**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 18 02:59:58 2013
Feb 18 03:22:38 <raster> moo
Feb 18 04:52:51 <guard> how do I add the terminal icon to my dash?
Feb 18 07:33:05 <nils_> good morning
Feb 18 07:37:35 <nils_> I haven't visited this channel for a few days. Today I read this interesting article: http://www.canonical.com/content/touch-developer-preview-ubuntu-be-published-21-february-2013. Any implication to N7 so far?
Feb 18 07:53:03 <dholbach> good morning
Feb 18 08:13:12 <isaias> good morning
Feb 18 08:14:34 <isaias> I have to keep my nexus pluged in to be able to use it with ubuntu. is it my install that went weird? or does this happen with everyone?
Feb 18 08:20:39 <raster> isaias: i cassh in just fine
Feb 18 08:20:43 <raster> plugged in or not
Feb 18 08:21:04 <isaias> ok. I'll reinstall when I get home
Feb 18 08:21:15 <isaias> raster: Thank you
Feb 18 10:36:22 <smartboyhw> ogra_, ping..... You said that we should talk about the Nexus7 testcases in ISO QA Tracker today:P
Feb 18 10:37:30 <ogra_> sure, the QA people were on the hool to develop some, you should probably talk to gema and plars where they are at with that, adding them to the isotracker is only the last step
Feb 18 10:37:41 <ogra_> s/hool/hook/
Feb 18 10:37:56 <smartboyhw> ogra_, OK
Feb 18 13:19:41 <Darkwing> ogra_: are teh N7 daily images broken?
Feb 18 13:20:35 <ogra_> Darkwing, yes, you can use http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/ with the manual method ... it has some bugs though
Feb 18 13:20:50 <ogra_> i recommend using a keyboard with it
Feb 18 13:21:01 <Darkwing> ogra_: Okay.
Feb 18 13:21:19 <ogra_> we're actively working on a fix though
Feb 18 13:21:25 <Darkwing> ogra_: I'm going to fiddling with Plasma Active with it so, I'm expectingbroken.
Feb 18 15:18:24 <wookey> what backend does plymouth use to draw on arm?
Feb 18 15:19:05 <wookey> does it need X, fbdev,, something else? I see mention of 'drm' which seems to be kernel mode access to GPU
Feb 18 15:19:38 <wookey> but libdrm only seems to be enabled for x86 in packaging
Feb 18 15:20:20 <wookey> I'm trying to work out what the smallest set of packages I have to build to make it work enough to boot on a no-graphics model is.
Feb 18 15:20:27 <wookey> but have no cleu how any of it works.
Feb 18 15:21:04 <ix_>  I'd like to install ubuntu on my ARM chromebook
Feb 18 15:21:12 <ix_> just delete chromeos
Feb 18 15:21:14 <wookey> or maybe it _won't_ boot on a console-only machine? (what does ubuntu server do about this?)
Feb 18 15:26:49 <plars> ogra_: I talked to balloons about setting up some tests on the iso tracker and opening it up to the community as well for weekly testing.  He wanted me to confirm that the team handling nexus7 images was ok with with that.
Feb 18 15:27:19 <ogra_> we are ok with any kind of testing
Feb 18 15:27:19 <plars> ogra_:  Regardless of whether the iso tracker exists or not, I'll try to drag some people into doing a weekly test this wednesday.  Do you think the install issue will be fixed by then?
Feb 18 15:27:38 <ogra_> plars, we nailed it down to whoopsie
Feb 18 15:27:48 <ogra_> even though it isnt clear why it happens yet
Feb 18 15:27:59 <ogra_> but it makes dbus and consolekit misbehave
Feb 18 15:28:47 <plars> ogra_: ok, balloons and I are both in US holiday today, but I'll talk to him more tomorrow
Feb 18 15:30:01 <ogra_> yeah, no hurry
Feb 18 16:36:37 <TheMuso> c
Feb 18 16:40:28 <ogra-nx7> yay
Feb 18 16:40:43 * ogra-nx7 waves to xnox
Feb 18 16:40:57 <xnox> ogra-nx7: hola =)
Feb 18 16:45:19 <Laney> that's with the override?
Feb 18 16:45:37 <ogra_> that was with the override, yeah
Feb 18 16:46:03 <ogra_> just had installed the usual minimal bits i need to actually use the nx7 ...
