**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 20 02:59:58 2013 Feb 20 05:46:43 You guys aware of the Horrible english on the Nexus 7 install instruction page? Feb 20 05:47:12 "You will be connect the device to your WiFi network " Feb 20 05:58:35 oye, theres a lot of new information in there since I was last maintaining it. Feb 20 06:00:09 Which really there isnt any point in installing, Correct? Feb 20 06:00:25 Doesnt Ubuntu for Tablets launch Thursday? Feb 20 06:00:36 making These desktop-style builds obsolete? Feb 20 06:08:43 Meh, Completely up to you if you want to install or not. Feb 20 06:09:09 I do believe that the Ubuntu for Tablets launch is soon! Not sure about the exact ETA. Feb 20 06:09:32 It's Thursday Feb 20 06:09:36 regardless, I fixed that first paragraph. Feb 20 06:09:55 According to 4 different news sources, Ubuntu Phone and ubuntu tablet launch Thursday Feb 20 06:10:30 Can you share a bit of information about it with me? assuming you know about it? lol Feb 20 06:10:52 is there any bugs for Nexus 7 wifi saying device not ready? Feb 20 06:11:14 i just installed Ubuntu for Nexus 7, No wifi problems here Feb 20 06:11:40 RDash-BNC: during install? Feb 20 06:11:46 after installed Feb 20 06:11:49 only problem so far is screen rotation and OTG Device support seems to have disappeared Feb 20 06:12:06 dmesg says CFG8011-ERROR) wl_cfg80211_hang : In : chip crash eventing Feb 20 06:12:41 and dhd_preinit_ioctls: can't get MAC address , error=-5 Feb 20 06:12:43 RDash-BNC: dahh, i'm not really sure. I've been out of rotation for at least 3 months with the N7 doing other things. Your best bet is to check the existing bugs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7 .. If you don't see anything, file one Feb 20 06:13:08 Also, not really a bug, more of a missing feature, the Ubuntu Software Center seems to have no search bar Feb 20 06:13:19 does build-essential override anything important for wifi? Feb 20 06:13:25 i just happened to be "strolling by" #ubuntu-arm and saw Sailormoons initial blurb about the wiki Feb 20 06:14:18 I have to say, you guys are very quick with development Feb 20 06:14:26 wasnt just two months ago the Nexus 7 builds were garbage Feb 20 06:14:31 Now i could actually see myself using this Feb 20 06:14:48 true Feb 20 06:15:02 other than the random framebuffer problems when rebooting Feb 20 06:15:05 Ubuntu for Tablets launching Thursday Feb 20 06:15:11 it is? Feb 20 06:15:16 Supposidly, yes Feb 20 06:15:48 http://www.itpro.co.uk/tablets/19236/ubuntu-tablet-os-will-make-its-debut-nexus-7-21-february Feb 20 06:16:34 heh Feb 20 06:16:46 I wonder if they hammered out the very major bugs Feb 20 06:16:51 I wonder as well Feb 20 06:16:59 screen rotation has me in fear of todays build Feb 20 06:17:10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1068994 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1070283 are very annoying Feb 20 06:17:12 Ubuntu bug 1068994 in ubuntu-nexus7 "button1 gets stuck after a while" [Critical,Confirmed] Feb 20 06:17:13 Ubuntu bug 1070283 in ubuntu-nexus7 "after reboot, framebuffer of previous boot appears on screen" [High,Confirmed] Feb 20 06:17:24 I know they are still patching it but still annoying Feb 20 06:17:35 well, it wont be a stable build lol Feb 20 06:17:36 is the button1 problem still around? Feb 20 06:17:42 * sfeole looks at the bug Feb 20 06:18:04 "button1"? Feb 20 06:18:13 left mouse button Feb 20 06:18:22 or a single finger tap Feb 20 06:18:23 SailorMoon: the first bug listed above Feb 20 06:18:35 ohhh Feb 20 06:18:42 darn lol Feb 20 06:18:46 that will make it unusable Feb 20 06:18:54 and is there a way to install a compiler w/o bricking the wifi drivers? Feb 20 06:18:54 yeap Feb 20 06:19:16 RDash-BNC: i thought there was a convo about that RDash-BNC a few months / weeks ago here Feb 20 06:19:25 let me check scrollback Feb 20 06:19:40 going to reflash