**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 12 02:59:58 2013 Mar 12 05:29:00 lilstevie: Oh shiny. I was lied to. Not running Fedora personally, I had to accept that lie as tentative truth. Thanks for the correction. :) Mar 12 05:29:49 infinity, np :) Mar 12 05:30:12 FC18 fwiw Mar 12 05:30:23 I can't comment on earlier versions Mar 12 05:30:54 Yeah, I just assume latest release and/or rawhide as a general rule. Older Fedora releases are worth anyone's time about as much as older Ford Pintos. Mar 12 05:32:17 fair enough Mar 12 05:32:53 fedoras current recommended setup is to use distcc with arm guests and an x86 server Mar 12 05:33:03 which I find a little overkill Mar 12 05:33:25 Just a tad. :) Mar 12 05:33:55 if something only builds native, I'll build it native otherwise I'll crossbuild, and packaging is always done native for me Mar 12 06:33:31 What script/service is doing the rotation on the Ubuntu Nexus 7 port? Mar 12 08:11:12 * Snark wonders how easy it can be to use an arm chromebook with qwerty keyboard... in french... Mar 12 08:45:53 ogra_: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/133791292/flash-kernel_3.0~rc.4ubuntu29_3.0~rc.4ubuntu29-tegra.diff.gz Mar 12 08:46:07 ^ this still misses a remove script Mar 12 08:51:25 marvin24, hmm, doesnt your u-boot support uEnv/preEnv.txt ? we gave up supporting booot.scr quite a while ago, so that we could use plain text files and /etc/default/flash-kernel to seed the cmdline Mar 12 08:52:20 ogra_: yes, as I said before, uEnv/preEnv is an uboot macro implemented in the omap config Mar 12 08:52:49 I can look into it again, but I don't see what's the problem with boot.scr Mar 12 08:53:02 consistency Mar 12 08:53:30 you still need to run mkimage on vmlinuz and initrd Mar 12 08:54:08 I'll think about it to add uEnv support to tegra Mar 12 08:54:17 i.e. telling people "please edit /etc/default/flash-kernel and run sudo flash-kernel" is the std way to change your commandline with all other u-boot supported devices in ubuntu nowadays Mar 12 08:54:40 yes, editing something in /usr/share isn't nice Mar 12 08:55:31 it is mainly for systems that use SD cards indeed, so that you can just edit a txt file instead of being forced to have mkimage installed Mar 12 08:56:24 we just tried to get away from that requirement ... the /etc/default stuff is just a convenient extra to make it more like grub Mar 12 09:21:23 Snark: you can load AZERTY keymap - just do not look at keys ;D Mar 12 09:26:34 hrw, hmmm... wouldn't it be easier to keep the keyboard as qwerty but enable some dead key to obtain accentuated chars? Mar 12 09:26:57 Snark: no idea. Polish keyboard is based on US one Mar 12 09:27:12 and I have UK keyboard in chromebook... but I do not look at keys Mar 12 09:28:00 there are kbd stickers you could use Mar 12 10:21:52 Hello! Mar 12 10:31:10 Do we have support for USB DVB Cards in Ubuntu Raring Ringtail (armhf) ? WinTV-Nova-T Stick is supported (linux-firmware-nonfree) but nothing happens (no smsusb probing done) when I plugged it in my Nexus 7... ;D Mar 12 10:35:02 qwertyuiop_v1, files a bug and ask for the kernel option to be enabled, its not intentional :) Mar 12 10:35:10 apw, ppisati ^^^^^ Mar 12 10:35:18 *file even Mar 12 10:37:28 ogra_, may well not be on indeed, but yes file a bug and we can look into it Mar 12 10:38:00 i doubt it is ... i think there is a bug to enable all possible USB module options though Mar 12 10:39:18 ogra_, apw: thanks for your prompt response, I will file a bug Mar 12 11:23:12 ogra_: the phablet-flash command do you find you need to run it a couple of times if you haven't for a while? the first seems to just error out and the second work flawlessly Mar 12 11:24:03 ogra_: phablet-flash -l I should say Mar 12 11:29:11 davmor2, i never used it :) Mar 12 11:29:25 * ogra_ just copies both zips in place with the bootloader Mar 12 11:29:37 ogra_: fair enough Mar 12 11:30:01 ask in #ubuntu-touch ... probably when