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Mar 19 07:39:38 <user__> hi
Mar 19 07:39:50 <user__> anyone here good with arm stuff
Mar 19 07:42:24 <user__> hello?
Mar 19 07:42:54 <Tm_T> user__: that is rather vague question, try ask what you actually do need instead?
Mar 19 07:47:15 <user__> hi anyone able to give me a hand with a small issue im having i got AOKP installed and am trying to install backtrack. im getting an error message saying cant find bin/bash
Mar 19 07:47:35 <user__> im sure its something simple
Mar 19 07:50:57 <user__> ?
Mar 19 10:12:40 <ppisati> ogra_: so, what was the outcome of the "omap4 desktop image" situation? i remember a last week talk in #distro, when people told you we could drop it and you said you were going to send an email
Mar 19 10:12:49 <ppisati> ogra_: isn't it?
Mar 19 10:13:26 <ogra_> still waiting for the final word
Mar 19 10:14:22 <ogra_> there was some discussion if we should just keep them as is with no support at all ... or if we should look into making them ubuntu touch images
Mar 19 10:21:19 <ppisati> ogra_: with no pvr you mean, right?
Mar 19 14:44:50 <wgpenney> Anybody have experience in setting up a sound card for nvidia-tegra3, seems to be missing the tegra codex
Mar 19 14:45:42 <wgpenney> currently running xubuntu 12.10
Mar 19 14:48:20 <ogra_> works fine on the nexus7 images
Mar 19 14:48:31 <ogra_> out of the box
Mar 19 14:50:15 <wgpenney> pavcontrol is not showing a sound card configured on my TF300T
Mar 19 14:50:40 <ogra_> so check on the alsa level make sure that works fine etc etc
Mar 19 14:53:00 <wgpenney> what's the command? how do I check the level?
Mar 19 15:06:56 <XorA> from memory on the transformer the HDMI is the first sound card
Mar 19 15:07:02 <XorA> and the analouge the second
Mar 19 15:07:11 <XorA> which is reverse from most PCs and confuses people
Mar 19 15:08:07 <XorA> aplay -l to list all soundcards
Mar 19 15:12:46 <wgpenney> Thanks, aplay -l hangs after displaying card 0: Tegra [HDA NVIDIA Tegra], device 3: HDMI 0
Mar 19 15:16:48 <XorA> wgpenney: I bet your kernel has oopsed
Mar 19 15:21:10 <wgpenney> is there a log for the kernel oops? or is this only available when debugging the kernel.
Mar 19 15:21:46 <darkfader> i think oopses can't be logged in most cases
Mar 19 15:22:01 <darkfader> you can try using netconsole, but even that might not see them
Mar 19 15:24:05 <wgpenney> Thanks for your help guys, I relay this back to the kernel developer.
Mar 19 15:58:45 <lithiumjake> does anyone know if there is a version to tcl/tk 8.6 compiled for ubuntu/arm?
Mar 19 15:59:59 <ogra_> lithiumjake, all ubuntu packages are built for arm
Mar 19 16:05:13 <hrw> ogra_: 'all'
Mar 19 16:05:27 <hrw> ogra_: chromium-browser went >22?
Mar 19 16:05:40 <ogra_> hrw, well, all that arent actually x86 specific ... like syslinux
Mar 19 16:05:56 <ogra_> nope, but there is a chromium-browser binary package
Mar 19 16:06:05 <ogra_> i didnt say they are all recent ;)
Mar 19 16:06:09 <hrw> ;)
Mar 19 16:06:24 <XorA> hehe
Mar 19 16:06:27 <ogra_> but in natty the FTBFS list was actually zero
Mar 19 16:06:40 <ogra_> which means all package have an arm equivalent in the archive
Mar 19 16:06:58 <ogra_> not necessarily matching the current source though
Mar 19 16:24:35 <infinity> ogra_: The FTBFS list in natty wasn't zero...
Mar 19 16:25:18 <ogra_> well, then it was lucid
Mar 19 16:25:27 <ogra_> we had it at zero in one release
Mar 19 16:27:04 <infinity> It's never been zero, AFAIK.  The outdates list is pared down to zero when people pay attention (which Colin and I started doing for oneiric, and hadn't been done previously for years...)
Mar 19 16:27:32 <infinity> s/oneiric/precise/ possibly.  Can't remember which sprint we noticed the world was crufty.