since it's all bricked Feb 20 06:20:08 maybe dropbear or build-essential did it Feb 20 06:20:20 Will Ubuntu Mobile make use of /system? or is my old android install just going to sleep there lol Feb 20 06:22:07 No way to mount ubuntu over USB? =/ Feb 20 06:23:26 and I just screwed up my initrd Feb 20 06:23:33 I think that explains why my wifi broke Feb 20 06:30:45 My ubuntu just did the button1 thing =/ Feb 20 06:30:57 just tap slowly Feb 20 06:45:11 Hey, can someone help be get started on Installing Ubuntu for my Nexus 4? Feb 20 06:46:00 Anonymous905: did you mean Nexus 7? Feb 20 06:46:37 Well actually I have a Nexus 10, but I'm curious how I can go about installing Ubuntu on platforms other than PC Feb 20 06:47:03 Right now, I think Nexus 7 is the only tablet running a kinda working Ubuntu Feb 20 06:50:40 what does my display manager log have other than my hostname? Feb 20 06:53:19 In that case, how do I get a Nexus 7 to run Ubuntu? Feb 20 06:55:25 The wiki has the instructions for it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation Feb 20 06:55:42 Just remeber it's just the desktop and it's quite buggy Feb 20 07:09:19 hello Feb 20 07:09:40 have any of you got ubuntu for android working as a desktop? Feb 20 07:10:25 it looks like i need an mhl adapter with the cradle, and a bluetooth keyboard. is that right? Feb 20 07:15:17 ashes: you can use your finger for all the input Feb 20 07:17:03 doesn't ubuntu run from a chroot? Feb 20 07:17:19 uh Feb 20 07:18:16 i'm not talking about running ubuntu in the android display. i'm talking about having it displayed to an hdmi monitor. i would prefer a keyboard for that Feb 20 07:30:57 good morning Feb 20 09:44:31 xnox, what would adb gauin us over the serial console, usbnet and an optional sshd that we already ship ? Feb 20 09:45:28 * ogra_ realy isnt fond of including any android stuff Feb 20 09:45:36 true. Feb 20 09:45:48 i'll just rip apart adbd to gain reboot bootloader. Feb 20 09:45:52 especialy if it just duplicates standard linux tools we have already Feb 20 09:46:02 oh, ok Feb 20 09:46:06 why not, it's so trendy :) Feb 20 09:46:25 well, we can surely mimic the userspace bit of reboot bootloader ... but will also need the kernel support Feb 20 09:46:32 I have ubuntu 12.10 on my host machine. Is it possible to install arm-none-eabi- tool chain by apt-get install ... ? Feb 20 09:46:58 what would arm-none-eabi be ? that sounds ancient Feb 20 09:48:08 I have a arm926ej-s cpu, I guess arm-linux-gnueabi- does not support it Feb 20 09:48:33 that should support v5 Feb 20 09:49:33 do I need to download arm-linux-gnueabi- then compile it for arch=armv5te ? Feb 20 09:49:49 or do I need to have arm-none-eabi- Feb 20 09:49:52 ogra_: well the linux patches were supposedly upstreamed. https://lwn.net/Articles/504721/ Feb 20 09:50:04 unless that's intel only and not android. Feb 20 09:50:54 well, then we would be able to just ship a hacked reboot binary Feb 20 09:51:11 angs, it should default to that, shouldne need arch= Feb 20 09:51:16 *shouldnt Feb 20 10:26:06 hehe, i guess linus had hard time remembering children's birthdays hence using them as magic numbers for reboot syscall made sure he can look them up on any machine ;-) Feb 20 10:27:08 heh Feb 20 10:43:08 so the reboot syscall in ubuntu-nexus7 kernel does copy across the restart command... i'm stopping to dig further into arch specific implementations. but it's no different from the android kernel. Feb 20 10:45:38 prpplague: hi, early bird Feb 20 11:00:53 xnox, well, it is the android kernel, just a different config Feb 20 11:01:43 which reminds me ... Feb 20 11:02:02 * ogra_ upgrades his n7 to yesterdays kernel Feb 20 11:12:47 ogra_: right but stock android doesn't have much of an init system hence their reboot utility remounts the rootfs ro before doing reboot into firmware. Feb 20 11:13:35 hmm, we could do that in a "startr on stopping