**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 21 02:59:59 2013
Feb 21 04:19:09 <cheng> hi, is it ok when cross compile i am using glibc from compiler version and during runtime using glibc from ubuntu-core?
Feb 21 04:19:57 <cheng> the program is able to  run with ubuntu-core dynamic libraries.
Feb 21 04:42:53 <rampage73> I followed the info here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation everything seems to go smoothly until ubuntu splash screen then it goes dark and nothing have waited around 24 minutes now, any ideas?
Feb 21 04:43:26 <nexus7user> does anyoneone know when i may expect to see an image of ubuntu for tablets, for my nexus 7?
Feb 21 04:45:32 <nexus7user> some on the web say as early as tomorrow?
Feb 21 04:46:02 <quin> afaik there are testing images you can install now
Feb 21 04:46:36 <nexus7user> how may i get an image, and a little how to?
Feb 21 04:46:37 <quin> officially it really isn't until later this year
Feb 21 04:46:40 <lilstevie> nexus7user, technically today :p it is the 21st in the UK
Feb 21 04:46:47 <rampage73> nexus7user, according to the link I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation you can install it now however I have tried it twice now and it seems to be not working
Feb 21 04:46:49 <nexus7user> i know!
Feb 21 04:47:23 <quin> i can't really tell you more than that, i don't have an n7
Feb 21 04:47:42 * lilstevie is waiting super impatiently for ubuntu for phone images to appear
Feb 21 04:48:02 <rampage73> I second lilstevie
Feb 21 04:48:49 <nexus7user> i have been to that site.. i know that an earlier port of the desktop client came out moths ago, i am afraid that this is an outdated tutorial
Feb 21 04:49:19 <rampage73> anyone here have experience with the nexus 7 installer for ubuntu? I am stuck
Feb 21 04:49:59 <rampage73> it was last updated today (according to the site)
Feb 21 04:50:40 <nexus7user> rampage, are you trying to install the official ubuntu for tablets?
Feb 21 04:52:33 <lilstevie> rampage73, I would wait tbh
Feb 21 04:52:59 <lilstevie> rampage73, the nexus 7 installer installs ubuntu-arm, ubuntu for tablets will be much better :p
Feb 21 04:53:47 <rampage73> I know lilstevie I am just impatient figured this would get me by until then! ;)
Feb 21 04:53:58 <nexus7user> lilstevie, do you know when an image will be available?
Feb 21 04:54:07 <lilstevie> sometime today
Feb 21 04:54:30 <nexus7user> do you know what to expect?
Feb 21 04:54:44 <nexus7user> graphical installer?
Feb 21 04:54:53 <lilstevie> I am no more in the loop than you :p
Feb 21 04:55:06 <nexus7user> do you have an n7?
Feb 21 04:55:09 <lilstevie> nope
Feb 21 04:55:31 <lilstevie> I plan on hacking the image up until it works on my device :)
Feb 21 04:55:41 <nexus7user> oh cool
Feb 21 04:55:48 <nexus7user> what do you have?
Feb 21 04:55:56 <lilstevie> I have a TF201
Feb 21 04:56:03 <lilstevie> and an Xperia T
Feb 21 04:56:21 <rampage73> lilstevie, am I understanding you correctly, ubuntu is releasing tablet edition today?
Feb 21 04:56:28 <nexus7user> i wonder if i should stay up all night...
Feb 21 04:56:31 <lilstevie> rampage73, and phone
Feb 21 04:56:40 <nexus7user> thats what they say
Feb 21 04:57:01 <rampage73> well then I guess I can wait that long! is it on their site?
Feb 21 04:57:11 <rampage73> sorry I mean will it be on their site
Feb 21 04:57:11 <nexus7user> how do we talk to someone who is in the loop?
Feb 21 04:57:16 <lilstevie> they are releasing images for GNex,Nex4/7/10
Feb 21 04:57:32 <lilstevie> first 2 being ubuntu for phones and the latter for tablets
Feb 21 04:57:48 <rampage73> sweet I can try it on my phone too!