Feb 18 16:46:10 <Laney> so the commits I reverted give me an X
Feb 18 16:46:20 <ogra_> like the grab-n-drag extension for firefox which is unusable without it
Feb 18 16:46:34 <ogra_> an X ?
Feb 18 16:46:44 <Laney> X starts
Feb 18 16:46:45 <ogra_> you mean a crosshair cursor ?
Feb 18 16:46:46 <Laney> i.e. it works
Feb 18 16:46:46 <ogra_> ah
Feb 18 16:46:49 <ogra_> yeah
Feb 18 16:46:52 <Laney> the ones about libnm-glib
Feb 18 16:46:54 <ogra_> awesome
Feb 18 16:48:13 <ogra_> i really wonder why it doesnt hit us on the normal install
Feb 18 16:48:27 <ogra_> i.e. post install everything seems fine
Feb 18 16:49:38 <Laney> 525 522 549 543
Feb 18 16:50:36 <ogra_> the measurements of your perfect girlfriend ?
Feb 18 16:50:49 <ogra_> (or are they the commit numbers ?)
Feb 18 16:51:28 <Laney> those would be interesting measurements ;-)
Feb 18 16:51:32 <Laney> yeah, the latter
Feb 18 16:51:35 <xnox> ogra_: do we have a nexus7 bug number for this as I want to open a whopsie bug mentioning it.
Feb 18 16:51:43 <Laney> 522 is the interesting one
Feb 18 16:51:45 <ogra_> one sec
Feb 18 16:51:53 <xnox> I also hope whoopsie (do not start) will also help with bug bzr branch lp:~xnox/androidos/patform-system-core
Feb 18 16:52:02 <xnox> bug 1123798
Feb 18 16:52:02 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1123798 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-dm crashed with dbus.exceptions.DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit timed out" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1123798
Feb 18 16:52:05 <ogra_> Bug #1127051
Feb 18 16:52:06 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1127051 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Broken dbus/consolekit setup causes black screen instead of running oem-config" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1127051
Feb 18 16:52:12 <ogra_> merge them
Feb 18 16:52:15 <xnox> ok.
Feb 18 16:52:23 <ogra_> since thats not nx7 specific
Feb 18 16:55:29 <Laney> the previous code path a check for failure to get the system bus and warn
Feb 18 16:56:05 <Laney> s/path/path had/
Feb 18 16:56:48 <ogra_> ah, instead of looping forever
Feb 18 16:58:44 <xnox> Laney: which commits? in whoopsie?
Feb 18 16:59:08 <Laney> yeah
Feb 18 16:59:24 <Laney> that's not an exhaustive list, and there were some conflicts
Feb 18 17:01:07 <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1677775/ is what I used to test
Feb 18 17:02:00 <ogra_> hmm is that the whole valgrind stuff ?
Feb 18 17:02:08 <xnox> yeah.
Feb 18 17:02:34 <xnox> and switch from using dbus to using a g-i binding-library that uses dbus underneath (autogenerated dbus library)
Feb 18 17:03:18 <xnox> and while firefox is building we will get nothing...
Feb 18 17:03:38 * xnox off to have a very late lunch.
Feb 18 17:03:58 <ogra_> oh
Feb 18 17:04:00 <ogra_> yeah
Feb 18 17:04:13 * ogra_ goes for a *very* late breakfast :P
Feb 18 17:05:21 <Laney> hmm
Feb 18 17:05:28 <Laney> http://ostree.gnome.org/work/src/NetworkManager/examples/C/glib/get-ap-info-libnm-glib.c
Feb 18 19:06:10 <Snark> http://www.ubuntu.com/  <-- nice countdown, but I assume that says when it's becoming public, not when it's available ;-)
Feb 18 19:07:17 <Tassadar> whoa Oo
Feb 18 19:07:41 <Tassadar> Canonical sure likes countdowns)
Feb 18 19:08:05 <drizzy> i already has ubuntu on my tablet
Feb 18 19:08:13 <drizzy> must be a stable release
Feb 18 19:08:20 <drizzy> d=)
Feb 18 19:08:21 <Tassadar> yeah, that's my guess too
Feb 18 19:08:31 <drizzy> i hate unity desktop
Feb 18 19:08:34 <drizzy> i super hate it
Feb 18 19:24:08 <wookey> heh, whole stack of stuff just unbunged. check->libxau->libxcb->libx11->freetype->fontconfig, which fell over on build-deps
Feb 18 19:26:47 <wookey> the  direct B-D on binutils issue
Feb 18 21:37:50 <jacaru> hey alla
Feb 18 21:39:06 <jacaru> anybody in the know, chromium for armhf has not been compiling from some time. Latest version available for 386 is 24 for a while now, but armhf is still 22
Feb 18 21:39:25 <infinity> It's known.