filesystem" job or so Feb 20 11:13:56 ogra_: and our reboot is naturally is handled by upstart which has it's own shutdown utility. I can see how I can force `reboot -f bootloader` but i'm not sure how to correctly hook into the whole sysvinit mechanics. Feb 20 11:14:05 otherwise the next boot will not be clean. Feb 20 11:14:32 we could ship our own reboot-bootloader binary Feb 20 11:14:49 ogra_: no, one cannot use upstart job to accomplish that, since upstart is killed by sendsigs and then later the filesystem is unmounted and finally we reboot with sysvinit I believe. Feb 20 11:14:59 that gets called instead of upstarts reboot in the case where you call it with the bootloader arg Feb 20 11:15:17 ogra_: i'll do / try a quick dirty force one and then will work with jodh on the proper one which does it correctly. Feb 20 11:15:30 k Feb 20 11:15:48 we will needed for UEFI fastboot anyway, since we will need an option to "reboot into firmware" and we have designs from mpt for the reboot dialog as well on the desktop. Feb 20 11:16:25 ugh, we want to expose that to the user ? Feb 20 11:20:58 ogra_: for UEFI fastboot we must. As UEFI fastboot means there is no physical way to interrupt the boot process. Feb 20 11:21:33 (no usb, no keyboard, no networking, straight from poweron to boot the default configured OS as fast as it can) Feb 20 11:21:45 well, i would consider that an admin task, not an enduser task ... and keep it as cmdline option Feb 20 11:23:12 and to get back to e.g. grub or like recovery-mode one needs to be able to get there somehow. Feb 20 11:23:28 hmm Feb 20 11:23:42 well we will need a cmdline option to begin with =) to be able to actually do it ;-) Feb 20 11:28:43 yeah Feb 20 12:13:51 ~gibber 6 Feb 20 12:13:58 ~gibberish 6 Feb 20 12:14:16 oh sorry, please excuse me, wrong channel Feb 20 15:31:28 ogra_: I totally made upstart's: reboot -f bootloader Feb 20 15:31:33 boot back into fastboot mode ;-) Feb 20 15:32:18 lol Feb 20 15:32:22 how evil :) Feb 20 15:33:00 Now all you need to do is extend the system indicator to offer that option on the nexus 7. :p Feb 20 15:33:08 hahaha Feb 20 15:37:29 Hey, can i ask question about Ubuntu Mobile? Something is said in an official video Feb 20 15:38:17 This image pretty much sums up my question http://i.imgur.com/AaRFzN7.png Feb 20 15:38:37 He mentions running Windows apps, showing a tablet. Feb 20 15:38:41 Is this an x86 example? Feb 20 15:38:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_client Feb 20 15:39:00 it is not running on the tablet Feb 20 15:39:02 SailorMoon: if you listen to the video it is via thin client Feb 20 15:39:24 Well i didnt know what a thin client was Feb 20 15:39:36 I think we use those at work to process Orders Feb 20 15:39:38 lol Feb 20 15:39:41 Thanks for the info Feb 20 15:39:44 SailorMoon: it runs on a windows machine elsewhere and you just access it via the thin client Feb 20 15:40:10 Lol gotcha, useless feature Feb 20 15:40:17 it may have been unfortunate to show that in the video, I've seen many people just assuming it runs windows apps :/ Feb 20 15:40:27 i didnt think it did Feb 20 15:40:47 was wondering how that was done lol Feb 20 15:41:19 We get flashable builds tomorrow, right? Feb 20 15:43:59 May i ask the stupidest question ever? Feb 20 15:44:11 Java Runtime Environment? Feb 20 15:44:46 Also, The builds of Ubuntu 13.04 for the Nexus 7 no longer support OTG Keyboards, will this mobile version? Feb 20 15:46:50 openjdk should be available as usual, and I don't think Ubunut doesn't support OTG on nexus 7 Oo Feb 20 15:47:14 The old 12 builds supported Mouse and Keyboard over OTG Feb 20 15:47:21 But the new Dailies don't Feb 20 15:48:00 I'm gonna try that Feb 20 15:48:39 thanks~ Feb 20 15:49:04 id also like to recommend You guys create a channel for Ubuntu Mobile Feb 20 15:49:18 Because this feels more like a Dev channel than a social/support channel