Feb 21 04:57:55 <lilstevie> rampage73, from what I hear it will be -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess
Feb 21 04:58:16 <rampage73> lilstevie, you are more in the loop than I! and thank you!
Feb 21 04:58:41 <lilstevie> rampage73, heh, just what news sites post :p
Feb 21 04:59:12 <nexus7user> i wish they would post what time too lol
Feb 21 04:59:42 <rampage73> lilstevie, I know my tired eyes somehow missed that, thanks and goodnight!
Feb 21 05:00:18 <nexus7user> ill give you my number, and text me when they post it
Feb 21 05:00:42 <LisaNori> So, for those of us using the multirom dual boot, is there a way to load the new image for nex7 and then fix it up to work correctly with multirom, or do we need to get a specific multirom capable image?
Feb 21 05:01:56 <nexus7user> i think we are looking at a whole new bag of chips here
Feb 21 05:06:57 <nexus7user> now hopefully i can put ubuntu on my iphone
Feb 21 05:07:34 <nexus7user> tough crowd
Feb 21 06:47:19 <dholbach> good morning
Feb 21 08:57:45 <hrw> dholbach: hi Daniel
Feb 21 08:58:06 <hrw> dholbach: nexus4 got into hands of new owner ;)
Feb 21 08:58:26 <ogra_> you gave it away ?
Feb 21 08:58:29 <ogra_> sad
Feb 21 08:58:58 <dholbach> hrw, :-)
Feb 21 08:58:59 <hrw> ogra_: I still have mine
Feb 21 08:59:10 <ogra_> ah, another one
Feb 21 08:59:19 <ogra_> great, spread them !
Feb 21 08:59:38 <ogra_> google HW is the best .... if you install ubuntu on it :)
Feb 21 08:59:53 <hrw> ogra_: s/ubuntu/cyanogenmod/ and I will agree with you
Feb 21 09:00:13 <ogra_> pfft
Feb 21 09:00:18 <ogra_> silly android stuff
Feb 21 09:00:53 <hrw> ogra_: I will test that ubuntu phone image one day but beware complaints on my blog
Feb 21 09:01:17 <XorA> someone needs to make Dalvik run under proper gnu/linux base and have best of both worlds :-D
Feb 21 09:01:19 <suihkulokki> if android is so silly, why do coattail on the android hw adaption layer ;)
Feb 21 09:01:42 <ogra_> hrw, well, its not an enduser image so dont be to harsh
Feb 21 09:01:57 <ogra_> suihkulokki, ask the vendors
Feb 21 09:02:03 <hrw> ogra_: ;)
Feb 21 09:04:05 <hrw> ogra_: can I atleast make a call with it? will both sides hear each other and be able to understand? text messages? taking and sharing pictures on google+?
Feb 21 09:04:45 <XorA> hrw: sacrilege no open phone should make phonecalls ;-)
Feb 21 09:05:01 <hrw> XorA: who called nexus4 an open phone?
Feb 21 09:05:02 <ogra_> i think you can make calls ... and i think there is a working browser so G+ should register as html5 app
Feb 21 09:05:22 <ogra_> but not sure, i havent tested it myself at all
Feb 21 13:24:15 * vibhav sometimes winders why arm had so many build failures 
Feb 21 13:24:21 <vibhav> Wonders*
Feb 21 13:24:34 <vibhav> s/had/has/
Feb 21 13:25:00 <ogra_> because of hardcoded assumptions from programmers
Feb 21 13:25:57 <vibhav> Like?
Feb 21 13:26:17 <ogra_> like that the world only consists of x86 PCs
Feb 21 13:27:09 <ogra_> the build failure situation isnt much worse than for powerpc or other non x86 arches
Feb 21 13:27:29 <ogra_> in fact in ubuntu arm nowadays does better than ppc i think
Feb 21 13:29:59 <TheMuso> Well of course, there are few people caring about powerpc these days.
Feb 21 13:30:22 <vibhav> ogra_: AFAIK, the assumptions you are talking about are stuff datatype sizes, right?