Feb 18 21:41:15 <jacaru> It's just pending some king of work time or is there stopper?
Feb 18 21:41:20 <jacaru> kind*
Feb 18 21:43:01 <jacaru> I mean if I were to download sources and do myself, would it be possible barring my own stupidity? :P
Feb 18 21:43:06 <infinity> It's pending someone fiding the time to fix it.
Feb 18 21:44:13 <jacaru> okie, thnx. also thinking on just downloading the debian package and see how that would work out
Feb 18 21:49:48 <jacaru> another q. Any reading material for enabling opengl-es compiz/unity in raring? Or not possible yet?
Feb 18 21:50:57 <infinity> It's entirely up to if your platform has working 3D drivers.
Feb 18 21:52:03 <jacaru> it does and they work with glmark2-es2. But I can only bring up gnome classic. So I am missing something if it should be automatic.
Feb 18 22:08:25 <wookey> fontconfig built. libxrender and libxext should get me to cairo
Feb 18 22:58:06 <isaias> ogra_: it works. took me like 5 different installs and several reboots. lol.im on it right now
Feb 18 22:58:33 <ogra_> well, we have fixed the issue, i'm just testing the latest daily
Feb 18 23:01:02 <ogra_> yay, and it works
Feb 18 23:01:04 <isaias> cool.
Feb 18 23:01:28 * ogra_ will copy over to the last-good-image dir
Feb 18 23:02:30 <ogra_> xnox, the crashing of compiz seems to be caused by onboard
Feb 18 23:02:32 <isaias> its a little slow and choppy, is it normally like this? i dont mind it, i know its still in  development
Feb 18 23:02:55 <ogra_> hmm, it shouldnt be slow or choppy no
Feb 18 23:02:57 <xnox> ogra_: interesting.
Feb 18 23:03:56 * ogra_ reboots
Feb 18 23:05:55 <ogra_> xnox, hmm, no, red herring, it crashes reliably when i focus the wifi key input field
Feb 18 23:06:07 <ogra_> even if onboard is already up
Feb 18 23:06:44 <ogra_> i guess what we want is something like a respawn function though
Feb 18 23:10:02 <ogra_> xnox, aha, and the wallpaper misbehavior only happens if compiz is gone
Feb 18 23:10:46 <wookey> hmm, and libxt and pixman and lzo2.
Feb 18 23:12:51 <wookey> bloody hell, uploading cairo.
Feb 19 01:09:03 <xnox> I saw a df: cannot read partition table warning from the installer.
Feb 19 01:11:20 <ogra_> are you sure it said partition table ?
Feb 19 01:11:34 <ogra_> else it woould be update-initramfs
Feb 19 01:11:37 <xnox> hmm.. will have camera ready next time.
Feb 19 01:11:44 <xnox> yeap it was after update-initramfs
Feb 19 01:11:58 <xnox> ogra_: ctrl+alt+t gives one a gnome-terminal as root in oem-config =)
Feb 19 01:12:00 <ogra_> right, thats fine
Feb 19 01:12:10 <xnox> cute, ain't it =)
Feb 19 01:12:35 <xnox> regression of bug 594233
Feb 19 01:12:35 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 594233 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Pressing ctrl-alt-T gets you a root terminal in oem-config" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/594233
Feb 19 01:12:41 <ogra_> update initramfs tris to compare the output of df with fstab
Feb 19 01:12:53 <ogra_> which we dont have at that time
Feb 19 01:13:04 <ogra_> i guess it should shuffle something
Feb 19 01:13:28 <ogra_> hmm, i though we had fixed that terminal thing a few releases ago
Feb 19 01:13:44 <ogra_> probably just for the only-ubiquity mode
Feb 19 01:13:58 <xnox> yes, and then metacity transitioned from gconf to gsettings and we didn't get the memo
Feb 19 01:14:09 <ogra_> heh, yeah
Feb 19 01:14:12 <xnox> and continued to set gconf key that doesn't exist any more =)
Feb 19 01:14:30 <infinity> I was going to suggest it was because you switched to compiz.