Mar 19 16:28:03 <ogra_> i know for sure it was zero at some point
Mar 19 16:28:22 <ogra_> with quite some effort from doko in the last days before release
Mar 19 16:28:47 <ogra_> lucid, maverick or natty ... i cant remember which
Mar 19 16:28:49 <infinity> That would be actually impossible.
Mar 19 16:28:54 <infinity> That's all I'm saying. :P
Mar 19 16:29:12 <infinity> There have always been packages in the archive that are arch:any but FTBFS on some arches.
Mar 19 16:29:28 <ogra_> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/ was empty i should say
Mar 19 16:29:35 <infinity> And given that I only knocked out some of those from ARM after I came back to the company, they clearly didn't build before that.
Mar 19 16:29:38 <ogra_> not sure if that covers 100%
Mar 19 16:29:45 <ogra_> but i always thought it did
Mar 19 16:29:57 <ogra_> we massively celebrated that in the arm team
Mar 19 16:30:04 <ogra_> thats why i remember it so well
Mar 19 16:30:18 <infinity> Hrm.  Well, then, possibly some things built but built incorrectly. :P
Mar 19 16:30:30 <ogra_> thats entirely possible
Mar 19 16:30:39 <infinity> Like, anything that needed get/setcontext before glibc 2.15 happened.
Mar 19 16:30:46 <infinity> But those should have been FTBFS.
Mar 19 16:30:50 <ogra_> it was the release where NCommander made fpc build the last minute too
Mar 19 16:31:06 <ogra_> (and i think nobody ever tested if it worked )
Mar 19 16:31:26 <ogra_> i'm pretty sure he didnt :)
Mar 19 16:32:18 <infinity> I'm still dubious of the FTBFS empty claim, given that I know a non-trivial chunk of the archive just plain couldn't build on ARM.
Mar 19 16:32:31 <infinity> Unless doko went and artificially arch-restricted a bunch of packages. :/
Mar 19 16:32:40 <infinity> Which would not only be "cheating", but wrong.
Mar 19 16:33:00 <ogra_> i dont think he did thatm no
Mar 19 16:33:02 <infinity> And I find myself wondering now if there may still be a bunch that need to be undone.
Mar 19 16:33:19 <ogra_> i always worked along the above website
Mar 19 16:33:45 <ogra_> and i know we always had a few packages on there until that one specific release
Mar 19 16:35:30 * ogra_ twiddles thumbs ... watching a repo sync of a 7G repo fight with the meta ./update script 
Mar 19 16:37:06 <ogra_> i really wouldnt mind fiddling with android stuff ... IF THE SROURCE TREES WOULDNT ALWAYS PULL GIGS OF USELESS STUFF !
Mar 19 16:37:14 <ogra_> sight
Mar 19 16:37:34 <XorA> Google makes money from network traffic :-)
Mar 19 16:38:46 <ogra_> heh
Mar 19 16:39:13 <ogra_> i should check if there are little ads between the normal network packages, eh ? :)
Mar 19 16:40:21 <XorA> that progress counter probably has sumbliminal ones
Mar 19 16:40:50 <ogra_> heh
Mar 19 16:41:55 <lithiumjake> see, that's why the tcl community rocks so hard, someone built a tcl 8.6 tclkit for arm just for kicks :)
Mar 19 16:42:34 <infinity> ?
Mar 19 16:43:19 <lithiumjake> i had asked earlier if anyone built tcl 8.6 for ubuntu-arm (ppa or whatever).
Mar 19 16:43:27 <infinity> I take it this isn't free software that ships in Debian/Ubuntu, which would mean it built on all arches? :P
Mar 19 16:43:39 <infinity> tcl8.6 is in the archive.
Mar 19 16:43:46 <ogra_> as i said above :)
Mar 19 16:43:57 <infinity> apt-get install tcl8.6
Mar 19 16:43:59 <infinity> Oddly enough.
Mar 19 16:44:24 <XorA> thats just not 1337 enough obviously ;-)
Mar 19 16:44:27 <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tcl8.6/8.6.0-1
Mar 19 16:45:28 <lithiumjake> i'm running 12.04 in chrooted environment on a chromebook
Mar 19 16:45:44 <lithiumjake> but be snide, that's cool
Mar 19 16:46:23 <infinity> It might have helped if you specified that?
Mar 19 16:46:32 <lithiumjake> E: Unable to locate package tcl8.6
Mar 19 16:46:36 <infinity> But the tcl8.6 source package probably compiles without modification on precise.
Mar 19 16:46:58 <ogra_> lithiumjake, universe is enabled ?