Feb 21 13:31:16 <vibhav> I have heard of ugly code which assumes byte order (shrieks)
Feb 21 13:31:25 <vibhav> stuff like*
Feb 21 13:35:04 <TheMuso> Going from x86 to arm doesn't require endianness changes, at least I don't think so.
Feb 21 13:35:15 <TheMuso> I've never adjusted anything that close to the metal for arm so far.
Feb 21 13:41:39 <nilsB> people are waiting for Touch Developer Preview. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess?action=info&hitcounts=1
Feb 21 13:43:06 <ogra_> great, isnt it :)
Feb 21 13:44:12 <xnox> well armhw doesn't have unalligned memory access, one can trigger it but it hinders performance.
Feb 21 13:50:04 <nilsB> ogra_, yeah great. the wiki home page has an daily average of 3100 page hits. now we have about 53800 after half a day.
Feb 21 13:50:32 <nilsB> on the page TouchInstallProcess
Feb 21 13:51:21 <nilsB> unfortunately on the page hits are moving at the moment...
Feb 21 14:22:41 <SailorMoon> No Ubuntu Mobile release today?
Feb 21 14:22:43 <SailorMoon> I feel betrayed by the Media
Feb 21 14:24:20 <Tassadar> It's still today)
Feb 21 14:24:36 <SailorMoon> Can someone make it right now?
Feb 21 14:24:38 <SailorMoon> I have to work tonight
Feb 21 14:24:39 <SailorMoon> lol <3
Feb 21 14:24:52 <Tassadar> ogra_: you here?
Feb 21 14:25:15 <SailorMoon> Assuming i like it (Totally will?) ill probably become a regular here.
Feb 21 14:25:34 <ogra_> Tassadar, well, with half a toe only, #ubunti-phone keeps me busy today
Feb 21 14:25:45 <ogra_> *#ubuntu-phone
Feb 21 14:25:45 <SailorMoon> which ubuntu is so open, if theres something i dont like i can just change it, right?
Feb 21 14:26:07 <Tassadar> okay, hopefuly short one: you had some problems regarding ext4 filesystem on n7, right? It got corrupted because of ...fsck it was?
Feb 21 14:28:22 <Tassadar> ooh, no, it was because of resizing the filesystem to fit the partition
Feb 21 14:29:27 <SailorMoon> Does Ubuntu Phone/Tablet do anything when connected to PC?
Feb 21 14:29:34 <ogra_> Tassadar, exactly
Feb 21 14:29:40 <SailorMoon> because the Daily "desktop" builds didnt, just curious
Feb 21 14:30:03 <ogra_> SailorMoon, the nexus7 desktop image  definitely does
Feb 21 14:30:04 <Tassadar> did you found out why? is it the bootloader?
Feb 21 14:30:19 <ogra_> Tassadar, nope, didnt
Feb 21 14:30:31 <Tassadar> k, thanks
Feb 21 14:30:44 <SailorMoon> it didnt for me, it seemed to once (Windows notification sound) bu ti unplugged it and it never did it again
Feb 21 14:32:21 <ogra_> oh, on windows
Feb 21 14:32:41 <ogra_> well, you can use putty (if you have the right driver i guess) to log in via usb
Feb 21 14:33:02 <ogra_> or you can set up an usbnet connection (assuming win needs a special driver for this too)
Feb 21 14:33:11 <ogra_> both works OOTB on an ubuntu machine
Feb 21 14:33:13 <SailorMoon> lol
Feb 21 14:33:20 <SailorMoon> Will it always be like that?
Feb 21 14:33:22 <SailorMoon> Surely not?
Feb 21 14:33:42 <SailorMoon> Ubuntu for Phone/Tablet is meant to be "Extremely" user friendly, right?
Feb 21 14:34:00 <ogra_> right, but the nexus7 image isnt ubuntu phone
Feb 21 14:34:09 <SailorMoon> Your going to get a lot of people in here "How do i put music on my blahblah?"
Feb 21 14:34:10 <ogra_> its ubuntu desktop on a tablet device :)
Feb 21 14:34:16 <SailorMoon> I know, i mean
Feb 21 14:34:20 <SailorMoon> is the Ubuntu for Tablets
Feb 21 14:34:26 <SailorMoon> going to do it better?