Feb 20 15:49:20 Unless i'm wrong Feb 20 15:49:49 it works okay Feb 20 15:49:56 Last nights build didnt Feb 20 15:50:03 i installed it last night and used my OTG cable and it didnt work Feb 20 15:50:26 Unless my spare keyboard kicked the bucket (it IS cracked in half, but still worked as of a few days ago), ill test it on my desktop Feb 20 15:50:50 yeah it works fine Feb 20 15:51:12 didnt work on yesterdays 13.04 daily for the Nexus 7 Feb 20 15:52:11 kernel was updated, maybe they changed something, gimme a while to update Feb 20 15:52:34 Thanks again. my OTG cable and keyboard are working fine on Android Feb 20 15:52:37 So it isnt my hardware Feb 20 15:57:22 I hope this doesnt delay the launch Feb 20 15:57:36 i guess it wont :P Feb 20 15:58:14 I'm excited to replace android with something useful, is all Feb 20 15:59:22 SailorMoon, that demos the rdp client if you use the tablet in thin client mode Feb 20 15:59:37 ah, davmor2 already answered Feb 20 15:59:51 * ogra_ should read the full becklog before answering :) Feb 20 16:00:04 lol Feb 20 16:00:07 Thanks anyway, ogra_ Feb 20 16:00:48 So, are the ARM guys ready to get popular? Feb 20 16:00:51 ogra_: pleasure :) Feb 20 16:00:58 lol Feb 20 16:01:28 how well does everything work on Ubuntu Mobile in comparison to the Dailies we're getting for the Nexus 7? Feb 20 16:01:54 Screen rotation issues, "sleep" issues, and button1 issues plague it Feb 20 16:03:23 SailorMoon, i am already popular :P Feb 20 16:03:27 ask my GF Feb 20 16:04:05 what was Ubuntu ARM doing before this? Feb 20 16:04:22 ogra_: I asked her the air went blue, what have you done to that poor woman ;) Feb 20 16:05:57 haha Feb 20 16:06:29 SailorMoon, building the archive, making images for developer boards (and occasionally for an enduser devcie like the ac100 or now the nexus7) Feb 20 16:06:46 the arm port is around since 2009 Feb 20 16:06:56 SailorMoon: OTG works okay Feb 20 16:07:06 Why didnt it work for me last night then Tassadar =/ Feb 20 16:07:20 you have to connect keyboard to OTG reduction and then the OTG cable to tablet Feb 20 16:07:31 i did that Feb 20 16:07:36 well, it works for me Feb 20 16:07:53 Ill take your word for it, then :P Feb 20 16:08:01 maybe not in the installation dialog but even then, it should work as expected Feb 20 16:08:34 it didnt owrk then and it didnt work when i was trying to type Terminal into the app search thingy on Unity Feb 20 16:08:53 But to be fair, durring my attempt to search for apps in unity, i couldnt get the virtual keyboard to pop up either Feb 20 16:09:08 and got several system errors Feb 20 16:09:36 :P Feb 20 16:09:47 Will the Ubuntu for Tablets be just a sexier titanic? Feb 20 16:11:12 will the aliens arrive tomorrow? Feb 20 16:11:16 we'll see Feb 20 16:12:50 Tassadar: we are here now but shhhh don't tell everyone ;) Feb 20 16:13:04 i _knew_ it! Feb 20 16:17:28 Okay now for the stupidest question Feb 20 16:17:41 Nexus 7 wont run Minecraft right? Feb 20 16:17:52 For 3D Acceleration reasons, not to mention the slow ARM processor? Feb 20 16:18:39 also on Ubuntu Mobile, what happens if install LXDE, or KDE, Etc? (Hey, someone has to ask the dumb questions) Feb 20 16:19:22 SailorMoon, get an old toshiba ac100 netbook ... we provide lubuntu images for it :) Feb 20 16:19:38 everything works, KDE, lxde ... xfce ... Feb 20 16:19:41 Thats totally diferent Feb 20 16:19:47 I know it would work on the Dailies for Nexus 7 Feb 20 16:19:55 right Feb 20 16:19:56 i mean the actual Mobile ubuntu, with the side swipe, etc Feb 20 16:20:30 well, no idea, i havent seen the code yet (and if i had i wouldnt talk about it before it is publically released) Feb 20 16:20:36 What kind of Memory usage am i going to see just from the system with nothing installed? Feb 20 16:20:41 ahh Feb 20 16:20:54 it releases tomorrow though, i've been told by magical unicorn sources Feb 20 16:20:58 should be similar or lower