Feb 19 01:14:34 <ogra_> hmm, when did metacity transition ?
Feb 19 01:14:34 <infinity> But yes, same explanation, really.
Feb 19 01:15:02 <xnox> thankfully (or maybe not?!) gnome-settings-daemon handles media keys shortcuts these days.
Feb 19 01:15:28 <ogra_> i still see a metacity gconf key here
Feb 19 01:15:56 <ogra_> oh
Feb 19 01:16:04 <ogra_> not associated to a schema
Feb 19 01:16:16 <ogra_> now i wonder how it got there
Feb 19 01:16:26 * xnox sees no metacity gconf on my normal desktop....
Feb 19 01:16:54 <ogra_> metacity/general/compsitor_effects
Feb 19 01:17:01 <ogra_> in apps/
Feb 19 01:17:05 <ogra_> weird
Feb 19 01:17:21 <xnox> well ubiquity used to set that key.....
Feb 19 01:18:08 * xnox ponders gconf-service now provides a gconf api over dbus as a service going to the same store?
Feb 19 01:18:27 <xnox> ogra_: cause in d-conf editor you will find org.gnome.metacity with more properties.
Feb 19 01:18:32 <xnox> (some are under wm now)
Feb 19 01:19:05 <ogra_> well, ubiquity never ran on my chromebook ... i might have set it manually once
Feb 19 01:19:36 <xnox> hmmmm....
Feb 19 01:19:38 <ogra_> clicking "set to default" and restarting gconf-editor makes it vanish completely
Feb 19 01:19:46 <xnox> did you migrate your home directory?
Feb 19 01:19:55 <xnox> as gconf xml is written into home-dir.
Feb 19 01:19:55 <ogra_> so i guess it was a local leftover
Feb 19 01:20:22 <ogra_> yeah
Feb 19 01:21:22 <ogra_> infinity, do you know if nusakan -> cdimage sync happens automatically or if it needs a cdimage piblisher run
Feb 19 01:21:53 <infinity> ogra_: It happens when images are published, or when someone syncs manually, why?
Feb 19 01:22:32 <ogra_> i manually copied http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/ in place and was waiting for the new content to show up
Feb 19 01:23:08 <infinity> Yeah, that would need a sync.  Doing so no.
Feb 19 01:23:09 <infinity> w
Feb 19 01:23:13 <ogra_> thx
Feb 19 01:23:33 <ogra_> wasnt urgent, i just want to keep a known working image around
Feb 19 01:23:44 <infinity> Doing awful things to break the world?
Feb 19 01:24:13 <ogra_> well, we had three broken images and the desktop sprint started today
Feb 19 01:24:32 <ogra_> nobody noticed they were broken
Feb 19 01:25:12 <ogra_> the kernel team pinged me friday evening about the image booting to a black screen after plymouth ... fun place to debug
Feb 19 01:26:26 <infinity> ogra_: Should be synced now.
Feb 19 01:26:46 <ogra_> yep, looks fine
Feb 19 01:30:14 <ogra_> infinity, hmm, no, its not fine, i missed .htaccess
Feb 19 01:30:43 <ogra_> copied now
Feb 19 01:31:31 <ogra_> oh, its just calling sync-mirrors as cdimage user ?
Feb 19 01:31:35 <ogra_> i can do that myself
Feb 19 01:31:57 <ogra_> yeah
Feb 19 01:32:07 <ogra_> now it looks fine
Feb 19 01:37:33 <xnox> also i have been studying mkfs.ext4 and one can reduce number of superblocks and allocate them lazily
Feb 19 01:37:42 * xnox ponders if it will bring down the size of the fs.
Feb 19 01:37:53 <xnox> but it's for my todo someday analysis =)
Feb 19 01:45:46 <xnox> ogra_: do we mount recovery partition? is there space for any additional files in the abootimg? can I instruct to reboot into fastboot mode from user-space (booted into ubuntu)?
Feb 19 01:46:16 <ogra_> geez, a book of questions in one line
Feb 19 01:46:43 <ogra_> no, we dont mount recovery
Feb 19 01:47:07 * xnox ponders to preseed wifi password in kernel command line option & if there is a way to reboot into fastboot mode - then we have a full automation for nexus7.
