 01 23:32:45 i have it running via ssh Feb 01 23:32:59 right, it takes a bit but will go further down Feb 01 23:33:01 why htop? Feb 01 23:33:16 dunno, i like the ease of use Feb 01 23:33:17 'free' shows me 553996 as 'used, -buffers' Feb 01 23:34:33 well, i like to have the processlist and htop is way more userfriendly than top Feb 01 23:35:18 fair enough Feb 01 23:35:19 (and is usable by mouse and touch in a terminal) Feb 01 23:35:34 I prefer to use the tools that are available in a stock install, provided they do the job :) Feb 01 23:36:00 (which 'top' does not, it doesn't properly report "memory used for things that aren't disk cache") Feb 01 23:36:08 i'm happy to know hpow to use them if needed but i'm spoiled by bling and desktops :) Feb 01 23:36:59 colorful terminal apps are a good compromise ;) Feb 01 23:37:10 , Feb 01 23:37:51 heh, what's 'luxd'? Feb 01 23:38:14 a shortcut from the ambient lightsensor to the lcd brightness Feb 01 23:38:35 jani works on implementing it in gnome-settings-daemon Feb 01 23:38:41 ok Feb 01 23:38:44 so we can drop the script Feb 01 23:38:58 does inotify work on /sys? :) Feb 01 23:39:22 acceld is going away too, g-s-d is nearly there Feb 01 23:39:27 nice Feb 01 23:39:39 well Feb 01 23:39:54 its the same thing just in C ... still polling every sec Feb 01 23:40:01 how about brcm_scaryhotpatch_daemon? :) Feb 01 23:40:09 ah... less nice, then ;) Feb 01 23:40:19 i dont think inotify works on virtual fs@es Feb 01 23:40:57 well, no reason that it would apply to all virtual fses, but I just checked and yeah, doesn't appear to work on /sys Feb 01 23:41:16 there were attempts to implement brcm_patchram in the kernel driver to load the firmware ... but i think they were turned down Feb 01 23:42:42 mathieu just packaged it and sanitized my upstart job ... it still needs some fixing (doesnt survive suspend) Feb 01 23:43:09 its a compromise, but makes the HW work Feb 01 23:43:28 ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 02 03:00:00 2013