Feb 21 14:34:31 <Tassadar> I would guess it would do MTP mode like android later on, it wasn't priority for n7's image
Feb 21 14:34:52 <SailorMoon> i can alwyas set up an FTP server i guess
Feb 21 14:35:23 <SailorMoon> have you used it?
Feb 21 14:35:45 <SailorMoon> Ive seen Skype in the side stand thingy, but i can't imagine that not having a huge impact on performance?
Feb 21 14:36:07 <Tassadar> used what?
Feb 21 14:36:13 <SailorMoon> Ubuntu for Tablets
Feb 21 14:36:16 <SailorMoon> on the N7
Feb 21 14:36:21 <ogra_> its not out yet
Feb 21 14:36:28 <SailorMoon> I know, but surely some people have used it
Feb 21 14:36:29 <Tassadar> I'm not "from Ubuntu" :)
Feb 21 14:36:38 <ogra_> see all the buzz in #ubuntu-phone
Feb 21 14:36:41 <SailorMoon> ive seen one or two media sites with screenshots ive never seen before claiming to have used it
Feb 21 14:37:30 <Tassadar> there's video on engadget where they show it on n10
Feb 21 14:37:31 <SailorMoon> found this link on a german site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess
Feb 21 14:38:07 <ogra_> yeah, that will update once it is released
Feb 21 14:38:24 <SailorMoon> "To finish installing updates, Windows must restart" ._. brb guys <3 lol
Feb 21 15:02:59 <SailorMoon> i applaud you, ogra_.
Feb 21 15:03:07 <ogra_> heh
Feb 21 15:03:17 <SailorMoon> First linux user i've met that didnt insta-hate me for being a Windows user on Desktop
Feb 21 15:03:44 <ogra_> :)
Feb 21 15:04:08 <SailorMoon> Truthfully i hate Windows, i just can't use Linux/Ubuntu. i'm too lazy to learn lol
Feb 21 15:04:27 <ogra_> hmm, then we are not good enough yet
Feb 21 15:04:31 <SailorMoon> Smeday Microsoft will make the bold move of Limiting what we're allowed to run, theyre heading that way now
Feb 21 15:04:35 <SailorMoon> And thats when i will switch
Feb 21 15:14:28 <SailorMoon> hey ogra_: Will you answer a question for me thats completely irelevant to Ubuntu or ARM lol
Feb 21 15:15:20 <ogra_> we'll never know if you dont ask it
Feb 21 15:15:48 <vibhav> SailorMoon: never ask to ask
Feb 21 15:17:43 <SailorMoon> lol i only asked to ask becuase its completely off topic lol
Feb 21 15:18:08 <SailorMoon> I have an ASUS Board with a Power mode, which clocks my CPU From 3.6Ghz to 4.3Ghz
Feb 21 15:18:19 <SailorMoon> But my PC would freeze at random, usually after like 20 minutes
Feb 21 15:18:35 <SailorMoon> the temps were fine, and it didnt matter if the PC was idle, or doing some intense gaming
Feb 21 15:18:45 <SailorMoon> So why was it freezing?
Feb 21 15:19:01 <SailorMoon> My guess is the board was trying to clock the ram in a way that wasnt supported?
Feb 21 15:21:53 <ogra_> well, i would suggest running the memtest that ubuntu installs into your bootmenu ... if you woudl run ubuntu
Feb 21 15:22:40 <SailorMoon> I could make a bootable usb
Feb 21 15:22:48 <SailorMoon> it comes with a memtest
Feb 21 15:22:52 <SailorMoon> infact my Bios might even have one
Feb 21 15:22:56 <SailorMoon> i think Windows has one now, too. not sure
Feb 21 15:23:19 <ogra_> well, if your fans run fine i would blame the ram rather than the cpu
Feb 21 15:23:33 <SailorMoon> thats what i was thinking
Feb 21 15:23:40 <SailorMoon> if it was CPU, it would be more likely to freeze when clocked up
Feb 21 15:23:41 <SailorMoon> then sitting idle
Feb 21 15:24:18 <SailorMoon> is it possible to clock CPU without clocking memory? (Im an OC noob.)