rsalveti is around, i think he knows that script Mar 12 11:30:22 * ogra_ doesnt have a supported phone so i have to do it manually anyway for my SGS2 port Mar 12 12:40:38 ogra_`: :( Mar 12 12:40:51 ? Mar 12 12:42:07 ogra_`: to the non-supported phone sorry just playing catch up Mar 12 12:42:34 non supported phone ? Mar 12 12:42:53 you mean the guy wanting a raspberry Pi port of ubuntu touch ? Mar 12 12:43:17 oh, you mean my galaxy SGS2 Mar 12 12:43:29 well, we only suppport nexus devices officiallly :) Mar 12 12:43:45 * ogra_` thought you refer to his current ML discussion on ubuntu-phone Mar 12 12:44:10 ogra_`: After having JUST flashed a GS2 literally an hour ago and discovering that they don't need unlocking or any other madness, I suspect that getting ubuntu-phone going on one would be dangerously close to trivial. Mar 12 12:44:25 ogra_`: I'd do it myself, but I have to give this phone back to its owner now that I've unbricked it for her. Mar 12 12:44:45 infinity, it runs absolutely perfect here since the weekend on my SGS2 Mar 12 12:44:56 ogra_`: (A Samsung OTA update bricked it, so I opted to just say "eff samsung" and reimage it with CM10) Mar 12 12:45:16 ogra_`: Ahh, cool, you're already on it. Awesome. Mar 12 12:45:25 yeah, ubuntu touch isnt much hardewr once you have the HW issues sorted Mar 12 12:45:49 wlan was a bit tricky since there are two firmwares for the same device ... Mar 12 12:45:56 took me a while to figure that out Mar 12 12:45:57 davmor2: that's because adb Mar 12 12:46:15 davmor2: it seems we need to add some sort of delay from the first time adb is initialized Mar 12 12:46:44 and it didnt work with the recent mali android drivers ... but someone patched that bit to use the former version Mar 12 12:46:52 ogra_`: Yeah, there are actually a whole bunch of SGS2 models, from what I discovered doing her recovery. Mar 12 12:46:56 now its working as good as a nexus here :) Mar 12 12:47:24 ogra_`: Hers being the "Rogers/AT&T LTE" variety. skyrocket. Mar 12 12:47:25 i havent tried GSM yet since i dont want to actually unlock my SIm Mar 12 12:47:51 ugh, yeah, i thinnk vanhoof is also still struggling to get his verizon variant to work Mar 12 12:48:01 mine is luckily a plain GT-I9100 Mar 12 12:49:25 i think slangasek also has one of tehse weirdos that were modified for a network provider Mar 12 12:49:26 rsalveti: ah thanks Mar 12 12:49:51 rsalveti, definitely between adb root and adb shell calls Mar 12 12:49:55 bug 1143946 Mar 12 12:49:56 Launchpad bug 1143946 in Phablet Tools "phablet-flash fails on first run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1143946 Mar 12 12:49:58 yeah Mar 12 12:50:02 i even run into issues with that manually Mar 12 12:50:20 ogra_`: My favourite part about the skyrocket variant is that they're identical at the hardware level, but for whatever crazy reason, the volume/power combinations for accessing recovery/download modes are DIFFERENT between Rogers and AT&T phones. Mar 12 12:50:34 ogra_`: Can't fathom how that came to be, or why anyone thought that was a good idea. Mar 12 12:51:05 oh my Mar 12 12:51:18 i bet that took a while to figure out, eh ? :) Mar 12 12:51:43 It took a lot of angry button-mashing when all the AT&T-centric HOWTOs were wrong for me, yes. :P Mar 12 12:51:45 *sigh* why the heck do people want to run ubuntu touch on their RPi ! Mar 12 12:52:10 that thread starts to annoy me Mar 12 12:52:22 But, much like fighting games on the SNES, if you mash enough buttons randomly, eventually you win. Mar 12 12:52:30 haha Mar 12 13:06:47 lol Mar 12 13:07:08 ogra_`, it is quite simple, people purchased the rpi thinking that it would be the go-to hardware Mar 12 13:07:28 yeah, i still wonder what made them think that Mar 12 13:07:34 because they don't understand the whole ARMvX issue Mar 12 13:07:39 ogra_`, pricepoint Mar 12 13:07:40 right Mar 12 13:07:53 ogra_`, everyone has this notion that if something is cheap, it will become the standard