**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 26 02:59:58 2013 Mar 26 10:25:16 Debootstraped Ubuntu Precise hangs on boot after : Freeing init memory: 304K Mar 26 10:26:01 on Pandaboard Mar 26 10:26:04 any ideas ? Mar 26 10:49:17 did you set up a serial console ? (see the serila howto on the ubuntu wiki) Mar 26 11:02:47 infinity: ask on #efika? Mar 26 11:03:29 hrw: NekoXP seemed like the right person to ask. :P Mar 26 11:03:38 hrw: I also don't care *that* deeply. Mar 26 11:10:32 infinity: ;) Mar 26 11:11:01 infinity: I would be surprised if mainline booted and worked but no screen on smartbook Mar 26 11:11:25 hrw: I heard from elsewhere that they may still be missing some USB drivers or something. Mar 26 11:12:00 hrw: But that may not affect barebones usage. Could make installation rough, given the lack of serial. Mar 26 11:12:21 lack of user accessible serial Mar 26 11:13:08 Yes, that. Mar 26 11:13:29 I have 2.6.38 running long time ago Mar 26 11:13:51 hrw: ScottK would be very interested in that if it also works on smarttops. Mar 26 11:14:18 hrw: He was complaining about Genesi being stuck on 2.6.31, since glibc in raring requires 2.6.32. :P Mar 26 11:14:38 infinity: never played with smarttop Mar 26 11:14:55 and I gave my smartbook to friend Mar 26 11:14:59 I have a top, but not a book, I could play at some point. Mar 26 11:15:04 If you still have your tree. Mar 26 11:16:22 doubt it but will check Mar 26 11:17:09 * infinity finishes up some kernel SRU bits and decides that 5am is a lovely time to go to bed, and go backon VAC. Mar 26 11:17:14 s/backon/back on/ Mar 26 11:17:27 infinity: sweet dreams then Mar 26 11:25:57 nope - dropped tree Mar 26 12:39:57 hello everyone Mar 26 12:40:25 Can somebody help me with mounting ubuntu12.04 arm img to my nfs storage Mar 26 12:40:29 is that possible? Mar 26 12:40:56 I'm using freescale imx53 start board and wan't to boot from nfs. Mar 26 12:50:16 swex: you just need the rootfs as a directory then export it with nfs, then any guide on linux booting will work, I think you should use the server image for this though so you get some feedback by seriel Mar 26 12:51:04 swex: just dont forget the no_root_squash in your exports file Mar 26 12:51:49 XorA: I understand that Mar 26 12:52:05 XorA: main problem is file permissions of that directory Mar 26 12:53:44 is your host also ubuntu? Mar 26 12:54:47 yep Mar 26 12:56:35 swex: then I think most of the perms should line up Mar 26 12:56:54 swex: wont even need the nfs4 username mapping except for home directories Mar 26 12:58:18 * ogra_ suspects that might break in intresting ways :) Mar 26 12:58:38 12.04 images are preinstalled, they try to expand to the full size of the media they boot from Mar 26 12:58:52 (on first boot that is) Mar 26 12:59:10 so there will be a lot more involved than just dumping the content to an nfs export Mar 26 12:59:52 ogra_: even the server images? Mar 26 12:59:59 yes, all images Mar 26 13:00:14 ogra_: ah I thought server images didn't have that, my bad Mar 26 13:00:15 we switched to "normal" installs in 12.10 Mar 26 13:00:59 i would suggest taking the ubuntu-core tarball and configure that properly instead ... Mar 26 13:01:05 ogra_: you could have made your life easier if ubuntu supported LVM back in the day :-D Mar 26 13:01:26 with 12.10 it does Mar 26 13:01:34 ogra_: kindof Mar 26 13:01:37 but you also need to run through the installer Mar 26 13:01:40 XorA: <12.10 had lvm in alternative installer Mar 26 13:01:55 right, you could use netboot/netinstall Mar 26 13:02:06 that's how I installed on lumpek (my x86-64 laptop) Mar 26 13:02:16 tha gives you a normal debian-installer session and offers all possible setups Mar 26 13:02:31 hrw: just makes the task of expanding rootfs much simpler, add new partition, add it to volume group, make rootfs bigger live Mar 26 13:03:11 XorA: I got rid of lvm from my desktop few years ago Mar 26 13:03:19 12.10 graphical installer explodes really badly using LVM Mar 26 13:04:03 did you tell xnox ? Mar 26 13:04:07 (on x86/64) Mar 26 13:04:15 afaik he did some LVM installs on panda Mar 26 13:04:28 ogra_: I havent had time to repeat on a VM Mar 26 13:04:44 ogra_: although I think its a corner case as I saw it on my laptop but not my desktop Mar 26 13:05:10 ah Mar 26 13:05:17 bad corner laptops ! Mar 26 13:06:02 I