Feb 21 15:25:02 <SailorMoon> "dram" is my Ram clock settings right?
Feb 21 15:25:13 <SailorMoon> i think i could try switching it from Automatic to Manual in my bios?
Feb 21 15:25:14 <ogra_> dunno, i'm an arm guy
Feb 21 15:25:26 <ogra_> my only PC doesnt run overclocked
Feb 21 15:26:07 <SailorMoon> so you wouldnt know anything about this GPU Boost switch on my board?
Feb 21 15:26:07 <SailorMoon> lol
Feb 21 15:26:10 <SailorMoon> im scared of it, too
Feb 21 15:26:21 <Tassadar> It is possible the CPU/memory just can't handle frequency soo high
Feb 21 15:26:37 <SailorMoon> yeah the CPU said 3.6Ghz (3.9Ghz Turbo) whatever turbo means
Feb 21 15:26:40 <SailorMoon> and i had it at 4.3
Feb 21 15:26:51 <SailorMoon> But it ran fine and kept a decent temp
Feb 21 15:32:07 <SailorMoon> How many more hours
Feb 21 15:32:08 <SailorMoon> one? six?
Feb 21 15:32:25 <SailorMoon> lol meant to type that in #ubuntu-phone
Feb 21 15:32:26 <SailorMoon> But oh well
Feb 21 15:32:39 * Tassadar flips a coin
Feb 21 15:32:54 <SailorMoon> Tabs, Tabs everywhere
Feb 21 15:33:03 * Tassadar flips a tablet?
Feb 21 15:35:17 <sveinse> Is there a way I can run tar & gzip in initramfs? I've installed a custom initramfs script and uses tar gz. I fail to include /bin/gzip as busybox provides this, but tar is unable to use the version provided by busybox
Feb 21 15:36:29 <ogra_> sveinse, take a look at ac100-tarball-installer source
Feb 21 15:36:46 <ogra_> specifically at the initramfs scripts and hooks
Feb 21 15:37:01 <sveinse> thanks, I'll do that
Feb 21 15:42:16 <sveinse> heh. You divert the bulk of the stock initramfs scripts. :)
Feb 21 15:43:59 <ogra_> i thought you took that diversion stuff a while ago already
Feb 21 15:46:16 <sveinse> Yes. I'm using diversion for other things. It was just a comment. The interesting thing is that the purpose of your package is not too far away from what I'm working on.
Feb 21 15:47:17 <sveinse> Mgmt does not like that our product uses 40minutes to upgrade from natty->precise, so we're working on replacing the entire filesystem with rm and tar
Feb 21 15:53:03 <sveinse> zcat did it. Thanks ogra_
Feb 21 16:12:12 <SailorMoon> hey ogra_, the wiki is down for me
Feb 21 16:12:22 <ogra_> works fine for me
Feb 21 16:12:26 <SailorMoon> Internal Server Error  The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.  Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@ubuntu.com
Feb 21 16:12:38 <SailorMoon> Can you help me get the download? T~T
Feb 21 16:12:54 <SailorMoon> ohh, its working now
Feb 21 16:13:01 <SailorMoon> must be stress on the server
Feb 21 16:13:26 <SailorMoon> And ofc, no windows install Method
Feb 21 16:15:01 <SailorMoon> Why didnt you tell me i couldnt it install it in windows
Feb 21 16:15:06 <SailorMoon> ive waited two days for nothing
Feb 21 16:16:02 <ogra_> SailorMoon, i think you can, using fastboot and adb
Feb 21 16:16:11 <ogra_> ask in the phone channel the devs are around
Feb 21 16:16:36 <Tassadar> I believe there's flashable ZIP on the download page
Feb 21 16:17:08 <Tassadar> and the whole thing is based on cyanogenmod Oo
Feb 21 16:18:27 <SailorMoon> nope
Feb 21 16:18:32 <SailorMoon> They dont have the images linked
Feb 21 16:18:39 <SailorMoon> and nobody is answering me
Feb 21 16:18:45 <SailorMoon> im so close to just spamming the channel =/