Mar 12 13:08:00 heh, so "ceapest" *must* be good ... indeeed :) Mar 12 13:08:07 *cheapest Mar 12 13:09:08 well, i was hoping to not have any RPi discussions anymore, but somehow that crap is re-occuring every few months Mar 12 13:09:31 yeah Mar 12 13:09:43 ogra_`, hrw eh, I don't mind using a qwerty as long as I have convenient access to dead keys... Mar 12 13:10:05 yeah, thats tricky on the chromebook ... Mar 12 13:10:13 there are so many keys missing Mar 12 13:10:32 * ogra_` really misses delete Mar 12 13:10:42 I did a whole rant the other day about how people still insist on releasing armv6 devices in another chan, and how I will only consider something if it is armv7 but even then there are conditions, and the first thing someone asked me was if I owned a rpi, and if not am I planning to Mar 12 13:10:48 ogra_`: I have Del on F10 Mar 12 13:11:07 hrw, i have vol up there (as labeled) Mar 12 13:11:29 the three volume keys are actually mapped like labeled for me Mar 12 13:11:55 (indeed i could change that but would have to re-map the volume stuff elsewhere) Mar 12 13:12:20 and wheer del usually sits there is the power key ... Mar 12 13:20:00 ogra_`: Esc F1 F2 F5 F11 F4 VolDown VolUp PgUp PgDown Delete Power - my setup Mar 12 13:21:27 lilstevie: devices ogra_`: does the rpi discussion frequency matches the batch rpi shipments arrival from china? Mar 12 13:30:39 heh, no idea, i try to stay away as far as i can from the RPi :) Mar 12 13:31:04 its just crappy proprietary HW Mar 12 13:31:31 OpenCrap (tm) Mar 12 13:31:47 heh Mar 12 13:32:16 its like a broadcom wlan card that expanded to a whole PC Mar 12 13:32:59 ;) Mar 12 13:33:42 marvin24: on which devices you checked your flash-kernel for DT devices patch? Mar 12 13:34:10 hrw: ac100 Mar 12 13:34:16 but should work on all tegra2/3/4 Mar 12 13:34:41 on chromebook I do not produce /lib/firmware/KERNELVER/ libs Mar 12 13:35:02 libs? or device-tree? Mar 12 13:35:12 device-tree Mar 12 13:35:14 sory Mar 12 13:35:19 hrw: Well, you should start. :) Mar 12 13:35:29 this actually comes from the ubuntu raring kernel (3.8) Mar 12 13:35:32 hrw: The distro mainline kernels do. Mar 12 13:35:49 infinity: maybe one day when I switch to uboot chainload Mar 12 13:36:24 hrw: does /proc/cpuinfo contain "Flattened Device Tree" at all? Mar 12 13:36:36 marvin24: Hardware : SAMSUNG EXYNOS5 (Flattened Device Tree) Mar 12 13:36:48 ok Mar 12 13:37:00 infinity: kernel packaging is weird enough already Mar 12 13:42:14 * xnox notices that pxz and busybox compatability has been fixed now. Mar 12 13:42:20 * xnox TODO merge busybox Mar 12 13:42:37 \o/ Mar 12 13:42:58 damned, so i wont have any excuse anymore to not implement xz tarballs Mar 12 14:03:41 lp 1126836 Mar 12 14:03:42 Launchpad bug 1126836 in ubuntu-nexus7 "The error "df: warning: cannot read table of mounted filesystems: No such file or directory" is shown. Splash screen appears, then black screen." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1126836 Mar 12 14:03:51 this is exactly what happens to me Mar 12 14:04:27 which is still unexplainable to me Mar 12 14:04:43 at least i'm not the only one Mar 12 14:05:16 ppisati, no, thats the whoopsie bug that was fixed the same week Mar 12 14:05:40 ogra_`: tried yesterday img, still there Mar 12 14:05:42 it exposed the exact same behavior Mar 12 14:05:47 yes, you said so Mar 12 14:06:01 but it is definitely not realted to that one Mar 12 14:06:43 everyone who had that issue confirmed it fixed after the whoopsie fix Mar 12 14:06:57 and it was weeks ago Mar 12 14:07:12 i'm pretty sure what you see is kernel/HW related Mar 12 14:07:59 can we have the serial console on usb? Mar 12 14:08:12 i se network manager keeps trying to bring up usb0 Mar 12 14:08:17 so i guess kernel is still alive Mar 12 14:09:59 ppisati, there is a serial console on usb ... in parallel to the usb0 iface Mar 12 14:10:06 check your dmesg Mar 12 14:10:47 the prob is that yu first need to modify the