than the current nexus7 image Feb 20 16:21:22 where we are right below 400M for an idling desktop Feb 20 16:21:36 So more then Android Feb 20 16:21:40 To be expected, i guess Feb 20 16:21:46 The difference between a real OS ;P Feb 20 16:21:53 nope, to be cut down :) Feb 20 16:22:23 if we are done with the cut down work (which is still going on) i would put my bets on 256M for the idling desktop Feb 20 16:22:36 and note that i'm talking about the actual desktop here Feb 20 16:22:48 the tablet studff might then even eat less Feb 20 16:23:00 (once we have it fully integrated) Feb 20 16:24:26 the current work we do in ubuntu arm brings benefits for all desktops no matter what arch is below ... raring x86 desktop should already be a *lot* smaller and faster than 12.10 was Feb 20 16:24:40 huh Feb 20 16:24:55 Android wit honly a few things running is using 418MB of ram on my Nexus 7 Feb 20 16:25:33 Difference being Android kills off Processes when memory gets tight, ubuntu can't do that, right? Feb 20 16:25:39 ubuntu should use /system as swap Feb 20 16:25:56 ubuntu can do that as well indeed Feb 20 16:26:02 it just doesnt Feb 20 16:26:20 if ubuntu used /system as swap, it wouldnt need to Feb 20 16:26:23 we use compressed swap in ram Feb 20 16:26:33 to not wear out the MMC Feb 20 16:26:36 but what are you guys doing with /system ? Feb 20 16:26:57 nothing atm (in the nexus7 image, cant talk about the tablet one yet) Feb 20 16:27:10 My recommendation: Put a recovery image in there Feb 20 16:27:24 (not because i'm not allowed, i was simply to busy to take a look yet) Feb 20 16:27:39 in case people break their ubuntu, they could recover it with no struggle Feb 20 16:28:00 the /system partition is like 700MB or something on the Nexus 7 Feb 20 16:29:07 would also be good for OTA updates to store the update to make writing to /userdata safer Feb 20 16:29:12 Anyway, ill shutup now lol Feb 20 16:29:16 we dont touch /system in the current ubuntu image Feb 20 16:29:22 i know Feb 20 16:29:25 ubuntu lives in userdata Feb 20 16:29:29 you should take advantage of everything your offered Feb 20 16:29:45 if i would the image would wipe the device and use one big partition Feb 20 16:29:56 lol Feb 20 16:30:00 that would like, ruin Android Feb 20 16:30:10 who cares Feb 20 16:30:13 no going back lol Feb 20 16:30:20 I care) Feb 20 16:30:22 sure going back is always possible Feb 20 16:30:40 i honestly wouldnt mind it if there was a no-fail way of undoing it Feb 20 16:31:13 There's going to be people who install it and say "well, this isnt for me" Feb 20 16:31:25 and ? Feb 20 16:31:31 they can jusr reßflash android then Feb 20 16:31:37 i know :P Feb 20 16:31:47 but if you destroyed the partitions, that might be a bit harder Feb 20 16:31:49 lol Feb 20 16:31:51 its not like we trash the device Feb 20 16:32:10 nah, you can always flash from fastboot and restore it Feb 20 16:32:32 the tablet image will likely completely take over everything Feb 20 16:32:34 I just realized what should be done with /system Feb 20 16:32:38 repartitioning is not an option on nexus 7 anyway because of the bootloader, isn't it? Feb 20 16:32:58 Bootloader can be unlocked just by typing "unlock" Feb 20 16:32:58 *is it? Feb 20 16:33:00 Tassadar, depends, if nvflash works now, you can even replace the bootloader with it Feb 20 16:33:09 no, it doesn't Feb 20 16:33:15 it didnt work back when we started with the n7, else i would have picked that route Feb 20 16:33:31 you can on every other tegra Feb 20 16:33:34 n7's bootloader is encrypted Feb 20 16:33:43 and device-specific encrypted Feb 20 16:33:45 right, you need the key Feb 20 16:33:49 you guys need an android-style .zip package that installs like a rom, containing a Mini installer, with just wifi drivers, etc. To download the /userdata Feb 20 16:34:06 SailorMoon, i think thats what the tablet image does Feb 20 16:34:15 You'll get more users that way