Feb 21 16:18:56 <Tassadar> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/
Feb 21 16:19:13 <rsalveti> SailorMoon: you can install at any os that has adb on it
Feb 21 16:19:20 <rsalveti> and fastboot
Feb 21 16:19:43 <SailorMoon> I know
Feb 21 16:19:46 <rsalveti> if you have clockworkmod at your phone, just grab our zip images
Feb 21 16:19:49 <SailorMoon> Thanks to Tassadar, i finally have the images
Feb 21 16:20:13 <SailorMoon> However
Feb 21 16:20:19 <SailorMoon> this is different then what im used to
Feb 21 16:20:24 <SailorMoon> do i just install this with clockworrk
Feb 21 16:21:01 <rsalveti> you can :-)
Feb 21 16:21:08 <rsalveti> that's what the phablet tools will do in the end
Feb 21 16:21:28 <SailorMoon> Why the small file size
Feb 21 16:21:30 <rsalveti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/quantal-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip + http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
Feb 21 16:21:36 <rsalveti> for example
Feb 21 16:21:41 <rsalveti> install the first one first, and then the second
Feb 21 16:21:46 <rsalveti> like any normal zip via clockwork
Feb 21 16:21:51 <rsalveti> reboot and be happy
Feb 21 16:21:52 <SailorMoon> So wait..
Feb 21 16:22:00 <SailorMoon> you just confused me
Feb 21 16:22:11 <SailorMoon> what do i do with quantal-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip
Feb 21 16:22:25 <SailorMoon> ohhh
Feb 21 16:22:27 <SailorMoon> i gotcha
Feb 21 16:22:36 <SailorMoon> i get it now
Feb 21 16:22:56 <SailorMoon> damn, for all these people downloading the images, you guys have a lot of bandwidth lol
Feb 21 16:23:37 <SailorMoon> So install device specific zip first, then armhf 2nd
Feb 21 16:23:43 <SailorMoon> and then party?
Feb 21 16:23:59 <Tassadar> ooh, it's split up into two
Feb 21 16:24:02 <ogra_> you could party *while* flashing
Feb 21 16:24:04 <Tassadar> no wonder it's not booting)
Feb 21 16:24:11 <SailorMoon> lol
Feb 21 16:24:30 <rsalveti> SailorMoon: yeah
Feb 21 16:24:33 <SailorMoon> See my idea to prevent having to zip files was to have the device rom download the rest
Feb 21 16:24:38 <SailorMoon> but this works too lol
Feb 21 16:24:48 <SailorMoon> having to download two zip files*
Feb 21 16:25:38 <SailorMoon> i re-overclocked, ogra_.
Feb 21 16:25:50 <SailorMoon> here's hoping i finish the download before i freeze
Feb 21 16:27:57 <Tassadar> I wonder why is there recovery image
Feb 21 16:28:00 <SailorMoon> Okay so question
Feb 21 16:28:19 <SailorMoon> if the zip goes in /userdata
Feb 21 16:28:23 <SailorMoon> how does that work exactly
Feb 21 16:28:26 <SailorMoon> when /userdata is formated
Feb 21 16:28:47 <SailorMoon> loads into memory or something?
Feb 21 16:28:59 <Tassadar> what?
Feb 21 16:29:10 <SailorMoon> the large zip formats your internal memory
Feb 21 16:29:17 <SailorMoon> which is where the .zip is stored
Feb 21 16:29:24 <Tassadar> no, it doesn't
Feb 21 16:29:33 <SailorMoon> yes, it does. lol
Feb 21 16:29:36 <Tassadar> you have to wipe it in recovery
Feb 21 16:29:44 <rsalveti> Tassadar: we have a recovery so we can auto-flash with our tools
Feb 21 16:29:56 <Tassadar> oh, right, that would be it
Feb 21 16:30:03 <SailorMoon> im confused T~T
Feb 21 16:30:07 <rsalveti> but it's basically the clockworkmod one
Feb 21 16:30:11 <SailorMoon> do i use sideload then?