bootimg to boot with init=/bin/bash, then set a root PW, drop the init= again to be able to log in Mar 12 14:10:48 ogra_`: no new ttyUSB* here Mar 12 14:11:00 its ttyAMA or some such Mar 12 14:11:18 * ogra_` forgot how the composite gadget calls it Mar 12 14:11:39 ok Mar 12 14:11:42 i see the serial Mar 12 14:11:52 you should get a login Mar 12 14:11:57 yep Mar 12 14:11:58 but there is no user or root pw Mar 12 14:12:32 ogra_`: can't we set a default user? ubuntu/ubuntu? Mar 12 14:13:09 not without horrid hackery, nope Mar 12 14:13:14 :( Mar 12 14:38:08 ogra_, hrw the chromebook keyboard doesn't seem really usable... I'm wondering if a nexus10 + bt keyboard wouldn't be better (though three times more expensive) Mar 12 14:38:33 Snark: depends what you need Mar 12 14:43:28 depnds if you want to sit in a comfy chair with the thing on your lap or not Mar 12 14:43:52 if you always have a table its no issue to use an nx10 Mar 12 14:49:11 ogra_, http://www.cdiscount.com/informatique/clavier-souris-webcam/bluestork-clavier-bluetooth-avec-support-tablette/f-10702151616-bskbpadbtf.html ? Mar 12 14:50:24 well, i guess it will be wobbly and loose ... but try it Mar 12 14:50:42 ogra_: the nexus7 img, what kind of archive is that? tgz? squash? Mar 12 14:50:57 i used my nx7 for a while with wireless kbd ... and its slightly painful to always have to search a place to have it stand on Mar 12 14:51:47 ppisati, a special fastboot ext4 based sparse file format .... containing a rootfs tarball Mar 12 14:52:10 ogra_: can i "open" it in some way? Mar 12 14:52:40 you can convert it with simg2img from android-fsutils Mar 12 14:52:48 then you can loop mount it Mar 12 18:12:59 * Snark wonders when the new batch of arm tablets will get out... april? may? Mar 12 18:47:12 Snark: what tablets? Mar 12 18:54:48 RoyK, hmmm... isn't it the right word? Mar 12 18:56:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer <- it's the right word Mar 12 18:56:21 RoyK, I don't understand your question, then Mar 12 18:56:43 what arm tablets are you talking about? Mar 12 19:00:27 Snark: They don't tend to release in batches, I think is the confusion. Manufacturers release products when they release products... Mar 12 19:01:55 there are generally points in time where they make big announces Mar 12 19:02:28 and my question is : when is the next occasion they have to make such? Mar 12 19:07:33 Snark: You'd have to ask every manufacturer that. Mar 12 19:08:07 My calendar doesn't have a "big tablet announcement day" on it. Mar 12 19:10:38 infinity, generally CES is the big tablet announcement day ;) Mar 12 19:11:22 except it's more like a weekend. Google IO is the "we weren't ready at CES" fallback. But they do tend to announce them all at once to get one-up on each other, at CES, and then go silent (and usually don't produce) for the rest of the year. Mar 12 19:11:51 Snark, so you gotta wait until January basically Mar 12 19:12:29 the "new batch" came out already, got zero traction because the Nexus 7+10 beat the shit out of them. Mar 12 19:38:12 ok Mar 12 19:44:36 and asus, who are usually pretty vocal about their refreshes haven't done one yet, probably cause their weird lifecycle with tf201/tf300t/tf700 + n7 Mar 12 21:16:26 Hi guys, I'm building a minimal image for sabre lite Mar 12 21:17:22 everything boots correctly, but cannot make ethernet working Mar 12 21:18:18 there is no eth0, and ifup eth0 raise an error Mar 12 21:18:48 bootlog shows no signs of ethernet device?! Mar 12 21:20:46 ogra_: have you some hints? Mar 12 21:34:22 anybody here? Mar 12 21:46:26 I think I solved my problem Mar 12 21:46:47 it related to an invalid mac address in uboot Mar 12 21:47:19 bug 817315 Mar 12 21:47:21 Launchpad bug 817315 in Linaro U-Boot "eth0 doesn't get a valid MAC address on startup" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/817315 Mar 12 21:48:17 bye, thank you **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 13 02:59:58 2013