instead of the complex way its done with the Dailies Feb 20 16:34:24 using zips and replacing all of android with the ubuntu image Feb 20 16:34:44 SailorMoon, huh ? Feb 20 16:34:49 its currently done with fastboot, wich 90% of android users have no idea how to use Feb 20 16:34:56 whats complex there ? its a one click UI installer Feb 20 16:35:02 For ubuntu users* Feb 20 16:35:28 oh, well, i wouldnt ask my mom to use fastboot if there is a one click installer that runs fully automatic Feb 20 16:35:38 (which we offer since day one) Feb 20 16:35:41 Unless your mom was on Windows Feb 20 16:35:45 or Mac Feb 20 16:35:56 or A non-ubuntu distro Feb 20 16:36:00 well, *my* mom wouldnt be on either :) Feb 20 16:36:07 but i see what you mean, yeah Feb 20 16:36:10 Point is Feb 20 16:36:19 well, the tablet image works this way Feb 20 16:36:24 androidusers are experienced with .zip packages that can be installed via Recovery Feb 20 16:36:25 the nexus7 image never was for users Feb 20 16:36:46 yeah, a horrid way Feb 20 16:36:54 Horrid but familiar. Feb 20 16:37:06 still nothing a normal unexperienced user would do Feb 20 16:37:28 a normal unexperienced user doesnt even know what Linux is Feb 20 16:37:29 So Feb 20 16:37:31 :P Feb 20 16:37:35 right Feb 20 16:37:41 we need to define "normal" here) Feb 20 16:38:02 ive been flashing Roms for a long time, but this was the first time i Really used Fastboot other than to unlock Feb 20 16:38:05 but he would use the ubuntu tablet installer for windows ... with a one click UI :) Feb 20 16:38:05 Tassadar, your mom Feb 20 16:38:10 its a scary experience Feb 20 16:38:23 or worse (since wimen are usually better at tech stuff) your dad Feb 20 16:38:33 scary experience for first-timers* Feb 20 16:38:43 dude, I'm afraid to let that man to use computer Feb 20 16:38:53 SailorMoon, and using a zip wasnt when you did it the first time ? Feb 20 16:39:07 I guess your right Feb 20 16:39:11 Tassadar, then he is the perfect target user :) Feb 20 16:39:12 But like i said Feb 20 16:39:23 Every tech android user has flashed zip roms Feb 20 16:39:26 * ogra_ usues his mom as tester if he writes apps Feb 20 16:39:29 very few have done it with fastboot Feb 20 16:39:37 SailorMoon, it wont be "flashing" at all Feb 20 16:39:54 it will be "use the ubuntu installer for your OS" Feb 20 16:39:55 but if you take that as target user group, then they will wait for real ubuntu tablets - like preinstalled new models from OEMs, and they won't give a damn about hows it called Feb 20 16:40:04 yeah, indeed Feb 20 16:40:10 So there will be a Windows installer, then? Feb 20 16:40:17 i'm talking more about the early adopters Feb 20 16:40:25 SailorMoon, i woudl hope so Feb 20 16:40:38 else it wouldnt be ubuntu ;) Feb 20 16:40:46 the issue with windows are usually the drivers :/ Feb 20 16:41:01 yeah you'll need fastboot drivers Feb 20 16:41:10 well, i would assume people attaching their adnroid device to win already have a driver for it Feb 20 16:41:10 Windows doesnt install those itself Feb 20 16:41:27 which they used to put i.e. music on the device Feb 20 16:41:32 like i said earlier, not many have used fastboot, and thus not many will have the Fastboot driver Feb 20 16:41:37 adb/fastboot drivers are often not the same thing as "normal" drivers Feb 20 16:41:37 that driver is different, Ogra Feb 20 16:42:02 anyway, no need to speculate ... we'll see where we are by 14.04 Feb 20 16:42:03 infact on windows 8, i couldnt even install my fastboot driver Feb 20 16:42:09 which is the actual target date Feb 20 16:42:21 before "normal" users wont really use it anyway Feb 20 16:42:31 lol Feb 20 16:42:39 We totally will. it's too exciting to pass up ;P Feb 20 16:43:04 you arent a normal user Feb 20 16:43:15 Then why do i feel so Nooby. Feb 20 16:43:17 you are in an IRC developer channel dude ! Feb 20 16:43:24 lol Feb 20 16:43:27 normal users dont do that Feb 20 