Feb 21 16:30:13 <SailorMoon> or what?
Feb 21 16:30:28 <Tassadar> have you ever flashed any Android ROM?
Feb 21 16:30:33 <SailorMoon> Yes
Feb 21 16:30:38 <SailorMoon> but they write to /system
Feb 21 16:30:40 <SailorMoon> not /data
Feb 21 16:30:42 <Tassadar> then you know you have to wipe /data
Feb 21 16:30:51 <SailorMoon> not always
Feb 21 16:31:04 <Tassadar> well, no, but this is completely different thing, so you have to
Feb 21 16:32:59 <SailorMoon> Copying, Lalala
Feb 21 16:33:15 <SailorMoon> rebooting into recovery, lala
Feb 21 16:33:33 <SailorMoon> wipining system and data, lala
Feb 21 16:34:06 <SailorMoon> installing zips
Feb 21 16:36:32 <SailorMoon> still installing zips (lol)
Feb 21 16:37:04 <Tassadar> it's a big file and does a lot of extracting, probably will take much longer than usual
Feb 21 16:37:25 <SailorMoon> it just finished
Feb 21 16:37:49 <SailorMoon> i think theres some dev info left on these roms
Feb 21 16:38:19 <SailorMoon> Considering i have 14 tweets recieved
Feb 21 16:39:38 <ogra_> heh
Feb 21 16:39:38 <SailorMoon> many contacts, phone numbers, accounts
Feb 21 16:39:41 <SailorMoon> still on these roms
Feb 21 16:39:42 <ogra_> its a demo
Feb 21 16:39:45 <ogra_> it has demo data on it
Feb 21 16:39:46 <SailorMoon> :P
Feb 21 16:39:49 <SailorMoon> Lies <3
Feb 21 16:39:52 <ogra_> on purpose
Feb 21 16:39:52 <SailorMoon> lol okay
Feb 21 16:40:02 <SailorMoon> so your saying icant really call Chris wayne?
Feb 21 16:40:34 <ogra_> you could just wait until he drops into the channel here :)
Feb 21 16:41:06 <SailorMoon> lol
Feb 21 16:41:21 <SailorMoon> im going to call him whenever i need help now
Feb 21 16:41:24 <SailorMoon> (totally kidding)
Feb 21 16:41:49 <ogra_> he is cwayne in here if he is around :)
Feb 21 16:41:55 <SailorMoon> Wifi isnt working
Feb 21 16:43:22 <SailorMoon> Nvm, just got it
Feb 21 16:44:43 <SailorMoon> no "app store"?
Feb 21 16:45:52 <SailorMoon> i have to be honest, its hard to find anything on this
Feb 21 16:47:14 <SailorMoon> seems to be no settings page
Feb 21 16:47:17 <ogra_> well, there isnt much to find yet
Feb 21 16:47:27 <ogra_> pull down the top panel ...
Feb 21 16:47:32 <ogra_> it has the settings
Feb 21 16:47:38 <SailorMoon> thats it, though?
Feb 21 16:49:04 <SailorMoon> Search button appears to only work once
Feb 21 16:49:14 <SailorMoon> or no, its page specific?
Feb 21 16:52:40 <SailorMoon> im a bit disapointed
Feb 21 16:53:15 <SailorMoon> i know its not complete, but i still expected a TON more even in a dev build
Feb 21 16:53:25 <SailorMoon> this is practically feature-less
Feb 21 16:54:13 <ogra_> its a develloper *preview* ... a framework for devs to work in
Feb 21 16:54:19 <ogra_> not for endusers
Feb 21 16:54:26 <SailorMoon> I know
Feb 21 16:55:27 <SailorMoon> My PC hasnt frozen yet
Feb 21 17:14:36 <Tassadar> yaaay, dual-booted)
Feb 21 17:17:25 <Tassadar> hah, gmail thinks it's iphone)
Feb 21 18:29:06 <wookey> OK, so in upstart-world where do I set ttyAMA0 to have a getty run on it in init?
