**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 17 02:59:57 2013
Feb 17 03:00:11 <joao> i did, nothing bad happened
Feb 17 03:19:50 <isaias> hey, how do i get the onboard keyboard working? im trying to connect to my router
Feb 17 03:20:12 <drizzy> click in the input box
Feb 17 03:20:20 <drizzy> a input box
Feb 17 03:20:42 <isaias> im tapping it, nothing is happenning, lol
Feb 17 03:21:40 <isaias> :(
Feb 17 03:22:33 <isaias> no onboard keyboard is comming up in any input boxes
Feb 17 03:25:47 <isaias> any help with this?
Feb 17 03:29:19 <isaias> i dont have a keybord with a usb that will plug into my nexus
Feb 17 05:12:03 <isaias> :/
Feb 17 05:12:11 <isaias> this keeps crashing
Feb 17 07:44:28 <ashes> i'm curious what you do with your ubuntu-arm machines
Feb 17 07:44:49 <ashes> i have one, and i don't know what to do with it
Feb 17 07:45:12 <ashes> i have another arm machine running as a NAS, so i don't need another
Feb 17 07:45:56 <ashes> i'm in a home environment
Feb 17 07:51:04 <ashes> i have a seagate goflex archlinux NAS. it's able to do what it can do. it's simple. i have a trim slice, which can do a tiny bit more, regardless of being a nvidia cpu. i would like to put the trim slice to use, somehow
Feb 17 07:51:59 <ashes> the goflex is owned. i can run buildroot on it, or cross-linuxfromscratch. it's owned
Feb 17 07:52:26 <ashes> the trimslice begs gpu drivers
Feb 17 07:52:53 <gildean> ashes: the tegra2-driver that's used on the ac100 works fine on the trimslice
Feb 17 07:53:14 <gildean> "fine"
Feb 17 07:53:36 <ashes> i have tried taloring video for the trim slice, and it still doesn't run well
Feb 17 07:53:37 <gildean> as well as nvidia's beta-drivers work
Feb 17 07:53:55 <ashes> it stops
Feb 17 07:54:13 <ashes> i thought it was an i/o problem, and it's something else
Feb 17 07:54:59 <ashes> it means i need a backend to recode stuff
Feb 17 07:55:35 <ashes> video plays, but really badly
Feb 17 07:55:57 <gildean> ashes: which drivers are you sporting?
Feb 17 07:56:05 <ashes> h264
Feb 17 07:56:54 <ashes> if you can give me a link to a video that should play well on a trim slice, and if it plays well, i will shut up about the hardware problems
Feb 17 07:57:22 <ashes> i will figure it out from there
Feb 17 07:58:16 <gildean> h264 is a video-codec, i was asking about which display-drivers are you using?
Feb 17 07:58:49 <gildean> the tegra2 has a hard time playing anything hd, so that's mainly out of the question
Feb 17 07:59:20 <ashes> x11, nvidia.
Feb 17 08:01:01 <ashes> in reality, i will never ever buy nvidia again, like ever. i thought i was finished 10 years ago, and today you will need to spike red hot spikes in me before i agree to this again
Feb 17 08:01:52 <ashes> i am trying to salvage this machine, and its not easy
Feb 17 08:02:13 <ashes> it does shit in 1/8th the time of my laptop
Feb 17 08:02:29 <ashes> so finding a use for it is hard
Feb 17 08:03:23 <ashes> uhm
Feb 17 08:03:53 <ashes> 100/8ths
Feb 17 08:04:42 <ashes> the gpu is the only useful part
Feb 17 08:04:56 <ashes> and it's not usefull
Feb 17 08:06:06 <ashes> nvidia has made me check over every single driver when i buy hardware, to make sure none of it is nvidia
Feb 17 08:06:33 <ashes> they have done the final nail
Feb 17 08:06:47 <ashes> i did this when i bought my laptop
Feb 17 08:07:14 <ashes> and for some reason when i bought my arm system i went retarded
Feb 17 08:08:01 <ashes> 'nvidia, sure, trust them to give me drivers!'