16:44:25 last night i did something stupid Feb 20 16:44:56 did a Clockwork backup of my Android and its data but instead of moving it to my PC i moved it to internal memory Feb 20 16:44:59 then i installed Ubuntu Feb 20 16:45:06 and was like "Q~Q" Feb 20 16:46:19 I managed to do something like that in a day or two after I got n7, wasn't really used to not having sdcard) Feb 20 16:46:19 oops Feb 20 16:46:34 pfft Feb 20 16:46:57 Is there anything like Wine, but Android? Feb 20 16:46:57 do ayou know how our binfmt handler for qemu-user-statinc works ? Feb 20 16:46:57 that's why titaniumbackup + backup on dropbox roxx Feb 20 16:47:15 it enables you to exec arm binaries on an x86 pc Feb 20 16:47:17 I play some Android Games id rather not give up Feb 20 16:47:25 I had QEmu on my Nexus 7 Feb 20 16:47:28 I wonder will ubuntuone ever get popular in android apps Feb 20 16:47:34 was running x86 linux on my Nexus 7 Feb 20 16:47:37 very poorly <3 Feb 20 16:47:59 i once wrongly unpacked a tarball with arm root filesystem while being in a custome phoe conf Feb 20 16:48:03 Ubuntu one is fail (NOT THE FACE D;) Feb 20 16:48:12 sadly i missed that i unpacked it to / Feb 20 16:48:41 and i didnt notice it at all, since my PC happily execudes arm binaries Feb 20 16:48:49 until the next reboot ... Feb 20 16:49:07 *customer phone conf Feb 20 16:49:13 i dont use Ubuntu on my desktop/laptop because of driver issues, hardware bugs, etc. But Ubuntu mobile, since its device specific, wont have any of these issues, right? Thats why im excited, anyway Feb 20 16:49:26 I would totally use Ubuntu if the learning curve was smaller Feb 20 16:49:28 lol Feb 20 16:49:37 thats a brave assumption Feb 20 16:49:59 i mean, i know it will be buggy but Feb 20 16:50:01 it will be focused Feb 20 16:50:03 does win8 have less bugs on phones than on the desktop ? Feb 20 16:50:52 lol i wouldnt know Feb 20 16:50:58 i dont even cal lthat shameful peice of trash Windows 8 Feb 20 16:51:03 Windows RT Feb 20 16:51:19 Runs only binaries signed by Microsoft Feb 20 16:51:29 well, be sure ubuntu on phones and tablets will have bugs as well Feb 20 16:51:37 i know Feb 20 16:51:41 as all software has them Feb 20 16:51:41 i didnt mean it like that Feb 20 16:51:55 and there could even be owrse ones than on the desktop Feb 20 16:52:01 *worse Feb 20 16:52:17 i mean any bugs ive had on my desktop due to my hardware wont occure the same way on the tablet because the same hardware was developed on Feb 20 16:52:21 usually bugs on such devices are way more fatal Feb 20 16:52:35 simply because you only have one single way of input Feb 20 16:53:23 i just spenbt a weekend trying to fix the installer ... having to do that from an initramfs prompt on y touch device is no fun Feb 20 16:54:07 Ubuntu Mobile will be less Likely to throw a Terminal in your face, is what i mean Feb 20 16:54:16 that X bug with touch input must be real pain in the ass too :/ Feb 20 16:54:23 sure, it will just get stuck instead Feb 20 16:54:24 yeah Feb 20 16:54:30 it happened to me twice last night, Tassadar Feb 20 16:54:35 made me switch back to Android Feb 20 16:54:49 Tassadar, it is, but not my area of expertise, so i'm wainitng for a fix to appear Feb 20 16:55:14 sadly not even upstream seems to have a clue Feb 20 16:55:31 The ubuntu desktop appears whe nyou connect a mouse and keyboard, the video revealed that, right? Feb 20 16:55:48 Will that occure when you connect just a mouse? just a keyboard? Feb 20 16:55:58 or requires both? Feb 20 16:56:03 or will there be some magical switch somewhere? Feb 20 16:56:40 i doubt thats in the demo yet Feb 20 16:57:33 but the theory is that at some point when its implemented, the device will detect a monitor and switch modes Feb 20 16:57:57 or a tablet dock for the phone ... or whatever Feb 20 16:59:32 all this is stuff that will be implemented on the road to 14.04, dont expect to much from the demo Feb 