Feb 21 18:31:07 <xnox> wookey: add your own job =) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
Feb 21 18:31:14 <wookey> I have no inittab to poke
Feb 21 18:31:24 <wookey> cheers
Feb 21 18:32:17 <wookey> and if a boot with upstart --verbose stops at mountall.sh does that probably mean it worked, I just have no getty?
Feb 21 18:43:10 <wookey> yeee-ha! a prompt
Feb 21 18:43:24 <wookey> what's the root password of a deboostrapped raring?
Feb 21 18:44:54 <ogra_> root is locked
Feb 21 18:46:49 <wookey> hmm. so I need to do an init=/bin/sh boot and set a password?
Feb 21 18:47:34 <ogra_> yeah, i usually do that when bootstrapping ... but indeed you need to know it in advance
Feb 21 18:48:03 <wookey> I was so excited, for just a moment....
Feb 21 18:49:29 <wookey> trying again....
Feb 21 19:06:20 <wookey> cjwatson: xnox doko: arm64 deboostrapped image booted in simulator :-) good job all round
Feb 21 19:07:12 * ogra_ applauds
Feb 21 19:07:49 <wookey> fix nspr->nss->curl->gnupg->apt and cloog-ppl->gcc and we could start native building (very slowly)
Feb 21 19:08:27 <wookey> (doko already told me what the cloog issue is - should be an easy fix)
Feb 21 19:09:35 <wookey> I seem to have a few commands that are still using libc2.16. rebuilding
Feb 21 19:22:42 <Tassadar> whoa, that ubuntu tablet preview looks like it is cyanogenmod with chroot and the UI stuff running in it
Feb 21 19:23:02 <Tassadar> I suppose that is just because the ubuntu core isn't ready yet...?
Feb 21 19:26:49 <rsalveti> Tassadar: that's because we're using the android binaries
Feb 21 19:27:01 <rsalveti> and some other minor services
Feb 21 19:27:13 <Tassadar> so, will it stay like that?
Feb 21 19:38:19 <davmor2> ogra_: you about still?
Feb 21 19:38:41 <ogra_> davmor2, well, with half an eye, so much going on in the phone channel
Feb 21 19:40:12 <davmor2> ogra_: on the tab, open dash, goto the apps lens, and right click on an uninstalled app.  then check the memory on software-center-dbus  I just want to check if it is as high on the tab as it is on the desktop
Feb 21 19:56:31 <rsalveti> Tassadar: for now yes, but we can get rid of that once we have working driver running at the ubuntu side
Feb 21 19:57:08 <Tassadar> okay, thanks, I guessed it would be something like that
Feb 21 21:56:20 <baggers> hi all, I have a nexus 7 with ubuntu desktop version installed. Do I have to restore android before I flahs the ubuntu tablet image? Or is there a way to get adb running under ubuntu desktop?
Feb 21 21:57:46 <ogra_> baggers, no, but the desktop install doesnt toouch the recovery partition
Feb 21 21:58:02 <ogra_> if you boot into recovery from the bootloader screen you have adb
Feb 21 21:59:05 <ogra_> baggers, try this guide http://sergiusens.github.com/posts/installing-ubuntu-touch-preview-on-the-nexus-7-with-ubuntu-on-it.html
Feb 21 21:59:28 <ogra_> (and tell me if it worked ... if it doesnt you can still go back to android)
Feb 21 21:59:38 <baggers> sweet, I'll try that now, cheers!
Feb 21 21:59:59 <xnox> wookey: uploaded fixed nspr
Feb 21 22:25:43 <baggers> ogra_: The steps all seemed to work but I get a back screen when I boot :(
Feb 21 22:25:58 <baggers> I'll have another go!
Feb 21 22:40:33 <sergiusens> baggers: hey, before sideloading can you go to the mounts menu and wipe/format userdata>
Feb 21 22:41:05 <sergiusens> baggers: sdcard to just in case
Feb 21 23:05:26 <baggers> sergiusens: Turns out I just hadn't waited long enough before running adb reboot. I will flash again soon and format userdata just to see if there is any difference, thanks again!
Feb 22 01:37:01 <xnox> oh well nspr is "over cross-compiled"
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