Feb 17 08:08:08 <ashes> or, not
Feb 17 08:09:31 <ashes> i have a machine i paid $250 for, th
Feb 17 08:09:56 <ashes> i have a machine i paid $250 for, with a nvidia cpu/gpu, and it's good for nothing to me
Feb 17 08:10:47 <ashes> it's not a NAS, not a XBMC, not a firewall
Feb 17 08:10:58 <ashes> it is good for nothing
Feb 17 08:11:08 <ashes> it's a paperweight
Feb 17 08:12:04 <ashes> linux doing nothing because nvidia is not cooperating
Feb 17 08:14:42 <ashes> never buy nvidia. do not believe their sales bullshits about supporting new hardware. buy ati
Feb 17 08:15:11 <ashes> never buy nvidia
Feb 17 08:15:18 <ashes> ever
Feb 17 08:15:38 <ashes> you will get fucked
Feb 17 08:15:47 <ogra_> can you stop the vendor bashing please ?
Feb 17 08:16:02 <ashes> i'm fustrated
Feb 17 08:16:21 <ogra_> yes, but its not appropriate for this channel
Feb 17 08:16:55 <ogra_> did you download and install the codecs from nvidia ? we only have the GL drivers in the archive, not the codecs
Feb 17 08:17:29 <ogra_> so while GL apps will be fine, for video playback you will need additional bits
Feb 17 14:54:17 <isaias> any news on the new img?
Feb 17 15:40:54 <mosasaur> debootstrap --arch armhf --foreign --verbose precise http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
Feb 17 15:41:26 <mosasaur> /usr/sbin/debootstrap: 382: cd: can't cd to http://archive.ubuntu.com
Feb 17 15:42:11 <mosasaur> where can I point debootstrap for an armhf?
Feb 17 15:43:26 <mosasaur> I need a distro with gcc >= 4.6
Feb 17 15:44:24 <boern> hey guys, i just had a problem i would like to share with you..  i installed ubuntu on my nexus 7 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation) i did in manually..  the part where you flash your userdata normally takes you 80 seconds.. on my computer it took 960 seconds.. i though i did something wrong but now its working..
Feb 17 15:45:06 <boern> it*
Feb 17 15:50:19 <isaias> boern: the new img is out?
Feb 17 15:50:32 <isaias> :o
Feb 17 17:50:29 <ogra_> mosasaur, its http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
Feb 17 17:51:39 <ogra_> mosasaur, also i would install qemu-user=static and use qemu-debootstrap, thats way smarter for creating a chroot (and you can directly chroot into it after debootstrap is done)
Feb 17 17:54:18 <mosasaur> thanks ogra, but I still can't get it to work
Feb 17 17:54:28 <mosasaur> debootstrap --arch armhf --foreign --verbose precise http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
Feb 17 17:55:07 <ogra_> erm
Feb 17 17:55:14 <ogra_> you are missing the target dir
Feb 17 17:55:32 <ogra_> debootstrap --arch armhf --foreign --verbose precise /path/to/chroot http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
Feb 17 17:55:52 <ogra_> mosasaur, ^^
Feb 17 17:56:56 <mosasaur> it works!
Feb 17 17:57:09 * mosasaur feels very stupid and happy now
Feb 17 17:58:06 <ogra_> but really, use qemu-debootstrap ... saves you the whole second debootstrap run (and you dont need --foreign)
Feb 17 17:59:49 <mosasaur> I'm kind of hacking this to work with ubuntu instead of debian: http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/debian-on-android
Feb 17 18:00:49 <mosasaur> I had extract the build-arm-chroot script from an old lucid
Feb 17 18:01:13 <mosasaur> but that script is just a thin wrapper around debootstrap it seems
Feb 17 18:01:24 <ogra_> yeah, that became qemu-debootstrap
Feb 17 18:01:57 <mosasaur> thanks a lot ogra_ !