20 17:16:02 lol Feb 20 17:22:01 Okay not to be "That guy" Feb 20 17:22:05 But Feb 20 17:22:20 You guys are calling it a Q1 2014 release date Feb 20 17:22:24 isnt 14.04 Q2? Feb 20 17:22:58 do we ? Feb 20 17:23:03 Yes? Feb 20 17:23:07 where ? Feb 20 17:23:31 idk, 50 different news sites Feb 20 17:23:59 It's Q2 then, right? Feb 20 17:24:00 lol Feb 20 17:24:12 its april 2014 Feb 20 17:24:12 "Shuttleworth expects new Ubuntu-powered smartphones to start arriving in Q1 2014" Feb 20 17:24:35 whatever news sites say :) Feb 20 17:25:04 can i ask you something completely off topic? Feb 20 17:26:25 Stupid xbox Feb 20 17:26:31 Whenever i turn it on my wireless disconnects lol Feb 20 17:26:38 Anyway, what is "PowerPC"? Feb 20 17:27:17 processor architecture Feb 20 17:27:24 like x86 or ARM Feb 20 17:27:36 I know, but i would like to know about its performance and such compared to the others Feb 20 17:27:41 and why isnt it used very often Feb 20 17:27:58 I believe the Xbox 360 uses it, and some Macs use it, but thats all ive ever seen of it Feb 20 17:51:51 I need help getting my display resolution working properly... I have a pandaboard es, with ubuntu 12.04 and the ti-omap ppa installed... my monitor can do 1600x1200, but it defaults to 1024x768 and 1280x1024 is the only larger option in xrandr Feb 20 17:52:02 monitor is plugged in the hdmi port Feb 20 17:52:40 the strange thing is /var/log/Xorg.0.log mentions modelines for 1600x1200 Feb 20 17:53:19 maybe related, the screen flickers when I move the mouse Feb 20 17:54:17 calculus: Do you have a specific reason to use the Ti OMAP PPA? There is a display driver in Ubuntu 12.04 proper, pvr-omap4 I think is the package, and it works with Stock Ubuntu OMAP 4 kernels. Feb 20 17:55:07 TheMuso: I was hoping for opengl and video acceleration/libdce things Feb 20 17:56:34 TheMuso, calculus, while we ship the latest driver in the distro, TI always produced the codecs packages post release so they are only in the PPA ... what we have in the distro is only for GLES but not for accelerated video playback Feb 20 17:56:52 Oh right. Feb 20 17:57:07 calculus, if its a PPA probalem, try #pandaboard (though i'm not sure who is still working on it after TI killed OMAP) Feb 20 17:57:35 most of the devs that worked on panda stuff were laid off Feb 20 17:58:12 ogra_: I think it is dss related because /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay0/output_size is 1280,1024 and I can't seem to write new values to it (even with sudo) Feb 20 17:58:53 well, upstream for that stuff is in #pandaboard Feb 20 17:59:06 we only package and integrate it Feb 20 18:01:05 yay for being burnt by proprietary software once the vendor stops supporting the hardware. Feb 20 18:01:45 yeah, its not clear if we can go on building the desktop images once new Xorg hits the archive Feb 20 18:04:20 ogra_: quick question, does the current n7 image port over to the touch interface or are they completely separate projects? Feb 20 18:05:10 davmor2, currently they are completely separate ... over time they will merge Feb 20 18:06:24 what about stopping the flickering, would that be related to hwcursor? Feb 20 18:06:29 good now I know not to be disappointed when the caterpillar desktop doesn't turn into a bufferfly version :) Feb 20 18:08:27 davmor2, if you want the butterfly, use the tablet image :) Feb 20 18:09:18 ogra_: I don't mind either way, although I have to say the tablet version does look gorgeous :) Feb 20 18:09:45 yeah, if it just had some apps now :) Feb 20 18:09:56 hurry devs, write some ! Feb 20 21:18:12 davmor2: and for "entry level" requires 2GB of ram and cortex-a15? Feb 20 21:39:51 ogra_: you had some problems regarding ext4 filesystem, right? It got corrupted because of ...fsck it was? Feb 20 21:39:59 on n7 Feb 20 21:46:26 meh, he's probably gone for the day **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 21 02:59:59 2013