Mar 19 16:47:03 <infinity> ogra_: It's not in precise.
Mar 19 16:47:08 <ogra_> oh
Mar 19 16:47:12 <infinity> ogra_: tcl8.6 is brand new.
Mar 19 16:47:26 <ogra_> ah right, i only checked on my chromebook
Mar 19 16:47:27 <XorA> apt-get install -t raring tcl8.6
Mar 19 16:47:29 <lithiumjake> perhaps when my linux-foo is better, I help with things like this
Mar 19 16:47:35 <ogra_> that has never seen anything else but raring :)
Mar 19 16:47:47 <infinity> Still, the question was "does anyone know if there is a version to tcl/tk 8.6 compiled for ubuntu/arm", which was pretty non-specific about versions. :P
Mar 19 16:48:01 <ogra_> yeah
Mar 19 16:48:32 <lithiumjake> XorA, would that command be safe to try to install 8.6 on 12.04?
Mar 19 16:48:37 <infinity> XorA: That assumes raring enabled in his sources.list, which is probably not what he wants.
Mar 19 16:48:48 <lithiumjake> oic
Mar 19 16:48:50 <infinity> XorA: Not without some healthy pinning (or just upgrading wholesale)
Mar 19 16:48:54 <XorA> lithiumjake: without pinning that would be a very dangerous command
Mar 19 16:49:00 <lithiumjake> okay, thanks
Mar 19 16:49:46 <XorA> raring seems pretty stable on chromebook
Mar 19 16:50:14 <ogra_> yeah
Mar 19 16:50:16 <infinity> Well, he's running in a chroot anyway, raring may be the better option as a development platform.
Mar 19 16:50:24 <ogra_> and faster ...
Mar 19 16:50:57 <XorA> I never actually tried 12.04, I just used it as a stepping stone to raring
Mar 19 16:52:34 <infinity> I still run 12.04 on all my headless/server machines.  And will until 14.04 or later, I'm sure.
Mar 19 16:52:43 <infinity> But raring's been very friendly on my laptops.
Mar 19 16:52:48 <infinity> Can't complain.
Mar 19 16:53:23 <ogra_> yup
Mar 19 16:53:34 <ogra_> well, unity and mali dont get along so nicely here
Mar 19 16:54:07 <XorA> dont have mali working here so couldnt comment
Mar 19 16:54:35 <ogra_> funnily the ubity support test screams "DOIT" in your face with big green letters if you run it :)
Mar 19 16:54:41 <ogra_> *unity
Mar 19 16:55:09 <ogra_> but it leaves me with an empty desktop ... and i was to lazy to find out why this time
Mar 19 16:55:28 <ogra_> all other GLES/EGL and composite stuff just works fine thougt
Mar 19 16:55:31 <XorA> working video accelleration would be nice, but I can wait
Mar 19 16:55:45 <infinity> I don't have a Chromebook, so can't comment.  I'm not one of the cool kids.
Mar 19 16:56:01 <infinity> (Or, more realistically, I like my laptop(s) and don't need yet another)
Mar 19 16:56:17 <XorA> I copied *GL* and *mali* from chrome /usr/lib but obviously still missing something
Mar 19 16:56:46 <ogra_> you need to hack up the mesa stuff to not take precedence
Mar 19 16:57:12 <XorA> but if it requires armsoc that makes chromebook unusable for me
Mar 19 16:57:18 <ogra_>  /etc/ld.so.conf.d ...
Mar 19 16:57:47 <ogra_> intresting, for me it works rock solid as long as i dont switch VTs
Mar 19 16:57:58 <XorA> you need to switch VT to suspend
Mar 19 16:58:00 <ogra_> which i dont do anyway
Mar 19 16:58:16 <ogra_> ah ... i never suspend either :)
Mar 19 16:58:25 <ogra_> havent travelled with my CB yet
Mar 19 16:58:39 <XorA> works fine with fbdev, so you can switch for travel
Mar 19 16:58:43 <ogra_> and even then ... starup time is around 10sec or so
Mar 19 16:58:53 <ogra_> so i can as well shut down
Mar 19 16:59:03 <XorA> yeah boot is lightning fast
Mar 19 16:59:10 <ogra_> what i'd really like would be a more recent chromium though
Mar 19 16:59:24 <ogra_> FF is unusable on arm ...
Mar 19 16:59:42 <qengho> :(   It might not be long to get a one-off.  I think the build-bots are going to have trouble.