Feb 19 01:47:13 <ogra_> abootimg only manages kernel and initrd, if you want to add something use the initrd
Feb 19 01:47:41 <xnox> if I include a preseed file in the initrd or ubuntu-nexus7-defaults package....
Feb 19 01:47:59 <ogra_> and i dont thinnk you can reboot into fastboot easily with our "reboot"
Feb 19 01:48:10 <xnox> hmm...
Feb 19 01:48:30 <ogra_> androids is patched for "reboot bootloader" afaik
Feb 19 01:48:37 <xnox> but how does android does it?
Feb 19 01:48:40 <ogra_> which also needs special kernel options
Feb 19 01:48:49 <ogra_> (which we should have though)
Feb 19 01:48:52 <xnox> surely it's a kernel/firmware interface or like nvram option
Feb 19 01:49:04 <xnox> or something =))))
Feb 19 01:49:09 <ogra_> well, kernel/bootloader i think
Feb 19 01:49:30 <xnox> can I change kernel params after I flashed ?
Feb 19 01:49:48 * xnox changed /etc/defaults/flash-kernel and then did update-initramfs -u and nothing changed.
Feb 19 01:50:01 <ogra_> yeah, not implemented for abootimg yet
Feb 19 01:50:07 <ogra_> you can just use abootimg
Feb 19 01:50:19 <ogra_> directly on /dev/mmcblk0p2
Feb 19 01:50:26 <xnox> awesome =)
Feb 19 01:51:04 <ogra_> make sure to not pull from /proc/cmdline ... the bootloader prefixes the cmdline with a ton of options
Feb 19 01:51:19 <ogra_> always use abotimg -i output as your base
Feb 19 01:51:45 <ogra_> in case you script anything or so
Feb 19 01:52:02 <xnox> now the poluted cmdline makes sense
Feb 19 01:52:19 <xnox> (ubiquity parses the cmdline and I was at first confused as usually it's much shorter)
Feb 19 01:52:28 <ogra_> its quite ugly :(
Feb 19 01:52:37 <ogra_> especially console=none
Feb 19 01:56:39 <ogra_> https://plus.google.com/107109423598372241322/posts/ehYKNcMP25u
Feb 19 01:56:48 <ogra_> heh, google knows everything
Feb 19 01:59:32 <xnox> yeah, I giggled over that one as well =)
Feb 19 02:08:51 <isaias> can i install flash on this?
Feb 19 02:17:17 <isaias> if its possible, lol
Feb 19 02:34:54 <xnox> isaias: yes - the free once, will they work - not really. adobe used to ship flash in play store but doesn't any more. there are some flash available e.g. for tegra 3 but only as preview for OEM builders with an NDA against nvidia.
Feb 19 02:47:28 <isaias> xnox: what about youtube?
Feb 19 02:47:58 <scientes> xnox, there is alto the TI flash
Feb 19 02:48:06 <scientes> for arm
Feb 19 02:48:22 <scientes> isaias, you can play youtube without flash using --enable-gstreamer to firefox
Feb 19 02:48:29 <scientes> which ubuntu _should_ be doing, but is not
Feb 19 02:48:45 <infinity> You can play youtube without flash regardless.
Feb 19 02:48:57 <scientes> infinity, not true, not all youtube is available in vp8
Feb 19 02:49:02 <scientes> some is h264 only
Feb 19 02:50:08 <xnox> if there are ads, you must have flash.
Feb 19 02:50:14 <scientes> that as well
Feb 19 02:50:22 <scientes> but only certain ads
Feb 19 02:51:13 <xnox> e.g. the music videos that are currently enjoying their 15minutes of fame all need flash.
Feb 19 02:51:42 <infinity> Unless you go to the mobile site and spoof an iOS user agent...
Feb 19 02:51:52 <xnox> \0/
Feb 19 02:51:58 <xnox> i should so do that.
Feb 19 02:52:55 <scientes> and then some videos are "not available for mobile"
Feb 19 02:53:21 <isaias> no way to get flash games, right? lol
Feb 19 02:53:28 <infinity> Yeah, though that's happening less and less, with mobile becoming the more common consumption device.
Feb 19 02:53:37 <infinity> isaias: Flash games are a lost cause.
Feb 19 02:54:34 <isaias> i know :P html5 is taking over flash, right?
Feb 19 02:54:56 <isaias> or something lake that
Feb 19 02:59:45 <wookey> less than half of youtube works without flash
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