needed laptop working for connect so just switched to netinstaller and that worked Mar 26 13:06:27 yeah, netinst always works Mar 26 13:06:28 =(((( lvm2 works fine on the desktop images, but good reminder for me to add automatic tests for it in the jenkins labs. Mar 26 16:37:08 does ubuntu-arm have a virtual mouse for touchscreens & legacy apps (i know its a hacky idea) Mar 26 16:53:48 doomlord, unity has some a11y options for such things using cursor keys iirc Mar 26 16:54:17 i'm tihnking more of the experience on a tablet, no cursor keys :) Mar 26 16:54:35 (eg trying to use desktop apps on a touchscreen) Mar 26 16:54:39 well, for that we have ubuntu-touch Mar 26 16:55:27 with touchscreen laptops appearing i would be equally or more interested in the reverse process.. touch-friendlifying the desktop Mar 26 16:55:35 but i get what ubuntu-touch is for Mar 26 16:56:18 things like the 3finger drag that ubuntu has are a big step in the right direction IMO Mar 26 16:57:35 well, ubuntu-touch will replace the desktop ... or rather the QML based unity touch will replace what you have today Mar 26 16:57:57 or as they call it "unity next" Mar 26 16:58:13 how far off do you think that is... i'm skeptical about touch UIs for serious work. they're great for casual use Mar 26 16:58:58 14.04 is the target for the converged desktop Mar 26 16:59:15 by then the same desktop will run on all ubuntu installs Mar 26 16:59:46 so is ubuntu arm as we see it eg on n7 just a stopgap Mar 26 17:00:21 i hope we get touchscreens which can actually sense when a finger is near, so go back to having a precise cursor.. Mar 26 17:00:41 preselection highlight Mar 26 17:01:16 i suppose a traditional gui might become like terminal is now, a developpers tool.. Mar 26 17:01:59 but i really cant see serious programs like GIMP/blender or programmers IDE's all working in some smartphone/tablet style Mar 26 17:02:51 ubuntu arm on the n7 is what got you all the nice improvements on your x86 desktop in 13.04 :) Mar 26 17:03:23 cutting the memory footprint, getting it more performant etc Mar 26 17:03:41 thats work that was done with the 14.04 convergence in mind Mar 26 17:04:05 so your desktop core (all the non UI background processes) performs well Mar 26 17:04:37 i've got an n7 but am yet to try it Mar 26 17:05:03 i had switched to fluxbox on my nexus7, but i still run 12.10 on it Mar 26 17:05:08 maybe i should update Mar 26 17:05:30 the ui/xserver don't play too nice, but it's the best home server i've ever had Mar 26 17:05:58 are there any detailed explanations on the web of this convergance plan (not the marketting videos) Mar 26 17:06:21 i'm kind of scared to hear anything about traditional ui being replaced like win8 Mar 26 17:07:42 i hear its possible to dualboot android/ubuntu-arm Mar 26 17:15:11 doomlord, visually and functionally unity wont change much on the desktop Mar 26 17:15:33 ok fair enough Mar 26 17:15:35 you will still have the "classic" unity desktop as you have today on your PC Mar 26 17:15:46 it will be interesting to see what emerges Mar 26 17:16:24 i'm still interested to see how desktop apps could be reworked for both... just making selection fieleds squarer, it seems, combining button & indicators.. Mar 26 18:00:15 If I'd like to maintain my ARM rootfs via chroot on PC, do I have to mount proc, sys and dev via --bind before chroot? Mar 26 18:04:57 you will need to mount /proc for some packages to work, yes Mar 26 18:05:12 sys and dev arent fatal if they are missing Mar 26 18:09:04 If I'd like to maintain my ARM rootfs via chroot on PC, do I have to mount proc, sys and dev via --bind before chroot? Mar 26 20:00:03 hi. I would like to run an Ubuntu ARM server inside qemu on my amd64 laptop. I wonder if there was any way to get the ubuntu-installer from http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/raring/main/installer-armhf/current/images/ started in a similar way to the installer on i386 Mar 26 20:00:30 in my experiments, I always ended up with a black screen. is there some documentation what kernel parameters I need to pass, so that I get something on the serial console? Mar 26 22:53:50 hi all. What is approximative size of Ubuntu on ARM ? Mar 26 22:59:04 hi all. What is approximative size of Ubuntu on ARM ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 27 02:59:58 2013