Feb 17 18:02:03 <ogra_> well, its a lot more, the qemu-user-static package establishes a binfmt handler
Feb 17 18:02:32 <ogra_> which qemu-debootstrap uses ... this way you can just chroot into the armhf chroot on an x86 machine
Feb 17 18:02:44 <mosasaur> I had to adapt it to make it think armhf is acceptable
Feb 17 18:03:11 <ogra_> you shouldnt need to
Feb 17 18:03:37 <mosasaur> but indeed I could just do it all by myself, the problem is this is all very new to me
Feb 17 18:03:59 <ogra_> wow, that howto is really using ancient stuff
Feb 17 18:04:12 <mosasaur> the script is so old it doesn't know armhf
Feb 17 18:04:22 <ogra_> yes, i know
Feb 17 18:04:34 * ogra_ wrote that stuff years ago
Feb 17 18:04:57 <mosasaur> what that is your script :p
Feb 17 18:05:05 <ogra_> but also havent touched it in years, debian adopted it into qemu-user-static
Feb 17 18:05:14 <ogra_> no, build-arm-chroot was mine
Feb 17 18:05:34 <ogra_> and the whole qemu-arm-static stuff
Feb 17 18:05:38 <mosasaur> anyway it still works with a slight mod
Feb 17 18:05:55 <ogra_> right, the new way would be easier though :)
Feb 17 18:06:39 <ogra_> do you plan to have a full desktop install or just a basic environment
Feb 17 18:09:06 <mosasaur> I'm making an image to run in a loop device on my android machine
Feb 17 18:09:37 <mosasaur> the Android sdcard has a 4GB limit, becasue it's vfat
Feb 17 18:09:53 <ogra_> yes, but what do you plan to have inside that image ?
Feb 17 18:10:09 <ogra_> a desktop environment or just a basic commandline system
Feb 17 18:10:46 <mosasaur> I need a gcc >= 4.6 and an armhf kernel to compile rtlsdr
Feb 17 18:11:05 <ogra_> we provide a tarball for armhf with a basic but unconfigured cmdline system
Feb 17 18:11:05 <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
Feb 17 18:11:10 <ogra_> just grab it there
Feb 17 18:11:22 <ogra_> its pretty much what you get with debootstrap
Feb 17 18:11:41 <ogra_> so you can just untar it into your mounted image
Feb 17 18:11:58 <mosasaur> OK thanks, but I was under the impression these are preconfigured for specific devices
Feb 17 18:12:27 <ogra_> nope, they are exactly not preconfigured so you can build images out of them ;)
Feb 17 18:12:37 <ogra_> thats the whole purpose of ubuntu-core
Feb 17 18:12:51 <mosasaur> right I see, that is much easier
Feb 17 18:13:34 <ogra_> http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Core#Login_in_.22root.22_without_the_need_of_a_password
Feb 17 18:13:39 <ogra_> you might want ths though
Feb 17 18:14:04 <ogra_> (i dont think your howto works without unlocking root ... ubuntu locks it by default)
Feb 17 18:15:31 <mosasaur> I already had root by exploiting an exynos privilege escalation
Feb 17 18:16:00 <mosasaur> but then I installed cyanogenmod and now I have that yellow triangle
Feb 17 18:16:36 <ogra_> i'm talking about your ubuntu environemnt
Feb 17 18:16:49 <ogra_> not about the underlying android
Feb 17 18:17:24 <ogra_> you either need to set a root password or unlick the root account in the image you are building
Feb 17 18:17:34 <ogra_> *unlock
Feb 17 18:18:13 <mosasaur> I am setting a root password while I am still in a chroot on my ubuntu machine
Feb 17 18:18:23 <ogra_> ok
Feb 17 18:18:24 <isaias> ++..................................................................+.
Feb 17 18:18:44 <mosasaur> on the android machine I run it under a VNC
Feb 17 18:19:15 <ogra_> isaias, i fished out teh last known working nexus7 image from a backup  ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/
Feb 17 18:19:30 <ogra_> isaias, it shoudl work with the manual install method described on the aiki
Feb 17 18:19:34 <ogra_> *wiki
Feb 17 18:19:39 <mosasaur> but I read about someone making an xserver.apk, could not make it work on my device though
Feb 17 18:19:40 <isaias> I just finished doing it :D
Feb 17 18:19:43 <isaias> thank you!
Feb 17 18:19:57 <ogra_> isaias, you mean you already tried that specific image ?
Feb 17 18:20:13 <isaias> just rebooted to see it works
Feb 17 18:20:16 <isaias> its flashing
Feb 17 18:20:20 * ogra_ handt announced the url anywhere yet 
Feb 17 18:20:31 <isaias> o, wait
Feb 17 18:20:34 <isaias> its different
Feb 17 18:20:40 <isaias> i went to /current
Feb 17 18:20:44 <ogra_> which one do you use ?