Mar 19 16:59:48 <ogra_> (it wasnt a few releases ago, i always wonder what happened)
Mar 19 16:59:56 <XorA> heh I used to run firefox on my Collie SL-5500
Mar 19 17:00:15 <ogra_> i used to use FF with fbdev on my ac100
Mar 19 17:00:20 <ogra_> back then it was fine
Mar 19 17:00:42 <ogra_> but the last two releases at least the rendering backme unbearably slow
Mar 19 17:00:54 <ogra_> stuttering when scrolling etc
Mar 19 17:04:04 <XorA> ogra_: odd, seems to be usable here on chromebook
Mar 19 17:04:19 <ogra_> did you compare to chromium ?
Mar 19 17:04:30 <ogra_> and did you try it on something like G+
Mar 19 17:04:38 <XorA> tried on facebook
Mar 19 17:04:45 <XorA> which is about as bad as it gets
Mar 19 17:04:51 <ogra_> seems as soon as some javascript is involved it crawls for me
Mar 19 17:04:54 <XorA> although I do have adverts disabled
Mar 19 17:05:10 <ogra_> well chromium uses mali extensively
Mar 19 17:05:27 <ogra_> and supports flash ... so i dont care about ads
Mar 19 17:08:32 <XorA> chromium certainly faster
Mar 19 17:08:53 <XorA> and I guess a far test as its non mali vs non mali
Mar 19 17:09:15 <ogra_> yeah chromium + mali just flies
Mar 19 17:09:28 <XorA> oddly enough not in ChromeOS :-(
Mar 19 17:09:35 <ogra_> heh, yeah
Mar 19 17:51:33 <user__> anyone able to give me a hand putting ubuntu on android
Mar 19 17:54:13 <Aceface> anyone able to give me a hand putting ubuntu on android
Mar 19 17:59:48 <kulve> Aceface: more specific questions may lead to better answers
Mar 19 18:00:47 <Aceface>  trying to install ubuntu on android  -  http://pastebin.com/WH1NE7fG. : error
Mar 19 18:00:48 <Aceface> http://pastebin.com/JXRZjy5r  ; script
Mar 19 18:00:48 <Aceface> anyone able to give me a hand putting ubuntu on android
Mar 19 18:00:48 <Aceface> droid razr  rom: AOKP and kernal: 3.0.8-g29cf5e7 /hudsoncm@il93xdroid54 #1
Mar 19 18:02:24 <Aceface> any ideas, im not good with scripts, im sure its something simple
Mar 19 18:03:10 <k1l_> is it backtrack? or ubuntu? and is it a ARM razr or is it the intel razr i?
Mar 19 18:04:39 <Aceface> BT arm
Mar 19 18:04:50 <k1l_> Aceface: better ask the one you got that script from
Mar 19 18:05:15 <Aceface> got it from backtrack site
Mar 19 18:06:10 <ogra_> so why dont you ask in their channel then ?
Mar 19 18:06:20 <ogra_> here hardly anyone knows something about backtrack
Mar 19 18:06:44 <Aceface> well bt is samething as ubuntu
Mar 19 18:06:58 <Aceface> its is ubuntu
Mar 19 18:07:31 <Aceface> people in BT channel are fags lol
Mar 19 18:07:44 <k1l_> Aceface: if its ubuntu why its not named ubuntu? :)  ask their support. noone here knows what they changed.
Mar 19 18:08:25 <Aceface> mkay thx anyways
Mar 19 18:30:37 <sbaugh> >people in BT channel are fags lol
Mar 19 18:30:55 <ogra_> sbaugh, watch your language please
Mar 19 18:31:36 <sbaugh> ogra_: I was just quoting
Mar 19 18:31:48 <ogra_> oh
Mar 19 18:31:53 <ogra_> sorry, i missed it above
Mar 19 18:32:05 <ogra_> so that was to Aceface then
Mar 19 18:32:15 <ogra_> sbaugh, thanks :)
Mar 20 01:12:50 <rsalveti> infinity: hey, just noticed that even after upgrating to the latest usb-creator-gtk, the upstart init file was still available at my system
Mar 20 01:12:54 <rsalveti> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/130683892/usb-creator_0.2.46_0.2.46.1.diff.gz
Mar 20 01:13:18 <rsalveti> had to purge & reinstall to make the file go away, guess because it's part of /etc the update didn't remove it by default
Mar 20 01:13:43 <rsalveti> the annoying ubuntu core installer was showing here even when inserting a usb mouse :-)
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