Feb 17 18:20:46 <ogra_> ah
Feb 17 18:20:54 <isaias> it said it was uploaded today
Feb 17 18:20:56 <ogra_> thats likely exposing the same breakage
Feb 17 18:21:04 <isaias> oh
Feb 17 18:21:07 <isaias> ok
Feb 17 18:21:22 <ogra_> yes, i havent found the reason yet, but also havent tried the image from the 17th
Feb 17 18:21:23 <isaias> aww xD
Feb 17 18:21:34 <ogra_> so it would be good if you could let it move on
Feb 17 18:21:35 <isaias> well, I'll try it out :P
Feb 17 18:21:46 <ogra_> to report if its any different
Feb 17 18:21:52 <isaias> anything special you want me to do?
Feb 17 18:22:02 <ogra_> no, just leave it do its thing
Feb 17 18:22:11 <isaias> k
Feb 17 18:22:20 <ogra_> see if you get into the graphical installer after the splash screen or if it stays black
Feb 17 18:22:39 <isaias> ok
Feb 17 18:23:48 <isaias> i had tried an older img but it kept crashing. had to plug it in and wait for the "battery full" to show up to be able to turn it on
Feb 17 18:24:22 <ogra_> ah, yeah, battery should be charged when installing
Feb 17 18:24:26 <isaias> scared me a little when i saw the messed up screen lol
Feb 17 18:24:35 <isaias> battery was fully charged
Feb 17 18:24:38 <ogra_> the device seems to start behaving weird if it is below a certain value
Feb 17 18:24:45 <isaias> ahh
Feb 17 18:24:56 <ogra_> at least for installing ...
Feb 17 18:27:17 <isaias> The screen is black. I'll leave it for a few minutes to see is anything happens
Feb 17 18:27:32 <ogra_> yeah, the installer startup is very slow
Feb 17 18:36:59 <isaias> something should have happenedc by nos
Feb 17 18:37:01 <isaias> now*
Feb 17 18:37:05 <ogra_> yes
Feb 17 18:37:16 <ogra_> it shouldnt take more than 1-2min
Feb 17 18:37:47 <ogra_> i havent tested the "last-good-image" yet, but i think it should be fine
Feb 17 18:37:49 <isaias> website says it would take up to 20 min
Feb 17 18:38:09 <isaias> so I would be testing it?
Feb 17 18:38:12 * ogra_ is on a slow connection ....
Feb 17 18:38:35 <ogra_> my download will still take 30min ... then i'll test it
Feb 17 18:38:41 <ogra_> if you can get it before, go ahead :)
Feb 17 18:38:48 <isaias> 5 min for me
Feb 17 18:38:53 <isaias> left, i mean
Feb 17 18:38:55 <isaias> lol\
Feb 17 18:43:01 <mosasaur> where can I find /ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-armhf/Packages ?
Feb 17 18:43:44 <mosasaur> I mean what do I put in my /etc/apt/sources.list
Feb 17 18:44:47 <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1672758/
Feb 17 18:48:12 <mosasaur> thanks ogra that works for precise too
Feb 17 18:52:42 <isaias> waiting for my device to boot
Feb 17 18:52:54 * ogra_ crosses fingers
Feb 17 18:54:09 <isaias> no boot logo yet
Feb 17 18:55:40 * ogra_ is flashing
Feb 17 18:56:06 <Tassadar> good thing you're not sparkling yet)
Feb 17 18:56:11 <ogra_> haha
Feb 17 18:56:24 <isaias> back xD
Feb 17 18:56:30 <ogra_> front
Feb 17 18:56:36 <isaias> lol
Feb 17 18:56:52 <isaias> its still not doing anything. You sure it wont take 20min or so?
Feb 17 18:57:07 <isaias> like the website says xD
Feb 17 18:57:17 <ogra_> well, it should be busy unpacking the tarball
Feb 17 18:57:31 <isaias> ok
Feb 17 18:57:44 <ogra_> but it also tells you that it is
Feb 17 18:57:52 <isaias> not doing anything
Feb 17 18:58:02 <ogra_> "preparing the root filesystem, this will take several minutes ..."
Feb 17 18:58:14 <isaias> it said that, then it all went dark
Feb 17 18:58:30 <ogra_> thats the "last good" one ?
Feb 17 18:58:35 <isaias> yep
Feb 17 18:58:38 <ogra_> crap
Feb 17 18:58:39 <isaias> would it be ok to disconect it from my computer after i try it again?
Feb 17 18:58:46 <ogra_> sure
Feb 17 18:58:56 <isaias> while it says "preparing..."
Feb 17 18:59:09 <ogra_> yeah, doesnt do any harm
Feb 17 18:59:26 <isaias> k. wI have to go in about 5 min for an hr or so.
Feb 17 19:00:03 <isaias> but I'll be back. I'll try it again
Feb 17 19:00:27 <isaias> good luck!
Feb 17 19:00:38 <ogra_> thx
Feb 17 20:53:09 <isaias> ogra_: you get it working?
Feb 17 21:56:17 <redtape-renegade> I am seriously thinking about doing this :: http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.com/2012/11/looking-for-acer-c7-chrubuntu-tester.html
Feb 17 21:56:22 <redtape-renegade> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350716277246?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Feb 17 23:41:17 <isaias> ogra_: i rebooted a few times and it seems to have booted up just fine this time
Feb 17 23:50:10 <redtape-renegade> isaias: GOOD for you  !! ||  \o/ ||
Feb 17 23:50:25 <isaias> i thought it did
Feb 17 23:50:33 <isaias> its stuck on the weird colors
Feb 17 23:52:20 <redtape-renegade> MMMmm.. not sure I can help .. I'm stuck sitting up-to 1am tonight to get this chromebook  ::::: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350716277246?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Feb 17 23:54:21 <k1l> !ot | redtape-renegade
Feb 17 23:54:22 <ubot2> redtape-renegade: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
Feb 17 23:55:56 <k1l> oh wait, this isnt the main support channel :/ but atleast its not a ARM chromebook so its offtopic :)
Feb 17 23:58:10 <isaias> its working now. its installing
Feb 17 23:59:05 <isaias> ogra_: its working, after several reboots
Feb 18 00:08:57 <redtape-renegade> k1l .. chromebooks ARE Arm !
Feb 18 00:09:07 <k1l> redtape-renegade: nope
Feb 18 00:09:19 <k1l> there is one chromebook. the rest is intel stuff
Feb 18 00:09:34 <redtape-renegade> k1l: Are you on #ubuntu-offtopic
Feb 18 00:10:02 <k1l> Dual-core Intel® Celeron® Processor
Feb 18 00:10:31 <redtape-renegade> oh ok .. what ubuntu #channel does that belong to ?
Feb 18 00:11:14 <k1l> for support try #ubuntu . for talking about ebay auctions its the offtopic one :)
Feb 18 00:12:10 <redtape-renegade> Crumbs .. how generic is that Ans.  ?? It's not an auction-topic .. It's about Chrubuntu ..
Feb 18 00:13:28 <k1l> hmm chrubuntu is not a official derivate of ubuntu :/
Feb 18 00:13:54 <infinity> There's no such thing as an official derivative.
Feb 18 00:14:19 <infinity> Derivatives, by their very nature, can't be "official", as we have no control over them.
Feb 18 00:17:53 <isaias> I was able to install ubuntu on my nexus7. onboard up during instalaion but not when I try and put in my password
Feb 18 00:18:08 <isaias> and it says I have 5% battery, but I know its full
Feb 18 00:18:51 <isaias> or it should be full
Feb 18 00:18:59 <darkfaded> isaias: i found that it doesn't update the display at all times
Feb 18 00:19:30 <darkfaded> although i'm on 12.10 and it worked most of the time
Feb 18 00:19:36 <darkfaded> it's a bit odd
Feb 18 00:21:18 <isaias> so reinstalling might fix it, right?
Feb 18 00:21:25 <isaias> im on 12.10
Feb 18 02:25:50 <guard> do I have to have Nexus connected to Ubuntu when installing it to my device?
Feb 18 02:26:01 <guard> i dont think so, but its acting weird
Feb 18 02:38:45 <guard> omg, it worked!
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